Tool's The Pot came in completely unexpected, wow.
@sardhikhaansi3 жыл бұрын
Well Danny Carey did study percussion in Calcutta, and does do a lot of indian rhythms in his sections.
@moadot7202 жыл бұрын
Not for me… …Because I read the f**king description. 😎😎😎😎 (THUG LIFE-)
@eduardoGentile720 Жыл бұрын
Danny Carey is pretty much the God of non western percussion style
@phillythekidtattoos4 ай бұрын
This almost pissed me off, LOL ,seeing someone just fully read it like a book. I've always found that intro hard to catch because of that start on beat 2. Fucking genius
@Ben865113 жыл бұрын
Wow, I've been interested in alternative time signatures for years but have never found someone who explains them in such a fun and clear way. Thank you
@YogevGabay3 жыл бұрын
Wow, thank you!
@samwise25883 жыл бұрын
Indian rhythms are so slick. Really enjoy the Konnikol drum-talking too.
@matthewbenedict59233 жыл бұрын
The Berkeley Indian Ensemble!! That's where I recognize your from!
@YogevGabay3 жыл бұрын
Hahahahahahahahaha epic!
@rgcrgc59483 жыл бұрын
Me too!
@brandonmonroe98223 жыл бұрын
Right?! How cool! Wait, does that mean you worked on the song Drip with Tigran?!?!
@YogevGabay3 жыл бұрын
@@brandonmonroe9822 Hell yeah !! Played drums there together with my brother Maxime Cholley !
@rmshredz3 жыл бұрын
this channel is pure gold, please never stop!
@peteharman10612 жыл бұрын
That's filled a few gaps in my drumming knowledge , and I've been at it for a lot of years .Teaching myself mainly but have always been interested in this kind of stuff. Fantastic work !
@Gnurklesquimp2 жыл бұрын
I find writing rhythms to fall into place on the 1 really helps create grooves in odd time signatures, just work backwards to make that 1 satisfying, essentially. A super simple demonstration is, instead of cutting off your polymeter at the end, start it late so it ends up on the 1, or whatever note you wanna emphasize, gets even more interesting with a weak 1.
@argmined3 жыл бұрын
This is the best explanation of tihai (chakradhar) I have come across (and I play pakhavaj - a barrel drum for Indian classical music).
@YogevGabay3 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot !
@FrictionFive2 жыл бұрын
I agree that this video is an excellent explanation... however, it is not Chakradhar Tihai -- it's Anagat Tihai. Chakradhar is when the final note of the third repetition falls on Beat 1 (Sam)... Anagat is when the three repetitions are completed before Beat 1 (Sam). That's as I understand it.
@rhlc191512 күн бұрын
@@FrictionFive A chakradhar tihai would be when (in the 'phrase-gap-phrase-gap-phrase' format) each phrase is a tihai with the last note ending on sam. tihai1 - gap - tihai2 - gap - tihai3 (Sam)
@Koropokel3 жыл бұрын
THANK YOU! This is one of the most interesting concepts in rhythmic music! please more Tihais and Konnakol!!
@sepiarain3 жыл бұрын
I really enjoyed that. I'll be listening out for these now, and will experiment myself.
@gabrielagoni81313 жыл бұрын
Hey! I discovered your channel a few days ago and I've been binge watching your videos. I studied musical education and your methods are a million times better and more didactic than the methods I learnt in university. Also, now I'm studying indian classical music by myself, and I would LOVE IT if you make more videos about it. Thank you for your amazing content!! Saludos desde Chile :)
@gabrielagoni81313 жыл бұрын
Oh, and I have to recommend you an ensemble from my region. It's called Antonio Monasterio Ensamble, they play a fusion between jazz and latin american music, including a turkish oud, a bulgarian kaval, and do some crazy rhythmic stuff too. Their album is full on youtube, please check it out!
@YogevGabay3 жыл бұрын
That's awesome! and I sure will keep putting on more Indian content !
@YogevGabay3 жыл бұрын
Man they sound great!
