What is a Grip Sear & How I Use it to Manage Target Panic with Barebow Archery

[@chuckgliderable]

This is an incredible video. Everything from the thinking, analysis, imagery, angles and editing. Amazing. Thanks so much for doing it. This is why you're a champion. This level of rigor is what I aspire to! Simply inspirational! (Off to play with bubble sear!)

[@borderbiomassfuels-firewoo9587]

Hey I'm 67 but in my working life I've been a ranger, a hill walking guide and until I retired ran a log fuel company. Now I race a 30" yacht and am teaching myself bsrebow using your vids lol

[@lairdglass9176]

You race a 30 inch yacht?

[@waynestevenson9613]

I think you are correct in aiming while close bail training. Close bail training without a sight is wasting time, at least for me. Because as soon as you introduce the target back into the routine TP returns. By aiming at arrow holes and not considering the results after the shot allows you the freedom to train your subconscious brain the shot process while allowing the conscious brain to be involved in the shot also.

[@lthorsemanship8150]

My coach would have us aim at golf tees when I was a kid

[@johnykryll]

So glad you made this video. I've only been shooting barebow for a bout a year now but I couldn't figure this out. I'd wobble and panick before every shot. So thank you Jake for highlighting this.

[@cruzbuddha]

Here’s my vote for a stand alone warm-up video and a scenario lots of us are familiar with: You’ve just arrived at the range and your buddies are anxious to get started. You’ve got 10 minutes to get “warmed up” before heading out to shoot. I’m not talking Olympic level warm ups, just stuff that your average archer can do before any type of shooting to help insure that first arrow goes where you want! Having that in a repeatable routine would be very nice.

[@blackspeed69007]

10mn is way too long for a warm up, specially for archery. I know what you mean and usually if you take the time of one end + arrow collection (so about 4mn + 2 or 3 mn depending how slow your mates are to collect their arrows) it will be plenty. 5/6 mn is plenty for being warm, meaning close to break a sweat, but not out of breath yet...

[@cruzbuddha]

@@blackspeed69007 Fair enough! See that’s why I’d like a Jake vid on this…. What do you do with those few minutes to loosen up, warm up etc.

[@frankhoxsey1177]

This is exactly how I am with golf and that has why I have taken to archery. I get such anxiety when I go to strike the ball that I almost don't want to. Then I have a horrible round. With archery I want to be okay but at the end of the day I'm getting a little better. Thanks for all the content and I am going to look at using triggers for when I play golf.

[@dk73us1]

I'm learning so much from this. Just hearing your mental process and watching your form is a big help to me.

[@BlackHawkPGA]

Thank you so much for sharing the target panic part!

[@deinemutter18]

Cant wait for the warm up video. Please do it. I had so much issues due to wrong archery. With your help it is getting better and better. I will devinetive apprichiate it.

[@cavetroll]

Bit late to this video but something that worked and still does for me. Change bows. It sounds weird but I shot 3d tournament compound for a while. Went well in the beginning, then massive target panic set in. I eventually dropped out. And then started making Trad bows ( different story there) and shot instinctively. For a given value of that phrase. I ended up recently with a perfect 60 indoor distance 6 arrow end) with a recurve Olympic bow and a compound. Doing the Trad shooting once a week helps just calm the brain down and focused on the shot process. That and it is a hell of a lot of fun too

[@sweetjamhit]

Jake, loved this barebow 'work in progress' video... learnt heaps, particularly the primary and secondary movements (because, man, have I been wondering how you process the grip sear as a primary movement, along with everything else post anchor, my brain hurts just thinking about it!) The self and process analysis as you're going is great... really informative. Thanks as always.

[@ryanbon]

Really insightful seeing you work through the trigger variations and hearing your thought process. Nice progress, keep at it! 👍

[@peterxyz3541]

It takes a great Super Ego to make yourself & your ID train & put it on YT for the world to see. 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼 I’m inspired to push harder & punch way above my station.

[@peternguyen1911]

Liked the video first, THEN watched it!

