What if Trick Room Was Real?

[@robbierotten2024]

I can’t believe Ramparados is too slow for normal formats and too fast for his literal dream game mode. Absolutely devastating. He learns curse tho, so maybe sheer force life orb curse Boosted head smash is gonna work

[@DemonRaticate]

Sadly, Head Smash doesn’t even get a SF boost.

[@Expialadociouss]

@@DemonRaticatescreens rampardos will prevail 🗣️ 🔥

[@CoffeeFlavoredMilk]

On the plus side, this is the first meta since Gen 3 NU where Sudowoodo isn't a complete joke which I find pleasant cause Sudowoodo is one of the most infamously poor Pokemon out there, but it has one of the lowest base Speed stats in the game and hits hard with Rock Head Head Smash and Wood Hammer. There are other traditionally bottom tier stinkers that have a niche for similar reasons. Crabominable, Pincurchin (though I imagine its mostly viable due to hazard support and boosting mons like Iron Hands and Raging Bolt and its speed isn't a liability like in standard play), Gumshoos, Greedent, Camerupt among a few others. Another surprisingly good LC mon is Munchlax. Having these guys be able to stand toe to toe with stuff like Dondozo and Kingambit is just amusing to me.

[@usernametaken017]

​@@CoffeeFlavoredMilkmunchlax? not even snorlax?

[@F3XT]

@@CoffeeFlavoredMilk I think Sudowoodo has a niche set in gen 4 UU, but that's due to the fact that almost every single pokemon has a set for gen 4 UU, including trapinch which was mentioned in the video

[@lordfangar5671]

Running trickroom to use a bunch of super fast pokemon in this format is so funny. Thats awesome

[@ulrichbrodowsky5016]

I don't think you need to be super fast. Ramparados might do the thing Remember, everyone else uses super slow pokemon

[@Ditto-ib5xv]

1:52 "Torkoal is one of the fastest Pokemon in the meta with base 20 speed" What a sentence

[@Sphylinder]

finally gives use to my beloved pincurchin, knowing he can travel at the speed of light in this meta ❤️

[@JackLeighton-uh6sl]

@Sphylinder munchlax is a pretty viable pokemon that beats it ;)

[@ethanbosch6770]

I was just about to say, i was not prepared to hear that sentence

[@theScarletSprig]

So sad. I love torkoal! Maybe I'll try using a trick room team

[@Thunderblunder777]

Love this meta so much so many pokemon I’ve never even thought of are usable and even pretty good

[@svennmivedor9191]

Wait it’s the goat wtf

[@N12015]

And then there's Ramphardos.

[@usernametaken017]

@@N12015 who? never even heard of this guy. (/hj)

[@Eroil]

What's your thoughts on 3:42 (black sludge kingambit)

[@MrArtless1]

Wait why doesn’t anyone use sticky webs into hatterene to bounce it back and out speed everyone

[@skeepodoop5197]

I loved when the format just came out and EVERYTHING ran the power items that half your speed. Basically automatic unburden with no drawbacks. Since everything ran that, hazards became wack since nothing was running heavy duty boots lmao.

[@TLTheLegend]

yea it was so annoying that they straight up banned them

[@Goldeat_Between]

Well technically you could use munchlax who is slower than most pokemon even without power items.

[@CabbageMuncher13]

I still use munchlax belly drum aguav berry is so overpowered

[@Almond19912]

Trapinch is basically dugtrio in this format, fast 100 attack arena trapper

[@ashblossomandjoyoussprung.9917]

I would have thought Life Orb Sheer Force Trapinch would be pretty devastating with 10 speed and 100 attack.

[@JackLeighton-uh6sl]

arena traps banned though, trapinch is running sf

[@june9914]

They’ll never expect the choice scarf trick (they will)

[@Adnah6]

THATS WHAT I JUST THOUGHT

[@hailthequeenFM]

But will they expect Court Change Sticky Web?

[@olafmikoaj3121]

​@@hailthequeenFMWho's running a Cinderace...

[@cryochick9044]

​@@hailthequeenFMits shit

[@homerman76]

@@olafmikoaj3121 Is Smeargle an option?

