What if the Vikings Stayed In America?

[@AlternateHistoryHub]

So because I like the topic so much, if this video actually is successful I'll continue the scenario in a second part.

[@burhan446]

AlternateHistoryHub hi

[@CloroxBleach-nb8gs]

AlternateHistoryHub sweet

[@petrino]

thank you for taking my request!

[@foxboi4935]

Do want if Japan was a super power

[@youngk6016]

AlternateHistoryHub please do that would be lit

[@SirAroace]

You failed to touch on some of the biggest changes; namely that the Native American would have have contact with western tech, beasts, and plague much sooner, giving them time to adapt before the rest of Europe arrived.

[@leirbag1595]

Damn, imagine something as simple as horses. That alone would be the equivalent of a revolution!

[@jackson7962]

Time to die of the plague you mean lol

[@theempiredidnothingwrong3227]

Or that all happens just alot sooner then it actually did. Especially if the Pope decides they need to be Christianinized as he did in the case of the baltics. In which case you may get tuetons riding up through the Americas. In which case they bring the very plagues that nearly destroyed native culture with them and basically do the same thing.

[@floridaball4896]

That means nothing if the Vikings do what they do and murder every native they encounter

[@RebeckadV]

@@jackson7962 Considering how fast the plague kills, I wouldn't be surprised if it never managed to reach the colonies to begin with. The journey across the atlantic is already an extremely tough one with those levels of tech and would be made impossible by half the crew unable to steer the ship.

[@liammccarthy8618]

Vikings definitely settled and intermingled with the cultures they conquered; Ireland is a strong example. The town of Waterford was a Viking trade outpost, which has since become a major city, in great part due to the Viking trade network. The Vikings often intermarried, and primarily were traders and sailors, though they were very effective raiders. It was likely the early conflicts in Vinland were due to a complete inability to communicate; language that was so different it was impossible to translate.

[@gurururuwarararara8164]

Yeah, old Norse and old "skraeling" would probably be like trying to understand Klingon or Huttese

[@acestillwell98]

It's also worth noting we're not even 100% on them fighting. We knew they didn't get along perfectly, but why and what happened is still debated. Some of the things I've heard is; The Viking settlers (actually mostly Greenlanders if I'm not mistaken) were not allowed to trade weapons with the natives. The ruling monarch that controlled the settlers (I forget who and what country) banned weapon trades with locals. So when the natives saw swords, shields, and axes, they wanted them but couldn't have them. Another reason I heard was the native's of the Vinland area never seen an animal like the large bull the settlers brought, and when the natives were inside the settlement to trade, they accidentally spooked it and in turn, spooked them. Another story that I find fairly funny is that the natives were not used to dairy, so when the Vikings traded them cheese, the natives had issues digesting it and thought they had been posiened, or at least given bad food. It doesn't seem like the natives out-right hated the settlers or vice versa, but I don't know if they would've intermingled as much as they did before, or just might take them longer to get used to it.

[@Evzone1821]

If the Vikings stayed in America; we would probably nationally celebrate Leif Erickson Day instead of “Columbus Day.”

[@EveMizgala]

Hinga dinga durgen!

[@Evzone1821]

pyro beast Still deserves to be a holiday though! :3

[@AndyDkF]

Dahkittydoonsta lol

[@Marylandbrony]

It's the same day thou. Also Hinga,Dinga,Durgen!

[@TheCaptainSplatter]

Can we please get rid of Columbus Day and get this instead? I want to wear viking helmets and shit, be dope.

[@puglosipher1666]

I've read that Eric the Red and his viking companions traded with the Naitives, and in that trade they gave them some of their Scandinavian milk. But the Naitives were lactos intolerant and thought that the vikings had tried to poisen them, so they attacked the vikings, making them retreat to Greenland. They visited the island some times later though, but just to gather wood, not to settle.

[@DaDunge]

Not just some times, until the abandonment of the greenland colony in the early 16th century that means that when columbus discovered america the greenland norse were still visiting the continent regularly.

[@DChatc]

Apparently the Dorset where allies with them.

[@ibbi30]

The last written records from Greenland are from 1408. Whether this is "long before Columbus" at 1492 is a matter of perspective. The timing of the ultimate loss of the settlement is not known though (the 1408 record was a random marriage).

[@DarDarBinks1986]

You're thinking of Leif Ericsson. Eric the Red was his father. And there's no reason why the Norse and Beothuk couldn't have traded peacefully. Each had commodities that the other needed and wanted. The reintroduction of horses and the adoption of ironworking would be a game-changer for the Beothuk because they could now go about conquering other tribes that had no iron or horses. Maybe one or more Amerindians could join Norse crews on raids in Europe. For all we know, that could have ultimately led to Harald Hardraada conquering England instead of William of Normandy doing it.

[@Rimuru_Tempest_-]

Sounds like you're salty, Social Justice Warrior.

[@et3747]

Now do “What if Australia Won The Great Emu War?”

[@rebelbeammasterx8472]

Then Australia's main export wouldn't be salt.

[@Ultracreeper0621]

et 37 The scenario should at least be semi realistic.

[@ethangray2295]

Just don't bring that up

[@myohmy9000]

Too unrealistic. You can only do so much with three soldiers. Also Emus were masters of Guerrilla Warfare tactics and had way more resources

[@MC-kh8vs]

Then they would enslave them and force them to make cans of fosters

[@MyUsernameIsAlsoBort]

The entire Americas populated with Scandinavians... that means a hell of a lot more Scandinavian women in the world. Sign me up. Edit: Wow, I think this is my first comment to hit 1K. Guess a lot of people agree lol.

[@visethreachsothy6952]

Me too

[@DarDarBinks1986]

Not quite. Remember, Cody said the Norse didn't have the numbers that post-1492 Europe had. If anything, the Americas would be more indigenous, with a white minority a la South Africa. You'd still have Nordic mestizos, but they'd culturally and religiously be more Beothuk, Innu-Aimun, Naskapi, Cree, Abenaki, etc. than European.

[@fumarc4501]

Wartler Scandinavian and First Nation... hawt.

[@StrayingCat]

Social Justice Warrior What? Scandinavians have on average an iq higher than that of the British...

[@Quincius]

@@angrysocialjusticewarrior Low IQ? Okay Norwegian Public Education is among the best in Europe, Scandinavian Nations, or the Nordics in general are known for their extreme happiness ranking, and the Nordic nations have mostly above average economies.

[@Mark-xh8md]

Also, why Sweden? Denmark and Norway are more natural choices there, because we face the Atlantic, while Sweden faces the Baltic, and has always been more focused in that direction.

[@samuelskogqvist5565]

This video is inaccurate

[@samuelskogqvist5565]

Phrenomythic did a better video of the subject. You should watch that instead

[@fairhair5423]

it was the western Norwegian Vikings who discovered Iceland,greenland & America. Not the Danes or Rus. Only the Norwegians. So using the title “the Vikings“ as if they were one group is wrong.

[@samuelskogqvist5565]

@@fairhair5423 Yeah and the ones who discovered Vinland were christian aswell, though he probably put that title since its simpliflied.

[@newstartyt3700]

well the swedes were mentioned because of the fact that they did have colonial ambitions in rl

[@madcat789]

I smell a novel. I want to write this novel.

[@HDTomo]

I would love to write this

[@justarandompersonontheinte334]

Same

[@confused4971]

If you guys start some sort of document to actually begin writing, send the link here, i want to see

[@justarandompersonontheinte334]

@@confused4971 I guess I'll try and create some Vinland thing

[@madcat789]

@@confused4971 Well I started writing something but it didn't turn out to be this.

[@werewolffamguy8597]

Was anyone else looking at the negative space in that map for the first half of the video?

[@UIGRES45]

Werewolf 8492 yeees. I am so used to the water being the brighter color on a map thay it's just confusing for a while. A map men video cand be made on this topic. :)

[@Frajmando]

what negative space?

[@werewolffamguy8597]

Frajmando I mistakenly thought that the land in the map was the water & vice versa

[@AbramsRael]

Literally just sitting there thinking what land mass is this? Because it's not NA

[@BonaparteBardithion]

I wasn't before, but now I'm having trouble unseeing it.

[@a.square8658]

What if the Vikings Stayed In America? Answer: It would be awesome!

