What is Acheron hiding from us? (Honkai Star Rail 2.0 Lore and Theory)

[@yun-z]

another reminder that finality the aeon moves backwards in time, hence from our perspective, the first time we met is their last, and hence they will only remember the future, not the past.

[@matisslillais2013]

omg thats so smart that would explain why shes so forget full and her plus finallity is a cute idea because kiana is the herscher of finality

[@the42nddoctor27]

That could explain why she's so much more used to the memory zone when we first met her since technically that would be after we see her for the second time and she is confused about the upside-down rooms.

[@Wolfy-pw2py]

That would totally explain the fact that when we first met her if you pay attention to everything she says. The things she said is actually coming true and happens after we met her. I was thinking its suspicious how what she predicted the future

[@ethanfitzer7039]

at the very least if this isnt true she does have some relation to time, she literally felt other players make different decisions for the same choice (which i assume isnt only a meta reference to us the players)

[@andreesprz1316]

That’s so trippy what the hell

[@fullvoid6663]

My theory: There are two "Acherons": White and red, both possessing the same body simultaneously. The first (white) is in control most of the time, living through time in the same direction as everyone else. Then there is the second Acheron (red) who lives backwards through time and pops up now and then overriding White Acheron. Red Acheron knows what will happen in the future, all the tragedy, all the death, all the sadness and that's why we had that weird interaction at the start. From Red Acheron's perspective that was her last chance to intervene in the Trailblazer's future. She even asked Trailblazer for his/her opinion to figure out if the good is worth the bad. The outcome? Red Acheron did not intervene and, knowing what was going to happen, cried. At that moment the future became set in stone, it became final.

[@outsiderd]

Sunday said: I'll deliver the *good news* to you personally" and the game translated good news to "funeral". Acheron said "you must contemplate the meaning of my words and the you can RETURN TO REALITY". The timing of those words was huge for me. I don't know who of these two i consider more mysterious... Anyway... i love how Acheron seems to have memory problems and Black Swan was seen deleting and manipulating memories. But then the fact that your answers matter in the red text for her replies to you and her reply is either "i forgot" OR "glad to see that you are contemplating my words", it really hits my right buttons. I love her character so far.

[@qaztim11]

The red text reminds me of the visual novel Umineko. Red text is used there as a means for the player and character to know what is true, all red statements are factual, but them being factual does not make them "true" ypu can still mislead and "lie" by only using true statements. Hoyo takes a ton of inspiration from other media so i wouldnt be surprised if they are doing something similar, since penacony seems to be all about lies and truths, my personal theory is that we still have not seen the real penacony, the lobby we see in "reality" is already the first layer of the dream world.

[@cyberzh0rafm]

this is what i was thinking, i've been intending to ask an umineko expert i know about thoir thoughts on the red text here

[@Rockstarmoon]

Raiden Mei in HI3 is the most sane in all of the iterations of her in other games. So you don't have to worry about her having a quote on quote "split personality" though she does have one but it's a different case entirely. She's also well established due to having a compelling underdog story. But even less so then Bronya from the same game.

[@kuru35699]

In hi3rd, one of seele's battlesuit has a signature weapon named path of acheron/path of acheron kindred for her pri so her having a dual personality could be a reference to hi3rd seele having a dual personality and give us hints as to what is happening with her or that she looks alot like seele in hsr lol

[@kuru35699]

So acheron might have two forms or a transform mechanic which should be interesting

[@elliex9664]

@@kuru35699 Yesss I was also thinking that she may be a EXPY Stygian Nymph because of the weapon, as you mentioned, and the color scheme between Veliona (red, black, gray) and Seele (blue, white, gray).

[@Link117Warhammer40K]

His skin will become completely pale, his hair will be white, and his eyes will be completely red. Her clothes will also change to a blood red color and her personality will completely change depending on what she leaks. It will be as if he is a vampire, so to speak.

[@Zoeila]

@@kuru35699 in jp ver her name is yomi which i think relates to the underworld in shinto

[@alejandronunez5110]

I do think she's actually a Galaxy ranger, mainly because Sam addressed her as such,and well firstly he's a machine he's gotta has some database of sort and secondly Elio's script

[@DawitsLookingforEmilia]

this is actually a good point. surely he would have been able to know the truth, given he was able to see black swan

[@iValeth]

I don’t know that Sam is necessarily linked to a galactic database with detailed info on all beings. It’s fully possible Sam is just one of the ones who calls her “Galaxy Ranger Acheron”. But a name has to come from somewhere. I could see it being an alias of hers.

[@Oban2006]

It's a mech suit?

