What is a DAC and why do you need one?

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The Headphone Show

The Headphone Show

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@GoldenSound
@GoldenSound 2 ай бұрын
A few important notes: 1) Whilst the video explained 1-bit delta-sigma and PDM at a basic level, most available delta sigma DACs are actually 'multibit' delta sigma. Meaning rather than modulating to high speed 1-bit, they modulate to high speed 5-7 bit as this allows you to avoid the biggest challenges with making a highly linear R2R DAC and you also don't need to be operating as fast or have as much difficulty with the modulator design as a full 1-bit DAC. 2) DACs that ARE 1-bit usually don't actually have a 1-bit PDM converter. Instead they usually use a moving-average FIR filter approach, this will be explained further in a future video. 3) Some products on headphones.com such as open box units may not fall under the 365 day return policy, please check the product page for specifics!
@epicgamer496
@epicgamer496 2 ай бұрын
im the most sigma tho
@LucaTheStar
@LucaTheStar 2 ай бұрын
4) Don't buy them from DCS /hj
@epicgamer496
@epicgamer496 2 ай бұрын
@@LucaTheStar dcs is goated they doubled my debt for free
@lunafag
@lunafag 2 ай бұрын
Strictly speaking DACs don't need oversampling. 16 bit signal -> 16 bit DAC -> reconstruction filter, no oversampling required. But when the DAC has less bits than the signal you need dithering to preserve the dynamic range, and when you need dithering it's a good idea to oversample to have less noise in the audible frequncies, even less with noise shaping.
@hartyewh1
@hartyewh1 2 ай бұрын
@GoldenSound Did you happen to spot a DM on Discord about the KA11? I wonder if you have different info then what I had come across.
@tomas_m
@tomas_m 2 ай бұрын
I'm a little worried that the cable joke won't be obvious enough to some people 😬
@or1on89
@or1on89 2 ай бұрын
I laughed my ass off at that ahahaha
@ezrabrownstein3237
@ezrabrownstein3237 2 ай бұрын
What joke?
@DonVintaggio
@DonVintaggio 2 ай бұрын
Snake oil reference for anyone coming from outside the "audiophile" world.
@defu8592
@defu8592 2 ай бұрын
@@or1on89 same lmao
@pinoylanggaming9449
@pinoylanggaming9449 2 ай бұрын
Need more in depths about the cable, I'm curious.
@krakentortoise7531
@krakentortoise7531 2 ай бұрын
I honestly would like a whole series of Golden just explaining stuff. He's a really great teacher and has a way to make every topic interesting
@ZReviews
@ZReviews 2 ай бұрын
We Are Learnding.
@exact3
@exact3 2 ай бұрын
What a great video. I've been in this hobby for over 10 years and only NOW understand how a DAC works lol.
@publicpersona6517
@publicpersona6517 2 ай бұрын
Came for the flappy bird analogy, stayed for the cable joke.
@cziperlan1374
@cziperlan1374 2 ай бұрын
This was the most easy to understand explanation about the topic I've seen to date! Thanks Golden! Now I have something to send to my friends when they start questioning my sanity...
@ahmadfaizadnan
@ahmadfaizadnan 2 ай бұрын
The best ELI5 I've heard so far. Will share to my office mate if they ask "What is that weird box on your desk?" for the fourth time.
@Lishtenbird
@Lishtenbird 2 ай бұрын
7:26 Never expected to see Haruhi on the Headphone Show, and yet here we are.
@brash_hown
@brash_hown 2 ай бұрын
How could i have missed that...
@YTHandlesWereAMistake
@YTHandlesWereAMistake 2 ай бұрын
I wonder if that was Cameron's pic. If so, we also need a watch recommendations in addition to the listen ones in the podcast.
@nickpelayo3172
@nickpelayo3172 2 ай бұрын
Watch odd taxi and Dangers in my heart. Solid choices​@@YTHandlesWereAMistake
@justino9042
@justino9042 2 ай бұрын
Classic golden teaching us of dacs and amps.
