What if the Mongol Invasions Never Happened?

[@heloo7773]

Its honestly kinda mind blowing that if some random Mongolian kid got killed by a wolf 800yrs ago the entire world would have been completly different

[@Potatoman1578]

And I wouldnt exist lmao

[@ronjayrose9706]

History is made by individuals

[@00fgytduydrtu]

and for the better too

[@maciejniedzielski7496]

Some random British soldier spared one Austrian serving in German army during WW I

[@prajwalchilap1945]

Just like if that Austrian guy was accepted in that Art 🎨 school.!!!!!

[@gabrielsa9751]

"Malarial rice farmers ade universally bad fighters" *Vietnam and khamer screams*

[@taptiotrevizo9415]

Yes but I think that is a expectation

[@Thecognoscenti_1]

And angry Hakka noises

[@zhcultivator]

khmer*

[@maryllthemusicman1318]

@@Thecognoscenti_1 LMAOOO hakka military engagement -punti-hakka clan wars -taiping rebellion -the long march -battle of kowloon -battle of bang bo -japanese invasion of taiwan -WWII generals were disproportionately hakka

[@Thecognoscenti_1]

@@maryllthemusicman1318 Don't forget the Black Flag Army, which was practically unstoppable, and the Battle of Sihang Warehouse.

[@vianabdullah2837]

In other news: the people of Baghdad are having the time of their lives.

[@googane7755]

Quite literally

[@sirsurnamethefirstofhisnam7986]

in this timeline they actually have full lives and so do 40 million other people

[@googane7755]

@@sirsurnamethefirstofhisnam7986 Genghis was rather prolific, it's likely he easily made those numbers back by having the entirety of asia related to him.

[@garrettjohnson343]

@@googane7755 he only has 16 million descendants sooo no

[@googane7755]

@@garrettjohnson343 Those are direct male descendants ALONE. As in from father to father. The actual number is thought to be way higher than that.

[@purpledevilr7463]

5:42 “I have no idea if that would happen so I chose to ignore it” You have summed up all the problems with modern society.

[@sleepy2364]

Baghdad and the lost books of the Baghdad house of wisdom would've been spared :(

[@WhatifAltHist]

Lol, ISIS would have burned them anyway.

[@ضاد-و6ع]

@@WhatifAltHist But if Baghdad have'nt fallen or if Mongol invasions never happend history would took other way, maybe where isis does'nt exist.

[@sleepy2364]

@@WhatifAltHist Well 750 years is plenty of time for books to be copied. So even if it still ends up destroyed the damage probably wouldn't be as much. :)

[@kuroazrem5376]

@@WhatifAltHist I doupt they would have arisen in this timeline.

[@evanscarbrough9711]

@@ضاد-و6ع No no he's got a point

[@wiedstruck4474]

"Genghis unified china and it stayed unified ever since" weird warlord noises in 1936

[@ortherner]

it was worse after world war 1

[@meneither3834]

China would have probably reunified anyway. Mongols or not, as it did during the warring states era.

[@maolo76]

Khan didn't unified China. He expanded it. China was already consist of the eastern block. The Mongols incorporated Tibet through royal marriage and then Xinjiang then a wild frontier which wasn't rule by any kingdom but inhabited by various nomadic people. Even if the Mongols expansion didn't happen in China. The Manchus of the Qing dynasty ruled China from late 17th century incorporated Tibet and Xinjiang. So the fate of Tibet and Xinjiang was inevitable and sealed to be part of the Chinese territory.

[@RedAndBlackIDress]

I was gonna tell you they were split before 1936 but then realized that you are subbed to all the Hoi4 KZbinrs

[@domenstrmsek5625]

I thing yin would win and Control China

[@pedrohenriqueassis7915]

“ Highly regularized and unimaginative way of getting into the elite” oh boy I’ve never seen that!

[@cia3058]

Key word unimaginative

[@pedrohenriqueassis7915]

@JV Salaverry Ave Glória

[@danielveras150]

Ave Império irmão

[@leonardoleo5740]

Temos um irmão br aqui? Ave Império

[@pedrohenriqueassis7915]

ENEM sucks

[@alphagamer9505]

It's so weird that a war 800 years ago ended up being more deadly then ww1

[@jorixonian]

*series of wars

[@robbier6389]

There's one revolutionary change you left out - Crash Course World History loses its archetypal exception and the world of history suffers from this loss.

[@sirsurnamethefirstofhisnam7986]

definitely worth the 40 million lives lost

[@chuckdaduck7412]

16 million people after watching this: Mr. Stark I don't feel so good

[@ortherner]

ok

[@nonec384]

the other 400 milhoes peoplo how shouldnt be born :

[@antoniomariamacri7500]

The descendant of 40 million peaple:....

[@rattypie]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/eXrIdouNar6nrKM

[@vyktorehon5995]

HAHA

[@antoniomariamacri7500]

Gengis Khan was an hacker of life, and as every hacker, he ruined the game for everyone.

[@externalpp7454]

Aside from the Entirety of America till Many Generations Later.