@stefbroks13 жыл бұрын
Crazy good video Yogev. You create all the videos with topics I always liked to explain. And with humor and with great explanation. Credits!!
3 жыл бұрын
I made a rhythmic analysis video on 8+5 by Steve Smith, cool stuff happends in this song including but not limited to Tihais. When I first hear this song I couldn't tell what was going on in the Tihai parts, once I learned some Konnakol basics (with Asaf Sirkis' videos) I was able to understand it. I liked your way to explain it a lot!
@EricT433 жыл бұрын
I just found your channel and am binging everything. You explain these complicated rhythmic concepts very well. Looking forward to more!
@MegaKalyaka11 ай бұрын
Amazing explanation. Thanks for sharing 🙏🌺🫶🏽
@jasonkoontz81253 жыл бұрын
great teaching Yogev
@yuvalrozin3 жыл бұрын
This. Is. AMAZING! More videos on Indian music pleaseeeeee!
@lajeanette333 жыл бұрын
I just discovered your channel and i looove it!
@bhushandeshmukh28103 жыл бұрын
No wonder you're from Berkley. Beautifully explained man.
@sps10533 жыл бұрын
Great content!
@andrewolivetreemixing3 жыл бұрын
Can't stop binging your videos! Looks like a ton of work goes into this, thank you!
@rolandreid58543 жыл бұрын
So interesting! Thanks for explaining this. I stumbled across the Berkley Indian Ensemble a couple of months back and enjoyed the music so much. I never realized that you played with them.
@Afghamistam3 жыл бұрын
Look up Drip by Tigran Hamasayan at Berklee - shit will melt your face right off.
@YogevGabay3 жыл бұрын
Oh man that was such a session damnnnn
@FrictionFive2 жыл бұрын
Great video, but... I only wish you had specified that this is the Anagat form of Tihai... I was quite confused watching this video, because I was previously only familiar with the Chakradar Tihai. I hadn't realized that there is this other Tihai form, so it sent me on quite a googling mission. The good part is now I know. Regardless, this is a fantastic video with fun, clear explanation and super examples. Thank you for posting.
@YogevGabay2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for bringing that up !
@andreitimofti3 жыл бұрын
Hi brother. I just stumbled upon your channel by watching the Combustion breakdown which simply left me amazed by your teaching skills. Then I dug some more only to find you're a freaking monster on drums as well. Instant sub! Keep these coming! Also if I may, can you do a similar breakdown to the beginning pattern from "The art of dying" by Gojira? That would be amazing! Cheers!
@YogevGabay3 жыл бұрын
Ohhh thanks man! And hell yeah, putting that song in the list!
@transcribemusic3 жыл бұрын
Yogev!! You're killing it again. Awesome video, awesome editing and excellent explanations! It's always a joy to learn from you. I would love to see more content on Indian rhythms, especially with regard to konnakol etc. I really appreciate the effort you put into your videos. It's absolutely worth every second of it!
@YogevGabay3 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot Lukas! I'm gonna include more Indian concepts for sure!
@mistakenintegrity3 жыл бұрын
New Sub here (yesterday, after watching Combustion video) and excited to see this video! Huge fan of Indian Classical music (mostly Hindustani) It is Divine Music
@YogevGabay3 жыл бұрын
Welcome aboard!
@MichaelWashingtonAE2 жыл бұрын
WAHH!!!!! Great breakdown
@slowerpicker3 жыл бұрын
I just found your channel, and your explanations are so clear that you’ve given me hope of learning to play these spectacular and mysterious rhythms.
@YogevGabay3 жыл бұрын
Welcome aboard!
@shubham62883 жыл бұрын
Dude I knew I had seen you somewhere! I'm an absolute fan of the 5 peace band you guys did at Berklee! Can't believe I saw so much of your content without realizing it's you!
@YogevGabay3 жыл бұрын
Ohhhh yes! love that group man !
@ThePhlegming3 жыл бұрын
I really enjoy these videos, thank you for massaging my brain with fun musical ideas
@psychotrout3 жыл бұрын
I have never seen your channel until recently and I must say that apart being very interesting the way of presenting things with paper and cardboard is pure genius!