[@matthewhollier]

Answer: Some of them actually did

[@urieluriel715]

A. Square, I sincerely doubt creating more mud huts and pillaging natives would have been awesome. Vikings would have done the natives over worse than the Western Europeans did them.

[@urieluriel715]

Carmicha3l, Vikings would have wiped out the entire native population and took the rest as slaves, just as they did to places they raided in Europe. Vikings even took the first black slaves from Africa. Time for you to re-learn history. Aside from weaponry and boat building, your precious Vikings were primitives.

[@guycross493]

@@urieluriel715 By then, slaves already existed through the Arab slave trade. It just meant more nations jumped ships for free(almost) labor

[@BALLARDTWIN]

@@urieluriel715 if that was the case there would have been no Anglo saxons or french left within england and northern france Or Irish in ireland They mixed within all these regions Norse + saxons= distant cousins both germanic Norse + French= Normandy Norse + Irish= Gall Goidell Norse + andalusian arabs=cheese makers (lol arabs kicked the shit out of norse vikings) But you get my point they integrated within the lands they conquered forming new cultures

[@extatixz]

Canadian vikings? *Raids a small town, leaves a note saying “Sorry about that eh, hope yee have a great day” Don’t worry I’m Canadian calm down

[@merrittanimation7721]

Evan Burns Random Native *At least they're apologizing *

[@MrJ-rw2hb]

Evan Burns I was about to swear at you until I saw the last bit Of course I would say sorry afterwards...

[@sherk3286]

Mr J YA BEAVER FUCKS HURRDURR

[@extatixz]

Mr J no prob that’s why I put the last part😂

[@hellothere507]

2017 National champs stop

[@chenoaholdstock3507]

I would play a game about this

[@fumarc4501]

Same!

[@majoroof2797]

Eu4

[@potatoketchup5674]

Can't wait for the next Hearts of Iron 4 mod.

[@cosmicjohn174]

Yea like fully modern where paganism is the main world religion with odin and thor shit everywhere.

[@kpax620_4]

What if the earth was inverted (water is land and land is water) :)

[@davetopper]

Welcome to the age of Atlantis. People are fish that never bothered to leave the sea. It's a thought.

[@ethangray8527]

Then there would be a lot more land then water.

[@xXLiLJokerXx]

Instead of thriving of water ppl would drink rocks

[@ethangray8527]

No, they wouldn't. People would still drink water. There would just be a lot more landmass, and a lost less water.

[@ethangray8527]

+Nelson Fallout Good idea, but why are you responding to Kpax? Shouldn't you ask AlternateHistoryHub?

[@xxjoeyladxx]

What if England & Scotland never unified in 1707?

[@chadkingoffuckmountain970]

Then it wouldn't be called the UK. Just, uh, Britain. And Scotland.

[@chadkingoffuckmountain970]

Ronzesker well I'm not that big into English history, so I apologize for that.

[@Meirstein]

They shared a monarch since 1606, so they would still be incredibly close allies, even if they weren't the same country.

[@malnutritionboy]

Christian Quiles just England idiot

[@jayasuryangoral-maanyan3901]

Scotland was bankrupt, so england basically doeswhat britain did, but they didn't lose the money given to scotland to pay the debts

[@Rezkeshdadesh]

Let's play a game called Viking Englishman Indian. It's like paper rock scissors. Vikings beat the English, English beat the Indians, Indians beat the Vikings.

[@joe29295mama]

Yes, indians with rock weapons would totally beat anyone in europe with steel, real fighting tactics, and basic civilization. -_-

[@DarDarBinks1986]

joe29295mama Pre-Columbian Indians didn't have only Neolithic technology. There were metalworking civilizations in the Americas. They just lacked IRON. At best, they had Bronze Age technology.

[@nelsonnicholson6175]

"Indians"

[@angrysocialjusticewarrior]

Shut up, you are a potato... you're literally the least tasteful vegetable in the world. If you were at at least a sweet potato, then your opinion would have mattered.

[@viysnjor4811]

it's just a historical game mate, the native americans beat the vikings because they were outnumbered hundreds to 1 and were having trouble setting up the colony

[@cathalhughes5996]

Columbus is really the jar jar of History

[@gregorymacdonnell7914]

LOL!!! Jar Jar, thats friggin great man!!!!

[@ioannispolemarkhos7364]

Christopher Columbus was a great explorer who helped civilize the heathen tribes who liked to murder, oppress, and eat each other. Truly, all the natives should thank the Spanish for introducing true religion, hospitals, schools, and civilization, in general. If Columbus didn't come, the "advanced" natives of America would've gone the way of the Anasazi, the Moche, and the Easter Islanders; they all murdered and ate each other, leaving only ruins.

[@joshuachamberlain1485]

Ioannis Polemarkhos you do realize that Christopher Columbus went around randomly killing natives becuase they had no gold riht?

[@ioannispolemarkhos7364]

And because they were lazy, since they never had to work hard enough to make an actual civilization that could earn the respect of the Spaniards, who had been fighting Muslims for 700 years. Do you think they'll tolerate any resistance from anyone who couldn't even get up early in the morning?

[@ioannispolemarkhos7364]

Aztecs performed ritualized war against the people they conquered and used them to be sacrificed to their gods or else they believed the sun would not rise again, and when the Spaniards came and told one of these tribes who resented the Aztec that they don't have to die for the gods because the God of the Spaniards already died for them, guess who will the oppressed natives side with? Going back to Columbus- he wasn't even the one who discovered the Mainland- it was Amerigo Vespucci; now, I guess, we have to rename "America" into "I'm-A-Fucking-Victim-Land"

[@kevinrendon8397]

It's Leif Erikson day, hinga dinga durgen

[@AndyDkF]

Godzilla's Wrath hey pat it's Leif erkison day

[@jivejunior8753]

I like this take on the scenario, but there's one very important element you left out: disease. Would the near wipeout of the Native American population be so bad in this scenario, since the Vikings are not actively claiming more land? Could the natives recover their populations before the Age Of Colonization occurred, presenting a much stronger resistance to them?

[@Ttegegg]

I mean yea. Europe eventually rebounded after all. And with likely eventually mixing with the Viking with the advance markets. I mean maybe not all of America. But certainly enough for them to not all die from a cough

[@hairyballs089]

native american's might get bouts of the black plague and smallpox at the same time the europeans were getting introduced to them, so maybe the populations wouldn't get absolutely decimated by disease.

[@Kmlcvlk999]

European disases fatality rate on the natives is %90 percent. But they will recover sometime around 1300.

[@Darkmaiki]

You are missing a very imortant factor. How did Hernan Cortes conquered Mexico, a country with +1M people with just 1400soldiers? Gunpowder was not very important. It was because he allied himself with many local tribes that were under the rule of the aztecs. Similar thing could happen up in the North. Eventually they just substitute thr local ruling tribes, thanks they are just a little less cruel than local tribes (remember that aztecs liked to do human sacrifices and to eat the hearts of the beaten enemies, they even didnt conquer a region close to their capital on purpose, so they could raid said region for fun and trainning)

[@redwallzyl]

Not really. The area that they were in had no great empires to lop the head off of and take over. Mostly it was various arctic and sub arctic tribes who due to climate were mobile hunter gatherers. That strategy might have worked better on a Mississippian chiefdom but that's much farther south. You cant just take over tribes like you can state societies.

[@mconnors1733]

There weren't a ton of native people on Newfoundland. Increased European contact would have meant even fewer (disease) . If there had been 300 Norse instead of three dozen, and their settlement had lasted a few generations...

[@mlee-w664]

I think if this were to happen, Native populations would be introduced to European diseases much earlier. So by the time the age of colonialism came around natives would have already experienced European diseases and acquired immunity. Populations would have had hundreds of years to rebound and there's a good chance that large native populations would still exist throughout the continent today.

[@TheRezro]

It doesn't work that way. Also contrary to popular believes this huge pandemic was caused by native disease, and Europeans simply have a medicine. Only smaller epidemics were caused by Europeans and generally they also were a victims.