@Currawong
@Currawong 2 ай бұрын
Peak audio KZbin: Sigma Delta DACs being described using Flappy Bird.
@juanblanco7898
@juanblanco7898 2 ай бұрын
Such a great way to explain PDM in less than 10 seconds to a smooth brain like me.
@Currawong
@Currawong 2 ай бұрын
@@juanblanco7898 Absolutely!
@mi.watari
@mi.watari 2 ай бұрын
Flappy bird analogy is just perfect
@razisn
@razisn 2 ай бұрын
and a very old one, for that matter.
@jeppemichaeljensen2684
@jeppemichaeljensen2684 2 ай бұрын
Waooo. Thanks. So great. I knew all of this, but it is the first time I have seen it described so good. Great job
@tharun7290
@tharun7290 16 күн бұрын
This was an absolute treat to watch.
@migadepancito
@migadepancito 2 ай бұрын
Great video! Always love the goldensound knowledge drops
@Waitjayithought
@Waitjayithought 2 ай бұрын
10/10 video. Very clear and easy to follow
@g13n4
@g13n4 2 ай бұрын
Great video. BRB buying a $1000 cable for my fiio dac
@zoltantoth1566
@zoltantoth1566 2 ай бұрын
this is awesome: accurate, informative, concise
@muaddib_actual3511
@muaddib_actual3511 2 ай бұрын
Vids like this are excellent as there is always someone new to the Hobby/Industry. The visuals really make it for me. I'm always having to refresh my memory as to why I want one over the other and the visuals really made it pop. Good Job!
@KmtS9
@KmtS9 2 ай бұрын
Cameron strikes again! Thank you for this!! Looking forward to the next entry in this series.
@asdesdvfq222c
@asdesdvfq222c 2 ай бұрын
Extremely good explanations! I'll share this next time i have the opportunity to teach anyone about DACs
@celstark
@celstark 2 ай бұрын
Fantastic explanations Golden. You struck a great balance of simplicity and accuracy.
@Daniel_Borisov
@Daniel_Borisov 2 ай бұрын
Superb explanation! I understand this, but if I ever need to explain it to others, this is great!
@Meister-der-Prokrastination
@Meister-der-Prokrastination 2 ай бұрын
Your timing is just perfect, i just started 2 days ago to get into Headphones and sidekicks and already stumpled upon the DAC and Amplifier Problem. I'm ready to learn more! Btw, my current Headphone of Choice for my next shopping tour is the Sennheiser HD600 or 650. Chosen by your very big Tier List video from 8 Months ago ;)
@bratosin1
@bratosin1 Ай бұрын
Get the 660s 2 , far superior than both
@smsaville
@smsaville 2 ай бұрын
What a brilliant explainer - thanks GS! Looking forward to part 2. No pressure 😉😁
@davekelloway3337
@davekelloway3337 2 ай бұрын
This video crushes for simplicity, communication, and entertainment. Way to go GoldenSound
2 ай бұрын
Actually brilliant description. Thank you! Science communications is clearly your forté.
@treehugger420
@treehugger420 Ай бұрын
Bro is a scientist
@fulvioliberatore676
@fulvioliberatore676 2 ай бұрын
Wonderful and very useful video!!
@Douglas_Blake_579
@Douglas_Blake_579 Ай бұрын
Nice! Good to see a clear explanation .... although a bit fast paced.
@johto
@johto 2 күн бұрын
you are just slow, i watched this at 2x speed LOL
@RadDad1976
@RadDad1976 2 ай бұрын
So relieved to know the $3k cable I got for my $100 headphones was the correct choice 🙏
@pfx2259
@pfx2259 2 ай бұрын
Amazing stuff this
@zippymagee
@zippymagee Ай бұрын
Excellent Video!
@justuslm
@justuslm 2 ай бұрын
3:15 I just want to point out that oversampling isn't strictly necessary to reconstruct the analog signal. So long as you have a precise low-pass filter at half the sample rate, the signal reproduction will be accurate. However, oversampling allows you to control how that cutoff happens much more precisely. I don't know exactly how common DACs that don't use any oversampling whatsoever are nowadays, but you'd find them for example in toys that include a sound module.