[@sunclonkt7839]

This comment is so dumb lol. Are you redditor who get their knowledge from Reddit? No empire was good or bad all chaotic neutral and same to your highly overrated Roman empire.

[@antoniomariamacri7500]

@@sunclonkt7839I haven't get my knowledge of the Mongol Empire from reddit, but, pheraps, you should get some knowledge of joke from there.

[@craniumkracked8189]

@@antoniomariamacri7500 elite ratio 👍👌

[@sneedsfeedandseed1795]

@@craniumkracked8189 giving importance to the ratio is reddit

[@hs5312]

Actually Tamerlane was not related to ghengis khan, He even installed a puppet ruler that was related to khan. he actually Married a descendant which is why Babur is a descendant of khan.

[@meneither3834]

But without Genghis the Uzbeks would assimilate in the still rich Khorasan.

[@sinoroman]

he was some mongolic turk guy

[@wildwhale8610]

even after 2000 concubines

[@Willys-Wagon]

He was Borjigin but not a descendent of Genghis Khan, therefore not eligible to be great Khan himself.

[@amandykkarymsak4632]

@@Willys-Wagon he was from Barlas tribe

[@stormblader4319]

So basically 40 million people wouldn’t lose their lives to 5000 Mongolians Chasing after them with horses and bows and Baghdad would Still survive

[@donnymo3481]

lol 102 likes. I think Islamic terrorism won't happen and it'll be based more on science

[@stormblader4319]

@@donnymo3481 Probably lol

[@RyoKasai25]

@@donnymo3481 Tfw 9/11 would not have happened if a Mongolian warlord fell off his horse and died at a young age.

[@yonathanrakau1783]

@@donnymo3481 radicalism was always a thing in islamic world back in the ancient world so no guarantee

[@yonathanrakau1783]

@@donnymo3481 also the video said they dont know whether it can be based on science or just the same in our timeline its a wild card so anything possible

[@alivesalad4064]

As a russian, this period of time hurts me on some genetical level. Like the huge amount of culture was just erased, gone, thanks to the Mongol invasion :c

[@maryllthemusicman1318]

as a southern chinese the stupid central government is why we don't have industrialization and individual freedoms and is also why everyone is being re-assimilated to northern culture and native languages are dying out it hurts me on a genetic level too man

[@alivesalad4064]

@@maryllthemusicman1318 hurt with pride, my dude, that's what unites us all

[@amrahmed7856]

It's even worse from the Islamic perspective. The Islamic Golden Age came to a halt an never recovered.

[@maryllthemusicman1318]

@Hernando Malinche yea but they also agreed a lot of other things should die like millions of people i don't think we should really look to them for exemplary leadership and ideation

[@maryllthemusicman1318]

@Hernando Malinche again, that doesn't mean anything what i'm saying is southern (or plainly not-near-capital-region) chinese have been forced and indoctrinated to destroy their own culture because of the unified sinitic identity enforced and created by the mongol conquests whether this is being done by south or north doesn't matter, because under this unified identity, all are to be mandarin speaking elites more loyal to the capital than their own homelands

[@nitishkumarjurel241]

I think you should redo your what if Napoleon won timeline. That one is quite old and it would be interesting if you were to redo it now.

[@sandrosaladze8095]

Yes

[@meneither3834]

Up

[@robertwright4906]

Especially with epic history’s videos on napeoleons marshalls

[@words3147]

The British royal family not existing single handedly makes Napoleon winning worth it

[@moblinmajorgeneral]

@@words3147 Wait, he would've wiped out Saxe-Coburg & Gotha?

[@kuroazrem5376]

I think the Song would have modernized since they were not really Confucian but Taoist, who are more open-minded.

[@xanthman7528]

1:53 is when the ad ends

[@justanothersam5708]

A true hero

[@abdurrehmannasir5963]

You're a good person thank you.

[@RD-qo3bs]

Praise Byzantium

[@seamusduffy983]

Given the flirtation that the Northern Song dynasty had with industrialization, it could be possible that China could be the source of many technologies that are associated with the West. Food for thought

[@shinsenshogun900]

As long as China gives birth to an ideologue genius to modify or replace the Chinese ideologies responsible for hampering technological and educational developments

[@lunaps484]

a lot of trade networks attributed to early modern europe actually emerged during the Song dynasty, too. It's very likely that had Great Song properly consolidated their military and found a compromise between the emerging liberal and conservative factions within court, it might have been East Asian from where global empire had emerged

[@QWERTY-gp8fd]

@@lunaps484 to make colonial empire u first need discovery then goodships. china lacked both of them. they also dont need to colonize considering they literally had everything

[@seamusduffy983]

@@QWERTY-gp8fd I'm not really suggesting that China would be a global empire, but that it would be merely a more innovative place in this timeline, especially if the Confucians had not stifled economic development and industrialization.

[@QWERTY-gp8fd]

@@seamusduffy983 not possible tho. just look at qing. its just chinese mindset.

[@AmberCommentsThings]

I guess Genghis Khan wouldn't have been cancelled on Twitter months ago

[@wilma_balls]

he was?

