WHAT IF Tywin Recognized Arya at Harrenhal | GAME OF THRONES

[@francisjamesjupiter9376]

What if Joanna Lannister didn't die giving birth to Tyrion (still waiting for this)

[@Karlandra]

Oh, yes please!! Do this one!

[@thisguy8106]

Yes!!

[@godemperorofmankind3.091]

the marriages go through. meaning Jaime and Elia, Cersei and Oberyn, Rhaegar and probably Ashara, brandon and Catelyn, robert and lyanna assuming theres no war still. if there is then Lannisters would be pretty invested on the side of the royalists

[@Stewie-josh2002]

The lannisters never sent their regards and all was happy in the realm the end

[@alastairwright187]

@god emperor of mankind Rhaegar would have married Cersei, meaning that lyanna never would have abandoned Bobby b, meaning his rebellion never would have happened

[@Mr.PepeSilvia]

One of the few changes from the books I didn't mind. The scenes with Maisie Williams and Charles Dance were incredible.

[@TheBattProductions]

Agreed -- magic.

[@ilbhaley79]

It kinda dumb in the books lord Bolton should know

[@extraplain2412]

@@ilbhaley79 I dunno I mean it's not like Roose was visiting Winterfell every year I don't think he would of seen her since she was a baby it at all really. He should of picked up on that she was a northerner (maybe he did I can't remember it's been a while since I read the books). Tywin and Arya was a much better pair up though.

[@Paradisio84]

Truth

[@extraplain2412]

@bw 1506 I think it was because of Jaqen H'gar or that Roose creeped her out but I can't be sure it's been a while since I read the books and after season 8 I don't really care to lol

[@joshpowell1045]

What if Ned never found out about Joffrey's parentage?

[@TheBattProductions]

I like this one my friend

[@joshpowell1045]

@@TheBattProductions thank you! Do you sell battproduction shirts?

[@oddpoppetesq.3467]

ive always wondered that... Maybe someone else got to a few of those ned spoke to, before ned does and those people "move away to essos" 😉😉.... would Robert have still passed the crown (in holding) to Ned and would the Lannisters, cersei in particular, have allowed it? Or could that have kicked off the WOT5K? Seen as stannis was already gunning for the lannisters (oh wait, would he still have declared war if no one knew joff was a bastard?) *SO MANY QUESTIONS* 🤔

[@randycrawford1132]

TheBattProductions I got theories about that one

[@walterthemighty7549]

Then Petyr would have poisoned Jon Arryn for nothing.

[@Karlandra]

I have to disagree on a few points, I don’t believe Tywin would take Arya back to King’s Landing, he’s not the type of man to put all of his eggs in one basket and Sansa is already there. I believe Arya would be sent to Casterly Rock and held captive by Keven with the intension of her being married off to either Tommen or a Lannister at some stage. Tyrion maybe, or Lancel, or even one of the twins. This inadvertently protects her from Joffrey through share tactics. Arya being bethrothed/married to Lancel would be interesting as it might prevent the High Sparrow from sinking his claws into Lancel, and completely stop that entire plot. I think Keven would treat Arya kindly enough, which would prevent her from killing herself, and Hot Pie might even manage to join the group going to Casterly Rock, maybe giving her one friend. The girl still owes three names, assume she used the first one, but the situations to use the other two never happened, I see her eventually choosing Cersei and Joffrey - this completely changes the story.

[@ticket_puncher]

I think tywin would give arya to the boltons like how he does in the book after the red wedding fake arya

[@alphariusomegon3965]

What if olenna Tyrell was at renly camp and ask catyln to unite house Tyrell by having Margery marry Robb after renly death

[@carolynairington4830]

That would've made great tv ☺️☺️☺️

[@terellchapman8737]

Olenna and Cat what a couple

[@komal146]

Robb and margaery ...uhh picture perfect couple

[@perun3706]

@@komal146 He's commander and she is politician. They would be successful.

[@sarcasticsid5589]

Robb never wanted to be King of the 7 Kingdoms just the North. Margery would never just settle for Queen of the North She wanted to be Queen of the 7 Kingdoms. Remember she didn't want to be a Queen, she wanted to be THE QUEEN. Robb would never leave the North and Margery would never move there. It just wouldnt work. If she was smart Olenya would have sought out Dany and tried to marry Loras to her. That would have been the ally Dany needed to cross the over to Westros.

[@PeaceOfMind8190]

*WHAT IF SHIREEN WASNT BURNED* I believe her life was traded for Jon’s

[@Rensune]

Jon stays Dead, and Westeros, if not the world, falls.

[@robpolaris7272]

She would have been killed after the battle by the Boltons or she would have fled to the wall and Jon would have protected Selyse and Shireen. Ramsey may have attacked the wall or sent 20 men to sneak in at night.

[@imember7375]

What if jon didn't kill daenerys What if the assassin killed Catelyn and Bran What if daenerys stayed in essos What if tywin was captured instead of jamie What if rhaella lived What if brandon stark didn't die

[@jesseogden9596]

Tywin being captured is intriguing as fuck

[@TheBattProductions]

Oh YEAHHH I member!