[@mlee-w664]

TheRezro How doesn't it? Also you should check your sources about the disease thing because that is just not true. It defiantly wasn't Native Diseases that killed the Natives since its a known fact that precolonial America was relativly disease free. It was documented what killed them, it was Europeans who unknowingly introduced the bubonic plague, the Flu, Cholera, the common cold, measles, chickenpox ,typhoid, TB, typhus, and the most deadly of them all smallpox all at the same time.

[@TheRezro]

@Mleew "Also you should check your sources about the disease thing because that is just not true." First of check yourself the sources, because it is exact the opposite as you just repeat common myth like that Columbus discovered America, what he didn't. "since its a known fact that precolonial America was relativly disease free" And that conclusion come from what sources? Because as far I recall there is no historical sources before arrival of Europeans so that conclusion is simply from nowhere. You mistake fact that "number or arrest decrees" with the "crime rate decrees" when as well first can be result of corruption because the opposite to second. ""it was Europeans who unknowingly introduced the bubonic plague, the Flu, Cholera, the common cold, measles, chickenpox ,typhoid, TB, typhus, and the most deadly of them all smallpox all at the same time. First of.. Europeans also die on those disease, and people claiming that we are immune are idiots. Immunity in most cases kill the wirus preventing it from spreading. Secondary.. well.. in fact smallpox was used as form of biological weapon so not always unknowingly, but simple fact is that according to real research it kill 8 mln people in Central Mexico. And most other diseases far less. And Flu and common cold generally don't kill, except rare strains what also hit Europeans. But now the thing.. a pandemic what decimate over 14-17 milion of people in Central Mexico was.. Cocolizatli. It is extremely dangerous native American disease what was in fact main reason for most of the deaths in whole America. The irony is that it target specific genes of Indian, so Europeans were largely immune and so incorrectly presume own responsibility, until proper resorach proved the opposite. But yes.. it is always easier to blame white people.

[@gorillaguerillaDK]

+TheRezro The pandemics that killed millions of natives was brought to the Americas by Europeans! I don't know what crazy source that gave you the idea that it was already existing diseases - but my guess is that it's from someone who is trying hard to make revisionist history in an attempt to paint a narrative leaving Europeans "guilt free".....

[@flax9999lp]

Somewhat unknowingly i guess. Ive heard that some blankets and clothing intentionally taken from people with leprosy were handed out to the natives.

[@everetth-top4760]

Love those little viking characters. They need to be on a t-shirt!

[@MrOrangehorseman]

+Nelson Fallout clips y mas Why exactly is this a reply instead of a standalone comment?

[@cerysllosgau698]

bar bar

[@octaviusv]

The impacts on indigenous peoples weren't discussed, but let's see what there is. First: Horses! They would inspire cultures on the Great Plains to take to nomadism far, far sooner than they did in our timeline. In our timeline, the transition to nomadism helped lead to the collapse of the Mississippian trade networks and power structures. They would decentralize North America even more from a landscape perspective, but might lead to more tight-knit polities generally. How the Iroquois, Ojibwa, or Powhatan peoples would deal with this is a huge question. Horses would also alter the balance of power in Central America, but it what direction we will never know. We also don't know how this might impact the West Coast, which was somewhat isolated by the mountains from what was happening to the east. Would horses make their way over there? How would that disrupt the densely-populated, highly fragmented politics of the West? Second: Food! Along with the introduction of pack animals - horses, donkeys, and cows - comes new food in the form of chickens, pigs, dairy, and wheat. Not all cultures in Eurasia took up milk-eating, but the introduction of such a wide range of new food sources could lead to an agricultural revolution among the peoples who practiced agriculture. Third: Disease! Not only would there still be disease transfer from the Old to the New world, but the new populations and relative isolation would make opportunities for new diseases and mutations that would go back to Eurasia, something that didn't happen in our timeline. It would also give North Americans a chance to recover from the apocalypse that was European colonization, positioning them to something more akin to Africans during the Age of Colonialism. Not that colonization wouldn't happen at all, but the vast disruption of social structures that facilitated colonization just wouldn't have occurred. Fourth: Technology! If the Scraelings and Norse conducted some trade, there's a chance that knowledge of ironworking would eventually pass out of the Norse and into the local people. North Americans had limited knowledge of metalworking, as the metals they could work weren't useful for tool-making so it wasn't important to obtain that knowledge. Iron didn't proceed throughout Eurasia quickly, but if a people group in the Northeast took advantage of the innovation it could at least spread through the East, potentially influencing the Ojibwa, Siouan, Innu, and Iroquoian peoples.

[@jman-nl4st]

Do "What if Alexander the Great survived into old age?"

[@cobraglatiator]

probably more land would've been conquered,and it would've taken longer to fall apart,pretty sure ghengis khan lived into old age,so think the mongol hordes/empire.

[@chrisgaming9567]

Alexander was the one thing holding his empire together, so if he lives longer so does his empire, but I doubt he would've conquered more stuff.

[@Kunumbah1]

Had he survived into old age there would probably 5 years of peace, and then after he would push back into Africa with a new fresh army and attack the fledgeling Carthaginian empire. Maybe he would’ve also attacked Rome through some dispute?

[@francogiobbimontesanti3826]

jman2035 He would go west and definitely be defeated by The Romans. In the early days of Rome they trained to fight hoplights which was basically what Alexander’s army was made of, plus Carthage and Rome would ally

[@mondaysinsanity8193]

Franco Giobbi eh no Alexander's army towards the end was a Persian style army there was hoplites but also lots of other unit types from all over his empire honestly Alexander vs rome would be a close fight but I think Alexander would when simply because people would rather live under Alexander than rome so rome would lose their auxiliary and colonies and such

[@MagnusSkiptonLLC]

What if America had never been inhabited by Native Americans (i.e. the Bering Strait was never crossed for whatever reason)?

[@markauditor7873]

Skippy the Magnificent Cool, free land

[@donotcare57656]

Then the Scandinavian Colony probably would have actually been successful, and North and South America would likely have become Europe 2.0 for the most part.

[@MagnusSkiptonLLC]

Did he? I wanna see.

[@gekkenhuisje]

@busi magen I'm sorry, could you clarify what you mean when you say we wouldn't have horses? There were never any horses in the Americas as far as I know. If there had been, they wouldn't have migrated to Asia, and even if they did migrate to Asia, then there still would have been some horses in America.

[@RageTyrannosaurus]

John Meyer Horses migrated to the Old World from the New World shortly before becoming extinct in the New World. No land bridge means no horses, nor many other animals, migrating across the continents. On the upside, some of the unique fauna might still be present without humans to aid in their extinction.

[@OrealLove]

first I have to say that I love your series of “what if” theories 😍! But I was wondering if you could do an episode about the Tsar of Russia And what the world would be like if his family was never murdered.

[@TheBespectacledN00b]

2:53 "The Vikings never intermingled with them local population" is just wrong. They interbred with the English at least.

[@arawn1061]

And Russia, and the Irish, and everywhere else they went

[@timothymclean]

A few quick points: 1. In our timeline, Vinland was essentially a colony of a colony. It had plenty of big trees, which Greenland lacked. Of course, if Vinland actually grew popular, it could easily eclipse the Greenland colony...but that doesn't change how it would have to struggle on Greenland's support until Vinland fever caught on. 2. Greenland is called that because its fjords (the places most people lived) _were_ green with grassy meadows and whatnot. 3. Given the independence of the Greenland colony, I'd be surprised if any mainland Scandinavian power had much influence over Vinland. Granted, part of that was because nobody cared about Greenland, especially once access to elephant ivory reduced the value of walrus ivory, but part of that was because Greenland was just ridiculously far away from anywhere. Vinland would be more valuable and worth caring about, but also even farther away. I can see Scandinavian powers _trying_ to exert control over Vinland, but I doubt they'd see great success. The colonial governors would probably have far, far more sway in Vinland than proclamations from one king or another. 4. I don't know much about the circumstances around the formation and dissolution of the Kalmar Union, the union of the Scandinavian kingdoms from around 1400 to sometime in the 16th century, but since this is a scenario which has the potential to bring more power to Scandinavia, it might be worth looking into. An alt-history where Denmark claims more power, forms the Kalmar Union, and can keep it stable would be much different than one where the Union can never be brought into existence.

[@Didyouknowthatiexist]

'A few' 'quick'

[@roleplayer7887]

What if Italy stayed neutral during World War 2?

