What is A Lesbian?: Bisexual Lesbians and Lesbian History

[@Trash-Garbage-Trash]

My most offensive opinion is in the last 20 seconds btw.

[@FlaminTubbyToast]

Excuse you, those fold lines are original. I’ve had my flags for 3, I say 3 years now and still they have the same fold lines. (I jest, I jest)

[@Trash-Garbage-Trash]

@@FlaminTubbyToast you wouldn't be alone lmao

[@DracoGalboy]

I feel personally attacked

[@Trash-Garbage-Trash]

@@DracoGalboy lmao

[@Ilikebread879]

How dare you/s

[@Trash-Garbage-Trash]

Thank you to Elysian Fields for letting me use your art and to "That Bitch Erina" for acting in my scene transition clips! And thanks everyone for watching! I promise to continue getting better at video editing. I literally could not get worse at it so I am sure to keep that promise.

[@CrazyKungfuGirl]

The random straight guy who was like " I don't know what's happening but ACAB!"

[@adalette]

“pokemon go to the gay bar” 💀💀💀

[@Trash-Garbage-Trash]

Thank you for appreciating this line! I felt very silly saying it lmao

[@NattiNekoMaid]

I want to but covid is so bad 😭

[@adalette]

@@NattiNekoMaid i mean i went to a basement show in a very queer venue the other night and everyone was wearing a mask. queer spaces probably have a lower viral load in the air than most

[@Dave-hp4vh]

I was literally about to quote / comment this and it was the featured comment... yes, yes, yes. I'm playing Pokémon Rainbow, let's trade.

[@Kagomai15]

Someone I know is a bisexual lesbian, because she primarily likes women and often doesn't feel like letting people know she's attracted to men, because it's only certain men, and very rarely. So she identifies more with lesbians.

[@Trash-Garbage-Trash]

I think that's a very good way to navigate her situation!

[@SpecialBlanket]

That's me too. It's such a negligible part of my sexuality that telling people would misrepresent the situation and open the door to a bunch of stuff I don't want to hear. Plus I'm not even sure if it's attraction even in those very rare cases, or just non-repulsion.

[@Ilikebread879]

That sounds like me honestly, but it feels easier to just call myself bisexual because it's too much to explain to other people.

[@Kagomai15]

@@Ilikebread879 totally valid as well ♡♡♡

[@erikabloodaxe2581]

Something common I find weird and uncomfortable is if someone cites rape for the reason they have a genital preference. The trans person is just hitting on them. We don’t need to know they link trans women with rape for one. Trauma dumping on people who hit on you in a space where people are flirting is kinda messed up.

[@Trash-Garbage-Trash]

I feel like they could reject someone without that part

[@PercyGrace11]

I myself have been SAed in some form by all of the guys I dated in my youth. (I know now that dating men really want the move for me anyway) I dated a trans femme for a while and had almost no issues with that trauma because she wasn't a man. Obviously everyone experiences trauma differently, but it just wasn't a problem for me like 90% of the time, and the few times it was an issue we just navigated it with open communication and trust

[@milascave2]

One of the reasons that many women within the "Daughters of Bilitus wanted their members to wear dresses is because it made it a lot harder for the cops to arrest them. Apparently, they showed up one day, but they said, "Hey, we're not doing anything wrong. Look, we are all wearing dresses."And the police left them alone.

[@mr.cauliflower3536]

"they are talking about freeing palestine and stopping cop city in atlanta" Wow, I knew many of yall were based, but I didn't know you were that based.

[@Trash-Garbage-Trash]

A lot of the lesbian community is incredibly based. Not all of them, but a hell of a lot of them.