[@oddpoppetesq.3467]

oh hell. If I caught Tywin id kill him on the spot, or Jaime, they are way to dangerous and cunning to be bargained away or let go....... no siree i do not fancy a dagger in the neck one day, or a bolt to the heart while enjoying a number 2 😉

[@oddpoppetesq.3467]

The assassin one is a very intriguing one. Surely if the catspaw was succesful, no one would ever know it was the Lannisters/Baelish behind it. Ned would obviously go back north, in turn probably never uncovering Joffreys real parentage.... other than those couple of ideas i honestly cant think of much else that would change (other than Lorences horse still having a head)

[@JRF1004]

i member What do you mean by “What if Brandon Stark didn’t die”🤔 Did you meant Ned Stark?

[@VIO__]

If this happened then there wouldn’t be anyone to tell Jon that Daenerys is a killer after she razed King’s Landing. Oh my.

[@littlelordfuckleroy3822]

she knows a killer when she sees one lmao

[@AndreaHa]

But she is his kweeen

[@BlazeBuds]

The only time I didn't like Jon Snow was when he was simping for Dany, it was cringe

[@debrajenkins5390]

Arya would be given to Tommen. When of age, sent to Casterly Rock to assume the continuation of the line. Tywin liked her and saw her potential leadership skills.

[@TheBattProductions]

And I don't disagree that this could be the plan, but I don't think Arya would ever actually go. Kind of like when she had the choice to be with Gendry, she just couldn't stay "caged"

[@LanMandragon1720]

@@TheBattProductions To be fair I doubt it would be as cage as Tommen was a timid dude. Who Araya could easily 100% dominate to an absurd degree. Likely without him even realizing that it was going on even. Anyway your stuffs great subscribed.

[@Footielad]

Thats a waste. The lannisters would already have the north through Sanaa.

[@shiobirangerblue2224]

I aways thought that Tywin saw a logical and cunning degree of ruthlessness that was not present in any of his children. As such he would want to close Arya in the Lannister fold by wedding Arya to his heir of Casterly Rock Tommen Baratheon. Or some other Lannister if the purple wedding still occurs. Barring that Arya could be offered to the Tyrells over Sansa because she is of a great house, but not the heir to Winterfell.

[@TheBattProductions]

Fair -- trying to wed her to Tommen would be a great idea. Admittedly, I don't think she'd ever end up being married to anyone anyway since Arya isn't the type to just accept that I think and couldn't handle Joff's torture for long.

[@miracledraw6868]

You should read a fanfiction called a wolf amongst lions it's very much like what you said here in your comment

[@HB-ey2dk]

Wait, Tommen isnt/wasn't heir to Casterly Rock right?

[@MrEvers]

@@HB-ey2dk With Jaimie in the King's Guard, Tyrion being refused, and Joffrey being king, Tommen is Tywin's next male heir. Then again, he could also be considerred the heir to Storm's End, which would seem more logical as a "Baratheon". Kevan and later Lancel could lay claim to Casterly Rock instead. (After Tommen becomes king, and Tywin dies, the point becomes moot)

[@Badgerbadger1]

@@MrEvers I think Tywin would have just used Tommen to remove Jaime from the. Kingsguard, and then married him off.

[@warden851]

What if Jaime Lannister’s character arc ended well? Or better yet your ideal end for Jaime Lannister

[@commanderdanielcousland9981]

Kills Cersi as she burns down kings landing to keep the nights King away. After killing her, the Night King and 7 of his white walker royal guards walk in, extinguishing the wildfire, and butchering Jamie and then raising him and Cersi back to life to live forever as his undead slaves.

[@godemperorofmankind3.091]

I had him die protecting the Stark sisters at the Battle of Winterfell, in one of my fanfics

[@rishu4982]

@@godemperorofmankind3.091 what’s the name of the fanfic?😀

[@godemperorofmankind3.091]

@@rishu4982 Power of the Queens

[@als3022]

Honestly, I thought his end was what his character would have wanted. He even stated it bluntly before. He wanted to die in Cersei's arms. A youtuber phrased it best, we spent so much time thinking of what we wanted to happen to Jamie, we forgot what he wanted.

[@kinghoenn3478]

Tywin would never give Arya to the boltons. It would threaten the Lannester's claim on the north through Sansa and Tyrion. Tywin would need to keep both sisters firmly in grasp so their is a very high chance she would be married off to one from his house. At the very best she would married off to Tommen.

[@BlazeBuds]

Except in the books the Boltons think they have Arya and Ramsey is married to her, not Sansa

[@joshpowell1045]

What if Rob sides with Stannis?

[@DrRockso1987]

He actually covered this one in a different video. kzbin.info/www/bejne/aKOkaYqYq6yUq5o

[@meenda7031]

There is a fanfic "A Wolf Amongst Lions" by Kallypso that explores this idea. It's a pretty fun read. It was just recently completed, with 108 chapters.

[@TheBattProductions]

Holy hell.

[@lacym9278]

Definitely worth a read, the ending is so much better than what we got. You'd love the final battle

[@joshpowell1045]

What if Robert found out Jon was a targaryen?

[@leomorissette7753]

Jon dies

[@joshpowell1045]

@@leomorissette7753 unless ned protects him

[@AnimeKat8849]

He wanted to kill the pregnant Daenerys lmao dude would have had his head

[@adamgrunther1367]

Would Tommen have been a possible choice for Arya being forced to marry?