[@vinyziks323]

wouldn't make a difference, Italy was totally useless and made nothing. but of course it would have been easier to win the war as everyone could focus on Germany

[@Unknownunknown-ue2kl]

@Carmicha3l oil they could invade Italy instead of Russia

[@kaiserwilhelmii1827]

@Carmicha3l Germany was allied with italy but Hitler actually hated Italy and it's people. He thought southern europeans were lazy. Now I still don't think Germany would have invaded Italy but I just had to nitpick a little. Other than that I pretty much agree with what you said

[@Orrma]

What if Italy stayed neutral? The absence of an "Italian Front," and maybe even the absence of a "North African Campaign."

[@jacksonreed9408]

Carmicha3l this might be the stupidest thing I have ever read

[@newnewfew]

Vinland belongs to the Nords.

[@tobiassanders3831]

My ancestors are smiling on me, Scraeling, can you say the same?

[@mobilecyclop7329]

Ye!

[@Fronverjl]

Vínland belongs to me yes!

[@jacksonhumen85]

@yo yo yo have a nice day you're awesome aww thx man woooosh.

[@jacksonhumen85]

@yo yo yo have a nice day you're awesome aww thx man Because he was making a Skyrim joke.

[@trenchcoatwoman8383]

You seem to have forgotten the fact that if the Vikings stayed then the native Americans would’ve contracted their diseases meaning that we could see the Viking begin to vastly outnumber the natives but that’s just a theory a alternative history theory

[@wright534]

Yeah, the vulnerability of Native Americans to European diseases is a biggie. With a sustained Vinland colony, even intermittent contact would lead to epidemics decimating the locals, sadly.

[@DarDarBinks1986]

You forget that this is 1,000 years ago we're talking about. That extra 500 years would give the Skraelings more time to build immunity, adapt, and recover.

[@wright534]

True. And you would eventually have a substantially mixed-race population as well; even if the initial settlers kept to themselves, later generations on both sides would be more pragmatic. But the decimation would still happen.

[@cesyneighistaut3451]

wright534 - True, but it would have happened much sooner. Before gunpowder and deep sea boats. This gives the natives a much bigger chance to revive then in our timeline.

[@AEB1066]

The Norse who reached Vineland came from Greenland via Iceland - an neither of those islands had a large enough population to sustain endemic diseases. Thus the Vikings had none of the diseases that later devastated the Native Americans. This lack of immunity among the small population of Iceland lead to pandemics amongst the population when visited by ships from Western Europe right up to the 18 century.

[@ArnarJin]

What if Russia never sold Alaska?

[@DarDarBinks1986]

Russia would have sold Alaska to SOMEONE at some point. If not to the U.S., then to Britain (via Canada). Or they might just leave it to the native tribes and let them do what they want with the place.

[@ranelgallardo7031]

Alaskans would be speaking Russian and voting for Putin.

[@redblaze8700]

What we know as The Cuban Missile Crisis would in this timeline be known as The Alaska Missile Crisis.

[@redzeckez3346]

probably in the civil war White Russians escape in Alaska and build up defence with Canada/USA against Red russians and the bering sea will be a Cold war zone.

[@chasinthesunset8801]

@@redzeckez3346 that's a great idea. Alternative Russian national state, with fully preserved russian culture, which is not under the communist regime.

[@craigmartinj]

I think Columbus would exist in this alternate time line and instead of landing and finding natives he'd land and find people who looked, talked, and acted like the Swedish chef from the muppet show.

[@Pepination]

I like the fact that the Vikings in this video do not have horns in the helmet, historically accurate!

[@TheRezro]

Yes, they in fact do use accurate designs.

[@otti2582]

I dislike the fact that the Vikings in this video appear to be wearing some manner of plate armour, especially those tassets, historically inaccurate!

[@mccreeper03]

I agree. Our interpretations of vikings need to calm down. They weren't tyranns over the sea. More like explorers in the Nordic Seas

[@Pepination]

Universe but I mean they did pillage villages and often committing mass murder

[@mccreeper03]

Yeah but they weren't something extraordinary. They were like any plunders

[@fallout1953]

Suggestion: "What if the south(reds) won the finnish civil war?"

[@pedromiziara3419]

we would have one more shit eastern european country...

[@sonarbuge7958]

Nothing because no one even knows what that is so it probably had no impact on anything

[@pedromiziara3419]

Feminazi Frequency it could also have been annexad into the soviet union, which means that today they would have a russian minority causing ethnic conflicts in the country, and russia would interfere more on it internal politics.

[@unfadingbus]

No one would watch that.

[@FulmenTheFinn]

Russia would've annexed Finland and it would've been a communist shithole for 70+ years or whenever the USSR would've collapsed in this alternate history (remember that Finland had a profound impact on the first 3-4 years of WW2 in Europe). Post-Soviet Finland would be poor compared to Western Europe, just like the post-communist states of Eastern Europe in OTL, and would have an enormous Russian minority (probably 30-40% like in Estonia and Latvia) and would lag decades behind in economic growth and development of every kind due to the wholesale slaughter of the Finnish intelligentsia that would've happened had Finland fallen under communist rule.

[@catbaril9072]

It directly impacts the part of the world I live in, so that's very fascinating to imagine.

[@why9430]

I need to know what the artwork at 6:43 is... it is amazing

[@gullf1sk]

no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brudeferd_i_Hardanger

[@why9430]

no wonder its a famous piece, it looks stunning

[@gullf1sk]

yeah its very beautiful This is the place that inspired it: www.google.no/search?q=geirangerfjord&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwipvueOyrHXAhVPIlAKHXiHAKsQ_AUICigB&biw=1920&bih=949

[@BassFlapper]

I thought it was just me that was impressed by that, it was so lifelike.

[@FreddomFighter99]

nice

[@99batran]

Half of Canada would be Nordic

[@treymendoza5194]

99batran Skyrim is for the Nords!!!

[@TheCaptainSplatter]

Instead of French.

[@99batran]

correct.

[@maximeperez-raymond3346]

@Ferdinand von Aegir IKEA empire.

[@metalheadcomicbookfan797]

If half of Canada is Nordic. Norwegian or Danish would be more widely spoken. We would have more Scandinavian women and have more Viking metal bands. I see that as a win.

[@notnapoleon22]

The Legends of Tomorrow show had this going on when The Vikings took over America.

[@StalkerQtya]

A lore video about the World of Kaiserreich? :D Kaiserreich is one of the best alternate history scenarios ever made. I think it's a bit of shame, you didn't covered it up already.

[@BTG_Redd]

Hell yes dude. He did southern victory, now he should do Kaiserreich. It would be amazing! But he should really do the world where ISIS won WW1

[@BassFlapper]

Impressive video as always. I would be very interested in part two. It's not exactly connected to this topic but an interesting fact on Norse movement to the Americas is the 19th century West Emigration; where over 15.000 Icelanders (20% at the time) moved to the West, never to return. You can actually see some remnants of Icelandic culture in the west with towns such as Gimli in Canada and other cultural ties.

[@BilboBaggMan]

Columbus wasn't an idiot. And he didn't think it was pear shaped. He thought there was a petrusion near the top (which was a very popular idea)

[@skot547]

Suggestion: "What if the Palmyrene Empire and the Gallic Empire survived?"

[@5C2WMedia]

You should do What if Canada revolted And America remained loyal?

[@TheCaptainSplatter]

I like that.

[@gekkenhuisje]

That's actually a really interesting idea.

[@two-face1041]

prod. sasquatch ohhhh do this one

[@cobraglatiator]

slightly less racist,and slightly more polite america, only more north?

[@chrisgaming9567]

If America stayed loyal, Canada would be crushed. I hate to say it, but that's what would happen.

[@klauslandlicht9896]

What if the North Sea Empire/ Anglo-Scandinavian Empire never ended?

