What if we install centrifugal clutches inside the rear wheels?

[@Garage54ENG]

Once again sorry about the blackout. Here's the re-uploaded video - kzbin.info/www/bejne/j3bIlKR5Z7CNm7M

[@feetfats1]

Why not delete this one ?

[@chrisparti]

for some reason the video went black towards the end. I would suggest lighter return springs on the brake shoes.

[@yannickl5976]

I see the same, after 10:18 nothing but black.

[@zetabola1]

Same

[@PiezPiedPy]

Me too

[@lord-REDACTED-]

Yup

[@MattBrownbill]

Me too...

[@rayceeya8659]

Alright, now you need to try a torque converter on each wheel.

[@TheReid2DecoderTech]

This comment needs more upvotes 👍👍👍

[@samsungtvset3398]

The original (but unimplemented ) design spec for the 1948 Tucker Torpedo had a torque converter in the hub of each rear wheel.

[@rayceeya8659]

@@samsungtvset3398 But how would reverse work?

[@whyjnot420]

@@rayceeya8659 If they are connected to the driveshaft via halfshafts or CV joints (or just stuck at the end of a solid axle), I don't see the problem. I can see issues, but how would it not work in principle?

[@donbrashsux]

Great suggestion for Vlad

[@-A-Hybrid-Skunk-Productions-]

Hey Garage 54. Loved the video from what I seen. It blacked out near the end. May you and your team please re-upload the video please. I'd love to see the full video . If it is ok

[@alejandrodelta8928]

Yeah, for me black out happens at 10:14...

[@kj4ilk]

10:15 for me but yeah

[@_M_O_E_]

same. glad to know it wasnt just my ancient laptop having issues. but i still want to see the rest

[@personnel5757]

same

[@Zommari]

same

[@soulwarrior7721]

10:16 it fades to black and never comes back...

[@VintageCR]

yep, i initially thought this was a youtube bug but even after 4 refreshes it continues to be black.

[@Boosted1981]

Yep...i wondered if i was the only one 🤣🤣

[@erkinalp]

Video missing after 10:15.

[@kasuraga]

ah dang...half the video is blacked out

[@qpSubZeroqp]

Why is that?

[@timothybayliss6680]

​@@qpSubZeroqpI dunno. I thought it was a Yt rendering issue

[@johngillon6969]

thank you i was terrified my compute was messed up.

[@str11pes]

Yeah ugh

[@DualKalibur]

Great experiment guys! Didn’t work as well as I expected but still works! Try a water bong for a muffler!

[@dennis-nz5im]

Bongs are probably illegal. Remember B Griner.

[@VannilaZero]

It’s Russia they can’t smoke weed

[@Sparky_D]

​@@VannilaZerothey don't need weed to make a bong...

[@VannilaZero]

@@Sparky_D the fact they have one could be bad for them knowing russia

[@raze38015]

Not a water bong.. A water filter muffler. I'm really surprised we don't already have them for emissions tbh

[@johnbelwell2461]

The problem is the open diff, when one goes to grip the other spins and loses its traction, should have used a welded diff but from what i can understand the brake shoes should have been weighted more

[@thecrazyfarmboy]

Open diffs don't send all power to one wheel though- it's always a 50/50 torque split. The difference is one may turn faster than the other, while applying the same amount of torque

[@DrGibs347]

10:16 in the goes black screen until the end. :(

[@colinstu]

Is the rear diff not welded? seems like only one wheel is smoking up.

[@rossbrumby1957]

Given the wobbling wheels indicating bad alignment of hubs to brake drums, I'd say one contacted better than the other so gripped sooner- being allowed to by the open diff.

[@emilschw8924]

A big shoutout to BMI Russian for translating these from Russki to Engliski 😊 👍 Appreciate the effort you guys do in translating this for us.

[@SwapBlogRU]

No problem. Sorry about the lack of image after about 10:14 though...

[@Jynxx_13]

@10:15 video goes black. Only sound.😒

[@Davide0033]

the editor fucked up or went for a blind inclusion style , but it's still a great video, and you still have a great editor

[@finnenjr]

what happends after 10:30? backscreen?

[@lescrooge]

Government censorship

[@DrGibs347]

​@@lescroogelol that would be the funniest thing I've ever heard if it was true.

[@jittychitty]

I love the randomness of your mechanical thoughts and ideas you guys come up with!

[@averagedev7768]

This channel will do everything i ever think of while i take a dump. Thanks guys you make my life better!!!

