What if we install centrifugal clutches inside the rear wheels?

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[@Garage54ENG]

Once again sorry about the blackout. Here's the re-uploaded video - kzbin.info/www/bejne/j3bIlKR5Z7CNm7M

[@feetfats1]

Why not delete this one ?

[@chrisparti]

for some reason the video went black towards the end. I would suggest lighter return springs on the brake shoes.

[@yannickl5976]

I see the same, after 10:18 nothing but black.

[@zetabola1]

Same

[@PiezPiedPy]

Me too

[@lord-REDACTED-]

Yup

[@MattBrownbill]

Me too...

[@rayceeya8659]

Alright, now you need to try a torque converter on each wheel.

[@TheReid2DecoderTech]

This comment needs more upvotes 👍👍👍

[@samsungtvset3398]

The original (but unimplemented ) design spec for the 1948 Tucker Torpedo had a torque converter in the hub of each rear wheel.

[@rayceeya8659]

@@samsungtvset3398 But how would reverse work?

[@whyjnot420]

@@rayceeya8659 If they are connected to the driveshaft via halfshafts or CV joints (or just stuck at the end of a solid axle), I don't see the problem. I can see issues, but how would it not work in principle?

[@donbrashsux]

Great suggestion for Vlad

[@-A-Hybrid-Skunk-Productions-]

Hey Garage 54. Loved the video from what I seen. It blacked out near the end. May you and your team please re-upload the video please. I'd love to see the full video . If it is ok

[@alejandrodelta8928]

Yeah, for me black out happens at 10:14...

[@kj4ilk]

10:15 for me but yeah

[@_M_O_E_]

same. glad to know it wasnt just my ancient laptop having issues. but i still want to see the rest

[@personnel5757]

same

[@Zommari]

same

[@soulwarrior7721]

10:16 it fades to black and never comes back...

[@VintageCR]

yep, i initially thought this was a youtube bug but even after 4 refreshes it continues to be black.

[@Boosted1981]

Yep...i wondered if i was the only one 🤣🤣

[@camicase479]

what happends after 10:30? backscreen?

[@wwmoggy]

same here

[@erkinalp]

Video missing after 10:15.

[@kasuraga]

ah dang...half the video is blacked out

[@qpSubZeroqp]

Why is that?

[@timothybayliss6680]

​@@qpSubZeroqpI dunno. I thought it was a Yt rendering issue

[@johngillon6969]

thank you i was terrified my compute was messed up.

[@str11pes]

Yeah ugh

[@johnbelwell2461]

The problem is the open diff, when one goes to grip the other spins and loses its traction, should have used a welded diff but from what i can understand the brake shoes should have been weighted more

[@thecrazyfarmboy]

Open diffs don't send all power to one wheel though- it's always a 50/50 torque split. The difference is one may turn faster than the other, while applying the same amount of torque

[@drgibs347]

10:16 in the goes black screen until the end. :(

[@emilschw8924]

A big shoutout to BMI Russian for translating these from Russki to Engliski 😊 👍 Appreciate the effort you guys do in translating this for us.

[@SwapBlogRU]

No problem. Sorry about the lack of image after about 10:14 though...

[@DualKalibur]

Great experiment guys! Didn’t work as well as I expected but still works! Try a water bong for a muffler!

[@dennis-nz5im]

Bongs are probably illegal. Remember B Griner.

[@VannilaZero]

It’s Russia they can’t smoke weed

[@Sparky_D]

​@@VannilaZerothey don't need weed to make a bong...

[@VannilaZero]

@@Sparky_D the fact they have one could be bad for them knowing russia

[@raze38015]

Not a water bong.. A water filter muffler. I'm really surprised we don't already have them for emissions tbh

[@colinstu]

Is the rear diff not welded? seems like only one wheel is smoking up.

[@rossbrumby1957]

Given the wobbling wheels indicating bad alignment of hubs to brake drums, I'd say one contacted better than the other so gripped sooner- being allowed to by the open diff.

[@Davide0033]

the editor fucked up or went for a blind inclusion style , but it's still a great video, and you still have a great editor

[@volvo09]

Re upload the video guys! It goes black 1/2 way through, although audio stays.

[@teardowndan5364]

Add a 1kg steel chunk behind each brake shoe instead of a nut and you'll get ~5X the centrifugal force for a given RPM, should make this a whole lot more functional.

[@RubyRhod]

Define "work". This is a big heater (this the smoke). Changing mass won't change that.