[@letsbrownbag]

There's actually another time that acheron can answer differently, and its when you save her and misha from those mobsters and you ask how she met black swan. My version was that black swan asked her to dance, and she accepted, but ive also seen that she noticed black swan stalking her in the reflection of some glass. Also, it think there might be a 3rd answer for when you ask why shes in the memory zone, and she straight up says she has no clue. While I could be wrong on that, it makes me believe that every time she can answer differently has 3 versions, meaning that we really need to pay attention to what she says in red, as well as previous choices we've made that could be altering her responses.

[@lonk341]

I think the red text is someone controling them in some form. In your encounter with Acheron while you are with Black Swan if you constantly refuse her to join you, two "options" will show up. One accepting her into your party, and another to accept her into your party with the same text but in red. When you select the red text your character questions it in her head saying "what is that weird feeling again".

[@ethanfitzer7039]

could be onto something there as in one of the quest you can fix a dream ticker that gives you a record that affects the MCs emotions and that change is viewed in orange

[@talesin3681]

As someone mentioned somewhere, in SU Gold and Gears, when you meet Xipe the Harmony, she actually speaks to you in both a blue and red text at the same time, using different words for the same sentence. So the red text definetly hints that an Aeon or another powerfull personality is talking instead of the normal Acheron who speaks in white sentences.

[@ArcusArgent]

Could it be that there's a time loop in the dreamscape? She mentions about seeing us before and I doubt it was from us being a previous stellaron hunter as Sam does not recognize her nor did Silverwolf warns us about her in detail. It could be that the moment we arrive in Penacony, not the hotel but the vicinity of the planet itself, we get into the dreamscape immediately due to the levels of memoria as Penacony is collapsing.

[@DusDusDus]

I also thought that. Those red dialogue need to mean something. I think the next quest it would start with that

[@ethanfitzer7039]

there is defiantly some time shenanigans happening as the first dreamscape is i think in our future but acherons past

[@insxnemxnd3127]

I feel like it could be ger lying?​@@DusDusDus

[@DusDusDus]

@@insxnemxnd3127 No, because there was many questions on red letters. They have another meaning

[@insxnemxnd3127]

@DusDusDus that could probably mean that she already knows the answer, and she's just asking, acting like she doesn't know

[@Namelessonne]

If she stole the invitation, then how could she get herself a registration at the Hotel? It seems that those invites require you to state the names of the visitors beforehand, so only Duke and his gang members could get regsitered. The Nameless couldn't change the name from Dan Heng to Stelle/Caelus no matter how much they tried. So it seems that she was indeed invited as a representative of the Galaxy Rangers.

[@DawitsLookingforEmilia]

but then this raises its own host of issues. This would mean either aventurine was lying, which really shouldnt be possible given black swan verified everything he said. Or it could be he didnt tell us the whole story

[@ToothpickSamurai]

@@DawitsLookingforEmilia Perhaps we haven't met the true perpetrator and Acheron is the red herring they have decided to give us, suggesting someone else went about killing Duke Inferno for his invite and somehow managed to get in and has been hiding thus far. It's also possible that Duke Inferno's death is a ruse that even Aventurine has fallen for and Ifrit isn't actually dead and we are truly engaging the annihilation gang right now. It still sounds like Acheron is too convenient of a villain, and I really can't trust the words coming out of Aventurines mouth, not because he is lying but because I think he's too confident in what he knows.

[@josecepeda4431]

While I don’t trust adventuring completely either I trust his greed more than Acheron. Greedy people are more straightforward than those who keep their intentions hidden. Black swan also I can’t trust completely because she could just manipulate our memories

[@agnichannel1466]

In scene where you met her with blackswan, she asked to join you. You can reject her until she use red text to force you to accept her. She might use same ability to deceive the hotel staff.

[@muhammadyaseer9673]

@@DawitsLookingforEmiliayou should rewatch that cutscene Adventurine claims that Acheron the one kill the duke and he literally said there’s no evidence and black swan can withheld information and dodge question Furthermore, Acheron being an emanator could also be an assumption because the duke is an energy being in star rail they can’t be killed by an ordinary person Adventurine is trying make us keep a distance with Acheron

[@tfineedachannelforifimbrowsing]

u know who else is suspect is misha bc why did clockie say misha is dying when he wasnt and nobody else says anything to misha like they can see him... misha being in the flash of memories when the train jumped to penacony..misha being the short version of mikhail...