[@toddaway]

Problems with these psycho-triggers: 1) they require conscious focus, which diverts focus from expansion (conscious mind can only focus on 1 thing at a time), 2) the subconscious knows that a good shot can still be made even if the psycho-trigger has not activated...unlike a recurve clicker which will physically ruin the arrow flight if failed to activate, so your subconscious KNOWS it has to get through that clicker every single time. Most guys will find success with these psycho triggers in the beginning because it's something new to focus on and they are not under any pressure, but time and competition will show that it's just smoke and mirrors. Even Joel Turner has switched release methods to a thumb release (kzbin.info/www/bejne/eqetYWiBiatsjtE) and in my opinion it is because you can use that release more like a gun trigger and just squeeze the index finger until it slips off the thumb and the shot goes off. That should indicate that the sear method has problems. Psycho-triggers have been around for decades in Traditional archery (limb clickers, and even the touch of the arrow point to the bow-hand index finger, or hold the index finger of the bow hand up alongside the arrow until everything was perfect, so you couldn't release without the arrow hitting it, etc.). All that being said, I think if anyone can make it work, it's you, so I wish you the best, and look forward to your self-analysis after intense competitions!

[@garymickus6412]

Good points. I would be interested in what top barebow archers such as John Demmer III and Claire Xi use to handle target panic.

[@williambilse]

Do you have a different solution? My TP is so strong that I force the grip sear like hammering the trigger on a wrist strap release. I can't overpower my subconscious and I'm considering a limb mounted clicker for hunting.

[@toddaway]

@@williambilse That sounds familiar for sure. And that is because deep down you know that grip sear isn't contributing to the physical requirements of a good shot, so you brain is like "I'm at full draw, my aim is perfect, I really need to make this shot, but I'm &^%(!$# waiting for my fingernail to slip off the grip before I can shoot? I don't think so...bam." I think you can improve your control over TP by 1)being really strong physically so you can hold easily on target while you try to calm and focus your brain. and 2) having a final action that you truly are 100% convinced contributes to a good shot. For me, that is focusing on the felling of tension and direction after everything else is all set. But I'm always looking for better solutions.

[@lstavenhagen]

@@toddaway The acid test for any TP analysis is, does the solution it proposes actually work. Well, if you go by that metric, it turns out that "mental" TP treatments, tho they sound great on paper, fail in actual practice at a fantastically high rate, nearly 100%. Like Jake says, nearly every BB shooter he has coached has TP to some degree or other, and it's pretty certain they've tried every traditional "mental" remedy out there to no avail. OTOH approaches that take command-shooting as the basis of the problem into account, as Jake's option here does, put TP in remission at a similarly high rate, probably close to 100% or maybe a little under that. Either way, they are extraordinarily successful. This is why the surprise release is so effective against TP on the compound bow, and clickers which time the shot for the archer are almost universally used by olympic style archers. I think now is the time for a working alternative to command-releasing to finally come to barebow, and I think Jake has found it.....

[@toddaway]

@@lstavenhagen I agree the remedy for TP must be based on a physical approach, and a surprise release is ideal, and the only option barebow shooters have for a surprise release is a subconscious psycho-trigger...but I also think they will not hold up under pressure. You know what a lot of shooters of old used to call their psycho-trigger? Hitting their anchor point. And countless archers fail to reach their anchor because of shot anticipation, amplified by pressure situations.

[@BallisticSamFishing]

We have the very same Target panic. What you said nailed it. My hunting recurve with a clicker I can shoot with out TP. Same for No Intentions of shooting....just hold still all day. My compound is the same. Joel Turners Shot IQ is helping. With compound I can work through it using the Scott Hex release. Your not alone. Glad I’m not either! Also it sucks that barebow can’t use a clicker like one stuck to limb with string to string.

[@kennylainhart7148]

Great information and Advice Jake 👍👍👍👍

[@bobjimenez4464]

Thanks for another excellent video. I think that the air bubble technique might be the best for me. I really don't want to change my grip and the nail sear might create movement right before release. Please do more explanation of the air bubble technique. Thanks

[@Kovalainenn]

Man I’m shooting since 1999, but this guy always have something in his store I’ve never ever heard about.