[@teardowndan5364]

@@RubyRhod If you have 5X the mass being flung around at the "floating" end of the brake shoe, you get 5X the pressure being applied to the brake shoe for a given RPM or half the RPMs for about the same torque going through, which means half as much brake pad smoke being generated for a given amount of acceleration or twice as much accelerating before wearing out the pads.

[@RubyRhod]

​@@teardowndan5364 You are not wrong, but while you increase mass 5 times, you lower rpms that create a certain torque by sqrt(5) or about 2.2 times. So you "only" more than half the heat wasted/generated by the clutch. I would argue you need to lower energy wasted by 10 to 100 times. There is a reason why friction clutches of any type (and I would argue torque converters are in some way also a friction clutch) are meant to go at the highest rpm shaft in the drivetrain - usually directly at the engine.

[@teardowndan5364]

@@RubyRhod I didn't say that it would solve the problem, only that they'd get at least twice the usability out of it.

[@mann_idonotreadreplies]

@ruby cool story bro

[@ielyas]

10:18 Someone forgot to pay the cameraman :)

[@Jynxx_13]

@10:15 video goes black. Only sound.😒

[@honkie247]

When you used the brake shoes as a clutch disc it worked well because they were spinning at engine rpm. Now the rear wheels spin at engine rpm divided by rear axle ratio. Probably around 3.5:1 or 3.75:1.

[@rossbrumby1957]

Given the car is in 4th gear (1:1 ratio)- lower gears are still out of the question unless they were to cast large lead weights onto the backs of the brake shoes. And that's a big maybe.

[@petelattimer6808]

@@rossbrumby1957 they went into 5th gear eventually so overdrive.

[@miketee2444]

Some refinement is in order now. Rigging the brake shoes to engage the entire pad instead of one end as brakes normally work. Adding more weight to pads and giving them a linear motion should really help. I'm wondering if the diff being locked may help since it's likely transferring one wheel to the other and the clutch set up will handle that duty anyway. Give it one more try.

[@averagedev7768]

This channel will do everything i ever think of while i take a dump. Thanks guys you make my life better!!!

[@mann_idonotreadreplies]

Shit comment

[@jittychitty]

I love the randomness of your mechanical thoughts and ideas you guys come up with!

[@uberschnilthegreat22]

Basically the entire video part of the video isn't actually on screen from 10:16 till the end of the video lmao

[@stephenMc-b1j]

The differential is sending most of the force to one wheel

[@SLMAHKMY87]

Video goes blank after 10:40

[@malber1964]

10:15

[@CattanisGarage]

Having a 0-60 of 1.8 seconds all while standing still the entire time. The all new lada auto

[@astrayalien]

What a brilliant idea!

[@fuzbaull8894]

I love how much the production quality has increased in these videos. They should honestly consider making a mythbuster's-esque show. Except for maybe the part where it blacked out near the end, but I'm sure that'll be fixed in time xD

[@TiborRoussou]

From 10:17 onwards, the screen is blacked out.

[@mastermnd22]

The brake shoes should have been mounted the other way around. Using the centrifical Force to swing them out. I bet it would work better in reverse, the way it's built now.

[@rossbrumby1957]

No, they made the swinging end leading because they grip better (same as all front drum brakes on cars are leading end opens, not trailing end). To make them bite harder, the pivot bolt on the trailing end needs to be moved closer to the centre of the hub to gain more leverage.

[@mastermnd22]

@@rossbrumby1957 all brake shoes work with center piston spreading open from the top. Either direction you have both a leading edge open and trailing. So your argument makes no sense. They should have used a similar idea to get both directions of bite from the shoes.

[@danstone8783]

Was kind of like a throwback to the old days of radio.

[@clutchkikn.]

This is why I love stuff like that it's crazy creative

[@duanemyhre]

You guys are crazy. Love it!

[@whthefulks4121]

Hey these guy's are genius just goes to show wit h a little know how and Balls nothing is impossible keep it up Garage 54.... Can't wait to see what's next...

[@High_Caliber]

Blank ending, needs a re-up

[@0xferd]

I have never heard of putting clutches on wheels, this is interesting, cool idea!

[@draytonkk]

ummm black screen for last half??

[@mac24seven]

I hope people realize the insane skill of fabricating these guys have. This stuff is just insane.

[@EAESPN]

what up with the AMSR part of the video half way in to it?