[@DiaSynapsid]

Fast, strong, bulky. Everything, everywhere, all at once. It's an optimizer's dream. The age of fast has ended. No more glass cannons. (Mostly. Trapinch is the goodest of boys) The thought of trick room emphasizing glass cannons in a world of optimization just sends me rolling sideways. Now, a high speed stat doesn't represent high speed. The number represents a "speed ranking". You want to be closer to number 1 in speed.

[@X-V1L3]

Rampardos in Normal mode: LMAOOOOO TOO SLOW Rampardos in Perma Trick Room: LMAOOOOO TOO FAST Rampardos when one side of Tailwind pulls up:

[@edfreak9001]

new metagame rule: rampardos may bring iron ball on the count that it is god's least favorite son

[@axeltheinternetsweeper8082]

New mode : rampardos mode

[@BBSplat]

Just thinking about it, the fact that no Pokemon has to invest into Speed EVs makes everything even stronger and bulkier. Even a -Spe nature is a win win, essentially getting two buffs.

[@Gamesmarts194]

holy shit I didn’t even think about this

[@iamthestrong927]

I've seen Kingambits running _Grass Knot_ to deal with Dondozo because it doesn't have to run Adamant in Twisted Dimensions.

[@ShiningSilvally]

Makes sense, because with Trick Room being completely permanent, the strategies for offense & defense can be fully prioritized, by making your speed as low as possible. I can see many Pokémon working as such, even ones as niche as Stakataka. Heck, I can even see a combo of TD & Little Cup stacked together, to make Pokémon like Munchlax with Curse REALLY good. But, that's just me.

[@CabbageMuncher13]

Yeah I made all my mons 0 speed ivs and -speed nature

[@elliottchen7947]

If speed is so important, I’d imagine some players running lvl 99 mons just to win a speed tie, just like lvl 99 teleport slowking a while back

[@berr21able]

In fact, all Pokemon are forced to be level 100 to prevent this exact thing from happening. Level 99 tech is funny when it shows up seldomly, but in this case it introduces an arms race where everyone is trying to underlevel their Pokemon to get the jump on each other, which just introduces way too much chaos.

[@TLTheLegend]

This was predicted to be a problem, and so the meta has a level 100 clause where all your pokemon are forced to be level 100. This prevents endless speed creeping shenanigans and also prevents FEAR strats since those are way better when the level 1 pokemon is faster

[@nicholasverze5134]

​@@TLTheLegendit's interesting, if they didn't make this rule, the speed undercutting would probably just eventually lead to everyone running lv1 utility pokémon and lv100 sweepers or something like it. To be honest, I'm sure the meta would have figured out some sort of weird combination of both, that just turned out to be optimal, but it could be too unpredictable. It would have been interesting to witness however.

[@skazka3789]

​@@berr21ableI disagree with that reasoning because underleveled Pokemon would have worse attacking and defending stats. There's always a trade off. Forcing everything to be level 100 removes an otherwise unique aspect of the tier.

[@Pihsrosnec]

​@@TLTheLegendAw, but FEAR strats are funny!

[@vannsylten6765]

Wow, our OM is famous! I’m known as VannAccessible on Smogon and came up with the idea for this format. Thanks for the shoutout, Freezai! I feel honored. :)

[@gamercows1]

Hey idk if you’ll see this but is there anyway to make it so trick room makes it so everyone moves at normal speed for 5 turns within the format?

[@vannsylten6765]

Already implemented, my friend! We are also preparing our next round of tiering balance voting today. Stay tuned!

[@arno7163]

@@vannsylten6765 Has the item clause to only have 1 iron ball ever been to a vote?

[@Sikk2]

new strategy: abuse hatterene‘s magic bounce to bounce sticky web to your own side and have permanent speed boost edit: ofc it’s not a meta-breaking innovation. i‘m just saying it might be fun to enable off-meta mons like maybe rampardos or bellydrum snorlax

[@patrickstar8132]

Not rlly new and is pretty telegraphed, some people have tried stuff like court change as well, but it's just very gimmicky

[@Pythagoras180]

There are very few Sticky Web users. Wouldn't your opponent obviously see what you're trying to do? And then you'll accidentally end up setting Sticky Web on your opponent's side.