[@mint8648]

why was he cancelled?

[@grandwat1290]

@@mint8648 because he committed gencoide and twitter is self ritgous

[@thedenalski4038]

@@grandwat1290 ritgous

[@seanryan9193]

@@thedenalski4038 ritgous

[@andrasbeke3012]

So, he usually has the Ottomans come out on top but this one was very ham fisted. The Seljuks were the main power in Anatolia at the time. After the Seljuks fell apart, their rump state still owned Anatolia for the most part. Then after being controlled by two dynasties of Mongol rule the Ottomans finally emerged. They didn't even show up until a hundred years after Europe was invaded and ravaged by the Mongols. ITTL, Even if we can agree that the Seljuks fall apart and the Ottomans take over, they're not in a position to launch massive invasions of Europe until at least the mid 1400s. This is assuming they can dethrone two massive, powerful empires, being the Byzantines and Seljuks. Which, for the sake of argument, I can believe. They then have to slug it out with who will be a pretty beefy target, Hungary. A little tangent here. Hungary was being reformed into a centralized state by Bela IV when the Mongols showed up. They killed half of the population, destroyed the economy and left. Then they did most of that a second time. No Mongols, Bela, a brilliant administrator, manages to recentralize Hungary, fight a small civil war with his son, and begins to expand outward. His initial goal was to build buffer states around Hungary proper. To the north, his close ally Poland. West he wanted to subjugate Styria and Austria, to the east, Wallachia and Moravia, and to the South Serbia and Bosnia. These are mostly small hill tribes he wanted to war with. He would likely have no trouble considering he brought an army of 60,000 against the Mongols, massive by itself even though like a third of his barons didn't show up. After Hungary was crushed by the Mongols, Bela dealt Austria a pretty bad Phyrric Victory. He'd likely win ITTL. Given a hundred years to prepare, the Hungarians would have almost double the population, a much more stable administration and economy, much shorter supply lines, home court advantage, and if WIAH is to be believed, a much stronger Polish ally to the North. The Ottomans bashed their heads against Hungary for a hundred and fifty years before they broke through. No way the Ottomans get anywhere near conquering Austria. The only good development that came from the Mongol invasions for Hungary is their new respect for stone fortresses that the Mongols couldn't breach, but Bela strongly supported the growth of fortified towns in his early rule, so this would naturally increase the number of stone fortifications, not to mention natural developments of Medieval warfare.

[@Ali-bu6lo]

2:28 For a map in late 1100s or 1200s, the middle eastern borders and states are wrong. 1) The last Armenian kingdom in eastern Anatolian and the Caucasus was the Bagratids who were annexed by the Byzantines in 1045. There was a Turkic beylik called Shah-Armens though. 2) Buyids were destroyed in 1062 and Khwarezmids were founded in 1077, so there is no way there could be a Khwarezimd and Buyid state on the map, Iran should either be divided between a rump Seljuk empire, Khwarezmids and Eldiguzids (aka Atabegs of Azerbaijan aka "Tabriz" on your map) if it's prior to 1194, between Khwarezmids and Eldiguzids (1194-1225) or fully under Khwarezmids. The last two are more likely.

[@AndreasEvgenikos]

Well, I understand your point about the plague, but it did have a tremendous impact on the beginning of the Ottoman Empire, as the primary reason why a small Ottoman Beybelik beat the much larger Byzantine Empire was because of the loss of decent leaders and generals due to plague

[@jacobcantrell82]

Also the Palaiologoi chronic tendency for civil wars

[@birgaripadam7112]

Also byzantine corruption and ottoman luck Seriously first couple ottoman emperors where all geniuses

[@kemalcalsr7591]

@@birgaripadam7112 thats not just luck. Ottomans had a very effective lala(tutor) system and enderun schools, all early Sultan and Shahzades were exgremely well educated as well the administrative class who took a similar enderun education

[@birgaripadam7112]

@@kemalcalsr7591 many empires have systems like that but after first 2 or 3 king/emperor they have either average or bad leaders Only ottomans have this many genius leaders one after another and also ottomans have only one sultan who was insane in its 600 years of existence and even he was not that bad compare to European ones

@@birgaripadam7112 hahahaha bs 🇹🇷💩

[@Hadar1991]

With all my respect for this channel it is another video when the author show lacks in knowledge of Central European history. What if Mongols Invasions never happened? 1. First Mongol invasion of Poland would never happened. 2. Battle of Legnica would never happened. 3. Henry II the Pious would not die in Battle of Legnica. 4. Henry II the Pious before Mongol Invasion was on path of uniting Poland and restoring the Kingdom of Poland (which was started by his father Henry I the Bearded). So almost certainty Poland would be united half of century earlier and Henry II the Pious would be crowned King of Poland. 5. Completely different branch of Piast dynasty would rule in Poland which in our timeline survived until 1675 (this branch was very fertile if we count morganatic marriages and bastards then this branch of Piast dynasty survived until 1707). 6. Silesia would never break apart of Poland because it was aboriginal land of the Henry's branch of Piast dynasty. 7. Poland would be much more western focused and Polish-Lithuanian Union probably would never happened. But uniting Poland, Bohemia, Moravia, Slovakia, Hungary and Croatia under rule of one King of Piast dynasty could be likely - in this scenario basically all Western Slavs would be united and speak common language. 8. Most of Polish kings would be named Henry (Jędrzych in Old Polish) and elective monarchy would not become a thing in Poland

[@Clee-os6pv]

For China as well? China during the Song Dynasty would have entered the industrial Age by the 1100s. One thing he got wrong in this video? Is China was no longer a true Confucius society. It was a Taoist society same with the Tang Dynasty before the Song Dynasty. Which Taoist allowed free thinking and were more open minded.