[@azuredarkrim5514]

The finality term has been bugging me, until I tried looking up for HSR Aeons and apparently, we did have an Aeon of Finality and it is Terminus. If we take what Aventurine says at face value, Acheron could be an emanator of Terminus. I kind of forgot about him since he was rarely mentioned in the story and if I recall correctly, the first time I read about him was when I was immersing myself on reading simulated universe lore on the data banks when I wanted to know more about Aha the Aeon of Elation.

[@Zoeila]

theres been a theory since the games launch that the stelleron hunter follow the path of terminus and that terminus and destruction overlap so a clash is imminent

[@slaine7874]

@@Zoeilawait… if finality moves in reverse time… does that explain how Elio’s script exists - how he can read the future? What if it’s not really a magic power at all and he’s just like Acheron, an emanator of finality moving through time in reverse?

[@Oban2006]

​@@slaine7874yup, reverse

[@Shimazumi]

I just think she’s an emanator of finality, because in the first meeting in the dream, she questions in the last bit, “would you still embark on a journey you knew how would play out.” Now, i’m paraphrasing, it’s just along those lines. But she basically says, if you knew how it would end before it even started. Which is very specific. And adventurine said death and ‘finality’.

[@Billy_Bat1993]

She is emanator of Nihility. You can see "nihility abyss in her eye", and from new relic story, you can read about her friend, which absorb by IX.

[@IdeasAreBulletproof]

She could be either Finality or Nihility (Nihility is very similar to her Nature)

[@tartagliasjigglydworshipper]

if there’s anyone who can be an emanator of Finality, it would be Elio. Terminus is traveling thru time backwards to find an alternative ending iirc.

[@Billy_Bat1993]

@@tartagliasjigglydworshipper ikr, pretty sure that Stellaron Hunters is Finality fraction.

[@user-je2dx6ct9x]

Watching this video I came to 3 conclusions 1-Narrator: is the joker with his laugh 2- we are totally fucked in penacony 3- I hope Himeko doesn't die

[@carinalaurel2571]

3 is the most important for half of the player(including me) since many got ottofication lmao

[@Sorashell420]

I feel like it's too early for Himeko to die, we don't have any built up relationship with her just yet and knowing honkai devs, THEY HAVE TO make it brutal in some way, esp to haunt hi3 players. Ik these sneaky mfs, they'll put in depression and emotional damage everywhere they can

[@MercyTN581]

Should've been himeko

[@Fullmetal_Gacha]

I’m kinda curious how Acheron even managed to book in to the Hotel. Like it’s explained as her swiping Duke Inferno’s invite but from the very opening scene of the Express crew booking in, there was a whole commotion over the trailblazer taking Dan Heng’s place and they had to get Aventurine to vouch for them to finally get a room. Duke Inferno seems like a pretty famous individual so it’s unlikely she’d be able to impersonate him and from the GA trailer it seems she booked in under her own alias. Something to note is that Acheron killing Duke Inferno is just conjecture on Aventurine’s part. Duke Inferno is dead but nobody really knows who killed him. It could have been Acheron or it could have been someone else. Not to mention, if you pick the dialogue option saying Acheron hasn’t done anything evil, Aventurine seems genuinely surprised, showing that he seems to have quite a few misconceptions about her

[@ToothpickSamurai]

I personally think there is another party involved that we haven't been introduced to yet, and this may be the party that is actually causing problems in the dreamscape and likely the one that managed to kill Duke Inferno. Inb4 it's the anti-matter legion again, guys are starting to look like the Spanish Inquisition and we will never expect them.

[@IveBeenWithBruma]

I feel like she was once a nameless that travelled beside Akavili. It explains her connection to the Trailblazer. Since there are several Nameless that are MIA and she just happens to be in the area that Pom-Pom sent us too with recollection of us it seems highly probable. She is most likely under the influence of another Aeon since she no longer has access to the protection Akavili would provide.

[@hjjjjhjfjfj]

i think that what links red text from her questions in the beginning and her answers later in the story is that the timeline splits somehow. we get to choose an answer, and depending on what the player chooses, mc can seem to have completely different personalities in different timelines. the same way, depending on what answer she gives, out perception of her is very different between different playthroughs (functionally different timelines, as kafka confirmed that our dialogue choices split the timeline). she might have some kind of power to change fate just as mc does. She also might be the emanator of Terminus the finality, and is moving backwards in time somehow, which might explain why she knows how to manipulate the dreamscape in the beginning but only learns about it later, but that seems unlikely and wouldnt explain a lot of other things.

[@ravenfantasy5680]

I've thought, read and saw many answers for the red text but your one is the most believable as she also told about it.