[@enotsnavdier6867]

Court Change is better

[@Sikk2]

what about vikavolt? it’s relatively slow, bulky and has decent offensive stats. plus, it’s not commonly known as a sticky web user. i would assume, many players see it as „just someone trying to make their favourite pokémon work“ edit: volt switch and a favorable type matchup against hammerarm and dozo are nice, too

[@babygrill01]

​​@@Sikk2there's 9 fully evolved pokemon that learn sticky web, it's predictable

[@graepflavoredsoda1889]

Played the format really fun using munchlax since it’s one of if the fastest Pokémon in the format that does tons of damage because of belly drum

[@cryochick9044]

I think he IS the fastest at base 5

[@homerman76]

@@cryochick9044 Yeah the best any other Pokemon can do is match it, and who's going to run Shuckle or Pyukumuku?

[@cryochick9044]

@@homerman76 isn't shukcle base 10?

[@cameronmyers5716]

@@cryochick9044nope

[@mailcs06]

@ cryochick9044 Nah shuckle is base 5

[@junglecruiser4785]

Ngl seeing vikavolt, sudowoodo, crabominable and SUNFLORA be decent to good meta threats is so odd yet incredible at the same time.

[@robbierotten2024]

I think Galarian Slowbro looks good. Poison/psychic type curse user. 4x resists Conkuldurs stab and has stab Zen Headbutt, neutral to psychic and resists fairy from Hatterene, while having a stab gunk shot to absolutely evaporate her. Has earthquake for coverage, and regenerator just in case you need to switch him out.

[@sagacious03]

I love analysis like this of unusual metagames! Thanks so much for uploading this interesting analysis video! Looking forward to more like this from you!

[@JCDragon2819]

Don't forget the unkillable Shuckle. It loves Trick Room with its Base Speed of 5.

[@derpyquagsire6678]

With a 230 base attack using power trick

[@Milesprowerthegamer]

Unfortunately, Shuckle isn't in gen 9 and this is a gen 9 (not a natdex) metagame.

[@big__shell]

@@Milesprowerthegamer poor shuckle. he was too good for this world. moveset too funny to be allowed in sv

[@aldrichunfaithful3589]

i'm glad you mentioned the nuance with iron ball, i've attempted to explain why i disagree with the ban twice now and both times i've gotten into an argument with people saying things like "oh why don't we unban mega rayquaza since both players will have it so it's fine" lmao. using nothing but iron ball isn't the only optimal strategy, there's a ton of mons who can arguable run boots, lefties, eviolite, specs, band or flame orb instead, and if you choose to spam iron ball you will get destroyed by a well played hazard stack. the reason why i liked iron ball is because it created an opportunity for slightly faster mons to use iron ball to underspeed anything not using one, anything under base 60 (like rampardos) could underspeed the base 30 tier like that and even if they were using iron ball that just means you can spam hazards to punish them instead. i'm 99% sure the meta would've developed around iron ball and hazards like this if we hadn't just banned it, but now we're missing out on what could've been a unique aspect of the tier and we've limited the number of viable mons even more than we needed to

[@frankanderson3368]

How do you feel about already slow mons using iron ball too? It's like if every pokemon could use choice scarf without a move lock. Only counter is to run the item too.

[@grunkleg.2934]

The problem with that is already slow Pokemon running Iron Ball to outslow the faster Pokemon holding Iron Ball. At that point there's no strategy, it's just use Iron Ball or have a worse Pokemon, which just centralizes the whole meta around the item. The opportunity cost of not running an Iron Ball ends up being too high 90% of the time. And then hazard spam is also kinda unreliable when many of the strongest Pokemon want to switch in once and set up for a sweep. Plus the single best Pokemon in the format is a super slow Magic Bouncer

[@aldrichunfaithful3589]

@@frankanderson3368 it's a question of how greedy you want to be and how much you value the immediate speed. just think about evs and natures, people don't always spam timid/jolly 252 speed they try to run adamant/modest whenever possible and will greed some lower evs to squeeze extra bulk. iron ball does provide a very large speed boost but there is an opportunity cost with not running other items, especially boots, and sometimes the speed isn't mandatory

[@aldrichunfaithful3589]

@@grunkleg.2934 hazard stack is more reliable than you'd think, hatterene is great but it has no reliable recovery (and probably wouldn't have boots in an iron ball meta) and there's plenty of hazard setters that can threaten it. you could run clodsire which underspeeds hatt, has all 3 hazards and a supereffective stab move to hit it, or copperajah to ohko it with sheer force iron head on a predict. hatterene only works to reliably block hazards on offensive teams that can sack it and keep momentum up, those teams don't work in twisted dimensions

[@eaglesflyhigh615]

“physical quiver dance” like victory dance doesn’t exist

[@user-ub2tc1mt1y]

0:25 gen 1 mewtwo

[@Krqze0Official]

Fr

[@aggapuffin]

5:02 I thought you were about to say Pineco was the second ban for a second, and I was _very_ interested.

