What If the Z-Fighters Used the Time Chamber in the Saiyan Saga?

[@Crimson_Titan]

My theory on the SSJ grade forms are as such: SSJ - 50x base SSJ G2 (I.E. ascended SSJ) - 60x base, a slight increase in speed/power beyond normal SSJ SSJ G3 (I.E. Ultra SSJ) - 75x base, a significant increase in power, but equal loss in speed/stamina SSJ G4 (I.E. MSSJ) - 75x base, according to a GT guidebook, this form has the same output in power as g3, but w/out the physical limitations SSJ 2 - 100x base SSJ 3 - 400x base

[@Suleiman2000]

it's called mastered super saiyan for a reason

[@Imperia1Wrath]

​@@Suleiman2000Yes, your point?

[@LuciannaDeCelio]

All the yes, dude! I love it when the humans get to shine so bright! I kinda wish that Tien would learn kaioken & teach it to the other Z-Fighters so they can all better keep up with the saiyans in the future.

[@TheUnseenPath]

I also like the fact he went with the original cast! Yamcha lives and gets time to shine.

[@Imperia1Wrath]

Yamcha, Tien, and Chiaotzu all should've learned the Kaioken, they were certainly there long enough to do it. I've always thought that ever since I first watched the series as a kid.

[@sephirothcrescent6091]

I don't understand how people say grade 4 super saiyan is just as strong as grade 1 never made sense to me.

[@Amiiido]

grade 4 is just regular ssj with out energy lost but Lightro should do a video to clear up confusion

[@stevenle9960]

It's stronger than grade 1 but not in terms of a multiplier. it is an overall better form that can be casually maintained. For example it is a fact that grade 3 is a more "powerful" form in the conventional sense but goku called it useless since it has a speed reduction drawback. People like to say that grade 4 has a higher multiplier since everyone was pissing their pants when goku got out the time chamber and flexed a little, but that was just because his overall base power was increased in that year of training. I mean think about it he had another super saiyen in there with him, and since the stamina drain was eliminated they would train for longer periods of time. But anyways this is just my explanation of it

[@ssjhyperion]

me too

[@zetero1]

I think it is just better stamina but still 50x multiplier

[@ssjhyperion]

@@zetero1 why man come on if the stamina alone is better then cell would body all the saiyans in cell games as they only got 3 to 7.5 times stronger in the chamber and remember android 18 literally bodied vegeta but yet still her, nor her brother could even touch cell

[@MegaMak007]

Great What if so far. I really liked the remastered version

[@ultimateadj]

Another great video as always man nice job

[@andreycz535]

Bro u missed two factors applying growth to humans, it should be at least 20x, because they have more training experience, like Gohan and Goku when they exited the Time Chamber, they were 2-3x stronger Vegeta/Trunks, and the 2nd factor is gravity which is 10x bigger than on outside the Time Chamber, they didn't get used to it

[@Crimson_Titan]

Goku received a 20x boost while training on King Kai's planet, and he was less than half as strong as the humans were after they finished training with Kami. Plus, the humans would've been able to train w/ each other, as opposed to Goku who trained solo. And it's well established that training w/ a partner (preferably of equal or near equal footing) yields greater benefits than training alone. However, I have a theory on why Goku's growth in the time chamber (along w/ Vegeta's) wasn't as high as their sons, particularly Gohan's. Which is that both Saiyans had previously trained long-term in much higher levels of gravity, 100x-300x to be precise. As such, lower levels of gravity like those in the time chamber or on King Kai's planet, wouldn't be as effective as they would've been beforehand. In real-world perspectives, it's like a bodybuilder who trains lifting heavy amounts of weight at over 100+ lbs. They wouldn't get anywhere near the benefits if they went back to lifting 50+ lbs of weight. Sure, it would keep them fit, but their gains would be bare minimum at best or negligible at worst. I think that gravity training would function the same way. So yes, the humans growth were they to train in the time chamber during the Saiyan saga, should definitely be AT LEAST 20x, but I would argue even more than that due to training w/ a partner.

[@rnkn88]

What if Master Roshi wished for his youth back after the 23th world martial art tournament

[@zainy_inc154]

great video man

[@jreddtrex1618]

Continue this one man I dig it :).

[@gabrielfrische8785]

Please good man, continue this.

[@GrayGhost2020]

Awesome keep going with this series.

[@DragonStarProductions]

Overall I enjoyed the video dude. Nice Remaster, just felt the background audio was a bit distracting at some points.

[@noaxyhaxy460]

It depends on when they start training in the chamber and if they wanted to go inn more then one time, but lets say they went in from Day one, if we are going by the 5x power boost then they would be 5x stronger then after gokus death, then they would have another 9-11 months before Vegeta and nappa arraives. So lets say they would be 5x stronger, because they are stronger and would have stronger training partners and if they decided to go in again they would be 13-15x stronger then the original time line. In the cell saga they had 9 days to prepare not almost a year.