@GoldenSound
@GoldenSound 2 ай бұрын
This is true, though the problem is it's not practically possible to make an analog filter that'd do this, hence why we typically do it digitally as we can make a very steep filter that way. With an analog filter you'd either need to attenuate content in the audible band too much or you'd leave too much above the Nyquist frequency.
@garfythecat
@garfythecat 2 ай бұрын
That was brilliant!
@AzDraon1
@AzDraon1 Ай бұрын
This is really helpful!
@miker718
@miker718 2 ай бұрын
I need to watch this again after I haven't had a couple of beers! I'm more confused now than I was before I saw this.
@christopherviers8302
@christopherviers8302 2 ай бұрын
Most excellent...!!! Great video and information...!!! Well done...!!!
@robertobuatti7226
@robertobuatti7226 2 ай бұрын
This video was very confusing as I failed at math and science when I was in high school in the 90's and have learning disabilities but I was interested in it, I just had to replay and rewind a lot to try to follow and understood it vaguely.
@freyahEVE
@freyahEVE 2 ай бұрын
This was fun to watch. Thanks!
@EdgeDC
@EdgeDC 2 ай бұрын
I presume/hope that the 3 “Biggest improvements per $ spent” list will be revisited in Part 2, with strikethough added to Cables, and replaced with Amplifier (possibly moved to #2, with Headphones #1). Loved the joke though, for those of us who saw it for the joke it was! 😆
@nemolovesy0u
@nemolovesy0u 2 ай бұрын
Wonderful video
@mateusbernardi7164
@mateusbernardi7164 2 ай бұрын
What a great and well explaind video.
@Ntt5656
@Ntt5656 2 ай бұрын
amazing explanation, thank you
@939Productions
@939Productions 2 ай бұрын
Explaining PWM with flappy bird is freaking genius! hahahaha
@___joez
@___joez 2 ай бұрын
RME ADI series is 🐐
@donaldwolff
@donaldwolff Ай бұрын
Truly Great explanations, and you made me laugh 3 different times.. Great video !
@TekZulu
@TekZulu 2 ай бұрын
This is a nitpick but I think Jetpack Joyride is a better representation of ΔΣ than Flappy Bird because Flappy Bird doesn't continue to go up when you feed it a continuous input and Jetpack Joyride is also very well known, albeit not quite as famous as Flappy Bird might be.
@MrDonpipkin
@MrDonpipkin 2 ай бұрын
well done! fun and educational - tough to do.
@kylesisk7348
@kylesisk7348 Ай бұрын
Thank you
@onchuner
@onchuner 2 ай бұрын
Thanks it's a good one especially cable What do you actually think about rme dac and amp?
@esperla123
@esperla123 2 ай бұрын
Great video
@gixi430
@gixi430 2 ай бұрын
Hey brother!Can you help me with a question since you know far more than me?I prioritize ANC and comfort and I have these options;(edifier WH950NB, sony wh750b, 1more sonoflow, anker soundcore q30 and space one)what option is better?you can sugest something else if you know 😊
@MarciusSim
@MarciusSim 2 ай бұрын
Can I request for a part 2 video on DAC filters please?
@holdincourt
@holdincourt 2 ай бұрын
Love the flappy bird analogy!
@GadZookz
@GadZookz 2 ай бұрын
That flappy bird game was great! 👍🏼
@carminedesanto6746
@carminedesanto6746 2 ай бұрын
Fantastic,thank you 👍👍
@hartyewh1
@hartyewh1 2 ай бұрын
Spent most of yesterday comparing a Denafrips Ares II to a Topping E50. I was expecting to hear no meaningful difference or hopefully some presentation difference in the Ares. Before volume matching I heard all kinds of magic in the soundstage and imaging. Just like the reviews had said. By ear I was off by 1,5dB (on the Topping L70 volume scale). After matching things changed. No difference whatsoever in either, the bass was notably weaker or rounder on the Ares and the highs were easier, maybe smoother. I measured it and there is a treble roll-off. Around -1dB@7kHz, -2dB@9kHz and -5dB@15kHz. I EQ'd the same for the Topping and the effect was the same. In conclusion, I'd take an E50 (or E30, same thing really) over the Ares. Should have tested an Apple dongle as well which was about the same as the E50.