[@JackLeighton-uh6sl]

If anyone is wondering about the pineco, pineco is a solid suicide lead since its fast, has sturdy, has removal, and has a self ko move.

[@itslexactually]

“Physical Quiver Dance” does exist, but its distribution is abysmal. It’s called Victory Dance and so far it’s the signature move of Lilligant-Hisui. That’s it.

[@leeegmh7497]

Rampardos theorem strikes again 😔

[@ironball2847]

The guy at 8:07 has a Regieleki, lol.

[@smokeyjoseph1790]

There's a way to make Eleki out speed trick room

[@RadiativeChester]

Is speed overflow a thing in this meta? Because then Regieleki could Agility their way into overflow and become the fastest thing alive even in Twisted Dimensions

[@siosilvar]

Yes? Freezai is talking about how you could use Trick Room to go back to normal speed tiers, and blocks Deoxys' use of that exact move with a taunt at that moment.

[@maglev0789]

If Shuckle had Body Press, this format would explode

[@vanessadavies123]

when shuckle isn’t in the game, I dont think that matters

[@Glory2Snowstar]

I gotta respect any meta that gives Crabominable a chance to ball.

[@OscarDudley-e1k]

Surprised he didnt mention the sticky web t-spikes court change strategy. Or just ursaluna in general cause that mon is pretty busted with guts

[@cryochick9044]

Usaluna is slow here. And that's still super gimmicky

[@Azusashusband]

Well you need at least 3 turns to set that up mind as well just click curse 3 times with conk and ill probably do better anyway

[@benjaminschmitt1562]

Ursaluna is base 50 speed so it’s a bit too fast for the meta (though it does also have curse). Also he said two of the best Pokémon are Dondozo and Conkeldurr which kinda prey on Luna. With that said it’s still Ursaluna and Ursaluna can do Ursaluna things.

[@Léon-x3c]

A turtle being the most powerful thing in this metagame is chef's kiss.

[@FTW1230]

There’s bound to be that one guy running trick room hyper speed.

[@bcs-xp4ee]

“They is no perfect Pokémon” I think he forget about gen 8 dlc mons (35 dollar supremacy baby).

[@SnoFitzroy]

Zacian and Obstagoon aren't in the DLC tho

[@chasefeaster4232]

Cant wait for someone to use Sticky Web and get it bounced back on their side of the field lol

[@tabam]

Zacian before nerf was a perfect pokemon. Strong, fast and resistant

[@danyg0000]

Fortunately Game Freak decided to make a different gen 8 Pokémon perfect by giving Clayrex shadow Tera Blast rooming it's fatal flaw of not being able to hit dark types 😊

[@trickyman1323]

"There is no such thing as a perfect pokemon" Mega-Rayquaza would like to know your location

[@hermitcrab6748]

Happiness is temporary, trick room is eternal.

[@mailcs06]

3:15 “When everyone’s super, no one will be.”

[@Magikarpador]

there should be a metagame where your dad comes backs and says he loves you and is proud of you. i think that would be a good metagame

[@Gamesmarts194]

Kinda cool seeing all of these weird game modes on Showdown. Makes me wonder if there’s a future possibility of creating a customizable match lobby with different options (like items/abilities On/Off, Special (and Special/Physical) splits On/Off, which Gen dex/moveset, etc.). I’ve always wondered what older metagames would look like some/all of the next Gen’s mechanical changes but without the new Pokemon (or possibly movesets) that came with. (I’m guessing that’d be way too complex to implement.)