[@arawn1061]

Good luck

[@EmbeMamaChannel]

Few Things I would like to say about the video 1 The Vikings might actually make a comeback and survive in this timeline. The Natives are Polytheistic, and they have a safe heaven for there Pagan Viking culture that the Christian Kingdoms in Europe Don't know about 2 The New world has Exotic Berries and foods, so if the Vikings could sell those foods for money in Europe, That means the Vikings can get so much equipment to keep any colony alive. 3 Vikings in America also affects Viking colonies in Iceland and Greenland. If the Vikings stay in Vinland, and it remains a stable colony, Iceland and Greenland would actually grow in this timeline. Iceland grows due to it's green weather, and also for Vikings to start colonizing, but urbanization booms in Iceland by new coming Vikings. 4 As for Greenland, there's something Cody got wrong in the video. The era in history was the Medieval warm period, and the Greenland colony actually had a good amount of settlers. All they would have to do is stick near the coast, and they would be fine, it would be warm enough to survive. Meaning people can go from Greenland back to Vinland easily. The colony in Greenland ended because of two things, one the Little ice age that started a bit later, but most importantly Inuit colonizers went south and warfare occurred between both of them. But if they get more people from both advances in technology, and being a hub to vinland, the Inuits can't drive the Vikings out of Greenland, and Greenland can be further colonized by the Vikings. 5 One thing I really need to point out was that Vinlands resources would have been REALLY an advantage to the Vikings. I can't express it enough. And wanna know what it is? *BEAVER BOIIIIII* The Native americans have been living here for thousands of years, and the wildlife in the Americas would have really helped the vikings. 6 For example as I was saying the beaver. If the Vikings could hunt the beaver with their already good weapons, and Native american hunters, they could kill a lot of beavers, and get a lot of warm beaver fur. And umm you know what that would be good for *A COLONY IN GREENLAND* Beaver furs would make any bad condition in any colony more than bearable. Not to mention all the firewood they could use for fires. They could also sell things like Moose antlers, and Bear skin. 7 This also affects the Native americans in such a huge way. One thing Cody failed to do in this 7 minute video was state how the Viking technology would have impacted the Natives heavily. Guess what the Vikings had? *METALWORKING* A Iron tipped Bow and arrow will go faster, farther, and do more damage than a flint tipped one. A Iron tipped spear will do more damage and have better range than a flint one, Iron shield would be a good defense, and Iron or chainmail armor even a better idea, and why not add a small metal dagger or sword while we're at it? The Local Native tribe they forge friendly relations with means that when trading, the Natives have superior technology now compared to the rest of the Two American continents. This means two things. 8 Number 1 Natives when hunting food or encountering a bear or pack of wolves, they can not only hunt more effectively and faster, but have less risk. Leading to a population boom, and without worry of Animals like Bears and Wolves because of their new technology means that the land they've hunted can be colonized by the Tribe. And number 2, The New tribe in contact with the Vikings now have the ability to defeat any tribe it wants in warfare. All this weaponry and armor means the Natives now have a drive to expand. And they have the power to do that. With Ships, Viking Ships, they can also fish way more effectively, and more importantly can navigate river systems, and the best of all, travel across the shores. It would be way more efficient by sailing than trekking with one's feet. So if some guy decides to sail a boat, and gets lost, I don't know, he might end up in the Aztec empire, or Amazon Rainforest the next month. And Speaking of which, you know what Europe has? *HOOOOOOOOOOOOORRRRRRRRRRRRRRSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSS BOIIIIi* 9 Vikings with their Ships can transport Animals, and the most important of which is Horses. Now if the Local tribe who encounter the Vikings can trade horses, and breed them, this tribe, is now the Most powerful In the Americas. Combining the horses mobility with the technology the Tribe now has, and you get a extremely powerful tribe. I want to imagine a Bull plowing fields in Vinland, until it charges and escapes. That Bull now becomes the most powerful animal in the ecosystem. Same with any animal that comes to Vinland. If it escapes, or is bred for decades that a few escape and they meet each other and breed, those animals can then join the ecosystem, and disrupt the tens of thousands years of circle of life. Also Kinda want to see a Part series on this, Like What happens After? How does this Affect America, England, France, Spain, and the world with these Vikings. Do the Natives near the sphere of influence of Vinland have immunity to disease?

[@Guerreiro_da_Luz]

Hardly they could sell food. During the voyage they would rot. What they could sell was mainly wood and furs

[@buckloski9522]

Greenlandia Vikings never died, the same way Germanic tribes never died, they just slowly developed into organized Kingdoms due to the need of centralization in order to avoid being conquered by a bigger Kingdom. Also, they still would have been Christianity due to the fact that Norway and Denmark are still connected to Europe, if the mother country converts then most likely the colony would convert. If the Norway and Denmark doesn't convert, then I guess the Teutonic Order has a second place to go to. Mercantilism doesn't exist during the age of the Vikings yet, even if the Berries had some value only the rich could afford them as luxury goods, in this time period the majority of the population definitely wouldn't have been spending their money on berries. If only the rich good afford them (assuming they wanted them) then the wouldn't be as making much money as you think, some merchants selling these berries could have become rich, but certainly not enough money to push the Kingdoms of Norway and Sweden any farther ahead of any other European trade power (I.E. Venice, Byzantium)

[@gorillaguerillaDK]

If you follow the lineage from the Vikings, who seized Normandy and became influential all over Europe! Some even argue that the way they settled their differences with weapons in hand played a major role throughout medieval age and it was their lust of concurring new land, instead of always just divide the land they already owned between sons, that eventually lead to the Crusades! It's actually quite interesting to see how lineages go back to the Normans and back to the Vikings! Vikings were after new land, but they didn't mind assimilating - so that's basically what happened to the Vikings! They spread all over Europe and eventually assimilated into other cultures - and others stayed at home and spend the rest of the time fighting eachother.... Today, we try to settle our differences over a game of soccer or handball - but there's actually traditions we keep alive - and don't forget how we influenced language as well, today it's Thor's day and tomorrow it's Freya's day!

[@atlerthedark3639]

According to the Sagas, which are the main source of information about Vinland, the Vikings were already Christian when they got there.

[@mamaelas]

It's interesting what you say because if there would be a good amount of rare or luxurious resources likely to trade from Vinland trough the merchant routs of vikings to Arabia or Persia, the benefits surely would make the northen of Europe richer and perhaps the renacense may had change from Italy to the Baltic sea. If the skil road, with it's risks and long distances, was profitable, a rout for comerce in the north, then trough Rusia, would be possible.

[@foxtrotkof]

Hey Cody! Great topic. I've always found the idea of Vikings staying in Vinland to be an interesting and romanticized one. I have another idea for a video What if the Indus River Valley Civilization never disappeared?

[@seanhartnett79]

+alternate history hub Make a part two! You promised. Please respond to my comment!

[@malahammer]

Looks like begging is a waste :)

[@fumarc4501]

I’d love a part 2!

[@michaelpothoven1041]

The thing is, with almost 500 years to spread out, the Scandinavians would have a lot of time to multiply and spread out. Along with European diseases wiping out 90% of the native population as in our timeline, I think that already by 1500 there would be a massive empire along the eastern seaboard with high population, much like the British 13 colonies. This would snowball into a massive advantage for whichever Scandinavian country managed to get a hold of it. Scandinavia would probably unite like England and Scotland did because of this, and the new Nordic Empire would likely industrialize first. Already in our timeline, 17th century Sweden was a powerhouse, needing Russia, Poland, and Prussia to gang up on it to be defeated. With these massive resources, Nordic Empire would be the dominant power on the continent. We might very well all be speaking Norwegian or Swedish today, instead of English. Leif Errickson would be the dominant figure of history.

[@christiandauz3742]

Plus the Black Death didn't exist back then. Being infected with multiple new diseases is not good Also, more interbreeding would help the Indian population grow more Icelanders have Indian DNA in them

[@michaelpothoven1041]

ExtraRareTrumpSteak True, but that would give at least a couple of centuries to spread out and establish themselves demographically.

[@michaelpothoven1041]

Christian Dauz The assumption here was that the Nordics would not have integrated with the natives, a somewhat reasonable assumption given the vast differences. I highly doubt that Icelanders have any native American blood, since Iceland was uninhabited at the time of colonization, a thousand miles from native American populations, and almost exclusively settled by Norwegian and Danish settlers with Celtic slaves.

[@yarpen26]

You guys seriously overestimate the intracontinental communication in pre-colonial America. 80% of tribes there had little to no contact with any outside groups. Couple that with the fact that the impact of the post-Columbine pandemics has been _grossly_ overblown for political purposes (things were _much_ worse in Australia, for instance) or even the recent findings that much of the disease were actually native to the Americas and their subsequent spread all over the continent was only facilitated rather than directly caused by the European arrival and you get a pretty revisionist picture of history.