[@redshuttleredacted6422]

@@Clee-os6pv how so? hmm, if they may not develop the steam engine, what similar invention is going to take its place?

[@charliem4416]

What if Napoleon’s Egyptian campaign succeeded?

[@rattypie]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/eXrIdouNar6nrKM

[@charliem4416]

@@rattypie that’s a good alt-hist. Thanks for the link

[@rattypie]

@@charliem4416 :)

[@meneither3834]

@@charliem4416 collabo

[@agentorange2113]

Everybody gangsta till Mongolia starts claiming land on historical basis.

[@ihatetheantichrist7207]

"Look how funny i am"

[@dai_kami421]

Well, it's always nice to see this after an intense test at school, sweet.

[@mbathroom1]

No better way to start my day than with an amazing whatifalthist video. I literally get more excited for your videos than for anyone else's. Amaxing video as usual, thanks for blessing us with your knowledge.

[@robertlewis6915]

I don't know if it was intentional, but I like that Kazakhstan gets the USSR label, given that it comprised the entire USSR for four days.

[@AdamZNC]

What if the Mongol Invasions Never Happened: Genghis Khan's 16 million descendants Adios. 50 million people: Hola

[@zombiewarking]

The accomplishments of the great Khaan are truly monumental

[@oscarword775]

Monumentally terrible, but yeah.

[@jimmym3352]

@@oscarword775 I do think it gave Europe a kick in the ass though. My own personal hunch. They were spared the worst of it. He didn't mention Hungary in this video, they got hit a bit, most mostly just the farmlands (and their army which was destroyed). The fortresses did stop the Mongols. And Bohemia also found some success against the Mongols.

[@oscarword775]

@@jimmym3352 Oh, that's cool!

[@yesyesyesyes1600]

If you wanna whorship a mass murderer then yes.

[@ericjohnson7234]

ashes and ruins, yes truly monumental

[@TheBlazingMonkey]

"however i have no idea if that would happen and so i choose to ignore it." words to live by man

[@Alamgir-ri6px]

Timur was a Mongol from Barlas tribe but he wasn't a descendant of Genghis Khan. He married the direct descendant of Genghis to claim legitimacy. And took the title of Gurkani which means 'Son In Law'

[@fi3103]

Make a video on your feudal America map! (Yes, I will ask every episode from now on till it’s creation)

[@sauron7839]

*WHAT IF THE SUCCESSORS OF ALEXANDER WERE NEVER CONQUERED BY ROME?*

[@demun6065]

Wouldn't that just be "what if Alexanders empire survived longer?"?

[@jakegalvin6946]

@@demun6065 dont you mean what if Alexanders empire stayed united and survived . Sauron's scenario stays the same until the romans conquered the successor states of Alexander where the states of alexanders succesors would survive

[@demun6065]

@@jakegalvin6946 well Rome itself didn't survive until the present. So Alexanders empire just has to wait long enough for the Roman's to arrive. There's no way they'd survive until present, though.

[@pabloarellano5485]

I will do you one better Sauron “What if I had defeated Gil Galad and Elendil in that duel, survived said duel, routed the army of the last alliance, driven them back from Mordors border and retake my Middle Earth conquest” I respect you for your military might and ambition, but losing in a melee fight to 2 mortals was embarrassing

[@miguelmontenegro3520]

"What if Alex didn't party that night?"

[@adamfrary6227]

“But beware the Karakhitai! They are without honor!”

[@siffatsalvi6478]

Where are you going with that great army

[@centercannothold]

A blue wolf took as his spouse a fallow doe. They settled at the head of the Onon River. And there were born the Mongols

[@noelle036]

Your videos are genuinely incredible, please keep making this quality content

[@heisenberg240]

“Good going, GANGGIS” - Philosopher Bill Wurtz

[@Salbren_boi]

"I bet that'll last a long time"

[@ortherner]

ok redditor

[@justapotato2932]

Mongolian throat singing would still be awesome.

[@88kjk75]

The Ottoman Empire would not exist without the Mongol Conquest, since it drowe many Turkic tribes from what is modern day Turkmenistan into the collapsing Rum Sultanate, including the tribe of Osman's gradnfather. It is also highly unlikely that John Kantakouzenos would ally himself with another Turkish dynasty and grant them possessins on the Gallipoli Peninsula, wich effectivley sparked the Ottoman invasion of Europe, since A) there was no Turkish state with possessions so close to Constantinople and B) the Ottoman sultans were objectivley better military leaders than the other Turkish lords. Speaking about this, why don't you finnaly make a What If the Ottoman Empire never existed video?