[@JackLeighton-uh6sl]

technically this is all possible except for moveset, but if you are playing a friend its arrangeable

[@ErickOberholtzer]

Have they ever done a speedmons gamemode? Ive bern playing speed chess lately and think if ahowdown had a mode where you had to make a move in like 10 seconds each time it would be fun. Something where you dont have time to tab off and calc stuff.

[@депресијагејмер]

i feel like it wouldve been fair to allow one of the speed halving items once per team

[@Odragonkingo231]

"Physical Quiver Dance" Aka Victory Dance

[@Sceptiledagoat]

Torkoal : i would like to fucking differ

[@redwings13400]

One really interesting thing with this format is that it costs nothing to run minimum speed, so every pokemon can be assumed to run minimum speed while still putting all of their evs in to attack and bulk. You can know with certainty that your hatterene will speed tie other hatterene and outspeed the base 30 tier, which probably makes the prediction game feel a lot safer. Both players know from the start of the turn which pokemon is faster and which is slower, no meta games trying to figure that out or wondering if the opponent has speed investment. I’m not sure how that plays out in practice, but it’s interesting.

[@fathersky5]

Love the variety of formats this community comes up with.

[@Wetbread99]

6:50 To add to hatterene's dominant position in the meta with its min speed there are only a handle of Pokémon that can outspeed after 1 curse and if it is a 1v1 you have to sacrifice a turn in front of hatt's base 136 special attack stat most of the time it is a +sp atk nature and often holding life orb. As bulky as bozo and garg are (the curse users that need 1 curse to outspeed) they can't afford to give hatt that free turn. Mons with the base speed of 44 and below outspeed hatt after 1 speed drop while base 45 only gets to speed tie with hat after a speed drop. Anything faster than base 45 speed needs two speed drops like Conk and Ursaluna 2 of the best wallbreakers in the OM. These mons can't afford to use 2 turns against hatt using curse because they'll. Like someone on the forums said. Hatterene can beat almost every mon in this format in a 1 on 1, so if you have a set that can catch most meta mons and good mons in the back for hatt's counters you basically won. Unless rng is not in your favour.

[@Akumo69]

An interesting idea worth trying might be shell smash contrary shuckle with 5 base speed

[@vanessadavies123]

ppl still forget that shuckle is dexited lol

[@PallasTheNavigator]

I made it to a Freezai video!!! Ty for reminding me I still have a lot to learn about Pokémon Showdown

[@some1upyon]

""physical quiver dance" hisuian lilligant with victory dance crying in the background

[@bfc9467]

as soon as you mentioned the iron ball ban i immediately realised thats exactly what allows conk to be the biggest threat. not having to run an iron ball is what allows it to run flame orb

[@Lexi_TG]

ive been running a lead trick room focus sash deoxys attack and its pretty much always trades up, or at least 1 for 1 with how strong psycho boost and superpower are, especially because it doesnt need speed investment and can have 252 in both attack stats. espeed gives it potential value outside of trick room, and after it dies theres another few turns of trick room for something like rampardos to be extremely threatening. probs one of the most fun OM's ive played.

[@joacohammer08]

Old title was... something. I can't remember what it was and it's driving me insane.

[@Marrrrley]

You definitely can make a half speed item work, it'll require some silly rules though but I think it gives enough fun strats. Just ban all of those but one and the you can place the item clause and it'd be so interesting. You could make a 30+ speed sweeper work thanks to it, or you could play mind games with your 30 speed sweeper with the 50/50 of having Iron Ball or not. I'd say it's worth the unconventional ban.

[@crystalqueen9711]

You know, I'd actually want to see an itemless metagame just as an experiment

[@ianjordan8964]

Well there's gen 1 if you want to see how that works at all but I'm guessing you mean stemless modern

[@paulelderson934]

​@@ianjordan8964Wow wow slow down there, were talking about removing items. Not about removing any decent lvl up moveset, any decent utility, fair sleep mechanics, fair freeze mechanics, physical special split or even special defense/offense split.

[@Kuch303]

Meh, it would probably just be hazards stacking spam since no one has boots, unless they ban hazards in that meta.