[@larryphillips4164]

This is exactly how them old cranes work. The engine drives a pto and the pto drives a big chain and that chain is attached to gears and those gears spin which in turn spin drums and brake pads are inside those drums so when the operator pulls a lever that lever releases hydraulic fluid into a piston into the drum and pushes the brake pad onto the inside of the drum which depending on the operators lever and the force of the piston on the brake pad, the winch line operates. Sometimes when it’s wet you gotta burn the brake pads and inside of the drum causes smoke so the friction catches when you go to pick up a load. On that same drum is another band around the entire drum which is attached to a linkage and then to the operators brake pedal so operator pushes brake pedal, pedal pushes linkage, linkage squeezes brake band and in turn squeezes brake drum stopping the winch line.

[@mann_idonotreadreplies]

Nice period..............................

[@utahara9608]

Dumb idea here but would it be possible to fit a torque converter onto a manual transmission? Kinda like a liquid clutch

[@mann_idonotreadreplies]

It's possible but fluid won't circulate.

[@randolphcountyasylum2643]

Is there a way to use the clutch to make a break? Clutch and flywheel on the back wheels of a front wheel drive car.

[@mann_idonotreadreplies]

It's not called break

[@gregs3153]

Great video as always keep up the good work guys ! My video went black two halfway through ?

[@wakeupcanadians]

same right at 10:17

[@hondacbr600]

You should make centrifugal clutches heavier so there would be less slipage becouse of greter normal force

[@benruether8294]

I'm thinking somewhere in the neighborhood of 4lbs each with lead weights. It really needs something super heavy due to the low rotating speed

[@mann_idonotreadreplies]

@honda yew at wright. Coel storey broe. Greter es beytter aw gues. Lol

[@Pulverrostmannen]

The second half of the video sure make use of your imagination as you listen in the darkness

[@TheShivABC]

Video goes black with the garage54 logo still up on the bottom right? What's up with that?

[@RayTitske]

hi we mist the last 7 minuts only black screen.

[@Wreck-Gar]

At the end of every Garage54 video I think, that must be it now, they can't possibly come up with a new experiment to try on those poor LADAs. Thankfully they prove me wrong every time 😂❤👍

[@da_SpiffR]

Looks like there was some kind of upload error. After 10:17 there is sound but no video. It was pretty great until then. Not quite 107 percent boiz... 🙂

[@Nikko3001]

Before watching the test: I think the rear wheels and power transfer would be okay because of the diff. Just when it wears out you'd have an issue. After watching the test: I should have known with the way the pads were dangling that it needed a little bit of a tighter fit. Gravity can only do so much work.

[@alexpetro240sx]

You guys have the best ideas

[@josejuanrosales3614]

What happens in you put differential oil on engine?

[@magnusatheos7301]

This show never ceases to amaze me.

[@christmassnow3465]

I think you should install the centrifugal clutch in place of the original clutch, because the gearbox starts with first gear, while the engine's RPM is higher.

[@fuzzy1dk]

black screen from about 10:17

[@cmsracing]

At about 10:15 the screen goes black for the rest of the video!

[@opossom1968]

video went black at 10:14 Needs less weight on the pads so they spin out harder.

[@rayceeya8659]

Thank god they finally bought a plasma cutter. Used to drive me crazy seeing them go through cutoff discs.

[@christaylor2168]

Lighter return springs and closer tolerance between pads and hub.

[@rossbrumby1957]

there were no return springs- they only had them on the clutch replacement version.

[@Badical69killemall]

what happened to last half of video?

[@cap7ainskull]

Can this saturn V run on bio diesel vs a v12 lada using a tank engine found in by backyard

[@Evokes25th5.7]

I love these videos lol

[@ghostshadow9046]

something appears to have gone wrong after 10:16 still have sound but video is just a black screen

[@TechKnowCSS]

FROM 10:15 TO THE END OF THE VIDEO IT IS ALL BLACK SCREEN.

[@busyguy7479]

this was fun looks like maybe more weight on the shoes would help and a welded diff to equalize power to both wheels. anyway great effort putting this together always fun kudos.

[@munky123jw]

Half the video is classified top secret

[@gabrielv.4358]

I could feel the "oh no" when he put 5th gear at 3500rpms

[@gabrielv.4358]

the rest of the video after the 10:20 mark is black

[@KunalVaidya]

please reupload, last portion of the video cut to black and didn't recover till end

[@mianmuzammil7544]

What happened to half part towards end of video

[@lesklower7281]

Almost successful back to the drawing board l so amazed how you come up with all these experiments but they are great entertainment can't wait for the next one

[@trm4life]

Now you guys need to make some diy crab walking wheels.

[@alien200049655]

the video went black half way through I can hear the audio, but no picture Timestamp 10:17 for me.