@7in1
@7in1 2 ай бұрын
Are you claiming that Denafrips DAC is having such huge FR problems that even you could measure them? It's hard to believe to be true
@maximgodunov7717
@maximgodunov7717 2 ай бұрын
Hi. Apart from the tonality difference and dynamics, you will most likely not find any difference in dacs using easy to drive headphones or especially iems. You will need a speaker system to notice it, or something like a susvara. That's why most dac reviews compare them using speakers. Watch jays iyagi video where he tested 100 dacs. Also, you need to test much more dacs for more experience to know what to listen to and where you need to pay attention.
@hartyewh1
@hartyewh1 2 ай бұрын
@@maximgodunov7717 I've tested dozens and from the Apple dongle to Jotunheim there was really nothing worth of note when proper volume matching was done. In power amplifiers there are massive differences with the integrated DACs I've noticed, but I doubt adding room issues and degrading the signal helps with hearing the differences. Perhaps power amps strenghten the coloration or something. I also used an HE1000se which should be essentially as revealing as anything. The bass issues and treble roll-off are still notable problems.
@hartyewh1
@hartyewh1 2 ай бұрын
@@7in1 Depends if one considers them a problem or desired coloration. Imo it's a massive issue. Volume matched single seating measurement from a headphone showed that and it matches my perception so I can't think of another explanation.
@maximgodunov7717
@maximgodunov7717 2 ай бұрын
@@hartyewh1 I'm talking about standalone dacs used with speakers. They are way more revealing compared to headphones because they have low impedance and sensitivity. Can't head a difference in soundstage if they is no soundstage to begin with. This is how most dacs are tested by reviewers- take a look at Jay's Iyagi 100 dac video
@joeljose9428
@joeljose9428 14 күн бұрын
Can I use audio interface as a dac ?? And connect it to an amp and call it a stack ???😅?
@razen06
@razen06 2 ай бұрын
love this video
@BrettGlass
@BrettGlass 15 күн бұрын
I think I missed something...Why run the signal from a poor DAC to another DAC? Or do you somehow bypass the original some how???
@LucaTheStar
@LucaTheStar 2 ай бұрын
1:40 Based Pixelzwithaz reference ❤
@okay1904
@okay1904 2 ай бұрын
Excellent
@7in1
@7in1 2 ай бұрын
What DAC (r2r or delta sigma) is producing more true digital signal from original analog, and why?
@MrSmitheroons
@MrSmitheroons 2 ай бұрын
Instructions unclear, I mortgaged my house for cables. (I have no money left for headphones, speakers, DACs, or even a source, but I think I'm getting the most bang for buck, so I'm happy with my purchase decisions. If I stare hard enough at the cables I hear something that sounds incredibly accurate and also enter a trance state that I assume is essentially achieving nirvana. 10/10 would go bankrupt again.) P.S. I imagine you can send a DC, full-voltage, strictly on/off signal to a speaker but that it won't necessarily sound good, unless you like square waves and/or what I'm boldly going to call "rectangle waves". Or maybe the sound of your transducer committing sudoku.
@audiorick841
@audiorick841 2 ай бұрын
Brilliant!
@Nearest_Neighbor
@Nearest_Neighbor 2 ай бұрын
SMW2 ❤️
@bratosin1
@bratosin1 Ай бұрын
So if i take the audio from my monitor (xbox series x source) via 3.5mm to Y 2x Rca connectors into the topping e70 Dac , the monitor has already a Dac built in , so my dac reconverts the signals another time ? Hmm , I'm very confused , how it works
@Rob-Davidson
@Rob-Davidson 2 ай бұрын
Drivers are smooth-brained. That's why I get along with them so well. 😌
@FiaDess
@FiaDess 2 ай бұрын
great vid!! will we cover up the why is the cables also have its own price?? 👀 "i MeAN theY aRE JuSt cabLeS" im looking forward for it, cheers.