[@robertofratello5203]

that looks potentially quite boring, likely there won't be significantly different than OU in pokèmon and movesets. But it would be an interesting experiment nonetheless

[@crystalqueen9711]

@@paulelderson934 You say that as if RBY isn't my jam

[@justarandomdood]

Ok I've only read one comment so far, about the lvl 100 clause. I'm really hoping that there's no "can't use the *_move_* Trick Room" clause so that you can just use TR yourself and then run a normal team after that because that would be genuinely hilarious

[@mhx5071]

At the end its mentioned that trick room puts the speed order back to normal but it's not used much because high speed mons are generally frail

[@justarandomdood]

@mhx5071 yeah, I saw that later, I'm glad my prediction was correct but it makes sense that it's a niche strategy because TR itself is niche in singles in the first place lol

[@JackLeighton-uh6sl]

@mhx5071 just you wait until caly-s gets unbanned

[@vincentcircharo8259]

@@justarandomdood trick room in this format is EVEN MORE niche than trick room in normal singles. because in normal singles, youre at least rewarded for using trick room by having your slow bulky mons become fast, bulky, AND strong, which can then easily blast through the fast and frail opposing team, whereas in this format your're jumping through a hoop to set up trick room just to use mons that are worse than what you can use outside of it, and those fast mons have to deal with getting through a much bulkier team.

[@paddythelegend1671]

Now I need to see a meta where Power Trick is always in play

[@zeusalternative1270]

I just love the idea of going with a team with regular speed and trick room.

[@kevinseraphin5456]

Ok ok ok, hear me out: Sticky web against the magic bounce hatterene.

[@saltlakeatrocity9771]

Man, this format with natdex would be something. Stakataka, power trick shuckle, mega camerupt, slow start regigigas, and surely a ton of others.

[@goreangel1258]

Another fascinating point is how Body Slam is actively discouraged because of paralysis, which can win the enemy the speed tie. In a meta without the reliable Frustration/Return and the chance that Body Slam gives your enemy an edge rather than detriment, its unique that there are so few normal moves in the tier! Trapinch is also far better with the Iron Ball Clause because few mons are slower than it with a -1 speed buff, meaning its able to run Choice Band and do some major damage in an otherwise bulky metagame

[@DPedro3]

Mega camerupt watching from a distance wishing it could play

[@nerddwarf]

Victory Dance Trick Room + Curse = Victory Dance

[@IDontHavANameLoL]

Can't believe he didn't even mention ursaluna once

[@MrLightningDood]

This format shows what would happen if either Victory Dance or Quiver Dance where given to already crazy strong pokemon.

[@Nako3]

The first thing that comes to my mind is that Hatterene is basically Tapu Lele in this format.

[@fangjiunnewe3634]

I wonder if there are active metas for the more exotic battle formats like inverse battles, triple battles, rotation battles etc. it'd be interesting to take a look

[@leucminh440]

we can use sticky web when the opponent is haat its kinda like a weaker but infinite verson of tailwind

[@spectrummike]

Talk about creative masterpieces of Godly Gift

[@Lzpoke]

Freezai: there is no perfect pokemon Pre nerfed zacian: what did you say?

[@ryankerr7318]

I want to see a new ability that sets up trick room on switch in, just like the Tapu’s with terrain.

[@atwer]

4:10 "That's a physical Quiver Dance" So, a Victory Dance?

[@basicdraw2185]

I wonder how good Cures H-Decidueye is in this format🤔

[@gearfriedtheswmas]

When you want so much to use a waifu pokemon you invent a whole new game meta.

[@Eroil]

If only Stakataka was here to see this.. I'm crying for my boy

[@JoeSmith-db4rq]

3:48 yooo CTC reference! Black Sludge Bisharp will always live in infamy ✊

[@mgrager3612]

There is no perfect Pokémon. unless you're Incineroar

[@the-angel-of-light-gardevoir8]

To explain why hatterene is ridiculous You have insane special stats - with ridiculous speed and actual bulk to boot, along with magic bounce.

[@FedoraReshiramGaming]

as a Hatterene main, i approve of this idea~

[@servine1212]

Salamence and Lando break the rules of pokemon. Salamence is pretty fast at base 100 with Dragon dance. Its bulk is middling untill you read its ability and typing (dragon is good defensively). Its also an offensive monster from both side of the spectrum.