[@TheBattProductions]

Well eventually yes, but Arya would've been killed (killer herself) in my mind before that would've been possible.

[@ladyfoxwf1075]

They were both cubs 😂 Arya was like 2 years older than Tommen And much like Margaery, she would control the relationship, although Cersei wouldn’t be happy. I think Arya would have opened his eyes a bit. Maybe Arya would kill Joffrey before the Tyrell’s even do, and that would get her killed.

[@joshpowell1045]

What if Ned bend the knee to Joffrey?

[@HawaiiBlueMermaid]

John Stark before or after he told Stannis of Joffrey’s parentage?

[@joshpowell1045]

@@HawaiiBlueMermaid good point. Probably after

[@AceKimiChan]

Since we're doing show only what ifs, what if Cersei poisoned herself and her kids during the Battle of Blackwater?

[@AceKimiChan]

@Blake Hunt No, I meant when Stannis attacked King's Landing and got blown up with Wildfire. In the show Cersei thought that Stannis would win and prepared poison for her and her children to drink rather than be taken captive.

[@BlazeBuds]

Was only Tomlin, her daughter was already sent to Dorne, Tyrion made sure to get her out before this battle

[@petermatthews3729]

I was always sure that Tywin recognized Arya when he got to King's Landing and found out Arya Stark had escaped, that's why he was so angry. Tyrion did not find out she had escaped until Cersei told him when he arrived in King's Landing to be Hand. He had figured out most of her secrets, that she was a girl, that she was a Northerner, that she had been taught to read.

[@BlazeBuds]

Had he even seen her before? Robert and Ned hadn't seen each other for years I don't think, something was said about 12 years

[@joshpowell1045]

What if Ned sides with Renly?

[@PeaceOfMind8190]

Stannis still shadow baby kills him. He takes the Throne by right but Ned is Alive and will Knell to him this Time NEDD FUCKING UMBER WOULDNT INFLUENCE ROB TO SECEDE. Rob and the North will have Jaime but Tywin no leverage against the crown/north besides the Tyrell’s decision to join Stannis or not after he kills his brother. The wildcard is little-finger and the Tyrells and if the offer to marry into the lannisters is the best question but Stannis could use the leaches against Joffrey or Tywin using Kings blood. Stannis hopefully would not kill Ned as he needs allies, ALLY with DORNE and with Jamies son captive Tywin would sue for peace. The northern threat would be taken more seriously but lastly....*DANNY/TYRION/VARYS* The red woman would eventually convince Stannis they need her for the WW but Tyrion is that missing peace really. Hopefully Danny doesn’t die in Meereen SOTH style then no dragons for the war just wild animals then game over but if so, and no Varys Tyrion then....EURON will help Danny and she will probably kill him after she beats Stannis. A pact must be needed somehow but STANNIS AND DANNY WILL BE a tougher battle but eventually I think Danny will Win. Keep Ned alive and force the North (EVERYONE) to join her against the threat. Tywin would then ask for Jaime or even Tyrion (if captive also) to marry her but we know she’ll do to Jaimie. Arrya has no journey but if Ned/RedW/Stannis/Danny have her trained by fate then maybe she can kill him Bran will go north by fate regardless somehow. And Jon...dead unless Thoros could revive him.

[@PeaceOfMind8190]

Basically Danny VS Stannis but who has more allies and who switches sides over the other.

[@thechosenone1533]

Why do you think Arya commit suicide? She's too strong to just give up like that. She's most likely to be killed after she tries to kill Joffery or Cersei.

[@ladyfoxwf1075]

krishna murthy I think so too... unless she was being tortured by Joffrey or especially Ramsay... if she was married off to Ramsay, killing her self was a possibility.

[@nowgoawayanddosomethinggoo8978]

arya: you want me to assassinate your grandson joffrey? tywin: categorically

[@EANDM71]

I’m convinced that he knew or suspected it was Arya.

[@TheBattProductions]

Why are you convinced? I don't think there's a chance he'd ever let her get away if he did.

[@EANDM71]

TheBattProductions It’s just hard to believe that Tywin was so stupid. He knew Arya was missing. He had to have known or suspected a semi-high born girl who lied about her house and who can read. He probably didn’t know; I just found it hard to believe.

[@TheBattProductions]

@@EANDM71 I won't disagree that he should've known, but I don't think you can believe he'd let Arya out of his sight if he knew she was there.

[@ladyfoxwf1075]

SportsFan_9630 Also he must have seen her before?

[@Brandonhayhew]

What if Jon won the iron throne and became King?

[@cloegemmel7177]

I disagree with your opinion about Jaqen H'ghar. While I don't think he would have followed Arya out of concern, I do think that he would have followed her and Tywin to Kingslanding in order to find out which final life she wants to give to the Red God. He believes that the Red God is entitled to a life and that Arya has to be the one to choose. His beliefs aren't just something that would be thrown away so easily

[@taycarroll1124]

What if Daenerys stayed in Essos?

[@nicholasschnider5192]

I wonder that myself, if somehow Tyrion convinces her to stay there, be interesting. So happy the what if videos are back I missed them.