@kingstoler
@kingstoler 2 ай бұрын
Worth upgrading from Topping D90 to Dcs Lina??
@rap-soldier2185
@rap-soldier2185 2 ай бұрын
GOOD ONE /< DCS SUCKS 💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩 ✅️🔥🚦💥💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯
@rap-soldier2185
@rap-soldier2185 2 ай бұрын
Good one DCS IS 💩💩💩💩💩💩
@theb4r138
@theb4r138 Ай бұрын
And cables lol good one
@7in1
@7in1 2 ай бұрын
Why R2R is praised more than Delta Sigma, if both are nicely doing same job but different style, isn't there should be the same sound?
@Avruthlelbh
@Avruthlelbh 2 ай бұрын
So in short: Some DACs are actually DADs: Digital to (another type of) Digital converter. Thanks delta sigma.
@z-f772
@z-f772 2 ай бұрын
First they're showing 10bits (2:26) while talking about 16 bits, then (3:00) 16 bits are represented as 7 bits + 9 bits shown under those 7 bits... come on. 3:07 now we see 16 bits divided into two bytes just to confuse you a little bit more, I'm exited for the second half of this video.
@TimothyAnderson-l4q
@TimothyAnderson-l4q Ай бұрын
Howell Fall
@JensHove
@JensHove Ай бұрын
That RME is yummy.
@defu8592
@defu8592 2 ай бұрын
wow.... i understood... im scared...
@BobThera-c3d
@BobThera-c3d Ай бұрын
Medhurst Forest
@thinkIndependent2024
@thinkIndependent2024 2 ай бұрын
The speed that a motor turns is also a Sample Rate Unfortunately this point has been misstated
@syanhc
@syanhc 2 ай бұрын
I'm this video, it sounded like GoldenSound was speaking from within the physical body of DMS.
@ZephaniahJacob-x7u
@ZephaniahJacob-x7u 21 күн бұрын
Florine Well
@edenight893
@edenight893 2 ай бұрын
And cables ... Joke, it's a joke, now you calm down ! Put the speaker stand down !
@ancientalien815
@ancientalien815 2 ай бұрын
Why doesn't this have theatrical music playing in the background?
@MargaretHelms-s1u
@MargaretHelms-s1u Ай бұрын
Boehm Trafficway
@055_donisaputra6
@055_donisaputra6 2 ай бұрын
So.... microphone is an anti-speaker?
@migadepancito
@migadepancito 2 ай бұрын
Yes!
@lunafag
@lunafag 2 ай бұрын
Mics and speakers are actually exactly the same. You can use a speaker as a microphone.
@lunafag
@lunafag 2 ай бұрын
Actually speakers and mics are exactly the same. You can use a speaker as a mic and vice versa, it just won't be good.
@lunafag
@lunafag 2 ай бұрын
Actually speakers and mics are exactly the same. You can use a speaker as a mic and vice versa, it just won't be good.
@d0nj03
@d0nj03 Ай бұрын
You can actually use one plugged in as a speaker and if you manage to not burn it out you will actually hear sound reproduction out of it. Same if you plug a speaker or headphone driver into a mic port and speak into it - sound will be registered, even if only at very bad quality.
@ixoye56
@ixoye56 2 ай бұрын
"And Cables" 😂🤣😂
@ToneYantin-t1h
@ToneYantin-t1h Ай бұрын
Lew Mission
@MichelsonSean-h5n
@MichelsonSean-h5n 21 күн бұрын
Rodriguez Ports
@MuzdokOfficial
@MuzdokOfficial Ай бұрын
Listen at 0.75 speed
@karanmorey8033
@karanmorey8033 Ай бұрын
Cable joke 10/10 👍
@BennettWeigle-x8p
@BennettWeigle-x8p Ай бұрын
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@fabianoberlim9636
@fabianoberlim9636 2 ай бұрын
Waiting for that Topping DX9 review
@LindsayIna-r2t
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Sydni Coves
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@ZoeMilka 21 күн бұрын
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