@YogevGabay3 жыл бұрын
Welcome aboard! Thanks a lot!
@coxinitus3 жыл бұрын
Dude I end to watch your last video and I was thinking about that I need something like THIS! are you reading my mind? you're amazing!
@YogevGabay3 жыл бұрын
hahhahaha Perfect!
@chameleon-dream-band-official3 жыл бұрын
This is channel is a great find (and I really enjoy the way you deliver the content). I'm really stuck in traditional western style writing and have been wanting to learn more about other cultural approaches to break out of this. Thank you!
@YogevGabay3 жыл бұрын
Welcome aboard! More of this to come
@anthonywilson73723 жыл бұрын
Thanks. Good description.
@efraintoro50733 жыл бұрын
Nice ... the basis for this topic is much simpler ... but difficult to explain... 3 and 2 relationship which is natural .... the Indian classical musicians created this idea ... long story ! All ethnic music has these ideas but in a very simple way the Indians discovered the cycles of time and created linear math which we still use today as well as they gave us the NUMERAL which are still know as ARABIC but that is incorrect .... hopefully we will update knowledge soon before quantum computers are here ... it is a white Greco Roman tradition that dominates the west and most of the world and has blocked us from knowing these truths ... still with the advent of the web it’s very difficult to get to this information but there is always hope. Keep up the good work and if you have any questions please answer this message and I will be glad to help . Sincerely !
@MatheusLeston3 жыл бұрын
Holy crap, I've seen the 5 Peace Band video many times and just now I realized it was you! 🤯
@ylin70063 жыл бұрын
Clearly explained. Great content
@AlexDemiurge3 жыл бұрын
This was SO insightful. I really appreciate all the effort you put in all your videos. I've recently discovered your channel and I became an instant fan haha. Greetings from Argentina!
@Simonewhitesim-1music3 жыл бұрын
So nice.
@actuallyasriel3 жыл бұрын
Finally, something new to add to my repertoire of Things To Find In Rhythm Game Music And Then Tell Literally Everyone I Know About!!
@SelfPropelledDestiny7 ай бұрын
In both Tihai videos, we hear them described as "polyrhythms". But to my understanding. polyrhythms always begin at 1 and circle back around to start at 1 (essentially tuplets on top of one another). These Tihais seem to be a representation of "polymeter". They are a meter of say 7/8 on top of 4/4, or a meter of 12/16 on top of 5/4, etc.
@ColSims3 жыл бұрын
This is fucking amazing man. So glad I found your channel - such a great presentation of these musical ideas!
@breadstuff3 жыл бұрын
hi Yogev, i'm a very big fan of your channel as well as your collab works. i'm very new to Indian music theory structure and not quite comfortable with complex rhythm, but I eager to learn! I really tried to slow down the video and figure out the Tihais in the examples you gave, here's my understanding, hope you can give a look! In the first kind of Tihais, you already break down the drum fill, so I will give the second kind of Tihai's examples an explanation: First one: A whole big phrase is two-and-a-half beat long (♩ ♩. ): where phrase = 1 beat (♩) and gap = 1,5 beat (♩. ). So the Tihai phrases in the bass solo starts at: the 5; the "and" between 2 and 3; and other 5 (" " marks where the phrase starts): ♩ ♩ ♩ ♩ "♩"| ♩. "♩" ♩. "♩"| 1 OR 1 2 3 4 "5" | 1 2 "&" 3 4 "5" | 1 Second one: A whole big phrase look like this (♩. ♩. ♪ ♪. = 17 sixteenth notes): where phrase = ♩. ♩. ♪ and gap = ♪. So the Tihai phrases starts at: the 1; the "and" between 9 and 10; and the 6 in second bar: "♩." ♩. ♪ ♪. + "sixteenth note" + ♩. | ♩. ♪ ♪ "♪" ♩. ♩.|1 OR "1" 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 "&" 10 11 12 | 1 2 3 4 5 "6" 7 8 9 10 11 12 | 1
@tonylucane2 жыл бұрын
the art of tihai!!! so difficult to do it any time in any context!! i can't do it without calculating it in improvisation what can i do to to it each time naturally in time with sam?