[@FredrikEinberg]

Your TP symptoms is exactly same as mine. I have spent many hours trying to cure it in mental only ways but have not found a 100% solution. Thar creeping anxious feeling is supressed so I can shoot ok but not grear . A more mechanical approach I have tried involves anchor, put forehead against string and aim. With the string on the forehead you get kind of a wall (like on compound). Then start to pull/expand until it breaks. I.e. goal is to make a back tension type release (compound) with your fingers. Sometimes I get great shots with this approach. But I have not managed to get it consistent enough. Sometimes the pull cycle is too long or the fingers never breaks. For it too work greay, one need to relax finger until the string almost slips, the start the pulling. Have you tried something like this? I would like to see more vids on TP and your combat against it. I think TP is a struggle for most people. But many do not know what is. Thanks for a great channel!

[@garrymaben8088]

Due to various health/body issues I'm no longer able to use a clicker. I too have target panic and have tried this. It is harder than it looks. Going to have to invest many hours at blank boss. Also checked the shape of my grip and the edge is rounded so it's a good excuse for a new bow lol

[@sweetjamhit]

My issue with target panic has always been connected to scoring... as soon as I start scoring... "I don't know where this one's going", "will it affect my score", "I hope this one goes well". I now don't shoot scoring rounds very often during practice so I can engrain my process more and learn to trust my subconscious (but not shooting instinctively!). It still takes a lot of training and self discipline on my part to control my monkey brain... Monk brain vs Monkey brain!! I know that potentially has downsides when it comes to actually scoring, but the scores have been heading in the right direction when I 'let go'. Like a lot of us here, self doubt under pressure when shooting is the real enemy... if archery has taught me anything, surprisingly, it is that I need to learn to back myself more often - not something that I do naturally.

[@adamkilroe9840]

Very good advice regarding the exercise when younger. Low Testosterone causes so many problems later in life: Increased risk of type 2 diabetes loss of muscle mass and strength loss of energy increased fatigue depression increased risk of injury increased healing times You're doing a wonderful thing here Jake, it is greatly appreciated.

[@ddeboy002]

sucks getting old doesn't it. (senior here)

[@adamkilroe9840]

@@ddeboy002 yep. Turned 50 this year. Blood test revealed my testosterone level was nil. Not low, NIL.

[@ddeboy002]

@@adamkilroe9840 LOL.. you actually had to test it. LOL.

[@adamkilroe9840]

@@ddeboy002 oh yes, cluster of symptoms surrounding emergent Diabetes. Yep, low thyroid function, medication not working to control my diabetes (blood sugars pitching from 15 to 2 and back again, I was on Glicazide, now on Metformin, so all stable with blood sugars between 4 and 10) no detectable Testosterone, and both insomnia and severe depression, along with muscle mass loss and everything else I mentioned. "It's just because you're getting older and your body's slowing down, and the rest is psychological." Crap! That was a locum GP. My regular GP came back from holiday, went ballistic when I told him. I'm an ex-nurse, and I know my stuff. I requested a full blood work, which is when we found that the root problems were Glicazide which the locum had prescribed, and low testosterone. Put on Metformin and everything is coming back to normal, but Testosterone is still on the low side, and has been low for many years, and probably caused the Diabetes in the first place because my risk factors are very low.

[@ddeboy002]

@@adamkilroe9840 Sorry dude.. sure sucks, but all of us loose test as we get older. Part of life. But yeah... keep on shooting bullseyes. I'd be lucky to get one at 50/70 meters all day. I'm getting ready for indoor 18m. I plan on shooting gold 90% of the time. It's 90% mental 5% discipline 5% physical. Relax and focus. Peace.

[@toxic5000]

Would love to hear your take about the mindset you use to set yourself in the "overdrive" state (stop being lazy). I'm working really hard on it...

[@23fightingfalcon23]

Hey Jake, great video series an d a lot of information about handling the TP. Perhaps you can make a video about the details of the process of aiming in combination with the grip sear? My Kind of TP is the too early release. I am not sure, when is right moment for aiming and when it is time to forget about it…

[@sjpga]

Great stuff thanks. On a go forward imho, stay with recurve advise or bare bow advise on a specific video. Thank for what you do 💪

[@jamesdavison4549]

Really good vid Jake...hats off to ya

[@Waltham1892]

You have the makings of a half-way decent Marine.