[@francesconesi7666]

4:10 This one leaves me a bit confused: why would the Ottomans expand in Tyrol and Trento after talking Vienna? Both are very mountainous (with some of the highest peaks in the Alps) and offer nothing but control over passage from southern Germany to independent Lombardy and Veneto (not Ottoman Friuli, as in this period it is more accessible via Carinthia) which wouldn't benefit the Turks as it would only help furthering aggressive behavior in the neighborhood while not granting them a monopoly over trans-Alpine trade (as Swiss mountain passes would provide an alternative.). I'm not saying it would have been impossible, just there would have been no reason to pursue this. Instead I think an arrangement like that for Hungary from our timeline (north-west to the Hapsburg, south-east to the Ottomans) would be more profitable for both parties.

[@barbievideo6211]

It's highly unimaginative to use lodern borders to imagine different timelines. I'm with you

[@mug-o-tea9517]

this is a good timeline

[@dersu7417]

My high school history teacher had a saying: History is never written by "what ifs". Channels name reminded me of him.

[@to07342]

*9 year old nomad boy refuses to die from starvation World: did anyone get a bad feeling?

[@rezah5776]

It's funny how Iran was wealthy and powerful in almost any timeline but ours

[@centercannothold]

fundamentalism create a mindset that is suspicious to anything news.

[@nobois965]

We live in literally the worst timeline for everybody

[@Eagle-2210]

@@nobois965 Nahh we could have ended up in a timeline where Nazi Germany won WWII. It's fine, it's just kind of frustrating when you see a timeline where you and others are much better off, if only one person had just died as a baby or child.

[@nobois965]

@@Eagle-2210 No not really. Germany had no real chance of winning ww2

[@Eagle-2210]

@@nobois965 Yes, and I think that would have been a worse timeline for everyone. Except for Nazi Germany, but I don't know what would have happened to them if the Nazi Reich had gone down.

[@Guildelin]

Mongol invasion and tactics are so amazing me to... I remember learning about them in AoE2 as I did every civilization from in that game and I remember being super amazed they did what they did

[@Newbmann]

Now this is a remake I've been hoping for.

[@thedoruk6324]

A far much more better world! Humanity would be comparably advanced and well off and quite likely be on a more serene path

[@briaormead4239]

Her yerdesin

[@thedoruk6324]

@@briaormead4239 I have achieve a sense of depth that no other mortal human being have ever managed to my ascension is almost complete(!)

[@volactic5240]

Well yes but actually no

[@xXSCDTXx]

@@volactic5240 care to explain lol?

[@ManiacMayhem7256]

A huge overexaggeration. The Mongols advanced humanity more than hindered. Muh Baghdad is like complaining about muh Alexandria

[@aragathor]

The whole part about eastern Europe is based on either a lack of knowledge or bias. First of all, where is Hungary and Lithuania? Without the mongols the Hungarian kingdom doesn't fall, it continues to exist under Arpads. Hell, it would have been a strong contender to stop both Austrian and Ottoman inroads into the Balkans. Lithuania is in a different position, without the Mongols it is surrounded by healthy realms that won't let themselves be conquered. And Lithuanians don't have the argument of freeing them from the Mongol yoke. Second, Poland never unites with Lithuania. In fact with Henry II the Pious surviving it might take Poland less time to unite and with Silesia still attached. Then it's a question of longer development by Poland, as to the East they don't have mongol influenced Russians but rather principalities with a similar culture. For example the Galicia-Volyhnia wars between Lithuania and Poland would not happen. Third, making any claims past the 14th Century about eastern Europe stands on shaky ground, because the Mongols changed so much in the region. Without them there is no reason for a deeper conflict between Poland and Russia, there is no possibility of Lithuanian rise, there would be no Poland-Lithuania and Queen Hedwig would probably marry a Russian prince, maybe Vasiliy I of Moscow.

[@ikengaspirit3063]

Yeah, he was lazy and just copied and pasted his part about "what if Timur never existed there". And that made him Ignore the lack of Mongols influences.

[@wires-sl7gs]

A lot of good points I agree with, but I don't think Moscow would be as powerful as it was in our timeline, it only got powerful was it was because the Mongols made it the capital for where they collect their tribute from the Russians, or something like that, I don't quite remember.

[@ktoth29]

Hungary would still likely end up in a personal union with either Austria or Poland.. without Mongol invasion the nobles would have had more power and their wouldn't be any Cumans for the King to use as mercenaries

[@SevereWeatherCenter]

Awesome video! I’ve always wanted to see an alternative history video what would’ve happened had The migrations that led to the black death never happening and one of the major contributor to this was the Mongol invasion which in turn was triggered by a series of volcanic induced weather disasters. First comment

[@meanleanbean1628]

Thirst

[@definetlycringe5379]

Hahah I was first

[@definetlycringe5379]

@Long live Old Europe yep >:)

[@definetlycringe5379]

@@Cassius4 ik I was first

[@franklinkz2451]

@whatifalthist What up Fam! Hope your also enjoying the beautiful weather here in Philly!