[@Tylearn]

Man the people chopping down the tree in the background is distracting 🤕 good video tho

[@mkthedj1006]

I love your channel tylearn

[@darkamulet5768]

Wanna hear this: What if Launch Was a Saiyan? This may stumble more into fanfiction to make sense of it, but hey, aren't many What Ifs fanfiction in their own right, similar to the altercations done to make What if The Ginyu Force Turned Good? Anyway, so what's Launch's Saiyan origin? Well she is born like any other Saiyan on Planet Sadala, however she had a weak power level and so, the only job she could take was raise the young. You see, she's sent to weak planets that Saiyan babies would soon reach. She'll have to raise them and make them grow up to be component fighters, at least surpass her own power level (which can be 500 like Gine). It's not much, but this becomes important later on. You see, Launch was sent to Earth to await Kakarot's arrival, but she wasn't told WHEN he would arrive, so she misses seeing his pod crash to Earth. She decides to spend this time making a home for herself away from the race that basically threw her away like a pair of worn boots. She eventually realizes her new allergy to flowers that activates the Super Saiyan power the legends said, but because it's triggered by this due to a mutation in her genes, she can't use it effectively. But even so, she'll be fine as she's far more powerful than mostly everyone on Earth. She eventually meets Goku and she might be the one to reveal he's Kakarot, not Raditz unlike in the original timeline. And then she becomes a relevant character, fighting alongside the Z-Fighters in the future. Wanna do this? Oh, and don't worry about edits, I have made Saiyan Launch: @t @t Just make sure to credit me, of course.

[@josephbongiorno9138]

I enjoyed it very well.

[@erickvargas5624]

Can’t wait for part 2

[@anthonybyrne6631]

My dude watch's seth I like you better

[@fadejustice5430]

Love your vids Goku's power level on namek would be higher than 90,000 cuz he has an extra partner

[@LightroStorm]

Yeah, but remember that Gohan is weaker than him so he has to hold back at first, but eventually due to Gohan's potential they catch up to where he was in canon.

[@fadejustice5430]

Oh ok

[@fadejustice5430]

Make part two

[@taijutsugod2666]

That’s it I’m subscribing

[@wolfdarkforge2529]

Nice, Krillin gets to be powerful

[@TheRmf5]

yamcha would had had his potenchal unlocked when fighting vageta and would have won

[@DaytonAnimates]

Or to solve these multipliers... *M A T H*

[@aparnasurlakar2758]

How yamcha knows the spirit bomb

[@LightroStorm]

Spirit Ball. It's one of his own techniques.

[@linkfan6555]

Since this what if is about the humans I think they should keep pace with the saiyans in this what if like maybe after the frieza saga they make a wish on the dragon balls for more training and end up with the supreme kai or king kai to learn fusion or some way to keep pace.

[@LightroStorm]

I'm gonna try to stick to the most logical approach.

[@user-zd5lx8jg7z]

Awesome

[@cavaleirot]

I believe that in this timeline Piccolo is dedicated to the maximum because he has Tenshinhan pressing on him, it would be interesting for the dosi to learn the techniques of Lord Kaioh from the North, it is also the Instant Transmission (Teleportation). On the way back to Earth you could have Yamcha watching over the Vegeta, creating a rivalry that would push the human to its limits, and succumbing to increased gravity training, and that's why Yamcha would not have escaped this training as in the original history, that could make Vegeta have some sense of friendship or respect, after all he is a member of a race of warriors, and seeing some weak overcoming and getting stronger would make Vegeta have respect. That would make the FUTURE Trunks the son of Yamcha and Bulma, but he would not appear alone to warn the others of the RR ANDROIDS, he will be accompanied by a young woman a warrior daughter of Vegeta and Tights. That would be a good change in this scenario and bring more interest to the story.

[@erickvargas5624]

Part 2 ??

[@LightroStorm]

It won't be coming out this month unfortunately. Hopefully soon.

[@rowan2445]

Goku said that vegeta would have needed to triple his power to contend with cell. So high ball would be vegeta got 6 times stronger assuming he could tank cells attacks with no damage. But there was one instance where cell was able to draw blood from vegeta, so i wouldn't put vegeta at 2 times cell. I would say between 1.5 and 2 times, Since we saw that vegeta dominated cui when he was only 1.3 times stronger than him, so you dont need to be 2 times your opponent to dominate. So id say vegeta got around 5 times stronger after the time chamber

[@swize6250]

please do another one

[@LightroStorm]

It's the next video.