[@TheShinyDwarf1]

What if Danerys was pregnant with Jon's baby she had a baby bump and everything, and she still destroyed Kings Landing would this change Jon's mind into killing her? how would this play out?

[@bmcoyne88]

What if Oberyn was successful in killing the Mountain, without himself being killed?

[@TheBattProductions]

I did this one once, but I want to update it! :)

[@Wi-Fi-El]

It would be interesting if both died. The mountain was already on death's door when he got zombified, so it would be possible for Gregor to simply expire

[@noratheweeb9387]

Honestly, I agree with him not wanting to take her back to king's landing. He wouldn't want to risk Joffery doing something stupid. Knowing that idiot, he'd execute or torture her for that standoff back in early season 1 where she held him at sword point. Tywin is too smart to just allow him to do that. Doing so would pretty much Garuntee Jaime's death. Rob would not, under any circumstances, tolerate the execution or torture of his sister. Yes, Sansa was tortured in a way, but I fully believe Arya's torture at Joffery's hands would be the brutal bloody kind, not the mainly psychological kind. The kind Arya gets from Joffery would garuntee that Tywin see's Jaime's head on the tip of a spear. He would not risk putting another Stark in Joffery's hands. Especially not one the marriage-pact wouldn't keep him from harming in a permanent way. He already knows Circe can't control Joffery, and adding Arya to Tyrion's plate would complicate things too much and he knows this. Tyrion could not protect both Sansa and Arya and Tywin would never trust that he could even if Joffery was not a factor. One side thing tho, if Arya had a name left, Jakken may at least kill Tywin for her. That or she could again blackmail him like she did in the show by giving him his own name. Whether or not Jakken would aave her would depend entirely on if she had a name left to give. And if she couldn't successfully blackmail him, Arya is loyal enough to her family ahe would probably give him her name. Have him take her out so she couldn't be used against Rob.

[@kathleenc4040]

Welcome back!!! I hope you have been doing well. Cant wait to watch more of your videos

[@TheBattProductions]

Thanks my friend! :)

[@tylerflynn8820]

What if Robert never died in the red wedding

[@alphariusomegon3965]

There a fanfic some guy wrote about this called a wolf amongst lions

[@jaybird8192]

What if Dumb & Dumber weren't the one's who wrote the final seasons??

[@biernedog]

Good to see you again, man. Anytime I hear kibosh in a vid, I have leave a like. Suggestion, What if Barriston (RIP) was around for the conclusion of season 8? What would his reaction be to finding out about Jon?

[@dcell2216]

Great to see another fun "What IF?" scenario!! :)

[@TheBattProductions]

I'm glad to have one back for you! :)

[@jesseogden9596]

What about the three lives Jaqen owned Arya, would she use that to try and escape, maybe even warn Robb of the red wedding

[@joshpowell1045]

What if Jon never found out who his parents were?

[@aranelangel]

Ultimately it ended up being unimportant anyway, so probably everything's the exact same, except he never recoils from Daenerys. The end would probably remain similar because if nothing else, Jon's not about to let her raze the entire world.

[@izuela7677]

@@aranelangel Daenerys would not feel threatened by him. And Varys may not have turned on her, if he never found out. That might be enough for Daenerys to not be so fed up with Westeros that she starts intentionally burning civilians.

[@HawaiiBlueMermaid]

Izuela agreed! If Jon never knew of his parentage, he would have never rejected Dany and he would have been her saving grace, her last protector from her worst inclinations!

[@alanawrisley2860]

Lol there really was not much of a point of the coolest twists of one of the coolest character...man they did my boy wrong....I mean they did EVERY CHARACTER wrong.. except theon. Theon had the really only good full arc

[@HawaiiBlueMermaid]

Alana Wrisley I totally agree with you! Theon had the best fulfilling story arcs! Sam’s was nice for his character, but Season 8 was terribly rushed and kept it from being fulfilling!

[@shockwave3004]

What if Roose Bolton died when he raided Tywins part of the army

[@knivesmillions2913]

Its still unrealistic how he didn't recognize her in the first place...he knew Arya Stark was missing due to being in contact with Kings Landing (Tyrion to be more specific) and yet he comes across a high born girl posing as a peasant in the riverlands and yet he doesn't connect the dots.

[@mariavi33]

Did he know that she was missing? Either way he had never met her before. How was he supposed to recognise her?

[@knivesmillions2913]

Tyrion was in contact with Tywin when he was hand of the king. Tywin wanted to be informed about what was happening in the capital that's one of the reasons why he told Tyrion to fill in for him as hand of the King.

[@TimSnead223]

Don’t forget that Arya got the jitters when Littlefinger visited Tywin about his proposal to join forces with the Tyrells at Harrenhal. Baelish almost recognized her.

[@TheBattProductions]

I think it's fair to say he should've been more suspicious. I'd have to imagine he knew she was missing and it would've seemed odd that he didn't question her just a little bit more. Good point.

[@mariavi33]

Tim Snead Arya met Baelish at least one, just a couple months ago. Thats why there was a high chance he would recognise her.