[@soujiroyoshizawa6655]

>european diseases Again, no, the diseases came from seals in the northwest of North America, not from Europeans. The "European disease" meme was created to account for all the dying "natives" (actually Asiatic, but that's beside the point), and it just so happened that the diseases started wiping the natives around the same time that the Whites showed up. Remember, kids: Correlation is not causation.

[@kahnfamily9467]

Can you please do a video on would if France won the seven years war? It would be very interesting because the Britain gained many benefits that were crucial to world history. They gained Canada, and an even bigger foothold in the American colonies. Plus they forced the French out of India. I think the course of world history would be changed if Britain lost this war.

[@shayanahsan3245]

It would be france seperating pakistan and india Edit: and many other things would of happened as well

[@MrMirville]

There were Vikings that stayed in America and some Québécois claim of their descendance : it is hard to tell as most French Canadians were actually the same Normans, but from the coasts of Normandy, and some had kept some contact with that region of Canada for reasons of fishing. The navigation path had never been abandoned due to the demand for cod.

[@rogerp.4375]

What if America had continued to push into space after the 60s?

[@metajarra]

Everything would be the same, but on Mars

[@MrGrownman455]

Well you would be commanding your own star ship in another galaxy if that happen. lol

[@RayB1656]

They did somehow ! Space around the Earth and the Moon... they do not have the technology and the propulsion yet, to accomplish such missions further in space ...it takes time, even the first man on the moon, in 1969, they used the Saturn V rocket, which was really the German A5 rocket, at the end of the WWII ...

[@viktorbrndsted9912]

Could you please do a video on what would've happened if Scandinavia had kept the Norse faith?

[@emiljohansson2698]

The christians would've embargod the scandinavian kingdoms and probably launched crusades against them as well, as in eastern europe.

[@acediadekay3793]

They did : The Norwegian Crusade lasted from 1107 to 1111. But the real campaigns started in 1147 with the Wendish Crusade ( North Eastern Germany). The Swedish Crusades from 1150 to 1293. The two Danish crusades in 1191 and in 1202 respectively. The Campaign against the Livonians (1198-1212). The Campaign against the Latgallians and Selonians (1208-1224). The Campaign against the Estonians (1208-1224). The Wars against Saaremaa (1206-61). The Wars against the Curonians and Semigallians (1201-90) Edit: But these was organized by christianized Norway, Denmark and Sweden against other slavic and norse believers

[@xxthecapitalistxx]

Suggestion: "What if thomas edison's energy plant's were the prefered option to nicola tesla ones?"

[@Darkdragon902.]

What if the Zimmerman note reached Mexico and they launched an invasion of the USA?

[@georgelloydgonzalez]

We were not in position of launching an invasion anywhere, honestly. We had been fighting our own Revolutionary War since 1910, and the Zimmerman Telegram happened in 1917

[@adam_clown]

Lots of variables could factor in on this. America may have been late to come into WW1 but they gave a huge morale boost to the worn out Allies in the Western Front when troops started pouring into Europe. Without them out of the picture, Germany might have exploited this to create a better deal in their favor, post war rather than dealing with the Treaty of Versailles which would eventually lead to the rise of Nazi Germany and WW2. Soo idk man.

[@codekillerz5392]

George Doty-Williams This channel isn’t about, “Is this possible?” It’s about, “How can we make this work?”

[@codekillerz5392]

The Shitposter People can have similar thoughts

[@Darkdragon902.]

The Shitposter Sure. Because I totally looked through every single comment before posting mine.

[@nimrod6911]

What if youtube was great again?

[@slave7022]

Captain NumNum we would need to rid of all the right wings bitching all the time.

[@CristeroFanatic]

SLAVE 702 Enjoy unwanted Liberal biased being shoved down your throat by Feminists in KZbin HQ while they are still being lazy to make things better for all KZbin creators.

[@slave7022]

Knight of the Realm not that much of a threat, you can't even watch a video about Sweden,Germany, Immigration or Islam without having an army of then in the comment section of them bitching.

[@CristeroFanatic]

SLAVE 702 I was talking about Europe, not America dude :P But yes, there have been attacks, one that was definitely a terrorist attack, others were nutjobs that shouldnt have been possessed with guns in the first place. Because of those attacks sparks up conversation for gun control that has been on the minds of pretty much put everyone in worry whether if they are gonna be safe and worried about gun reforms being made to take away guns from law-abiding citizens. (Keep note that it was a law-abiding citizen that stopped the Texas shooter) Personally, I think the issue here is mental health and having the system of checking a person's stability on whether or not, he or she is stable-minded enough to own a firearm (Which they have already) MORE routinely so we can avoid things like this from happening again. People may not agree with me on this but hey, everyone has a perspective on things :P

[@slave7022]

Knight of the Realm you can't just pick and choose what places you want to include, murica has also taken in refugees, the countries that get terrorist attacks are mostly always involved in destabilising the countries from which they originate, most of the refuges come from Syria, Iraq, Lybia, Afghanistan, Yemen, etc.Those countries were not fleeing in the until the west intervened in mentioned countries thus causing terror attacks, why do you think countries like Mexico, Venezuela, Iceland don't get any? Well they don't have a reason to do it.

[@randonceccoli8428]

Im such a huge (and new) fan ! Not my favorite but entertaining nonetheless - youre such a creative and bright man (or team?) Either way THANK YOU so much these videos are very very entertaining and them being SO informative is a bonus!

[@anthonymartino7179]

We’d all have cool beards and hats and be the dopiest nation ever

[@cesyneighistaut3451]

Upcoming Playmaker - Wasted opportunity..

[@gorillaguerillaDK]

It's not to late - embrace the Nordic Model - healthcare, education, higher minimum wage, stronger labour unions, 37-40 hour work weeks, 6 weeks paid vacation - not to mention funny hats, great beer and a sick sense of humor! Just make a KZbin search for Klaphat and Nazitübbies - the beer you have to travel to Denmark to get....

[@buckloski9522]

GorillaGuerilla Sounds like Communism!

[@99batran]

What if Emperor Majorian succeeded in rebuilding the Western Roman Empire?

[@unscgrasshopper9413]

Except Columbus didn’t think the world was shaped like a pare

[@yarbitmot]

What if the native americans were more technologically advanced than the europeans ?

[@noahparks9686]

nigguh they would have found Europe first

[@oneofmanyparadoxfans5447]

Somebody's played CKII.

[@DeadMarine1980]

Impossible. Everyone knows native Americans are lazy.

[@TheCaptainSplatter]

This, they would not bother.

[@isaacvergeldedios5295]

It wouldn't matter, unless the had vaccines, disease would have screwed them over, just like it di in our timeline

[@SebastianBooe]

*gets* *hit* *by* *bowling* *ball* Friend-you ok? Me-VINLAND!!

[@the-dank-gatsby3413]

That's an incredibly clever yet stupid comment at the same time

[@SebastianBooe]

Berserk Content I got the jokes

[@adumpster9006]

Explain?

[@adumpster9006]

I don't get the joke,

[@SebastianBooe]

abadloser It's from SpongeBob

[@daednu1197]

What if Italy captured the Suez Canal?

[@mikelisbrown550]

I actually disagree. A hybrid culture is likely. As Cody states, the most integral part of Vinland's early colonial development would be having amicable relations with natives. Many tribes of the north east and eastern Canada participated in betrothals of their women to allied tribes. To refuse the offer was often considered a great insult. What would probably happen is that many viking MEN would arrive first, and the natives seeing this would trade for European technology by trading to the vikings, blankets, fruits and game from further south or inland, and women. This could very well lead to a Norse culture slowly morphing in a syncretic culture the more people of mixed race began proliferating through the colony. Also since the concept of racial superiority really wasn't a thing with vikings, we can assume that a bunch of sexually deprived male vikings would have no qualms in taking native brides, or at least bearing children with them. I think a people like the Metís of Canada would eventually develop, where mixed people start proliferating with other mixed people, further blending the culture of the two people. Because Neither vikings or natives of that region were very big on missionary work, their religions would probably stick to their own ethnic groups for the most part. However, as I stated with the intermixing, having a mother and father of differing faiths could lead to an interesting and new religion altogether.