[@mann_idonotreadreplies]

Shit comment

[@teardowndan5364]

Add a 1kg steel chunk behind each brake shoe instead of a nut and you'll get ~5X the centrifugal force for a given RPM, should make this a whole lot more functional.

[@RubyRhod]

Define "work". This is a big heater (this the smoke). Changing mass won't change that.

[@teardowndan5364]

@@RubyRhod If you have 5X the mass being flung around at the "floating" end of the brake shoe, you get 5X the pressure being applied to the brake shoe for a given RPM or half the RPMs for about the same torque going through, which means half as much brake pad smoke being generated for a given amount of acceleration or twice as much accelerating before wearing out the pads.

[@RubyRhod]

​@@teardowndan5364 You are not wrong, but while you increase mass 5 times, you lower rpms that create a certain torque by sqrt(5) or about 2.2 times. So you "only" more than half the heat wasted/generated by the clutch. I would argue you need to lower energy wasted by 10 to 100 times. There is a reason why friction clutches of any type (and I would argue torque converters are in some way also a friction clutch) are meant to go at the highest rpm shaft in the drivetrain - usually directly at the engine.

[@teardowndan5364]

@@RubyRhod I didn't say that it would solve the problem, only that they'd get at least twice the usability out of it.

[@mann_idonotreadreplies]

@ruby cool story bro

[@fuzzy1dk]

black screen from about 10:17

[@honkie247]

When you used the brake shoes as a clutch disc it worked well because they were spinning at engine rpm. Now the rear wheels spin at engine rpm divided by rear axle ratio. Probably around 3.5:1 or 3.75:1.

[@rossbrumby1957]

Given the car is in 4th gear (1:1 ratio)- lower gears are still out of the question unless they were to cast large lead weights onto the backs of the brake shoes. And that's a big maybe.

[@petelattimer6808]

@@rossbrumby1957 they went into 5th gear eventually so overdrive.

[@TiborRoussou]

From 10:17 onwards, the screen is blacked out.

[@volvo09]

Re upload the video guys! It goes black 1/2 way through, although audio stays.

[@SLMAHKMY87]

Video goes blank after 10:40

[@malber1964]

10:15

[@miketee2444]

Some refinement is in order now. Rigging the brake shoes to engage the entire pad instead of one end as brakes normally work. Adding more weight to pads and giving them a linear motion should really help. I'm wondering if the diff being locked may help since it's likely transferring one wheel to the other and the clutch set up will handle that duty anyway. Give it one more try.

[@opossom1968]

video went black at 10:14 Needs less weight on the pads so they spin out harder.

[@TechKnowCSS]

FROM 10:15 TO THE END OF THE VIDEO IT IS ALL BLACK SCREEN.

[@fuzbaull8894]

I love how much the production quality has increased in these videos. They should honestly consider making a mythbuster's-esque show. Except for maybe the part where it blacked out near the end, but I'm sure that'll be fixed in time xD

[@whthefulks4121]

Hey these guy's are genius just goes to show wit h a little know how and Balls nothing is impossible keep it up Garage 54.... Can't wait to see what's next...

[@stephenMc-b1j]

The differential is sending most of the force to one wheel

[@gregs3153]

Great video as always keep up the good work guys ! My video went black two halfway through ?

[@wakeupcanadians]

same right at 10:17

[@magnusatheos7301]

This show never ceases to amaze me.

[@draytonkk]

ummm black screen for last half??

[@ielyas]

10:18 Someone forgot to pay the cameraman :)

[@da_SpiffR]

Looks like there was some kind of upload error. After 10:17 there is sound but no video. It was pretty great until then. Not quite 107 percent boiz... 🙂

[@uberschnilthegreat22]

Basically the entire video part of the video isn't actually on screen from 10:16 till the end of the video lmao

[@chevydmax237]

Video went out at 10:17

[@dimitar4y]

ooops editor uploaded wrong video.

[@mac24seven]

I hope people realize the insane skill of fabricating these guys have. This stuff is just insane.

[@danstone8783]

Was kind of like a throwback to the old days of radio.

[@RayTitske]

hi we mist the last 7 minuts only black screen.

[@duanemyhre]

You guys are crazy. Love it!

[@ben.757]

10:20 There is problem in video ?

[@MickeyMishra]

Yea its all dark at the end.

[@TheShivABC]

Video goes black with the garage54 logo still up on the bottom right? What's up with that?