[@sanderlinproductions2816]

Tywin Lannister would be there with Arya and so, Tywin Will Not let Joffrey do anything like that to her and Tywin will have no problem telling Joffrey No even if he is the King. Tywin is the true power behind the throne until his death.

[@Psycho-Sim]

What if the night king killed drogon instead of viserion

[@paranoiawilldestroyya3238]

3:35: the Lannisters didn't let her disappear at Ned's execution; she went to ground long before that.

[@walksaselk40]

It has always seemed odd to me that he never pieced that together

[@andrewward5891]

Yeah Tywin figured out she was northern and high born and he knows Arya Stark is missing (and Harrenhall is between king’s landing and Winterfell). But if the show had him recognize her it would have been a big departure from the books (where Tywin and Arya never met).

[@johnlocke1279]

Personally, I’d think Tywin would send Arya to Casterly Rock rather than just keep her in his army. He’d never bring her to King’s Landing due to how batshit crazy Joffrey was and how much he hated her. Joffrey would have had her killed. I could also see the marriage proposal to Sweet Robin.

[@hammyhamster8349]

Late to this video but I can't agree Jaqen would've abandoned her remembering how dangerous the kill of Amory Lorch was. You can argue show Jaqen may be somewhat less committed than in the books but assuming Tywin jails her I'm sure he would contact her and release her as she did him or at least kill a guard. At this point she'd be focused on Tywin so for her 2nd or 3rd kill she'd probably do the right thing & name Tywin. Actually I'm not sure this would change much as Kevan seems a competent enough commander & once Blackwater Bay happens I think the game is up for the North taking King's landing regardless of what then happens at The Twins.

[@Gabriela-pi9zt]

What if Tywin loved Tyrion? I think the Lannister's would have been unstoppable

[@godemperorofmankind3.091]

Whys that? because if that was the case, then he would have probably agreed to let Tyrion go live at the Rock. he goes down either way because Oberyn would poison him and Cersei would still have fucked up King's Landing

[@TH3DUDE0075]

I think he would definitely imprison her but he would imprison her in a very comfortable room in Casterly rock where she is well fed, taken care of, but also useful as a bargaining chip, and if she is never traded to Rob for any reason he would eventually marry her off to whoever would bring his house the most wealth/power. I do not think he would be rough with or abuse her. He doesn’t have to as just holding her is a threat enough. He is not a sadist like Joffrey.

[@andrewward5891]

I agree. Like Tyrion protected Sansa from Joffrey I think Tyrion would protect Arya from Joffrey. Tywin seems to like Arya better then his own kids. I could see Tywin even occasionally meeting with an imprisoned Arya to pick her brain about how to deal with troublesome northerners

[@ArkhamDeluxe]

I don't think it would end like this, I think the Hound would make the same offer to Arya as he did for Sansa to take her when he leaves kings landing to Rob and she will agree

[@TheBattProductions]

Well remember: The Hound left before Tywin made it to King's Landing. Arya wouldn't have been there for the Hound to make the offer.

[@taxtact7263]

Peter Baelish definitely noticed her. I think he may have informed Tywin and Tywin decided to send her elsewhere(he knew she was clever enough to escape). I think Tywin knew, but he built a strong fondness for her(she did for him as well). Peter Baelish definitely recognizes her and probably informed Tywin off-screen.

[@hammyhamster8349]

I think it's made clear that Petyr has noticed from something he says in King's Landing.

[@colbycovington4541]

This twelve minute video is better than the entire season 8

[@TheBattProductions]

Haha. I can't even argue. I know I'm bias since it's my video, but season 8 just....wasn't good.

[@lindar1698]

Thanks Kev, always enjoy your videos 😊

[@HawaiiBlueMermaid]

What if Rob Stark married the Frey Girl Roslyn?

[@TheBattProductions]

I like that one!

[@bestabhinav]

I think Tywin would've forced Arya to marry Tommen. This way he would've controlled both Tyrell and Stark factions

[@TheBattProductions]

It's a possible idea, but I do think she'd kill herself rather than get married. Arya is the stubborn type!

[@bestabhinav]

@@TheBattProductions I feel she would kill or try to kill Tommen and flee. If caught would be executed though. I don't picture Arya to be someone who'll commit suicide

[@samuelbedsole5089]

An potential path I think you may have overlooked is the potential of Arya being married off to Tyrion after Tywin returns to King's Landing. Consider: Tywin planned to marry a Stark to Tyrion to get him out of control. What irony it would be to pair the lesser child of House Lannister with the lesser child of House Stark, and at the same time still having the much more appealing bargaining chip that is Sansa Stark. Perhaps Sansa could even have pleaded with Tyrion to marry Arya if not to save her from being sent off with Ramsay Bolton. Of course with Arya married to Tyrion she would be relatively safer from Joffrey's wrath should she speak out of turn in front of his grace. There is also the possibility of her recognising Varys after hearing him in the chambers of the Red Keep, which could open a few doors with Varys trying to keep her quiet, or perhaps using her as a pawn in his own little game. And should the Queen of Thornes catch wind of her dislike for Joffrey, she may also use that to her advantage. With Arya being paired with Tyrion a few new doors could be opened up. Thought it is very unlikely this ever would have happened. But something to think about.