[@swize6250]

Lightro_ Storm thanks this was amazing

[@aalaali1254]

Part 2 bro where is the legendary part 2????

[@LightroStorm]

January.

[@YamamotoKazuo]

Don't you have to be at a certain level to enter the time chamber

[@LightroStorm]

Not necessarily.

[@YamamotoKazuo]

@@LightroStorm didn't goku almost die when he was a kid in the chamber lasting only 2 hours

[@LightroStorm]

In terms of lasting, yes there's a level. But in terms of actually entering, no.

[@Brugar18]

would love to see z fighters train in the sun

[@Senso_Ultra]

I'm lazy so I'm going to guess that either you're slower are or lowers your stamina a noticeable amount

[@juliostevens9480]

If the humans trained in the time chamber Goku would be been better off getting wished back earlier to train with them. Chances are Goku would have been strong enough to take on Vegeta and would have surely had a stronger base.

[@omegahyakimaru3093]

Plz send the beat link plz

[@LightroStorm]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/rJ3Ek4BujZWlm7M

[@Amiiido]

If grade 2 is 100 times what’s grade 3 I personally thought grade 3 was 100 times while grade 2 was around 75

[@LightroStorm]

Grade 3 is at least 10× that based on the El Manga Legendario. However it could be referring to Grade 3 Trunks over Grade 2 Vegeta rather than the forms themselves. Here are my actual multipliers: Grade 1 - 50× Grade 2 - 125× Grade 3 - 1,500× Grade 4 - 2,000× I just lowballed in this video for simplicity.

[@Amiiido]

Lightro_ Storm so is super saiyan 2 4000 times

[@LightroStorm]

@@Amiiido Yep.

[@dontrellew4102]

What if Goku went into the time chamber after vegeta a second time

[@thesilvershota3091]

Rape

[@fadejustice5430]

Olso what's your discord

[@LightroStorm]

Check the description.

[@kamuiyu7387]

Its really stupid that they did not use the chamber

[@bandabanana4939]

Probably in the Saiyan saga couldn't even take the HTC since it's a really hard training area

[@PM90005]

I wish yamcha was in the names saga

[@jonathanolivo4206]

What if Gohan and krillin died on namek

[@jonathanolivo4206]

Would he be twice as strong as the original saga

[@user-rr6jj5mr6f]

The question isn't what if more of why?

[@LightroStorm]

Why not? It's a fun idea.

[@fadejustice5430]

Do vids every other day

[@LightroStorm]

I wish I could, but that just isn't an option.

[@hectorgcastro9452]

More bardock plz

[@donnatann3754]

Saiyan got zenkai. Their boost should be 3.5x

[@triplexxx2174]

No

[@flipflop3701]

How about "What If Goku Did Saitama's Training"

[@triplexxx2174]

Then he would be weak asf

[@vegetassgss9003]

Super saiyan grade 2 is not a 100 times multiplayer i will put super saiyan grade 2 is about 60 times

[@LightroStorm]

It's actually more than 100×.

[@vegetassgss9003]

@@LightroStorm I just searced it and its about 75× but whats the multiplayer of grade 3 and 4 you say that grade 2 is 100× then SSJ2 multiplayer is what

[@LightroStorm]

@@vegetassgss9003 SSJ2 is 2,000× at minimum. Also I don't know where your source is from, but if it isn't from a guide or something like that it's wrong.

[@vegetassgss9003]

@@LightroStorm but its been said that SSJ2 is 100× multiplayer and SSJ3 400× btw love your videos and also I am from europe and now is 3:25 am

[@vegetassgss9003]

@@LightroStorm btw can you do a what if bardock got revived in the timeskip between the cell saga and the buu saga

[@quigonjinn7057]

What if tien trained gohan

[@truejay193]

I disagree with your scaling here I think that Super Saiyan grade 2 should be a 75% boost as in 1.25 in grade 3 would be a 90% boost maybe even %95

[@yaboizach795]

Why cant goku get an increase inpower in the namek saga it only makes sence

[@LightroStorm]

Because he had to hold back for the majority of the time when training with Gohan.

[@yaboizach795]

@@LightroStorm i think he should have a slight increase in power dont u think

[@LightroStorm]

@@yaboizach795 No because he's held back for half of the training.