[@jamiehodgson2026]

I gave up recurve because of the clicker, it beat me up for years! Barebow is a breath of fresh air for not having such a thing.

[@henrik_worst_of_sinners]

The clicker was created for the archer and not vice versa

[@oldon5881]

@@henrik_worst_of_sinners The clicker was created by an archer who had TP badly with the intention to make a device to maintain the same draw length initially. Now the clicker is the announcer that the arrow should be released. The clicker was created for one thing and the reason to be shifted to another thing. Interesting to see that "damaged" archers are the one who are pushing the progress in competitive archery.

[@henrik_worst_of_sinners]

@@oldon5881 Yes. My point was similar that is, if the clicker doesn't help you take it off. Or expressed in another way, put it on only if you need it, or if you're ready for it in your training progress.

[@jamiehodgson2026]

Absolutely agree acknowledge the clickers purpose but it gave me tp I shoot fine without it, but for those who get on with it, it's an advantage. I'm having a break from it. Like I said it's done my head in for years......the anticipation of it kills me. Not saying it's a bad thing for others but for me hell!

[@kirillf.8053]

Hi Jake. I also had (and continue to have) target panic for the last 6-7 months, but now I've found a way to overcome it (or it seems) at least while I'm training. I'm a very competitive person and usually find myself fighting against my previous scores or of the people who's better (and hence, struggling). So for the last month, I've tried to focus on a mix of draw holds and blank bale (close range, with target, but eyes closed) as my main training routine and I found that it really helps me to shoot FITA-40 and 3D IBO rounds better. I hold steadier, have fewer drive-by's, and am feeling more confident than before. Yet, I wonder how I feel in a competitive environment because I haven't been there since I've incorporated this routine. I'd like to get a few thoughts on the topic if you have any. Also, have you tried 3D with barebow? What's your opinion on it?

[@bluechiparcherychippycarpe2780]

Great stuff ,as always, Jake 🏹😊

[@andreafranco3483]

Jake, could you also plan a video about "cooling and stretching" drills after the practice in addition to the warmup (I watched that video on Facebook)?

[@ddeboy002]

for me-I just count once the string touches my nose. 1 thousand 1 1 thousand 2 *ting*. All the while keeping my bow arm as relaxed as I can. I also make sure my grip hand is in the exact same place everytime. I marked my bow hand with 5 points of fine marker. I use the creases in my skin to point at those marks. It's like bowling to me-if my grip ain't right-I'm never hitting my target 40' away. I highly recommend Dean Hinitz book focused for bowling. Many of the tools in the book can be used in any repetitive sport.

[@mitchellblount4896]

I have fought TP for 25 years. This appears to be an idea that could be very helpful. Can you tell me, what are you thinking when at full draw, before the finger pop occurs? Aiming? Finger pop? Thanks for any tips

[@hunternelson1679]

I have the exact same thing!

[@MarvinHeath-y2m]

What length Bow handle also limb length are you using. Thanks also types

[@jshankar1000]

Hey, realise it's a bit older video. Can you clarify difference between primary and secondary motions please. I may have missed something.

[@nhungieuhayho2416]

Hello. Nice to meet you.

[@oldon5881]

Just one question Jake: If the grip sear is activated based on visual input, when are you starting to think about this and how this thought is affecting the eye focus?

[@paulavirmasalo]

Is the clicker (what it might be) always activated in the expansion phase or a bit earlier? I’m wondering does it apply to all sorts of mental clickers, like feather to nose/chin. It seems like the ones who use the feather technique, start to pull it to face quite early in the shot cycle. They do the loading, anchoring, stop and then pull the arrow several millimeters until it touches the face. Thank you for your great channel, you’ve made me re-think my shot cycle.

[@paulavirmasalo]

Or perhaps the trad shooters who use the feather clicker don’t have an ”expansion” phase, if expansion means not moving the anchor.

[@maori_nerd]

great video! Love your honesty in all your videos as well as being so informative. Those birds are frickin annoying though!

[@Johnjakobjingleheimerschmidt]

Will blank baling and grip sear help my compound release as well?