[@TheBattProductions]

Samuel Bedsole I didn’t overlook it necessarily: I just didn’t think it was an outcome. Since Sansa was the key to the North (as far as anyone knew), it made most sense to have Tyrion marry her instead of Arya.

[@samuelbedsole5089]

@@TheBattProductions I knew it was a long shot.

[@mijanhoque1740]

What if Robb Stark hired The Golden Company, the 20 thousand men and war elephants during the war of the 5 kings? Would it be enough or helpful to change the tides?

[@arthurbriand2175]

And the company of the roses

[@HawaiiBlueMermaid]

mijan hoque well....the size of his army wasn’t the thing that did him in!

[@mijanhoque1740]

Blue Mermaid It did though, it’s the main reason why he went to walder frey for help as he needed more men to take casterly rock due to the karstark men abandoning him.

[@HawaiiBlueMermaid]

mijan hoque well... Rob’s downfall was him not listening to his seasoned advisors! If he did, he would have kept Lord Karstark alive and retained his army. Then he wouldn’t have needed the Frey army. If he had married the Frey girl, then his first mistake of killing Karstark would have at least been remedied! So it really wasn’t the size of his army that lead to his downfall! His decisions were!

[@mijanhoque1740]

Blue Mermaid Well yeah it was his decisions which contributed to the gain and loss of troops he had. If he hadn’t made a ton of mistakes he would have kept the karstark and Frey men but due to his decisions he lost both. Anyway my question wasn’t to do with any of that, it was what if he hired the golden company and managed to get them to westeros right after the lannister&tyrell alliance or after the battle of Oxcross. The Northmen & Golden Company plus war elephants is an awesome combo.

[@jeanpaulsinatra]

Also, what if they gave Dany literally any reason whatsoever to go crazy? Like, seriously, anything. You can even do a scenario where she has no beer and no tv

[@TheBattProductions]

Bahahah whatttttt

[@jeanpaulsinatra]

@@TheBattProductions No beer and no tv makes Daenerys something something.

[@The_Custos]

She has been batshit for a long time.

[@troyc7726]

Glad these back I miss GOT soo much man

[@TheBattProductions]

I'm glad to have them back for you Troy! :)

[@jac1111]

Jaqen H’ghar is not a cheap assassin - I think he was being sent with that pack up to the Night’s Watch probably to kill Ned (when the plan was to send him to the Wall) on the way or at some point. Once he pays Arya/Lord of Life back for the saved lives (which was solely incidental) he heads off on his next mission at the Citadel.

[@kenroykentish4641]

What if Jamie was respected as a hero for killing the Mad King rather being called Kingslayer and be negatively deprised by others

[@The_Custos]

Yeah, glad you are back to these.

[@pacmac79]

1) What if Jon comes south with Ned, Sansa & Arya...witnesses the Arya vs Joffrey "duel" and both he & Sansa report their stories honestly? 2) What if Joffrey dies during the Battle of Blackwater Bay? 3) What if Jon Arryn knows who murdered him & the truth Cersei's children and, before he dies, he manages to get a letter off to Ned Stark knowing the King would go to him to become the next Hand?

[@jacobsauti3093]

This interaction was for the show only and therefore I don’t care after season 8

[@Hunting4knowledge]

Here's an idea. What if D&D didn't rush the story and how things could/should have been fleshed out to make the bullet points of the final season make sense.

[@TheBattProductions]

Sigh. I wonder...it would've been so much better...

[@erincampbell1782]

Ahhhh! Missed the what ifs videos yay!

[@TheBattProductions]

I iz back :)

[@rosanirodrigues557]

I don’t mind the ending where the Night King and the White Walkers win. 🥶

[@TheBattProductions]

Baha -- Why?!? It's so saddddd

[@rosanirodrigues557]

TheBattProductions More like fitting

[@TheBattProductions]

@@rosanirodrigues557 Fair

[@ScholaroftheCitadel]

Yoooo thx for bringing this back it's been a while man

[@reek3654]

On the books, she never even encountered Twyn Lannister. She saw him while at Harrenhal, but she never spoke to him or anything. She serves a man named Weese. After Weese is killed by Jaqin H'ghar and Tywin goes to Kingslanding, Roose Bolton takes Harrenhal and Arya becomes his server until she escapes. If she would have told Roose Bolton who she was on the books, she mightve reunited with Robb, but then she might have been at the Red Wedding and gotten killed. It would've been cool to see her and Roose Bolton interact on the show. She asks him a question about if she would go with him when he leaves and he gets mad at her, but answers the question, and he tells her that if she questions him again, he'd cut her tounge out.

[@davidf1281]

First, thanks so much for the video! Your Game of Thrones what-ifs are always fun for me! This one was quite interesting, and you have a point: Arya is such a big piece, although not one that you think of so much! Just some ideas here that I'd love to hear your take on, as you always do a wonderful job: What if Tywin was a good father? What if Cersei never existed? What if Ned Stark demanded a Trial by Combat before he confessed and was beheaded? What if Lysa was never pushed overboard by Littlefinger? These are just some thoughts. Thanks for all your videos!

[@trenchroad4185]

Glad ur still around.