@mohitrahaman3 жыл бұрын
great
@teconnolly3 жыл бұрын
This was so good. Would love to see more videos on Eastern music theory and applications to the drumset.
@YogevGabay3 жыл бұрын
Noted!
@supermancool15303 жыл бұрын
An epic video!
@only4crap3 жыл бұрын
what a useful concept! I know konnakol is not Hindustani, but could you make a video on it?
@YogevGabay3 жыл бұрын
I'm gonna explore some more indian stuff yeah, I may go into konnakol as well, not sure yet
@kunjsomaiya47232 жыл бұрын
Awesome
@masterplaster61213 жыл бұрын
The first video on YT with 0 dislikes.
@l.gaines54363 жыл бұрын
COOL!
@flotuc2 жыл бұрын
greatly xplained!!!!
@YogevGabay2 жыл бұрын
Thanks !
@JustFiddler Жыл бұрын
bagus sekali videonya ! Matur suksma
@Ragnarockalypse3 жыл бұрын
I realize now that the first few seconds of Sol Niger Within is a Tihai. It's an elegant little pattern of one single followed by three doubles where the last note is also the first.
@kwichmann27773 жыл бұрын
Three is the key!
@brandonmonroe98223 жыл бұрын
Holy shit! I didn't know you were from the Berklee Indian Ensemble! Now you look familiar! I think I recognize you from Drip by Tigran!
@YogevGabay3 жыл бұрын
Hell yeah man! Such a fun video!
@fiorano103 жыл бұрын
Indian here . Unable to wipe the grin off my face since I heard the tihai from The Pot ! Brilliant ! Ready to spam whatsapp with this clip !
@YogevGabay3 жыл бұрын
hahahaha BBEESSTT
@ApacienciaNECESSARIAparaOgoogl3 жыл бұрын
as always, awesome!! thank you so much!! btw:isn't sharon the best bass player ev'Ar?! ahahahah
@YogevGabay3 жыл бұрын
Hahahahahhahahhahhaa of course she is. But Guy's my friend, I didn't want him to feel left out. Don't tell him.
@samba14123 жыл бұрын
Quick question - the two examples at the end seemed to end on beat one, which was how I understood Tihai until now, but the 3x5 example ended at the end of the bar. Should it start on the 3rd sixteenth so that it ends on the one (14 sixteenths in bar one with the 15th on beat one) or are there regional variations like konnakol? Great channel, learning a lot :-)
@YogevGabay3 жыл бұрын
So it depends if you're referring to the tihai with the gaps or the ones without. The tihai WITH the gaps end ON beat 1. The tihais WITHOUT the gaps end right before.
@samba14123 жыл бұрын
@@YogevGabay Thank you :-) That’s my new thing learnt for today!
@rrrico2 жыл бұрын
I just listened to the new Meshuggah album and found a tihai! (At least I think it is) It appears at around 3:14 and later too in the song the Faultless.
@YogevGabay2 жыл бұрын
HAHAHA YYYEEESSSSSSSSSSSSS amazing
@juffinhally59433 жыл бұрын
Great video, very clear. But the examples you give are mostly about tihais played on percussive instruments of some sort (except the bass one). So I wonder if there're any tihais you know played on something not percussive? The only thing that springs to my mind is one of the tricks Tigran employs on the piano, but there might be others. Also, vocals tihais are cool (the one in "Unnai" was great), but they're not instrumental in my view.
@YogevGabay3 жыл бұрын
Oh for sure. There are some cool vocal ones in "SATI" from coke studios, check it out!
@cmcp9753 жыл бұрын
I’m sad that I can only give one thumbs up.
@sixthSigmaSnowball3 жыл бұрын
"Did a vehicle, did a vehicle, did a vehicle come..." - FZ
@brutalvocalcovers3 жыл бұрын
That’s so sick
@Ricardomartinez-vi2tx3 жыл бұрын
Maravilloso, por favor analiza algo de hiatus kaiote!!