[@ethanfitzer7039]

it also would makes sense since every time the red text appears the mc does get a feeling as if something is strange/off my guess it may not be she has direct power over timelines, but can sense them and could be the timeline itself changing especially if everything happening to us and Acheron is in Acherons past (this could explain why we get the red text saying to let her join if we keep refusing, as that may be a fixed point e.g if we werent with this Acheron, then that would chane the future Acheron)

[@auro8236]

There were multiple times where Acheron said or makes a remark about something in a surprised fashion despite already seeing it multiple times before. Yet she seems familiar with it the first time. Like how she fully understood how wall working works in the first dream but is very surprised about it later on. It’s like she is living time in reverse, like the finality does.

[@Flamelance_Accendo]

@9:25 After this moment when Acheron was mindreading the MC, there was pairs of people speaking to eachother. Acheron says to not pay it any mind as it isn't anything important. At the time, I listened to what she said and kept following her down the hall. Though after watching someone else's playthrough of someone speaking to the pairs of people, one other pair being Black Swan and Sparkle, spoke of something that you end up hearing again in the Sparkle/Black Swan companion quest. So it seems what Acheron told you to disregard ended up being future dialogues you will eventually end up hearing.

[@matisslillais2013]

in hi3 mei used to have a split personallity like her hercher persona and her but later it got retconed into her stigmata being the one who talked to her and was the source of her split personallity also after mei became the fully awakened herscher of thunder she got complete controll of her stigmata, so i think hsr acheron might be similar to th mei at the begginning of the game when the herscher persona was seen as canon and that she might take over mei when she needs the power to save her friends

[@ethanfitzer7039]

just want to put this out here, i believe Acheron can sense the timeline/timelines and she can sense Clockily, even though she cant see it now i think Time is a big factor penacony there is alot about clocks/watch's etc, and my guess is that Acheron we meet in the dream is the same one and that Red text changes because our interactions with Acheron are our future and her past, my main evidence is that in the initial dream she seems to be as knowledgeable as Black Swan about dreamscapes just doesn't have unique abilities within them outside of mind reading which could be mind reading or be paradoxical, but anyway thats the main evidence my second is mainly speculation but everyone assumes that when she says we remind her of old friends She is being meta and referring to Kiana/kevin depending on gender of mc but, my speculation is that she changes gender because she IS talking about the MC we just haven't done the thngs described with her yet, there are definite holes in this part e.g why would caelus lock blades with and stelle not as that would be quite a big difference in gameplay even if it was a unique animation to both would be maybe to far as the mc does the same thing no matter which u pick. now red text changes based on our answer isnt that different from normal text changes both often have different dialogue based on our choice, however red text is changing answers even though they answering the same overall question even though the choices made are different e.g the explanation of why she is in the dreamscape its not answering a different choice like normal text but answering the important question and i think that tells us the answer to why it changes. At the end of the day most of our dialogue choices lead us to the same place, e.g we can make fun of march during side quests etc, yet it doesnt change anything about the side quest, like making fun of her doesn't make her not join the side quest, whereas if u didn't make fun of her she would stay, this is where i believe the red text is different i believe that the red text does change important decisions, like in the story its important to know why Acheron is in the dreamscape and usually no matter what dialogue route we go down we would get to the same answer. now assuming that Acheron does travel through time differently to us she may have to respond to our questions in particular ways as its set in time we only know it changes cus of Meta reasons, but for all purposes what ever option u got IS the reason she is here which i dont think is as simple as a lie because our character wouldn't feel something off with the red text if it just meant a lie, so based on my theory the Red text is basically writing Acherons past, so i could see that eventually when Penacony ends and we get Acherons visitor guide would have text referring to which ever red text was the answer in your playthrough

[@dorothelazyone9922]

I got a different option dialog on the story, at the time were we met acheron with black swan. Her explanation was that he heard rumors about the true penacony and she used the code mention by said rumors, wich brought her to the real dreamscape

[@DawitsLookingforEmilia]

jesus so theres a bunch

[@user-ki4no3ly5]

Even in the trailer, she didn’t sheath her sword, imagine when she gets serious…

[@omegaex2255]

one slash fucking explosion

[@moonlightcj7546]

5:08 im respectfully "looking her eyes" 🥵

[@SonicGintoki]

there's not a lot of good hsr theory channels doing videos right now. you're probably my fav channel, I've found recently. Keep up the great work! Do you think you could ever release more 25-30 min videos? I love putting on longer videos when I'm gaming. maybe you could ask your community tab what they think?