[@CattanisGarage]

Having a 0-60 of 1.8 seconds all while standing still the entire time. The all new lada auto

[@lexPetro240sx]

You guys have the best ideas

[@mastermnd22]

The brake shoes should have been mounted the other way around. Using the centrifical Force to swing them out. I bet it would work better in reverse, the way it's built now.

[@rossbrumby1957]

No, they made the swinging end leading because they grip better (same as all front drum brakes on cars are leading end opens, not trailing end). To make them bite harder, the pivot bolt on the trailing end needs to be moved closer to the centre of the hub to gain more leverage.

[@mastermnd22]

@@rossbrumby1957 all brake shoes work with center piston spreading open from the top. Either direction you have both a leading edge open and trailing. So your argument makes no sense. They should have used a similar idea to get both directions of bite from the shoes.

[@MarkZukkininberg]

that is why i love this channel they answer strage question

[@astrayalien]

What a brilliant idea!

[@christaylor2168]

Lighter return springs and closer tolerance between pads and hub.

[@rossbrumby1957]

there were no return springs- they only had them on the clutch replacement version.

[@SryImMinimal0815]

@ 10:17 its just black?

[@SryImMinimal0815]

its sad not to see the worn out clutch.... :(

[@lesklower7281]

Almost successful back to the drawing board l so amazed how you come up with all these experiments but they are great entertainment can't wait for the next one

[@gabrielv.4358]

I could feel the "oh no" when he put 5th gear at 3500rpms

[@gabrielv.4358]

the rest of the video after the 10:20 mark is black

[@High_Caliber]

Blank ending, needs a re-up

[@jbwebster]

Hey guys! The setup you did would do wonders in reverse gear. You kinda screwed up with the direction of the breakpads attachment points. You'd get much better grip for them if you'd set those points counter spinwise. That way the pads could actually grip to the drum.

[@lamarstunts1846]

That’s actually true though

[@lamarstunts1846]

Just like bicycles ratchet hubs

[@larryphillips4164]

This is exactly how them old cranes work. The engine drives a pto and the pto drives a big chain and that chain is attached to gears and those gears spin which in turn spin drums and brake pads are inside those drums so when the operator pulls a lever that lever releases hydraulic fluid into a piston into the drum and pushes the brake pad onto the inside of the drum which depending on the operators lever and the force of the piston on the brake pad, the winch line operates. Sometimes when it’s wet you gotta burn the brake pads and inside of the drum causes smoke so the friction catches when you go to pick up a load. On that same drum is another band around the entire drum which is attached to a linkage and then to the operators brake pedal so operator pushes brake pedal, pedal pushes linkage, linkage squeezes brake band and in turn squeezes brake drum stopping the winch line.

[@mann_idonotreadreplies]

Nice period..............................

[@twocvbloke]

Need more weight on the shoes, they need more centrifugal force behind them to press against the drum and not slip... (and also, the video is black after 10:16 so we can't see anything anyway!!!)

[@EAESPN]

what up with the AMSR part of the video half way in to it?

[@michaeld308]

Why is the video blank after 10:19min?

[@jwalster9412]

So you basically replaced the rear brakes with rear clutches?

[@Nikko3001]

Before watching the test: I think the rear wheels and power transfer would be okay because of the diff. Just when it wears out you'd have an issue. After watching the test: I should have known with the way the pads were dangling that it needed a little bit of a tighter fit. Gravity can only do so much work.

[@rayceeya8659]

Thank god they finally bought a plasma cutter. Used to drive me crazy seeing them go through cutoff discs.

[@randolphcountyasylum2643]

Is there a way to use the clutch to make a break? Clutch and flywheel on the back wheels of a front wheel drive car.

[@mann_idonotreadreplies]

It's not called break

[@aeroflopper]

did you weld the diff? and needs springs on shoes.

[@rossbrumby1957]

Springs would make it grip less.

[@aeroflopper]

@rossbrumby1957 so every manufacturer that makes a centrifugal clutch made them all wrong, could of saved all them springs,

[@jasonz7788]

Awesome thanks 👍👍

[@JackSupraMan]

Un altro video degno del Garage54, canale KZbin che adoro... Peccato che diventa nero a tre/quarti di video... Ragazzi, siete i miei idoli. Ciao dall'italia

[@mann_idonotreadreplies]

Did not understand but cool story bro

[@Wreck-Gar]

At the end of every Garage54 video I think, that must be it now, they can't possibly come up with a new experiment to try on those poor LADAs. Thankfully they prove me wrong every time 😂❤👍

[@0xferd]

I have never heard of putting clutches on wheels, this is interesting, cool idea!