[@MyHandleIsAplaceholder]

Tfw torkoal is acting like primal groudon (but weak to water) in ou

[@papertiger4525]

Another interesting nuance in the trade-off of offense, defense, and speed is how EVs are allocated. Normally, if you have a faster, more frail attacker, you have to debate how much you actually want to allocate into those stats. If you want to completely max out your speed, you need just about half your EVs to do so, and occasionally your nature as well. Here, a speed down nature is a buff, and you reach maximum with ZERO EVs. It basically grants you a no-downside nature and another 252 EVs to use, and it takes out the mind game of speed tiers, because there’s no reason NOT to make something as slow as physically possible while teambuilding.

[@vanessadavies123]

Slow pivots usually run 31 evs so they can pivot better. Sometimes even an extra 4 evs

[@monkeman8759]

Melmetal with double iron bash looking DEVIOUS rn

[@GeorgeDCowley]

5:21 So what's the other thing that beats it?

[@yeetuszilla1663]

Power trick shuckle boutta go crazy

[@grunkleg.2934]

1:02 I wouldn't say that's entirely true. Just because something doesn't have sub-40 Speed doesn't make it bad in this format, especially if they've already got strong traits. Hisuian Samurott has good viability in spite of its 85 Speed, due in part to Ceaseless Edge, its wide array of support tools, and the ability to slow pivot. Gholdengo is still the best removal blocker in spite of its 84 Speed. Lando-T is considered good due to traits like its typing and movepool. And of course priority users like Raging Bolt and Rillaboom are as effective as ever.

[@PronominalTerra439]

meanwhile regieleki just ignores trick room at a certain point

[@Ludovicus444]

Mega mawile would go crazy in this if it still existed

[@nlb137]

Trapinch looks like a better Dugtrio. Same attack and it's actually bulkier (still frail, just slightly less so) since it can invest EVs into it. And since scarf doesn't exist and it doesn't need it, it can hold a sash or a damage item to put it's attack ahead as well.

[@Spiceitwithred]

it'd be so funny if shuckle was in gen 9, Contrary Shell Smash will double your speed, AND do a cosmic power, with trapping moves like infestation, and my crack idea, bait in hatterene to magic bounce a sticky web onto your side of the field, gets toxic, rest, if you want to hate out hatterene, sludge bomb to work as a bounce-proof poison, etc etc

[@daxdleader719]

The more I see zamazenta used in ou the more I think it’s fast bulky and strong and we’ve never had a mon like this before

[@MeLoener]

Maybe you could cover Partners in crime next

[@howdoiturnssj3]

Hold on, I'm sensing a funny strat where you bait the enemy hatterene in then sticky web YOURSELF.

[@TrefleeFL]

That would be hillarious ! Unfortunately, I think this might be too predictable, there aren't a ton of Pokémon with access to sticky web, ans the ones who have like Araquanid will probably force a switch.

[@jamesonmcmullan5722]

I'd love to see a video on shared power if you haven't made one yet!

[@metalsonic3174]

4:12 “physical quiver dance” you mean victory dance?

[@thecreationist3216]

splashmons every pokemon has to run splash as their 4th move and the first time you switch a pokemon in splash gets randomized to any move in the game but it has the same pp as splash

[@xxmegagallade47]

3:42 yoo black sludge kingambit ctc reference

[@SnoFitzroy]

"ark type" I think he forgot the first E (and the accent mark in the thumbnail)

[@josephicikson1959]

Imagine if you could use Trick Room in this format to undo the reversal and have faster pokemon move first. Would anyone use this as speed control or to throw off opponents? Like regular trick room teams. Also would be nice if each team could have one Iron Ball user as a choice scarf equivalent

[@northdakotagamer]

This sounds like a Sunflora friendly meta

[@dracozeon_]

I wait for the day that theres a metagame where the physical special split isnt implemented similar to gens 1-3

[@basicdraw2185]

Hold on. Decidueye-H with Cures is basically a bulkier lilligant-H with victory dance and a move that can flinch Edit: Wait scratch that. He can’t learn it?? Don’t Rowlet and Dartrix get it?

[@GKplus8]

Nope, only regular Decid can learn it. Just in gen 7 it was an egg move for Rowlet, but that didn't carry to gen 9.

[@thenextdoor696]

Do NatDex 35 Pokes, it was on the OM ladder on October and I still play it post OM Ladder in their discord and ND Other Tiers showdown chat when they host roomtours!