[@TheBattProductions]

I'll be back around a lot more my dude! :)

[@trenchroad4185]

TheBattProductions r u going to post videos on the prequel? That would be awesome.

[@sleeeeeazy]

I think the story would have advanced very similar to what happens in the show. I know you argue that Jaqen H'gar doesn't really care about Arya saving him, but I think he does. The faceless men worship the god of death, and since Arya saved him and Rorge and Biter, he has to give back three lives to the god of death. Giving back three lives to death would be his way of serving the god of death. I also don't really think there is much of a Faceless men code, at least not one that tells him he must go back to Braavos, because in the books, Jaqen H'gar is rumored to be in Oldtown, instead of in Braavos; you said that he has to return to Braavos because of their code, but if he were in Oldtown he probably didn't need to go to back. He would follow her to King's Landing and she would escape with his help in a similar way, but I think instead she would go to Braavos with him, doing her training and then coming back to Westeros for the events of the last two seasons plus episode 10 of season 6. So in conclusion; this wouldn't really change very much. Also I really doubt that Arya Stark is the type of person to kill herself if that were to happen, I think she would just live with her injuries, as the season 6 Arya story-line demonstrates that you don't need eyes to fight. You don't really need a tongue to fight, either.

[@215770678]

What if Rhaenys Targaryen and Elia Martell survived

[@warrengouldthorpe5091]

What if renly sided with stannis and attacked kingslanding together with highgardens help, while rob stark sided with stannis as well and attacks tywins army at the same time

[@thegreenmanofnorwich]

IF Arya was discovered after saving Jacquen, then I think she would have given Tywin's name

[@Donjkoontz]

Arya would have 1 or perhaps 2 names left for Jaqen Hagar...so maybe Tywin is selected. Jaqen owed a debt...

[@TheBattProductions]

Not sure how easy it would be, but sure it's certainly possibly! :)

[@stewartbugler]

Before i watch this... If u watch over that scene do you really think he didn't know that was Arya Stark? Not only did she slip up after her called her out he gave her credit for how smart she was... He didn't want to send her back to Cersi he didn't trust Cersin

[@TheBattProductions]

Stewart Bugler He had no idea she was Arya. If he did, there’s noooooo chance he would’ve let her go. Tywin is ruthless when it comes to his family and the Starks had Jaime...at the very least he would’ve tried to trade her, but even then I doubt it.

[@stewartbugler]

@@TheBattProductions honestly if you look at how he acts and keeps Baelish from looking at his Cup bearer. As well as everything he says to Arya from the moment he meets her ... It's easy to see he had established it was Arya Stark by the last conversation. Baelish kinda confirmed it with his intrigue of her. He recognised her but he wasn't saying anything. Tywin was ruthless but he wasn't stupid. His last comment at how clever she was is somewhat a warning to keep her head down. If he wasn't sure on who she was then he would of most certainly tried to find out. As he knew Arya was missing at that point... and as I said not being an idiot he would of asked his men exactly where that girl came from before that last conversation they had. He even had good he didn't like sent to his quarters with cutlery set out for her. That scene is a collective tests to prove to himself she isn't Arya Stark... But all tests didn't just fail to remove his concerns but it didn't confirm them either she was impressive and Tywin respected that seeing his own Daughter's promise from when she was her age. Fantastic scene honestly rewatch it and you might get what I mean by every detail leading to his investigation into her

[@stewartbugler]

Something as well to note about watching that scene over... If u were to look at one thing consistently to find this brief I have. Then watch Tywin himself he doesn't really care what Peter has to say all eyes are on Arya even in the meeting before it's just Him Her and Baelish.

[@TheBattProductions]

Stewart Bugler Still doesn’t make sense ultimately - Tywin would never let a Stark out of his sight when they had his son

[@stewartbugler]

TheBattProductions yeh but she leaves the next day he wouldn't really have an option. I mean i agree with the video on what would of happened to Arya if she was sent to Kings landing... But thats what i meant by He wouldn't Trust Cersie and as much power he has he isn't the king. It makes sense that he would keep quiet and leave Arya hiding amongst the camp working right at his side during the days at Harenhall. He didn't have much chance to do anything about her escape he probably only heard of it by the morning when they realised the guards are posted to their posts.

[@c71score]

I've missed whati if vids, very pleasant surprise.

[@TheBattProductions]

I'm trying to get back up on my horse :)

[@tomservo5347]

In my own alternative storyline, the War of the Five Kings never happened because before the fallout with Ned's discovery, Arya literally bumps into Tywin while running around King's Landing and immediately takes a liking to her recognizing her intelligence. Wondering where Arya went, Ned soon heard giggling coming from Tywin's study where he finds Arya and Tywin laughing over Westeros' equivalent to the book 'The Prince' with Tywin explaining it's principles and Arya's quick wit making jokes over them. The only two people that could make Tywin laugh was his beloved wife, and Arya Stark. With this 'friend', Tywin would have smoothed things over with Ned and advised him in his Hand of the King job. (The two making a secret deal to keep the peace and keep the secret of Gendry's real father.) With this they would have recognized Littlefinger as the real immediate danger and fought his machinations as a team, also joining forces to combat the Night King later on. In the books anyway Tywin was ruthless, but also said if any enemy kneels before him and asks for peace he would grab their hand and help them up for pledging loyalty.