@YogevGabay3 жыл бұрын
Was looking for a song by them yes!! Have any suggestions?
@aatishgaihre3 жыл бұрын
Why did it took so long to find you ? :)
@Wilfredoviquez3 жыл бұрын
The Beatles used the hindu Tihai rhythm in the song Here Comes the Sun.
@pickastick46112 жыл бұрын
this channel is a gift! Nir nakav 2.0
@YogevGabay2 жыл бұрын
He's the king of all kings. I love that guy!
@jambadonmusic3 жыл бұрын
Hi! Cool channel but.... For it to be a true TIHAI it needs to end on the first beat (as you mentioned), so you need to start one 16th later in your example if you want to make a continuos tihai. You can also add an equal amount of space in between the phrases and, for instance, start on the one of the previous bar, but you cannot end before the one. That's not a Tihai.
@kookookoos3 жыл бұрын
Yes, you are right!
@ce_wono3 жыл бұрын
Now I need Berklee Indian Ensemble live in Europe >_
@ce_wono3 жыл бұрын
Or at least a full video on "5 peace band" :Ъ
@YogevGabay3 жыл бұрын
Oh man I hope this happens quickly
@ethanregan-byrne42813 жыл бұрын
Hey, is there such a thing as a deceptive tihai, like how in western music there are deceptive cadences? In unnai the motif where the singers sing what sounds like the title of the song gets repeated twice a little while before the tihai you mention in the video. If it repeated a third time, it sounds like it would land on one. Even if thats not actually an example, do you know if this exists? And of course this video is awesome
@YogevGabay3 жыл бұрын
Oh wow that's a great question. And honestly I don't know! I will definitely ask
@LeCheeZy3 жыл бұрын
♥
@randyclere23308 ай бұрын
I’m so happy I found ur channel
@moadot7202 жыл бұрын
8:44 Yes, I did!!!! 😂😂😂😂
@firstname_lastname35073 жыл бұрын
0 dislikes, exactly as it should be
@ilyasantonov2123 жыл бұрын
A mpouzouki in an Indian group? 😮
@JustLilGecko3 жыл бұрын
Danny Carey sprinkles these throughout most of the things he plays so seamlessly it almost slips by you unless you're specifically looking for it - I think he's actually internalised playing like this naturally in a way that would take me a calculator and a couple of days to work out just for one fill. I feel like there's a burgeoning interest in the 'western' music over the last ~20 years that is starting to accelerate when it comes to incorporating more of the Indian rhythmic concepts. Because Eastern & Indian music as you point out uses melody very differently to the western music tradition, a lot of the virtuosos of that music tradition is paid very little attention here in "the west" which is extremely sad. I am hopeful it's starting to change for the better though. Obviously prog-style genres has been incorporating it for a while, but I think we're seeing more mainstream adoption and interest now. I also think a lot of modern pop music is increasingly using rhythmic variance rather than melodic/harmonic to sound unique - one of the complaints I hear often is that modern popular music all "sounds the same". I think this has been the case for most popular music throughout most periods, however, the dramitic shift that some people aren't yet paying attention to is that rhythm is increasingly becoming more important than melodic variance. At least, that's my current pet theory.
@YogevGabay3 жыл бұрын
Yup Danny Carey is very influenced by this, true, and I'm super happy the western world also started getting into this! I agree with what you're saying. And all these traditions that have advanced melodic and rhythmic music are a goldmine for musicians who dig deep.
@Xankill3r3 жыл бұрын
Holy shit dude, didn't know you've played with Shankar Mahadevan :O
@YogevGabay3 жыл бұрын
Oh man it was EPIC
@digikaininja53 жыл бұрын
can we use it in a meshuggah type setting?? please show us the way,if possible
@YogevGabay3 жыл бұрын
FO SHOOOO
@tusharkakshapati76103 жыл бұрын
Was that shankar mahadevan at 9:22?
@YogevGabay3 жыл бұрын
Hell yeah !