[@StumpArchery]

Hi Jake ...What is a good length arrow to start if you have 27.5 draw length for bare shaft tuning ? Should i start with 30 or 31 that we get from lancaster or cut to 29 and start there ?

[@johnjohnston7680]

Jake , what are your thoughts on a tab sear.

[@zane7143]

We shot together in 2010 at National Field in Spokane( Olympic recurve) . I was on the barebow team in '08. You are correct that most barebow shooters have AIMING ANXIETY. That problem with the phycological fix is that they are temporary. I don't agree with some of the GURU stuff being tought. I've been shooting/ hunting recurve since 1985 and I believe that it just takes work to get past it. That being said, I did develope a new clicker that fixes this for me. See my video.

[@InFerrumVeritas]

I'm surprised you didn't use the Mantis to compare stability between the different methods.

[@lachezarkrastev7123]

I think when the finger is "clicking" there will be a disturbance which will affect the accuracy. Why you do not try counting to three in your mind when you start aiming and release on three. It works well for me.

[@ddeboy002]

Jake-I just watched a vid from a coach online about aiming and where the string should be for a right hander. When I bullseye-my string is to the left of my sight and the string is on my nose. I've adjusted to this because it's all I have. I'm thinking the arrows are way too stiff as I put the string inline with my sight to target it hits way left-feet to the left with feathers. I'm shooting 500s as that was the highest the store had. 30lb bow 27" draw at 18m. I think I might be wasting my time tuning my 500 arrows when I think my arrows might be the whole issue why I can't line up straight. Is this correct?

[@AmberMainesVixxen]

I think I have a silly question...How come Mr. Kaminski.... Do you seem to press harder into your nose and face when you're in the tournaments, but not when you practice or make our videos for us? If absolute consistency is necessary I mean ...41 F, Been shooting for a year-: 62" 25lb Spyder takedown recurve... Instinctual. I've found that the way you explain and demonstrate everything in Archery from the beginning on the most Informative and also easy to follow. Tho I have had to take Notebooks of notes and look up a plethora of definitions and meanings, Lol you make difficult things easier to understand. (Especially when I started without knowing ANYTHING at all!) :) So Thank You. I've been a stay at home mom with no $ of my own so I have not been able to contribute... But I just got a construction type job and will do all I can to support you're channel. Sorry, long winded... Everything about this sport for me has been mimicked after you as best as can. I pluck tho... And sometimes psych myself out on the target, and I'm not steady enough, I'm scared to move back from 35 ft... It's ridiculous. But I've gone back to 45 tonight... 1st time. Not as bad as I thought..... My arrows are weak. I Could go On and On Lol ... SORRY! and thank you

[@williambilse]

I like to hike with a 40# weighted vest. It's what I do to prepare for a trip to the mountains. Great vid JK.

[@abnormallynormal8823]

Hey Jake, super noob question (not at all related to the grip sear): Is there a way to keep my string from untwisting after I unstrung my bow? I’m having to adjust my brace height pretty much every time I string my bow, and I was just wondering if there was a way to set it and forget it, or if I needed to bring my square to the range every time

[@tomsonntag2809]

you can eat make a sort of a "knot" in it, you take one ear and make it wide, like into a circle, and put the other ear into it, and pull it through, and after pullign it through you are also widen this up.

[@garymickus6412]

You can try using a paper clip to hold the string ends. Also similar to the method previously described, check out Shore Shot archery with Anthony Marino. He has a good instructional video. However it’s still a good idea to check brace height with a bow square before you shoot.

[@garymickus6412]

@araradrew excellent suggestion!

[@ddeboy002]

Jake-put a piece of kt tape on that flick finger and stop the blisters.

[@JakeKaminskiArchery]

I don’t have any blisters. I use my nail and not my finger.

[@ddeboy002]

@@JakeKaminskiArchery ok. Keep shooting.

[@ddeboy002]

@@JakeKaminskiArchery Do you practice in downpours and lightning? I'm out here shooting my 250 arrows in a thunderstorm, but I have no choice. I've got to get it done.