[@leonardrice2830]

I don’t think it will drive.🤔 Should the pivot points on the pads be different?

[@rossbrumby1957]

Exactly what I thought- shift the pivots closer to the centre of the hub. Considering the load, I'd be casting lead weights to the back of the brake shoes too. That will possibly even make a lower gear usable.

[@aeroflopper]

did you weld the diff? and needs springs on shoes.

[@rossbrumby1957]

Springs would make it grip less.

[@aeroflopper]

@rossbrumby1957 so every manufacturer that makes a centrifugal clutch made them all wrong, could of saved all them springs,

[@laurencebois5119]

I see Ray Charles edited this one

[@PEUGEOT203dumbcar]

I love your vídeos im Brazilian keep going posting videos

[@woody1766]

the last 8 mins was a black screen no pic just audio.

[@ThisIsAVerifiedHoodClassic]

that is why i love this channel they answer strage question

[@travistanich297]

Hi from Texas USA love your channel . So what if you replaced the pads with aluminum. On your previous vid using aluminum for brake pads and they were supper grippy

[@alaindrouin1585]

Can you couple a torque converter to a manual transmission ?

[@mann_idonotreadreplies]

Yes

[@RetroArcadeGuy]

Video is broken at 10:15, after the transition effect, video never comes back.

[@duncancremin1708]

Yes, I had the same problem, video going black, but sound was okay. This was never going to work because the wheel rpm is too low, so the force isn’t enough to push the pads out and engage them decisively, so the end up slipping and heating up. By the time you build up enough speed to sufficiently engage the centrifugal clutch it has over heated and can’t grip properly, similar to brake fade. You’d need at least a 2:1, maybe even 3:1 reduction between the centrifugal clutch and the hubs, to make this work, but that would result in a very high engine rpm and low road speed, unless you had a step up to match, in the driveline. That’s starting to sound like a French car!

[@jasonz7788]

Awesome thanks 👍👍

[@HomesteadViewin]

You have hooked up 2 engines, 3 engines and an insane 4 engines......but, can you put 2 motors in a lada and have one engine driving the right wheels and the second engine drives the left wheels, might run like a tank, you turn by slowing one engine and speeding the other one up. May as well put tracks on it if you can!!!

[@bobwatkins1760]

Don't know what happened but at 1015 into video I had black screen and only audio. I tried the cursor on the line and it also shows up black. I have my res to 360p but I still should get video unless useless tube screwed up the transferr.

[@jbwebster]

Hey guys! The setup you did would do wonders in reverse gear. You kinda screwed up with the direction of the breakpads attachment points. You'd get much better grip for them if you'd set those points counter spinwise. That way the pads could actually grip to the drum.

[@lamarstunts1846]

That’s actually true though

[@lamarstunts1846]

Just like bicycles ratchet hubs

[@jwalster9412]

So you basically replaced the rear brakes with rear clutches?

[@michaeld308]

Why is the video blank after 10:19min?

[@Nicky_Otto]

Great vid, too bad it went black with just sound around 10:17.

[@UberLummox]

107% uncool that you can't see the rest without YT Premium.

[@mohammadmousavinezhad6835]

Just some note, you didn't put the weight for centrifugal force in the right placed, in contrast, it actually reduces the force. the best place would be in the middle of the brake plate not the top of it.

[@fastinradfordable]

This could work for top speed cars. To add ability to start off in higher gear without slipping the main clutch

[@JackSupraMan]

Un altro video degno del Garage54, canale KZbin che adoro... Peccato che diventa nero a tre/quarti di video... Ragazzi, siete i miei idoli. Ciao dall'italia

[@mann_idonotreadreplies]

Did not understand but cool story bro

[@BalooUriza]

This accurately captures what it's like to drive on pavement in Snowrunner.

[@digitalchaos1980]

Love the video! But please reupload if possible. It blacked out around the 10 minute mark.

[@atomicfx6885]

try the same with break disk being used as clutch and a way to cotrol it separate from the rest of the hydraulic breaking system

[@mann_idonotreadreplies]

They did that already. And it's not called break disc. ITS BRAKE

[@atomicfx6885]

@@mann_idonotreadreplies auto correct loves me and ill haft to look i dident see disk

[@filaboss7502]

why is the halfs of the video black?

[@anibalbabilonia1867]

Man I was enjoying the video when all of a sudden it went black!! Boy that sucks! I wanted to see the ending!

[@sgottoboni]

Half of the video lost picture.

[@TheMrZoltanek]

how u brake rear wheels ? :D