@BenevolentDrums3 жыл бұрын
been loving ur videos though ive never commented.. check out the song 'Tihai for the straight guy' by the band 'consider the source' if u get a chance..
@YogevGabay3 жыл бұрын
Thanks man. Will check it out!
@the6ig6adwolf3 жыл бұрын
Ludwig acrolite?
@YogevGabay3 жыл бұрын
True
@solyamidoremifasolya10273 жыл бұрын
Man, will you make the explaination of 7empest?_?
@YogevGabay3 жыл бұрын
Will put it on my list!
@solyamidoremifasolya10273 жыл бұрын
@@YogevGabay yeeey!!! Love you, man!
@andydstuart3 жыл бұрын
Even bedam tihai end with the last beat of the phrase on the first beat of the new cycle? So in your tihai version 1, "one" should land on the first beat of the next bar?
@YogevGabay3 жыл бұрын
No no, so the bedam tihai RESULTS at beat 1, meaning it completes BEFORE beat 1. If you were to start a 4th repetition of the phrase, it would have started on beat 1. Is this clearer?
@andydstuart3 жыл бұрын
@@YogevGabay I think I see my confusion, as I interpreted your phrase as "landing" on the last syllable (to me the bol DHA) whereas you're thinking of the first syllable as being a "resolution" point. Straight line text is notoriously terrible at conveying rhythmic divisions (especially for an oral tradition sung so matras are felt), but I'm seeing the difference thusly: DHA ti dha DHA ti dha DHA ti dha DHA (closer to what you explain in the video) vs. dha ti DHA dha ti DHA dha ti DHA Completely bedam, they are the "same" sets of notes, but the musical phrase is different, and I think my confusion came from privileging the second (dha ti DHA) as the musical phrase over the first (DHA ti dha). To me, the second is more natural on tabla, but I can see for a swara instrument how useful the first one could be! Thanks, Yogev! Huge fan, and very happy to see you exploring music and rhythms so close to my heart (a Meshuggah fan since 1998 and a tabla student since 2003)!
@YogevGabay3 жыл бұрын
@@andydstuart Yeah man it's so hard to explain! that DHA at the end is BOTH the sum AND the "gap" if you will. So the damdar tihais can sound like they're cut "short" but with the gap formula it works. I hope this makes sense!
@alexchaix16133 жыл бұрын
why that person dont like this?
@TheSaneMe3 жыл бұрын
the last phrase are 7/8 plus 3/16 ?
@YogevGabay3 жыл бұрын
Unnai?
@adityakuttus3 жыл бұрын
I counted the first two phrases as 17/8 (as 5/4 + 7/8) and the last phrase as 7/4
@Anshul16143 жыл бұрын
How did you get into all this Indian music theory?
@YogevGabay3 жыл бұрын
Well I play in an Indian group so kinda learned from the guys there!
@Anshul16143 жыл бұрын
@@YogevGabay yeah I figured as much. I come from a classical Indian family. My brother is a trained tabla player. It was just me that was into metal and djent and stuff. But as I got older I found out there is not much difference in the classical and the direction modern progressive metal has taken. I mean Devin Townsend admits to learning soloing from Pandit Ravi Shankar. If you could make some content on bridging these two worlds, that would be incredible.
@YogevGabay3 жыл бұрын
I will have some more of these for sure yes !
@arthurfurman53623 жыл бұрын
Tihai Yogev, how are you? :)
@YogevGabay3 жыл бұрын
Hi Arthur. I've heard you have a girl friend.
@arthurfurman53623 жыл бұрын
@@YogevGabay yes it's kind of fresh so we'll see how that goes
@YogevGabay3 жыл бұрын
@@arthurfurman5362 Good luck man, the beginning is easy, I hope you guys make it.
@arthurfurman53623 жыл бұрын
@@YogevGabay that's what they say, thx man ♥️
@bazookaman13532 жыл бұрын
Reverse polymeter pog
@rohithyourboat3 жыл бұрын
I have one! So does Ariana Grande...
@YogevGabay3 жыл бұрын
Who is she? Is she Indian? She went to Berklee? Those are the only people I know.