[@zedmiller7924]

@@LightroStorm So if goku had trained alone in the time chamber he would still b the same as with gohan during the cell games

[@khaledldn8378]

I want gohan to get Kaioken

[@davidesteban191]

Well this is old, but tell me if you like this head canon, regular SSJ would be 50x, SSJ grade 2 would be 60x though a little slower than regular SSJ, SSJ grade 3 is a x100 multiplier, just as SSJ2 but useless due to the immensely slow speed, SSJ grade 4 or mastered is a 75x multiplier and has no stamina loss and no speed loss, if you wanna go further then I'll make a head canon for every form. SSJ2 is a 100x multiplier, 200x when completely mastered, since it's a perfect form, it can be pushed to the limits to a 450x multiplier, point in case vegeta against beerus was stronger than SSJ3 goku against beerus, SSJ2 future trunks was stronger than SSJ3 goku as well. SSJ3 is a form that cannot be mastered, it's an imperfect form and it sucks real hard, it has more stamina loss than any of the other forms and it's heavily taxing on the body even with the 400x multiplier, SSJ3 is as far as a tailless saiyan can go, it's the result of a saiyan without a tail trying to harness the power of the oozaru along with the power of a ssj. SSJ4, the real SSJ3, it's what happens when you combine SSJ with the Oozaru power, saiyans would go SSJ4 immediately when trying to access SSJ3 if they still had their tails, the multiplier is 500x, dunno if can be mastered and pushed further beyond, but if mastered, a 750x multiplier sounds reasonable.

[@LightroStorm]

@@davidesteban191 no kzbin.info/www/bejne/jobPkKR-dsSEe7csi=a5q0AhnDkAuRm6nm

[@Grimplays185]

The multiplier is 5 for Ascended Super Saiyan Grade 3 is double it's in the guides

[@Grimplays185]

like Grade 2 is 5 times 1 Grade 3 is double Grade 2 Grade 3 is stronger than SSJ3 in raw power but is just useless because of the physical immobilization and slugged speed

[@LightroStorm]

@@Grimplays185 I mean you can join my Discord and debate me. Grade 4 is stronger than Grade 3.

[@koa5687]

Grim my guy that’s not it bro

[@Grimplays185]

@@koa5687 how so prove to me when they showed guides including the wiki

[@LightroStorm]

@@Grimplays185 The wiki isn't a guide.

[@estebanmares681]

This is how the saiyan saga should have ended, let the other z fighters shine for once Toriyama

[@estebanmares681]

this scenario should have been canon instead we get the z fighters humiliated at least here they go down with diginity against vegeta

[@Connerburchlifts]

GRADE 4 IS THE SAME AS GRADE 1 BUT WITH NO STAMINA DRAIN THATS THE ONLY DIFFERENCE AND GRADE 2 IS A 65x BOOST WITH GRADE 3 BEING 75x BOOST NOW GET YOUR FACTS STRAIT

[@LightroStorm]

Join the Discord and debate me: discord.gg/Hpg2FFN

[@alluringming]

To me I always thought the humans had potential, they show when they received same training as goku they can excel him. I mean they were much stronger after training kami than goku was in one year than the three years goku got. Just shows that humans do have hte potential under the right condition. Especially if they have a training partner with them. It wouldn't be funny if they push the kaioken further than goku, I see them finding way master it somehow since that's what humans martial artist train to do. Try to master any technique the learn or create themselves

[@LightroStorm]

I would recommend you watch the rest of the series. kzbin.info/aero/PLbf6fmH5tqH1l3os0OyansMYOjA_WX08P

[@alluringming]

@@LightroStorm I just did, always thought the aerthlings had potential that wasn't fully utilized. So enjoyed this series. He if only find a good what I found around videl, zangya, or puar and I will be happy

[@decarionvalentine5985]

Rachel is 65x

[@moxi2183]

Well the hell is goku

[@fadejustice5430]

*also

[@donnatann3754]

Gokus pl would increase becuz gohan would be a good training partner. Gohan pl would then be 90k. Goku pl is 120k

[@jimmyvasquez5298]

If vegeta was double his strength in great ape and fought goku, he should have lost. And even if he did win he should have taken severe damage from goku and when reverted back to normal, his power level should have been crippled. Gohan what have killed him in great ape no hesitation

[@LightroStorm]

Great Ape is 10× base.

[@decarionvalentine5985]

wrong it 65

[@darlvader1652]

Yamcha w'ont die

[@LightroStorm]

Never said he did.

[@waseemomar7588]

First

[@ivanstipic5591]

It only time you achieve somthing besides wining sperm race

[@waseemomar7588]

@Ramkkingk Ramkala jealous?

[@waseemomar7588]

@Ramkkingk Ramkala why would that annoy you?

[@waseemomar7588]

@Ramkkingk Ramkala KZbin is 90 percent kids

[@waseemomar7588]

@Ramkkingk Ramkala also when I typed first I told my self some dum was kid well come and try to argue about it

[@vegetassgss9003]

Let me tell you why thos is bullshit first of all they were to weak to handle the HTC and they would probably die about half a month in there

[@LightroStorm]

No. Kid Goku with a power level of 260 lasted a few months and they're in the thousands.