[@coffeeninja2852]

What if Yoren made it to the wall with Arya, Gendry, Hot Pie, Lommy and the rest?

[@coffeeninja2852]

and my opinion is that she gets sent back to Winterfell right away by Jon, and then basically takes on the Meera Reed role after Theon sacks it. The boys just join The Watch of course.

[@jamesjung8931]

Theres an amazing fanfic called A Wolf Amongst Lions that shows what might have happened.

[@TheBattProductions]

I'd check it out

[@whaledong2423]

Hey Kevin I’m 100% convinced that Tywin knew that it was aria he was clever enough not to make that known.

[@doti_77]

What's about Gendry? He would probably stay at Harrenhal. Melisandre curse-> didn't happen Meeting with Jon-> didn't happen Sending Daenerys S.O.S craw-> didn't happen

[@salma4193]

That’s the reason Sansa survived King’s landing in the first place. She knew what to say and how to please people emotionally.

[@TheBattProductions]

Pretty much! :) People didn't give her enough credit for this. They just saw her as a weak, useless girl. Sansa has always been amongst the strongest characters.

[@jeanpaulsinatra]

Eyyy what ifs are back. Just in time for me to forget all my what if ideas. Don't think it's show canon, but could you explore if Renly and Loras' plan to link Bob up with Marge worked out?

[@TheBattProductions]

Absolutely :)

[@richardjackson9584]

What is Balion Greyjoy and the rest of the iron Islands decided to support Robb Stark and become part of the Northern Territory with the greyjoys as the hereditary seat as wardens of the iron Islands......

[@TheBattProductions]

That's a pretty awesome one! I'll take a look :)

[@richardjackson9584]

@@TheBattProductions thank u 😊

[@nennejoh]

My thought was that Tywin would have sent a letter to robb stark to trade arya for jamie. I do think they wanted revenge as well, but the only person really guilty of any crime was joffery. Hopefully the letter would have arrived before the red wedding and they could have ended they war.

[@TheBattProductions]

I think that's a pretty fair outcome honestly that could've happened...all depends on if that darn letter would've arrived on time I suppose!

[@nennejoh]

@@TheBattProductions I think it would have. After harrenhall arya meets the hound, and they go on a long journey to the wedding. I surely hope a pidgeon wouöd be quicker than that😫

[@walterthemighty7549]

I'd like to think he did and just wasn't letting on.

[@TheBattProductions]

But why would he do that?

[@samjennings6998]

I absolutely do not think she would kill herself solely based on how much she took the what do we say to the god of death thing from syrio so early on, someone else would have to kill her she would not do it herself I just can’t see it

[@timothy7mddtmadden643]

What if Aerys was successful at burning down King's Landing?

[@TheBattProductions]

OooOOOo that's interesting to me :)

[@MrGrumblyBoi]

What if Tyrion wasn't born an imp?

[@void735]

A better question would be what if Jaquen Hagar kille tywin. Think that would change quite alot with The war

[@archivestudios8161]

At some points it looked to me as if Tywin at least suspected her to be arya stark

[@osadock17]

I don´t think Tywinn would give a Stark's daughter to any big house, is like given them a claim to compete against Tyrion for the north,the most likely thing to happen is give her to some Lanister like Tommen or maybe Lancel

[@TheBattProductions]

The claim wouldn't be all that great admittedly, but I can see your point for sure. Fair argument.

[@DoctorIncant]

Hey man have you done a what if the vale joins Robb stark at the beginning of the war of five kings? I think the presence of the knights of the vale during the battles would make a significant difference, and he wouldn’t need the freys or karstarks as bad.

[@TheBattProductions]

I actually haven't done that one! That's a great one. I'll think about it my friend :) Thanks, Doc!!!

[@mirgjankupi128]

if Jaqen still feels he owes her 3 lives I think he would still free her. He killed a lot of guards to get her out of Harrenhal in the show, it seems like it wouldnt cost anymore lives to do so on the way to KL (especially since hes already a Lannister soldier). I know thats not the route u wanted to go but if the cost of life is the same i dont see him acting diferently

[@danielmacdonald9287]

Let’s just be glad that Arya wasn’t found out. The potential paths her life goes if she does are...not good, to say the least.

[@carastone3473]

I call BS. Jon SHOULD have been the one to kill the night king. If other things changed without here, then there’s no reason the killer of the night king could change too.

[@jgamer2228]

What if Ned and Renly teamed up to stop Cersei after Robert died and Joff became Ned’s ward?

[@mellymel8474]

Thanks for this video. I have wondered this before...... now I know :)

[@johnmorris1009]

7.32: Lysa to Littlefinger; "Yoo hoo darling!" 😂

[@ryanelliott71698]

Here’s an idea, what if the show characters had their book stories and personalities?

[@TheBattProductions]

That's difficult truthfully. I can give it a go I suppose

[@ryanelliott71698]

TheBattProductions although I do like the Arya Tywin scenes. In the book Tywin would never really be a loving father to his kids since he was away from them a good chunk of their lives raised by wetnurses instead. Instead of being with Tywin, Arya is someone else’s servant who ends up on her death list. Same place of different areas