[@KunalVaidya]

please reupload, last portion of the video cut to black and didn't recover till end

[@josejuanrosales3614]

What happens in you put differential oil on engine?

[@utahara9608]

Dumb idea here but would it be possible to fit a torque converter onto a manual transmission? Kinda like a liquid clutch

[@mann_idonotreadreplies]

It's possible but fluid won't circulate.

[@alaindrouin1585]

Can you couple a torque converter to a manual transmission ?

[@mann_idonotreadreplies]

Yes

[@mianmuzammil7544]

What happened to half part towards end of video

[@cmsracing]

At about 10:15 the screen goes black for the rest of the video!

[@UNOMILEdeFIRMA]

I love your vídeos im Brazilian keep going posting videos

[@hondacbr600]

You should make centrifugal clutches heavier so there would be less slipage becouse of greter normal force

[@benruether8294]

I'm thinking somewhere in the neighborhood of 4lbs each with lead weights. It really needs something super heavy due to the low rotating speed

[@mann_idonotreadreplies]

@honda yew at wright. Coel storey broe. Greter es beytter aw gues. Lol

[@filaboss7502]

why is the halfs of the video black?

[@Aleks_Mechanics]

Notification squad Have a nice weekend!🔥🔥🔥

[@mohammadmousavinezhad6835]

Just some note, you didn't put the weight for centrifugal force in the right placed, in contrast, it actually reduces the force. the best place would be in the middle of the brake plate not the top of it.

[@Evokes25th5.7]

I love these videos lol

[@travistanich297]

Hi from Texas USA love your channel . So what if you replaced the pads with aluminum. On your previous vid using aluminum for brake pads and they were supper grippy

[@clutchkikn.]

This is why I love stuff like that it's crazy creative

[@arnaldofettuccine5227]

Some video is missing at 10:16 😢

[@J.T323]

Torque converter on manual transmission

[@waldolemmer]

I never understood why this isn't already a thing

[@EladSi]

‏‪10:17‬‏ what went wrong with the video?

[@andybobandy641]

Guys, at around the 10-minute Mark, the screen goes black. You still hear the audio but the video it doesn't exist after the transition.

[@johnnymnemonic69]

Video blacked out guys 😭

[@kevinfrancisco1730]

Try welding the differential and use those centrifugal for each wheel. Its like an auto mechanical transaction control

[@leonardrice2830]

I don’t think it will drive.🤔 Should the pivot points on the pads be different?

[@rossbrumby1957]

Exactly what I thought- shift the pivots closer to the centre of the hub. Considering the load, I'd be casting lead weights to the back of the brake shoes too. That will possibly even make a lower gear usable.

[@markfireinthehole7003]

Needs more weight on the brake pads?

[@ghostshadow9046]

something appears to have gone wrong after 10:16 still have sound but video is just a black screen

[@MpamphsOsougias-ny1rd]

Build biger fan for better engine cooling to the lada

[@mann_idonotreadreplies]

Not Worth it

[@laurencebois5119]

I see Ray Charles edited this one

[@christmassnow3465]

I think you should install the centrifugal clutch in place of the original clutch, because the gearbox starts with first gear, while the engine's RPM is higher.

[@digitalchaos1980]

Love the video! But please reupload if possible. It blacked out around the 10 minute mark.

[@jannekarppanen9346]

Video went black around 10:30 😢

[@malber1964]

10:15

[@JonMadHatter]

Tucker 48 , original concept of torque converters on drive wheels. Never happened due to development constraints. However like to see if that type of design could actually work.

[@rossbrumby1957]

Torque converters are very inefficient at low speeds without making them very complicated and closer tolerances (expensive). That's why nobody does it. Besides theres no logical reason or advantage of putting them there.

[@JonMadHatter]

@rossbrumby1957 you problay right. Still would fun experiment .

[@mann_idonotreadreplies]

Not Worth it and it needs a pump (Long term) to cool it. Also it wouldn't be efficient at high speed because no lock up clutch. Cool story though

[@mann_idonotreadreplies]

@ross you don't know torque converters. TC is more efficient at low speeds When multiplying torque.

[@melvinpaul9302]

I would like yo see you put pistons with a concave top to see if this would increase horse power

[@robertgolding]

@10:15 Your video starts a transition to another view but it stays black/blank from there until the finish

[@usercid640]

the most efficient car ever made

[@Hadfield420]

Why does everyone keep saying the video when blank it worked fine for me the whole way through