[@willygracia9348]

Whatifalthist, or how Russia would have fared better in any timeline but this.

[@ikengaspirit3063]

What if Tang continued their expansion into Central Asia after the Battle of Talas (None of the rebellions that followed after that crippled the dynasty). What if Viking expansion took them all the way to West Africa, establishing trade routes btw West Africa and Europe through the Atlantic by 1000 AD

[@erichtomanek4739]

Now do the opposite: What if the Mongols annialated the Chinese people like they originally wanted to do? Remember they didn't since they wanted taxes.

[@googane7755]

Well northern china will basically not exist and probably gets turned into pasture land like Genghis wanted. Remember, huge parts of northern china were already heavily depopulated so it's likely we would see more nomadic tribes inhabit the area.

[@vals4207]

@@googane7755 p lol I'm l

[@samgrizzanti9841]

This is all I’ve ever wanted

[@rpmm24]

This is the definition of a butterfly effect lmao

[@juliannasreddin5226]

15:10 Ah I never get enough of these Maps.

[@Bribridude130]

3:45 Although Tamerlane was of Mongol descent, he was NOT a descent of Genghis Khan himself. Tamerlane was a Turco-Mongol born in what is present-day Uzbekistan and belonged to the Barlas tribe, a Mongol tribe that settled and mixed in with the local Turkic-speaking people in Transoxiana. However Tamerlane did marry a princess of the Chagatai Khanate (direct descendants of Genghis Khan) in order to secure his claim to recreating the Mongol Empire. Lastly, Babur, the founder of the Mughal Empire was a great-great-grandson of Tamerlane, who was a matrilineal descendant of Genghis Khan . The words Mughal or Mogul comes from the Persian "Moghul", meaning Mongol. 11:56 You finally got it right. The Mamluks were Circassian and unlike other times, you did not mistaken them for Chechen (although the Mamluks were also Georgian, Kipchak Turkic, and Abkhazian). Now do what if Islam rose to dominance? You often argue that the Islamic World stagnated and outcompeted by the West because in the 11th Century, Muslim scholars came to the conclusion that God is inherently irrational, so studying the Quran enough for understanding the world. (What if the West never rose to dominance?, What if Europe was wiped out by the Black Death?, What if Tamerlane never existed?). Because the West and Islam were at equal footing around the 11th century, do you think the Islamic World could have rivaled or outcompeted the West if 11th century scholars concluded that God is inherently rational instead?

[@perniciousseizurehellio3438]

I really wanted to see a what if islam rose to dominance vid he even said he would make a what if ghazali never existed. sucks he doesnt make alt history anymore

[@Bribridude130]

@@perniciousseizurehellio3438 He should an hour-long "What if the Islamic World never stagnated?" as a grand finale to his alternate history series. It is too bad that on a live stream, he said that he will not make alternate history anymore.

[@Woah9394]

I love how despite my country was a part of the Mongol empire,it's affect only show indirectly(was affected by other states that were affected by the mongols) but still my coubtry would of been more wealthy

[@asianlifter]

Based department.

[@lucadegregorio5189]

Can I take your order?

[@stfnknbb]

Oh what a great topic idea! I'm so psyched to listen to this!!

[@narutomaxorn]

So basically the industrial revolution would have occurred 200 years earlier at least, and it would have taken place either in China or the Baghdad.

[@himalayas1647]

Or India you should read up the Bengal subah

[@williamdaviddiazcuchimaque7511]

Entonces los chinos habrían llevado un hombre a la luna en 1800

[@famouscryp4130]

Bruh the amount of wisdom in this video is gaaaaad too good

[@Gallo4]

China not unifying and staying divided into North and South up until the modern Era is ridiculous...Multiple Dynasties (Han, Qin, Tang, early Jin) before the Later Jin and Song always sought to unify the whole of China and succeded in doing so eventually, and I think its more probable that a Dynasty that would overthrow one of these two would do so eventually.

[@yonathanrakau1783]

God, i have been wondering for this video for a long time this is impressive

[@ijon-y4549]

I think "What if the Mongols dicovered America" would be a fun scenario to explore.

[@widodoakrom3938]

The mongols is very bad at sea that's why the failed to conquest Japan and java

[@virtueleague2005]

I waited for this scenario long time!Chaos TL!

[@antoniomariamacri7500]

Please make a video focused precisely on what if the Shia Reformation succeeded or in general what if Islam never felt behind the West technologically, you mentioned it several times in several video but you never got the chance of exploring it deeply.

[@leonardoleo5740]

You know something about it?