[@milliescient]

the symbolism of steaming the flag to remove the creases, representing divisions between different parts of lesbianism, is by far the gayest part of this video

[@Trash-Garbage-Trash]

Thank you I definitely meant that for sure lmao 😅

[@farmerfella]

Freud: These two people in an extremely private and close relationship might have feelings for each other. Society: *Shocked Pikachu face*

[@Sasha0317]

I watched this assuming your channel probably had like a few hundred thousand subs, give or take - literally gasped when i saw your sub count as i subscribed afterwards lol. Great video, can't wait to see more! sincerely, a very queer trans woman who really enjoyed your take on all of this

[@Trash-Garbage-Trash]

Omg, thank you! I didn't even own a microphone until two months ago and I don't really know how to edit videos, so I'm honestly very surprised to even have 200 subscribers at this point!

[@selkrasouza6262]

Ever since I learned that lesbian historically included bisexual women, I’ve become the biggest supporter of bisexual lesbians.

[@SynthieFlowers]

47:28 i feel so personally attacked right now

[@raegan_1018]

I've always liked when labels are more open and less strict. I feel like making strict definitions that people must use to define themselves is missing the idea of queerness! I am a lesbian and I cannot be defined

[@NattiNekoMaid]

7:33 sounds like an unwanted dating ad just got put in the paper

[@Trash-Garbage-Trash]

lmao good point

[@Crissy_the_wonder]

Great video, thank you

[@Trash-Garbage-Trash]

Thank you!

[@BhbtheRock]

@35:15 absolutely correct. It's not that bi men experience more biphobia than bi women in general, per se; but that gay men's spaces are SO biphobic

[@Trash-Garbage-Trash]

Yeah, it's not more or less per se, it's just a different kind/level of biphobia, and many bi men choose to publicly identify as gay to avoid the stigma, while bisexual women are less likely to publicly identify as straight or lesbian an be bi in private. These lesbians are being biphobic, in saying that the only reason bi people identify the way they do is social pressure, when it's clear the reverse is much more common.

[@Trash-Garbage-Trash]

I think it's also perhaps more dangerous for bisexual women to hide their bisexuality, because we know that bisexual women are often abused when they reveal their bisexuality to a new partner, and having it revealed later in a relationship rather than disclosed at the beginning can be extremely dangerous, so bi women are more likely to disclose at the start to avoid this outcome, in my opinion. I don't know if that's true or not, but I do know that when I've disclosed my bisexuality it has been met with anger and disgust in a way that felt dangerous many times. More so from women than men, who usually saw it as "not a real relationship" or "hot." But men were not entirely exempt from anger either.

[@deltoro4926]

While yes biphobia is very prominent in the community it's still a product of homophobia and lesbophobia as well like spreading the myth of bi men are trying to give women STDs and bi women are bring predatory men to pride, but iirc that have very little significance to the label itself right?

[@frenchgiogio]

​@@deltoro4926Wrong. Biphobia is not a product of homophobia, otherwise homosexuals couldn't practice it without being affected by it but they do. Biphobia is about and centers bisexuality as a reason for hatred, fear and disgust. Bisexuals ALSO experience homophobia on top of that, which is different.

[@MinaCarroll-t3p]

very interesting thank you

[@Trash-Garbage-Trash]

Glad you enjoyed it! Thank you!

[@gothtomboyasmr]

I LOVE GAY HISTORY 🔥🔥 let’s goooo

[@Trash-Garbage-Trash]

Me too! I'm hoping to have more videos out soon!

[@ravensong7128]

26:30 oh no, cue “totally not biphobic” but definitely biphobic Karen here! Bisexuals and bi-lesbians existing is lesbian erasure, but somehow attacking those identities isn’t supposed to be bisexual erasure! I bet Reddit ladies would have a field day with this one!