[@FM-ms6ko]

Regarding the red text, the first time u meet acheron she tells us that "your sight will only see black and white, so we have to believe her in that monochrome world there will be a glimpse of fleeting red", also she mentions that this glimpses of red will reappear when we make a choice so like we make a choice and the red text appears, so maybe this red text is refering to the real "truth" while veryone else we have met in penacony isn't speaking the truth, or the full truth and the only person we can really "trust" is Acheron herself, dunno that first time when she mentions that red specifically makes me go insane a little lmao.

[@thatrarebear]

acheron actually is 1-2 in terms of kill count against the meme since she "allegedly" killed duke inferno. Im saying allegedly since aventurine is the source of that info and he may well be lying so yeah

[@todd2.08]

You can’t kill Ifrit with conventional means, he’s a being of energy much like Heliobi and will likely return

[@kiuto9476]

well

[@setsuna1f1seiei]

i dont think we can assume aventurine is being honest

[@snackeetah2627]

Also Acheron sword has an eye... "jewelry" on its crossguard. Pretty similar to Something Unto Death eyes. So it might be a hint tot. And her seord in general actualyl looks kinda similar with this creature. Dunno.

[@DerpHut]

Spoilers for acheron's design .... She likely has two forms...the purple hair one and the other...red and white. I feel that the red and white form is unlocked when she unsheathes her blade. We know the white hair one cause in the art of her we can see the ends of her hair being white instead of all purple. No less how her...robe? has a demon mask on it

[@RayStreamingYT]

Emanator of KIANA

[@alvarothomaz4509]

Weren't the vidyadhara high elders also emanators for Long, which kinda explained Imbibitor Lunae being that strong? Long is suposed to have fallen tho, so don't know how their relation to that path stands now

[@alfxi.]

no hate, but this video is really, REALLY under-researched, which is fine, but calling it "Honkai Star Rail 2.0 Lore and Theory" is a stretch and a half. especially considering there's no lore at all lmao. main story is not lore, lore is you reading shit like books and descriptions. you didn't even discussed new diver relic set, which is full of Acheron lore, really recommend you to check it out. nevertheless, great video, keep up the good work!

[@DawitsLookingforEmilia]

bro tossed me then complimented i am in shock

[@alfxi.]

@@DawitsLookingforEmilia i ain't here to hate, creating videos is a daunting task, i just rather keep it a 100% than lie how everything's fine. sorry if i came across as harsh, this is my second language, so grasping small details in wording is still hard for me.

[@DawitsLookingforEmilia]

@@alfxi. no haha its fine, i dont mind!

[@windwalk1394]

there is so many misinformation / misunderstanding in comment about emanator , this is the emanator that already stated in the game : 1. Herta , erudition emanator-> stated by silverwolf at the start of the game 2. Memokeeper in garden of recollection (including black swan and messenger) , remembrance emanator -> stated by welt in the forgotten hall quest 3. Lord ravager (including phantylia ) , destruction emanator -> we all know this 4. Shuhu , abundance emanator -> in jingliu quest 5. Skaracabaz , propogation emanator -> in ruan mei tb continuance 6. Acheron -> though we dont know now that is true or not the other like jingyuan , Imbibitor and other genius society member is unconfirmed

[@yaboiwhyss3480]

we actually met way more than 3 emanators , ruan mei and screwlum are also emanators of erudition, we fight swarm king scarakabaz a clone of an emanator of propagation, there's an argument to be made imbibetor lunae is an emanator of permanence but that's a long shot , we know for a fact jing yuan is an emanator of the hunt , we have pretty good grounds to argue sampo is an emanator of elation

[@yaboiwhyss3480]

actually clarification that i probably should've confirmed before hand , we know jing yuan was granted power by the hunt , some people argue it doesn't count as emanator power , i think the argument is dumb , but it is what it is , genius society memebers are hand picked by nous , but they are not explictly stated to be emanators , though ruan mei's expirments to create a genius were stated to be on the topic of emanators , thus i feel it's pretty safe to assume genius(as in genius society member) equals emanator of erudition , but again lack of explicit statments makes sourcing this harder than it should be , as for sampo it's a bit of a convoluted theory but it has to do with the rating gun curio in herta's collection and it's reaction to sampo and jingyuan as well as march but saying our little old march is an emanator would be a bit too much fort this conversation

[@yaboiwhyss3480]

also jingyuan does off handedly mention he can literally sense when people board the xianzhou which is super out of the range of ordinary beings and mentions the blessings of the hunt , i need to look that one up again to confirm for sure but yeah

[@brago900]

All vidyadhara are emanators of permanence but with the death of permanence their power was largely lost and the grand masters of the vidyadhara are the only ones who are still close to that level of power. So yes, the grand masters of the vidyadhara are the closest thing to an emanator of permanence that we are going to have in the game.