[@gorillaguerillaDK]

Very good analysis! And if we look at the usual behavior of Vikings, they did show great willingness to assimilate into other cultures! If I recall correctly I even think that one of the sagas, or stories around the sagas mentioned something about Vikings taking a native as a wife, (volunterly or not).. 😉 And I think there's DNA evidence at Iceland supporting this!

[@phosfer7853]

The nations we forget were actually viking in origin, sicily and normandy, we've forgotten because they assimilated so well. I disagree with this video as well.

[@MyJunior09]

Actually what you said is very unlikely, such a small population being integrated would mean their culture dying totally. It is like Sparta being integrated by Romans, their culture being totally obliterated, remaining only buildings... Actually it would be even worse. And the kids would in their majority take the religion of their fathers, nordic paganism was not that cool with different religions, and after three generations of breeding with natives approximately, the viking phenotype would be already long gone, so they would be basically natives. A conflict with them it would be way more likely, vikings were not chilling fellas, and neither were the natives.

[@phosfer7853]

Except this is a unique situation as the Scandinavians had useful knowledge and resources to exchange. Domestic animals, fruits & crops, and the knowledge of blacksmithing. All these things would have revolutionised pre-Columbus America - like it did when we came later. I suspect this would have given the Scandinavian culture and people a higher status in this hybrid society as they would have been a great boon to the skraelings.

[@phosfer7853]

Your example of Sparta is bogus because they practically wiped themselves out by being too conservative, and unpragmatic. They would not allow outsiders into their society, and when the Romans eventually came they were the size of a village and easily subdued.

[@tendiesman4637]

Go Scandinavia! Go Scandinavia! No one... ok...

[@gorillaguerillaDK]

I'm game! Go Scandinavia, go Scandinavia, GO!

[@assassin3003]

Go Vikings!

[@wekillallpunkrockheroes]

If only vinland survived...

[@joestrummer4106]

Please do another one of these love ur videos dude

[@Zenas521]

I like the viking theme quite a bit even if I am not a viking by birth. But before I forget to request at some future time. What if William the bastard never became William the conqueror? As in, on the way to England in 1066 AD his fleet sank in a tempest, no survivors. Now that I typed it out, I am thinking you might have done that one already. Maybe, What if the Round heads decided not to muck around with Ireland any more (once they gained control of England) and recalled all English personnel from Ireland? Like Obama did with Iraq. Oh, Oh, Oh, Another cool idea, What If Carl Marx died before he met with Friedrich Engels?

[@12345Granada]

no 100 years war

[@tireachan6178]

I really like all those ideas. You sir are an ideas guy

[@RayB1656]

William the Conqueror fleet didn't perished at sea ! He was delayed until the end of September..he had the intention to reach England in the summer, before Harald Hardrada ...

[@Zenas521]

@@RayB1656 Do you know what a request happens to be? Do you know what this channel happens to be?

[@philippinesball5058]

What if the Mongols successfully invaded Japan?

[@1994CPK]

Californium Roblox Channel What if Mongolians became feminazis

[@TheCaptainSplatter]

Damn Mongels attacked Pearl Harbor.

[@JYT256]

and didn't die in a tornado

[@RageTyrannosaurus]

1994CPK Then the female equivalent of Genghis Khan would have been the terror of the world, and the Mongol armies would have had a higher percentage of females in their composition.

[@1994CPK]

the horror, the horror.........................

[@sawyerzimmerman262]

@alternatehistoryhub you are so cool! I've watched a lot of your videos and I've been a fan for a while. I am a fan of alternate history because of you! Thank you so much dr expanding my knowledge!

[@S3rp3nte]

What if Brazil in the past was able to become a superpower just like the USA?

[@anthonythefirst9451]

S3rp3nte - You guys are already a great country. Trust me, becoming a super power is the last thing Brazil needs.

[@purpleapple4052]

To engasgando de rir agora

[@S3rp3nte]

+AnthonyTheFirst I'm actually Italian, not Brazilian.

[@anthonythefirst9451]

S3rp3nte - Oh sorry.

[@vinndolyn5976]

Impossible

[@ashesuponashes6090]

WHAT IF VESUVIUS NEVER ERUPTED AND INSTEAD YELLOWSTONE DID. Btw what I mean is what if Yellowstone erupted during the time that Vesuvius did instead of Vesuvius

[@elik9226]

Then the vikings would be the biggest colonial power in north america. The eruption of yellowstone would devastate native populations in the americas and leave it easy prey for them.

[@SmartassX1]

That would be a major global disaster. It would darken the entire worlds sky for several years, causing an ice-age. An ice-age back then would have meant extinction for humans in all cooler areas (outside of Africa, south Amarica and such).

[@michaelpothoven1041]

So instead of Pompeii being destroyed, the entire Roman Empire, all Native American civilizations, all European peoples, and Eurasian steppe-dwellers all die?

[@ashesuponashes6090]

Michael Pothoven no, North America would be Ashlands

[@daednu1197]

Suggestion: what if World War One never happened?

[@subliminalmindfuck454]

The Gaming Master ad victorium brother!

[@______608]

Communism as we know it wouldn't be there, therefore you wouldn't

[@DotALotTroller]

Praneet Liŋəmʌllu something was bound to happen in Russia. Communism may have still been around

[@MatijaCG]

AlternateHistoryHub , Could you make video ,, What if Persians won the Battle at Salamina " ( Persians VS Greeks ) .

[@ellingsindre2485]

Well if you look at just finland and sweden, it looks like the whole set :P

[@testme92]

Matija Grozdanić No, Stop

[@blakebell8466]

I think he has done a video about that, called "What if Persia conquered Greece?" Basically, Greece becomes part of the Persian Empire, and then the empire collapses at about the same time it would have anyway shortly thereafter, because it was already in decline.

[@imortalones]

I like this idea as well. My opinion is that maybe that would effect Americas acceptance towards Persian people although really it would probably just be more war: like more Crusades.

[@dragonborn5495]

Love Viking do more about them 😀

[@TheRezro]

By that you referee Scandinavians as a whole or Scandinavian pirates specifically?

[@piccikikku1015]

Now do "what if Genoa said yes to Colombus"

[@masonweiner3246]

What if the Viking Age never ended, and technology continued to progress. Vikings raid, raided build better forts, Vikings make better equipment from stolen items to counteract it, so on and so forth.

[@TheRezro]

Exactly. Vikings weren't defeated. They were assimilated. At one point Scandinavian countries become equal player in European politic and didn't have reason to allow pirates to do what they want anymore, because it start hurt they interests.

[@gorillaguerillaDK]

+TheRezro It was more like they did assimilate - Vikings spread around in Europe and assimilated! Normans continued the lineage and continued to seize power around in Europe! Vikings who settled in Ireland, Scotland and England also assimilated, the same thing goes for the Baltic coast areas etc....

[@TheRezro]

@GorillaGuerilla Yes, both.. generally they did that in the North and West Europe, but in this same time they were themselves highly influenced by Frankish culture and Christianity. Though Ireland, Scotland and Walls are Celts.. only England (Anglo-Saxons) and Normans (I remind that England own North France for a while, so that was more a civil war then invasion) have Germanic origin.

[@me5969]

well i know in Britain at least they stopped rading because they turned to Christianity instead of the Norse gods and married Anglo women (hence the high red hair hate in the UK, apparantley red heads spring up more across Viking trade routes but some of that will be the Celts as well). So given the dominance of that religion and the fact the Vikings wernt "connected" so to speak, it's likely Rome (or anyone) would have just united everyone like the crusades and got them anyway. Plus the Anglo Saxon war lords actually already started to do that under St.Georges cross and they did actually holt the Viking invasion, which is actually how England united. So it's likely they would have either all turned to Christianity at some point anyway just like the barbarians before them or been defeated by a united army just out of sheer lack of organisation more than anything.. In my opinion.

[@MyJunior09]

Not really, Scandinavia never had the numbers to conquer the entire France, Italy or Germany

[@sj2621]

They did, aka Minnesota

[@ambitiousamerikaner9861]

Internet commenter *Profesional internet commenter* "ironically" both places are being flooded with sudanese and somalis

[@forgottencreation]

Thunder Squatch - *Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm* I'd wager the Hebrews were involved somehow...