[@shaneewell7404]

Great video. I have crazy target panic with bare bow as well. I noticed that Clay Hayes has a small pin on his self bow grip to help with the same thing. Question....What poundage bow do you shoot with Olympic bare bow? Shane

[@evilryu29]

I have something.... I'm new to target shooting 3 or 4 month in. But shooting time maybe 30hr once a week once every two weeks. Anyway My question is why after an hour of shooting my string finger hurt I use a glow am I releasing wrong or just not getting tired what u said up and down points is right what I do to fix this problem and my shots suck after a hour

[@JakeKaminskiArchery]

You’ll need to build up calluses or get a thicker tab/glove.

[@jagdishsakhrani1193]

Hi jake , love your channel and videos, I had a question about arrow length, I Shoot an Olympic Recurve, when I'm at full draw and extending I feel at a point ready to shoot body and mind wise, but at that time the clicker hasn't clicked so I extend more but that hurts my shot execution , should I shorten my arrow ?

[@electoplater]

2 are u overdrawing the bow could be tension in the wrist causing torgwue in the string

[@helphelpimbeingrepressed9347]

Have you tried a sight mounted clicker?

[@helphelpimbeingrepressed9347]

Can anybody clue me in on the make of that backpack Jake is wearing? I've searched for weighted rucksacks etc & keep coming up with the sort you load little sand bags into.

[@JakeKaminskiArchery]

I built it. I’ll list some for sale on my website.

[@helphelpimbeingrepressed9347]

@@JakeKaminskiArchery Ah that'll be why I can't find it lol. Cheers

[@TracyPicabia]

It's a 'psycho' trigger right? So I'm wondering why you couldn't get round the torque issue by coming to optimum anchor, expansion and aim with the finger nail in position, your recommended moment of calm and then imagining the click, and releasing. A sort of meta-psycho trigger.

[@thewhiskybowman]

Ok, question: what do you do if you get to a competition, you are setting up, and break that nail to where it is too short to do that with?

[@JakeKaminskiArchery]

Go to a salon and get a fake fail put on my left middle finger haha.

[@JakeKaminskiArchery]

Plus I run my nail as short as possible anyhow.

[@thewhiskybowman]

@@JakeKaminskiArchery Fair enough, it just looks like adding another point of potential equipment failure, for lack of a better term, that isn't really required, especially if you start relying on it. But if it is helping then I guess that is all that matters.

[@JakeKaminskiArchery]

If that happens, I’ll Gladly enjoy a cold one and wait for others to finish, it’s barebow after all.

[@thewhiskybowman]

@@JakeKaminskiArchery A solid plan! I just like to make sure I have thought through the potential pit falls of adding, or changing, things to the shot cycle before they become something you start to depend on. If you have already considered them and decided they are worth the trade off if something goes wrong with it then that's good enough.

[@ludodg]

What is spt?

[@lstavenhagen]

PS: I'm trying a "proof of concept" on my Inno CXT where I glued a thin piece of plastic into the edge of my grip that my middle finger nail pops off of. My goal is to have an increase in pressure integrated into my overall pull through the shot. This makes it just like the way I fire my Like Mike on compound, where increase in pressure on the trigger finger is integrated into my shot on that bow for a surprise release. The hope there is I''m already accustomed to this on compound with no anticipation issues, so that may give me a head start on a working technique on the grip sear idea. So far it's promising, but obviously not legal for barebow. But it's more to see if I can get a working technique. Then I'll worry about a legal solution later....

[@JakeKaminskiArchery]

I like it. Good work. I feel Similar results and similarities when not pulling the actual finger, rather a larger movement that makes the finger move (pressure low in the grip) and the secondary motion is the finger moving. This will help discourage the issue people have in competition with the sear/psycho triggers. I’m trying to cut a path and a method that works for TP like the clicker does for recurve and I can share the journey for others to see. I’m hoping to stumble on a bullet proof method for others to use who struggle with TP.

[@lstavenhagen]

@@JakeKaminskiArchery yep, like I said, I have exactly the same form of TP that you describe, and it's the main reason I've shot compound for all this time. And could only moderately shoot olympic style. I've always wanted to shoot barebow, but it has always been out of reach because of TP. I struggled with the clicker too, but I think that's because it's mostly audible and doesn't give me as forceful of a signal as the tactile fingernail popping off the sear does. When I do it just right - no creeping/grinding but a clean instant pop its totally unmistakeable. I can't ignore it or miss it or fumble with it, my release is totally a "surprise" with no anticipation at all. So barebow may be the ticket for me to return to recurve with the grip sear....