[@yaboiwhyss3480]

@@brago900 i must disagree with that one . the vidyadhra posses traits that long imparted onto their race which could be considered blessings but they are not drawing powers from the path of permanence , the high elder is stated to possess "longs power" and the power of an aeon is their path , thus an emanator , but the remaining vidyadhra aren't drawing on the permanence any more than a xianzhou native draws on the abundance with their extended life spans

[@BoH1o7]

When it comes to imbibitor lunae only dan feng could be considered a full fledged emanator, that's because with the sin that he had done he was only able to give half of his power (to heal people and the seal in scalorge) to the other vessel (bailu) while his vessel (dan heng) mantained the other half (damage people and break the seal in scalorge) making both of them half of a singular emanator

[@PotholesEverywhere]

Damn she's an interesting character ig I gotta pull for her when she comes

[@araarashinigami]

A few things. On emanators: essentially the acknowledged followers of an aeon's path -- the aeon confirms the emanator follows the same path as the aeon. Jing Yuan is an emanator of Lan -- him being an Erudition unit has nothing to do with his in game lore. IIRC the memory keeper hiding on the Star Rail has never been confirmed to be an emanator and I'm certain if she were then she'd have been given a name at least. Emanators also have the ability to breach the Imaginary barrier that separates worlds from Sea of Quanta. Also if you have seen the leaked footage of Acheron: her ultimate animate is a nod to the movie Interstellar and its representation of black holes. The movie revolves around the hook of time travel, and if you watch Acheron's animations, you realize that Acheron can control time travel, in a fashion similar to how time is controlled in the movie. And if you go into the etymology of Acheron and her names in all versions, she is always named after a mythological river related to death and the underworld. Symbolically, she is a hand of Death that is not beholden to the rules of time. Tangentially, Welt Yang has power equivalent to not an emanator, but an aeon -- our Welt is the same exact one from Honkai Impact 3rd. His powers are very similar to Acheron's, with black hole imagery and control over time. Again, him being a Nihility unit has nothing to do with his in game lore, just like every other playable character we have.

[@DawitsLookingforEmilia]

i really need to make a video on emanators. tmrw it is or maybe thursday idk

[@raiden3522]

Mei is sweet to her friends I would go as far as to say she's the sweetest person in HI3. but she can be ruthless to her enemies as well

[@nothmm8582]

We definitely know more that 3 Emanators. Imbibitor Lunae was really powerful at one point being able to seal the Ambrosial Arbor which was so powerful that even Lan The Hunt failed to destroy it. His powers are incomprehensible to that of a Path Strider which definitely makes him an Emanator of Permanence All the Vanguards of The Hunt are also Emenators of The Hunt. Welt says that the Arbiter General's powers are no less than the Lord Ravagers of Destruction and ths Emanators of Abundance. In the past it was said that General Teng Xiao (Jing Yuan's predecessor) fought and defeated Shuhu who was an Emanator of Abundance. The Trailblazer should also be considered an Emanator of Preservation. If i remember correctly, the Trailblazer was blessed by the Amber Lord and received his Lance. Argenti and Ruan Mei also seem to be on their way to become Emanators and maybe in the future they achieve that feat as well.

[@brago900]

Receiving the gaze of an aeon does not make you an emanator, it is simply an indication that you have done something that has caught their interest.

[@collectiblestar9694]

imbibitor lunae(dan heng) rn is not in the same level as other emanators due to his power being only half of his previous incarnation.

[@nothmm8582]

​@@collectiblestar9694 Which is my I said Imbibitor Lunae and not specifically Dan Heng

[@bryson8831]

​@@nothmm8582 Power alone is not indicative of someone's status as Emanator, as the power that is granted directly from Aeons varies heavily. I think being an Emanator implies that you are continuously drawing from an Aeon's power. I forget how the Trailblazer receives the lance, but it doesn't alter the Trailblazer's status and make them Emanator or even a Pathstrider. Fu Xuan for example was once visisted and acknowledged by Nous, but other than that has no direct relation to it, nor are the Genius Society Emanators. Unless a source directly indicates someone as an Emanator, they are not.

[@rawr30009]

​@@bryson8831 This, fuxuan was recognized by nous an was given the omnicia yet she's not a emanator nor a member of the genius society.

[@Battzock]

2:20 Archeron is sure a Eminator of the Finality. Seen the Finality in the "Myriad Celestia Trailer part 1" after the Equilibrium on the top right corner 3:14.