[@bruhicusmomentus3060]

Minnesota and Success are words that do not go together.

[@tylerkjar2927]

Ehh?

[@superillusiveman1445]

Minnesota (specifically the twin cities and surrounding area) has the largest concentration of somalis in the country. And people wonder why we call it "Murderapolis".

[@LS-oq3qh]

So, we would have had Pocahontas interacting with the norsemen or their descendants? I am kinda excited. It's a romance love story between a viking and a native american.

[@saveggg7141]

the trade map of vikings in 0:41 is not correct because it does not occupies territories of ilmen slovens, chud ves and vyatichies and also has territory of latvia and estonia which were not part of viking trade route

[@willofthewings5258]

What if the Incan or Aztec Empires weren't conquered?

[@nopespray3724]

Child sacrifices would be normalized as a cultural thing.

[@ANG3LM1301]

@@nopespray3724 they would eventually stop doing that like in the early 1800s

[@RayB1656]

This is not possible.... the Spaniards had '' modern weapons '' and horses ! Also, the powerful Empire of the Aztec, their ''Golden days'' were already gone !

[@BoyInBlue94]

The beginning already killed me 😂 good one and skol vikes 😁💜

[@thatguy3421]

What if the William the Conquerer lost the Battle of Hastings?

[@arawn1061]

That Guy what if Hårdråde won Stamford bridge?

[@ike9854]

WELL, TRY TO COLONIZE A CONTINENT WITH 150 PERSONS AND SEE HOW IT GOES!!!!!

[@DeutschesSoldat1916]

Damn, I remember watching this video in school when we learned about the Vikings.

[@thedarkknight6799]

I’m proud of my Viking ancestors for kicking ass

[@ggdude3605]

I got a video idea for you. What if New Amsterdam won agenst the British

[@RayB1656]

New Amsterdam ( New York ) had no means to face the British...they had no real support from the European continent ... it was just a question of time...

[@colonialismandimperialism8249]

I really like this scenario! Great video :)

[@davidkerrigan4389]

VIKINGS!!!!!!!!! I don’t know why I love the subject so much! I also don’t know why I left roblo... I mean big boy games to watch this

[@baconous689]

don't worry I play too

[@seanhartnett79]

The Vikings settled Greenland and Canadian. So the Vikings discovered America. And it is possible they could have survived! First question. Would America even exist in this timeline?

[@lnm7276]

2 Sean Hartnett. Great question of if America would have existed. In this scenario England N Vikings would have come have come into conflict. Imagine a Combination of a English, Scandanavian North America. This is semi mind boggling....

[@RayB1656]

The Vikings settled in Iceland. They settled then in Greenland, for a few decades however the climate changed drastically by the 1100. They had to go back... they settled in Newfoundland at Anse aux Meadows, for a little while, then they left quickly.....maybe harsh winters, rocky soil, the Mi'kmaqs and mainly and probably = scurvy !

[@seanhartnett79]

@@RayB1656 I was about to answer it.

[@rudy92464]

great speculation! love the Viking figures and the music at the end.

[@taktix3137]

What if Tesco won ww2?

[@asukaifire2929]

@AlternateHistoryHub you should make a video about; What if the British Commonwealth survived? Btw I'm talking the about the Commonwealth from the British Civil War lead by Cromwell.

[@isaiahwelch8066]

Here's what Cody _isn't saying. First, there was a settlement in Canada that lasted at least 2 years, of about 200 settlers. Most historians believe it was a combination of crop failures and Native American encounters that doomed the settlement to fail. However, there has been a Viking longboat found on the bottom of the Mississippi River. Contained within this longboat are several pounds of preserved food, some armor, and around 30 Viking longswords. It is believed that this expedition was caught in the crossfire of Native Americans, who thought the Vikings were invaders. On a personal note, it is a rumor that on my mother's side of my family, my ancestry includes Leif Ericksson and Erik the Red -- who, by the way, was so bloodthirsty, even mainstream Vikings didnt like him. Go figure.

[@absinthe_apostle]

Later colonists found that many Beothuk people in "Vinland" had red or blonde hair. This may have been intermingling, so unless you know a counter-theory, I would reapraise that.

[@robertgronewold3326]

I feel that the "intermingling" was a little 'forced' shall we say.

[@absinthe_apostle]

I'm sure it was rape but I'm pretty sure he implied there would be none.

[@Azamat421]

LjFJDhs no lmao Spaniards are not blonde

[@TheRickyp83]

Uh newsflash, Spaniards are white Europeans just as the rest of Europeans. Sure, a technically a slightly different caucasian than Scandinavians but there were and are blonde, blue eyed Europeans throughout Europe. It's just more concentrated in the Scandinavian area. When the Spanish arrived in the Americas, many Natives were reported to be fascinated by the different colors of hair and eyes they had. As someone on the American hemisphere, you might think of modern Mexicans or something when you think "Spanish" but that's just implying they speak Spanish. An actual Spanish person (Spaniard) is caucasian just as the British, Swedish and French.

[@CassandraPantaristi]

Spaniard skin tones change from light to mildly tan or olive, or can be dark.

[@ThatRandomGuy30]

What if Kekistan lost the Great Meme War?

[@yamibakura8597]

>Implying Kekistan could lose Get out.

[@joelv.6209]

This meme needs to die

[@kc_oner]

Blaine Madeya Then we’d see less koreaboos!

[@Marylandbrony]

Normies take over memes and become the new "Dank Meme Makers". They all make memes for that normie Hilary Clinton and cause her to win the election. Right-wing frustration goes else where. Le Pen wins in France as does Wilders. The AFD win even bigger including becoming the government in Lower Saxony. Republicans keep winning else where and the world order is thrown into peril.

[@vacatiolibertas]

What if Bill Nye won the great Meme war?

[@blessedwolfNotAFurry]

I like this alt history! It’s better. Vikings were good.

[@ErikThau]

Vikings meant bloodshed and pillaging - yes, Cody, but they also were traders, using the sailmanship you also remark, and if the Vikings had stayed in Newfoundland, i.e., brought their families with them, just like some of their ancestors the Anglo-Saxons did in the 6th century on the British Isles, they might have set up a colony that would have had better chances to survive than the settlers in Greenland. The climate that had been so benevolent and warm during the 8th-11th centuries, which might have been the triggering fact to the Viking expansion, became colder in the late middle ages and was one of the factors that brought the Scandinavian settlements in Greenland to their extinction. However, the Vinland colony would not suffer that fate but have been a rescue to the Greenlandic settlements. Also, it is unlikely that the Vikings wouldn't interact with the locals just like it happens everywhere else when Europeans met indigenous populations in other continents. Despite their differences, there were also similarities to the natives of present-day East Canada, like tribal division of society, low social stratification, a culture of warriors, and a good adaptation to the extreme climates close to the polar circle; the newcomers in Newfoundland would have respected the natives for that and might have closed marriage bonds and mixed blood with the locals. And once that happens, any kind of exchange of culture, language, economy, technology, is possible.

[@gorillaguerillaDK]

There is actually DNA evidence in Iceland that makes it highly probable that at least one Native American had children with one of the Norsemen...

[@visualanxiety9681]

What if the British Raj stayed united after gaining independence?

[@chrisgaming9567]

It would be very unstable as the vast numbers of Hindus and Muslims wouldn't want to share the same country. If the Raj could overcome this and stay united, they'd become a major world power similar to China in our world.

[@NeroPiroman]

burma was Allso part of the raj so exept for large hindu and muslim population the budhist comunity would be quite large as well

[@elinmexis]

love it!! I have often wondered about this!

[@pyroastic7541]

Vinland (pronounced veen-land) actually translates into "wineland"

[@carultch]

And Finland translates to "End Land". As in End of Europe before big scary Russia. Finland in its own language means swamp land, and is actually Suomi.

[@cv4809]

Pyroastic I thought Vin was the name of the guy who discovered it

[@uncanny6720]

Constantine V lmao 😂 no

[@uncanny6720]

Constantine V it was Leif eriksson

[@icantcomeupwithagoodusername]

Vin is Swedish for wine