[@antoniomariamacri7500]

@@leonardoleo5740 nope

[@perniciousseizurehellio3438]

What does he mean by shia reformation? I would like to learn more about this subject also it's a shame he doesnt do alt history videos anymore

[@Followerofchrist221]

Thanks ganghis! Entire history of the world I guess quote

[@TheRentown]

I have a recommendation. A video about Tecumseh would be interesting. Maybe a, what if Tecumseh's dream of a native confederacy came true or some such. However, you may have covered this before and I simply have not seen it. I do apologies if that is the case.

[@ksanbahlyngwa1998]

Yes please

[@fdjw88]

Mongols in the 13th century, diversity is strength!

[@lennertoss6497]

The mongols also heavily recked Bulgaria and Byzantiun i believe if it had not been for them the countries would be alot stronger and the turks wouldnt have risen to become the empire they did in our time.If the Mongols never invaded Bulgaria most likely wouldnt have lost its controll of Wallacia and Moldavia thus ensuring their complete assimilation into Bulgarian society.The biggest thing the mongols also did was completely destroy Volga Bulgaria.After the first and last defeat of Genghis khan to the bulgarian army.His heir(i believe) drove a huge army that completely destroyed the golden city of Bolgar.The volga bulgarian later got indepencedes as the khanate of kazan but had lost their language ,later becoming conquered by the russians.

[@pkb8353]

Yes! I expected that he would talk about the non-existence of Ottoman Empire. The main reason that turkics tribes moved to Anatolia was because Mongols invasions. So probably the balcans still would be Greek/Byzantinium

[@lennertoss6497]

The balkans not as most of them were slavic not greek if we exclude thesaloniki and small parts of eastern thrace.Most were slavic populated and the peloponese peninsila was majority slavic all the way up to 17th centure.The anatolian region would still be fully ,,greek"

[@hawaiianbiceps9784]

Not sure if you'll see this, but a good topic that I haven't seen much about would be, "what if Mexico won the Mexican American War." Love your content and I'd like to see your take on it!

[@BygoneChina]

When the Mongols invaded China in the 13th century, they united a fractured country, established a new efficient bureaucracy, and built the capital in Beijing. The subsequent two Chinese Dynasties (the Ming and the Qing) built upon the foundations that the Mongols had established. If the Mongols had never invaded China, then the China of today wouldn't exist.

[@kuroazrem5376]

China was doing fantastically under the Song. They were in the path to becoming a colonial superpower, but when the Mongols came and destroyed, China became an isolationist country, and it was that path that led to the Manchu invasion, and finally to the century of humiliation.

[@fdjw88]

@@kuroazrem5376 great reply, during the Song dynasty, despite the fact that the government was not in favor of businessmen, the general society was becoming more capitalistic fast. Paper currency aka cash was already widely popular during Song dynasty, and interactions with neighboring countries were often. the Chinese of Song were also very well educated, highly productive and Song was 10x wealthier than the Mongols. if Song was left unchecked, the Chinese would probably be the first to enter industrial revolution, and become the earliest colonial power in human history. in that timeline, it would probably be the Chinese who colonized the American continent.

[@kuroazrem5376]

@@fdjw88 that is correct.

[@guynumber3100]

@@fdjw88 it cant be understated how much khubilai khan radically expanded the use of paper currency and refinement. How he increased the the opportunity of credit for merchants. khubilai also built hundreds of schools and rebuilt/revived the Chinese ha-lin academy. Helped restore/build library's and books, promoted basic education and literacy for everyone including those of peasants, since before only the rich had the time and money to send their children to schools. he also help prompted the golden age of Chinese drama and raised the social status of the preforming artist' and build theater districts. Also Chinese masses found more common ground between themselves and the Mongols then those of their own court officials. Records still survive of Chinese officials, generals, merchants etc either deserting the song to live under the Mongols or help the Mongols take over a local area. each small victory solidified that haven willed the future to the Mongols. I love china and Chinese history but credit must be given where credit is due.

[@BygoneChina]

@@kuroazrem5376 Interesting perspective, although I am not sure that China became an isolationist country from the Mongol invasion onwards - for example, the Ming sent the Zhang He expeditions to explore far and wide, and the Chinese Empire saw large expansions under the Qing.

[@bedouinknight9437]

This guy and his channel make it very clear how western see the world and it’s very funny

[@pabloarellano5485]

It might be just a thought of mine but, it’s funny, that one of the greatest genocides ever (Genghis) laid the foundation that would later cause massacres similar to his, and that Stalin, Mao and Tamerlane probably wouldn’t have done their atrocities if Genghis didn’t do his own first, the bloodiest chain reaction in human existence. A depressing and tragic thing to think about really

[@CmdrDingus]

Conquered subjects cant revolt if they're all dead

[@nicholasvanlierde2546]

Central Asians regularly raised massive armies to conquer surrounding countries. Huns, Bulgars, Mongols, Turks, Tamerlane, it happened all the time

[@Alpha_blossom]

I wish this was a 3 hour long documentary

[@JasmineJu]

I just realized Coruscant could be related to Khorasan.

[@MentatBasharTeg]

I love your videos man. You always leave me thinking.

[@michaelkemnerlin7834]

I think the world needs reparations from the Mongol empire.