[@hollowficate]

I'm sick of people keep saying that Acheron is Raiden Mei variant when they can't even provide an unambiguous and clear proof. The pattern in Honkaiverse has always been where the variants aren't that far apart from their names and looks.

[@DawitsLookingforEmilia]

she has the same cn and japanese voice actress as both ei and mei.

[@slaine7874]

I think the Acheron from the dream at the beginning is a version of her that already experienced the events of Penacony, that we will be experiencing over the next few patches. She either jumped back in time or got sent back to make contact with the TB for some reason that we don’t yet know. Except I don’t think the travel is perfect because she appeared with gaps in her memory (maybe that’s the price for using this ability?) If shes jumping around to different moments in time it would help explain why her memory is so poor and jumbled.

[@shazbeet]

7:07 theres also a 3rd option where she talks about a rumor of this "weird dream zone" with the same access code that SW got us, so she decided to see if the rumor is true

[@speedwagon914]

Guys don't forget that during the first cinematic of the quest we can see something similar to duke inferno's tp flame so we could be playing in the palm of his hand since the beginning

[@pedromoreira6218]

i really wonder and this might be just me since everyone clearly wants us to stear really clear away from Mei/Acheron i wonder if Sam was actually sent to Penacony by Kafka's team to protect us wich kinda explains why he is trying to stay out of our way as long as we leave and even goes "if you leave now no one gets hurt" and when he gets the chance he is perfectly fine with letting us go with Black Swan because Mei is staying behind

[@DawitsLookingforEmilia]

its interesting, lts not forget sam gave the express a message and it was something along the lines of "dont fall behind"

[@grzegorzstrongowski9439]

She could be connected to the Hunt, given the blue flames on her sleeve. Or the Finality since her red dialogue breaks the fourth wall as she knows what's gonna happen, like Dainsleif in GI. And she's most surely connected to the death creature boss sonehow imo. Anyways I'm pulling for her! I hope she plays well with Black Swan since I lost on Kafka :(

[@scrappy_horns8139]

Acheron did name drop The Hunt as a vow to help us get to the bottom of the Memory Zone mystery tho…if she really is IX’s emanator maybe it was unintentional

[@shogunbalbosa5070]

Sampo is Sam and has some type of relationship with acheron. In the music video she’s crying both of them have that weird armor piece on their shoulder.

[@Cleric1530]

I'm more of the perspective that Sam is firefly, makes more sense, to me. Black swan mentions it would take someone with a strong will to stay in the dream despite jumping out. She talks about a cold room(iron shell of sam) the mech could be some sort of life support. We don't see Sam and Firefly at the same time, but it seems like they were together. Also we find Sam where firefly was. I can imagine the suit contains the body and the dream contained her mind which is already in a semi conscious state. Anyways I think Sampo does have a 5 star version, but it doesn't make sense to me that he would work for the masked fools and be doing all this work for his mask back, only for that mask to be Sam who has been spending time with the stellaron hunters when Sampo was clearly in belobog in some sort of retirement. I think Sampo is likely an Emanator. Probably follows the path completely differently to Sparkle who seems to a real scumbag based on the translated Chinese dialgoue.

[@Quon]

i'm back now that i finally had time to do the story myself

[@DawitsLookingforEmilia]

whats up buttercup

[@ze2896]

My biggest question is why is she crying in that first cutscene, and no red important why is the MC crying. The trailblazer didn't cry when Firefly got stabbed but he did after waking up from a random dream? Seems weird to me and I genuinely believe if we get the answer to this questions we will know the truth of what's going on.

[@DawitsLookingforEmilia]

if the idea that the first scene actually takes place last is true, then it could be shes crying because she knows whats to come in penacony, and its nothing good

[@joshuariel8496]

Past dream or future dream or future past dream or past future dream?

[@DawitsLookingforEmilia]

bruh

[@pedrosilva-di4lg]

Wait isn’t jing yuan also an emanator of the hunt? Because from my understanding he should be crazy strong in lore, and his Susanoo power came from him being an emanator. But maybe I was just dreaming.

[@ethenvt]

the arbiter generals have never been described as using the word emanator, so it isnt confirmed. you can be blessed by an aeon (fu xuan and nous) but that wouldnt be the same as an emanator as they are granted a portion (small fragment) of the paths power

[@harjinism]

I thought so too..

[@DawitsLookingforEmilia]

due to being the general, jing yuan was blessed by lan with the lightning lord, but its never stated anywhere hes an emanator.

[@debdattabasu8494]

I also had gotten the red text when I said no for the third time when she requested to join the party.