[@kenn1320]

@@JakeKaminskiArchery what is the issue people have in competition with sears/pshyco triggers? The only problems Ive encountered were from non users and their hate towards the use of them. IBO and ASA made a stink and submitted a letter to world archery. I havent heard anything in months, but as you said they cannot ban an action.

[@remigiusevan5853]

My grip sear have failed me... First few days using it my score is increasing, it does help with my target panic. But suddenly, after a few days break, the target panic comes back and got worst, I even ignore my grip sear and scoring even much less than before... Any input for my way out anyone?

[@dupemaster]

I see a lot of movement in your bow hand that tells me you are actively pulling your finger off of the grip. Im a complete ammeter archer, but a very accomplished precision rifle shooter and pay a lot of attention to movement of the hand upon pulling the trigger. I guess my question is: how do you know when it right? From what I can see, it looks like you are the one deciding when your finger “falls” off the grip.

[@mcdougles]

I teach both BB an OR. In case of BB I never teach something like this grip sear. Instead of fixing your grip to be able to sear it (last video) try to get rid of it. Even with OR, I usually add the clicker last when backtension and expansion works. I stand beside them and watching the arrow point. I practice several exercises with them to learn not depend on the trigger. eg not shooting when clicks (hold for one more second), one arrow with clicker next one without it, etc

[@archerybob1]

Mid 30's!!! damn son...you are ancient.

[@kenn1320]

Until you came on the scene, Ive heard over and over again how TP is a form issue. I dont like to see anyone have TP, but who can argue your form is bad, hence your TP? My anxiety is so bad I cant even take a good picture on my phone without punching the screen at just the right time. Its horrible. Joel has made archery fun again for me.

[@caribbeancanuck872]

There's something I don't understand about this kind of sear.. if when you (your brain) know you are ready to shoot, instead of at that time consciously perform your sear (nail on grip), to hear it and then shoot, why not shoot the moment you (your brain) know you are ready ?

[@JakeKaminskiArchery]

Because there is no way to be ready. if there is intention to shoot the arrow before drawing back, I cannot aim at all. Literally not able To put the point on the center without letting go too soon and inconsistently.

[@lstavenhagen]

I disagree with "smoke and mirrors". TP is based on having to time the shot by "command shooting" - Michael Braden uses the term "controlling the release" to describe this underlying reason for TP. Basically, its the ability to anticipate that very instant in time (because you're controlling it) that's the actual problem - your mind and body are fully alerted to the instant the bow goes kapow against your upper body. Instinctively, your body will attempt to protect itself against any blow to it whose timing it's fully aware of. This instinct is nearly impossible to suppress, so TP is a typical result. The solution is replacing this instantaneous archer-decided command with another simpler process that times the instant of the release for you. The "surprise release" is the analogue on the compound with a somewhat different mechanism, but underlyingly it's a similar concept. That's what this grip sear method does - it relieves you of the burden of timing the shot. The slow process that ends with the finger popping off the sear is what times the shot for you. It sounds like a crutch or "smoke and mirrors" but it isn't. In just the same way using a clicker to time the release for you does. I have exactly the same form of TP as Jake does and I have had to shoot compound because of it, because the surprise release is available there. I've enjoyed many years of TP free shooting on compound with the surprise shot, but my first love is olympic recurve. But I just discovered the grip sear on my recurve, and I'm having a similar experience with it as Jake describes here. If it's successful for me, I can resume shooting recurve, and I'll just switch from olympic to barebow also. So far it works much better than a clicker for me, I believe because it's a tactile signal rather than merely audible. So Im going to put some more time into it....

[@Australian_Made]

😀

[@electoplater]

u are creeping forward on some shots

[@helphelpimbeingrepressed9347]

He did say this is going to take it out of him, gotta get the conditioning up first :)

[@social3ngin33rin]

DAMN!!!!! I know you're in Florida too, so you're probably dying lol

[@frithroad]

Could you put a clicker in your mouth ? 😉