[@Clee-os6pv]

One thing wrong in this video? During the Song Dynasty and before it the Tang Dynasty it wasn't a ture Confucius society anymore. It was more of a Taoist society who were more open minded. So China during the Song Dynasty would have entered the Industrial Age by the 1100s. If it wasn't for the Mongol invasion.

[@john-xiong-2820]

I agree! China's? Industrialization would have occurred in the 1100s. Had it not been for the Mongol invasion.

[@scorpionfiresome3834]

What if the Teutonic Order won at Grunwald?

[@Yessir822]

Eastern Slavic people (Russians, Ukrainians, and Belarusians) would be more unified too since the greatest dividing factor was the dissolution of the idea of a Kieven Rus, which would probably make a unified Russia even more stable and prosperous

[@krzysztofstolarczyk7773]

I see a pattern - in all alternative histories Russia is cool democratic state xd

[@ortherner]

lol

[@bevbevan6189]

It is the only society founded by Scandinavians that didn't end up democratic.

[@Poctyk]

​@@bevbevan6189 "The bloody mire of Mongolian slavery, not the rude glory of the Norman epoch, forms the cradle of Muscovy, and modern day Russia is but a metamorphosis of Muscovy" P.S. Why do people even say that Rus was founded by Scandinavians?

[@bevbevan6189]

@@Poctyk Because the Byzantine sources at the time say that?

[@krzysztofstolarczyk7773]

@@bevbevan6189 although it's founded by scandinavians - it's not a society what they founded. They founded a state. Society existed long before.

[@ortherner]

I was literally thinking about this yesterday!

[@todeswalzer1184]

Lithuania grew strong by raiding weakened Rus cities. In this universe it just wouldn't exist as a political formation. The land would be probably conquered by Germanic Knight orders and won't expand on the Rus territory. So Poland wouldn't have personal union with anybody, wouldn't be that strong and would stay within it's 13th century borders. Now what it COULD have been that Novgorod without any eastern threat would have become a dominant baltic trade power, so Sweden would never be this powerful or instead of Russia it would conquer Denmark.

[@ikengaspirit3063]

I think instead Poland would form a Union with Hungary who wanted to expand into the Steppe also.

[@miinyoo]

It's always interesting how convenience is one of the most powerful motivating factors of human endeavors on large scales. Humans are very good at finding ways to be relatively comfortable with the least amount of work possible. But then again, nature is exactly that.

[@TNS10000]

When based departament is closed:

[@リアプロ]

please reopen

[@GrimaceColoredSquid]

PLEASE OPEN IT.

[@gustavovdal1994]

@whatifalthist please do a video on what if Scandinavia united in the 19th century, during the pan-Scandinavian period.

[@gyver8448]

What if Cromwell chose his younger son Henry instead of his older son Richard to succeed him and the UK continued on as a Republic?

[@moritamikamikara3879]

If Cromwell chooses one of his sons to succeed him, it'd remain a monarchy. It'd call itself a "ComMoNwEaLtH" but if the realm passes from father to son hereditarily, it's a monarchy. Really you'd be asking what if the Cromwell dynasty continued.

[@kuroazrem5376]

Several things I think would happen in this timeline: 1. Islam does reform itself, either in Baghdad or in the Khwarezmian Empire; most likely in the second since most of the scientific and philosophical prodigees up until that point moved there. Also, Iran was the only place after the XVI Century to mantain a vibrant intellectual tradition, as evidenced by the fact that they witnessed the birth of another major philosophical school, the School of Isfahan. 2. China would have started the industrial revolution, probably in the XIV Century, and it would have reached Khwarezem first, and from there expand into India, Iraq, Egypt, the Maghreb, and then Europe. This would have made non-European powers more capable on protecting themselves from the European hegemony. 3. Europe would have taken longer to develop, since gunpowder weapons would have reached them waaay after everybody else (most importantly here, later than the Ottomans).

[@Emir_969]

Will Iran become Shia.

[@ericvulgate]

there'd be 20 billion people on earth and almost none of them would be named 'khan'

[@thematthew761]

Khan wasn’t his last name , it was a title.

[@giw_jones]

You know there used to be quite the distinction between the northern and southern Han, it was a pretty strong one too, enough to eventually split them. The distinction was as far a linguistic, Mandarin and Cantonese are the two big parts of that.

[@vtet]

They probably wouldn't call themselves a simple "North China" and "South China", they'd probably both have very different names, maybe the north named China and the south something new, or they both go for a new name.

[@sadiqahmed4143]

They wouldn't even be divided They would reunite later on under a new dynasty or Song or jin it's the Chinese history pattern

[@evangamer5752]

Love this channel it has some great content

[@bevbevan6189]

Last time I was this early there wasn't a giant pile of skulls in the town square.

[@danieljarlskov3549]

But Wich townsquare do you mean? The One in Baghdad or The One in (insert big chinese city)?

[@lordavy7469]

Yet another good Whatifalthist video

[@maddoxlacy9072]

I think you missed that the byzantines got kinda ----ed by them as well, as if i recall correctly they were on one of their upward trends before the mongols swacked them down again.