[@DilutedH2SO4]

Tangentially related, but the fact a random Irish king from the 8th century AD is more accepting than most people today always cracks me up _The king was silent then. 'Have you had playful mating with another woman?', said he, 'and do not conceal it if you have'. 'I will not conceal it', said she; 'I have'. 'It is true...', said the king. 'That woman had mated with a man just before, and the semen which he left with her, she put into your womb in the tumbling, so that it was begotten in your womb. That man is the father of your child, and let it be found out who he is'._ (from Niall Frossach's True Judgement, preserved in 10th century Book of Leinster) (this is one of the least bizarre events in Irish legend btw) Me personally, i think we should call all nmlnm activity as “playful mating” from now on /j

[@MiddleAgedMartianDog]

The predominant “born this way” fixed sexuality narrative I do feel is a bit more nuanced in the specifically a-spec and trans non-binary communities. Like it is clearly still mostly the case (and for transgender people’s gender emphatically the case albeit not always obviously) but there are so many sub-labels in these communities that it does end up being a journey and frankly one’s experience of sexuality can change A LOT as an asexual or someone transitioning or especially as both. And recognising that fluidity and NOT gate keeping is seen as much more important than in the lesbian and gay communities because self realisation of ace or trans identities is hard enough as it is.

[@sykes1024]

I do enjoy me some David Tennant being a weird little freak...

[@salamilidaintgonfit7576]

“Lesbian means non-men attracted to non-men” what about my gender-fluid high fem Tom boy mom who dated a lesbian named DOREEN. What’s that? They’re really gonna invalidate Doreen like this?

[@balticstain7150]

Most interesting

[@balticstain7150]

I came out when I was 60 and married, I love female fashion especially leggings and latex pants omg gorgeous and purple lipstick.

[@balticstain7150]

Do you like transgender yourself or fetish

[@volatilewoman3802]

glad i came across this, i've been having a whole internal renaissance in my connection to the term lesbian

[@Trash-Garbage-Trash]

That's great!

[@sheldonlamey7010]

Your Voice is very unique ( and your accent is.intresting too).

[@Trash-Garbage-Trash]

Thank you lol

[@lela8089]

As a trans masc butch its really funny to me that you go "people who were then call butches" hello i'm still here :D (the video is really good and i enjoy it!! This is not a criticism)

[@Trash-Garbage-Trash]

Lol, sorry for the accidental butch erasure!

[@Whimsical_b1sen]

While we’re on the topic of bettering & preserving the queer community and investment in the community I would love to bring up 🔥MUTUAL AID🔥if you don’t know what that is it’s essentially a theory around caring for community with out hierarchy or relying on organisations like NGOs ect. Anyway what I’m trying to get at is you should also actively assist queer and other marginalised people that have fallen through the cracks of the system and urgently need help, or even just if they’re running out of capacity. Whether that’s donating, cooking a meal, giving someone a place to stay, education ect it is SUPER IMPORTANT that we all do this bec people are dying as we speak and no one’s going to help us except US! TLDR: if you have enough money to go to a gay bar, then you also have capacity to donate to someone in community who needs it

[@Trash-Garbage-Trash]

Oh absolutely! It's pretty much the most important thing in our community.

[@MxVerdaArt]

We need more LesBi bars?

[@Trash-Garbage-Trash]

We absolutely do

[@Khannea]

Ohhhooowww you are bi, how fascinating tell me more

[@rowan2901]

The only thing I don't like about how the word lesbian is used is that there's terms for people who also like men, that wasn't always the case but now it is. If you are into men who are like 100% that's a man, you arent a lesbian ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ -a transmasc lesbian

[@sykes1024]

Heretic! How dare you discontinue the tradition of keeping the flag fold lines!

[@InkArgent]

Really burried that steamer lede 😆

[@KetsuekiRose]

the ultimate irony being that Sappho herself was...bisexual! When I threw that coin in the fountain, I asked to be dipped in honey and thrown to the lesbians but I got doused in Old Spice and left at Folsom Street. smdh...there was that hot topless lesbian kiss photographed in front of the White House during the 1993 March on Washington(in the April 93 copy of The Economist), but both my friend and I that were in it transed out after and that's just so queer, right?

[@hampai7137]

Her husband was called a dick from man island??? It's a joke from ancient greece