[@weaponhex2755]

I feel Acheron is quite literally the combination of Ei and Raiden Mei. It’s quite clear there are 2 personalities in Acheron: Acheron(self, purple), Emanator personality(red). This is a direct reference to Mei who prior to her complete Herrscher awakening in Nagazora in HI3rd had 2 different personalities living in her body: Mei and the Herrscher personality. Since Herrschers are often regarded to herald the destruction of the world by Honkai, it makes sense that the Emanators is HSR’s stand in for Herrschers. As for how Ei ties into this, its likely the sword. The Emanator personality is probably sealed inside Acheron’s sword just as how Ei’s true divinity and consciousness was transferred into the Musou No Hitotatchi sword. When she unsheathes her sword, the Emanator personality takes over control which is why the lighting from the sword that strikes Sam in the White Night trailer is Red. As to why she doesn’t sheathe her sword more often, prb that she’s scared of what the Emanator would do if it were to take full control and only does it when she has no choice. Just as how Mei only engages her Herrscher personality as a last resort to save Kiana upon realising her own strength is not enough. Which would lead me to believe that if Acheron did kill Duke Inferno as her Emanator persona, either she was being hunted down(self defence) or she really wanted to kill him(personal hatred; perhaps he killed her family or destroyed her planet; more likely the case from her lightcone art). next chapters will prob show Acheron fully embracing and using her Emanator powers with more control, the two personas might even merge to form a complete persona which is what happened the moment Mei fully awakens as the Herrscher of Thunder(Mei storyline route) or they could keep both personalities with one more knowledgeable and one more aloof(Ei storyline route)

[@florwo4970]

Where can you get her light cone leak

[@weaponhex2755]

@@florwo4970 oh it’s the one that was posted on hsr main socials when they introduced the penacony line-up…the one with her holding an umbrella in the rain

[@Kishisuke]

ok so i will make it clear that paths shown in character profile does not represent the aeon they follow. example jing yuan is a follower of hunt but his path is erudition in game, fuxuan is also a hunt and even talked with nous but her path is preservation etc. Acheron is a follower of finality and she is the emanator of finality but she did mention the word "before THE HUNT" in her dialogue during penacony quest and also the new relic set that has red flowers in it involves the lore behind a character that look like wearing a scuba dive gear( refer to DHIL teaser that shown black and white water colored style video from hsr)in luofu history and long the permanence. In her artwork also we see same black and white style themed stuff and red flowers as well as bones that resembles the eastern dragon body type similar to long. Her name itself is related to death in greek bcoz acheron is one of the five rivers in the underworld and Acheron is the river of woe or misery. She might also be a long life species but more divine since she is an emanator so she is the most powerful human character we have seen so far thats close to an aeon like archons in genshin. My bet is Finality bcoz of how terminus work and how she speak in red letters and memory stuff she pulling off.

[@IveBeenWithBruma]

Has anyone ever thought about Acheron actually being an emanator for Akavili? Think about it she's strong asf, able to traverse areas without aid and there is that one subject of several passengers of the Express leaving the nameless.

[@TinkRomero]

My thoughts on Acheron is that she is an Emanator of Enigmata, however this Path was possibly forced upon her by the Aeon. We know from Aha that he can make anyone (even a worm) an Emanator, his purpose for doing so is … to cause Elation of course. This does tell us that one doesn’t actually have to be a Pathstrider on a certain Path to become that Path’s Emanator. Aeons do have the capability to just … make you one. Of course, being a Pathstrider on their Path makes it much more easier to gain the gaze of that Path’s Aeon and to potentially become an Emanator … but the sole requirement for becoming an Emanator is just an Aeon giving you access to that Path … nothing more, nothing less. We learn from the SU that apparently Mythus the Enigmata was born from Remembrance? And this is why he’s able to take on Fuli’s appearance to trick others. (Of course … this is the Enigmata telling us about the Enigmata … so … take this info with much caution, because we might never ever really know. However, it does seem extremely likely that the information is correct!) As for Acheron’s connection to the “Something Unto Death” Meme … I’m very sure that the MC and Firefly released it into the Dreamscapes. When the get into that … repeating Hallway/TV Room, they find the chest they open called “Someone’s Treasure” and [we get a Mission Item “Unknown Puzzle Fragment” that describes, “This fragment appears to have been a part of a certain Dream Jigsaw. You can feel from it a mixture of confusion, fear, grief, and an almost imperceptible determination to face death head-on”, as well as] a visit by this Meme … Something Unto Death is Someone’s Treasure. And we are in a Child’s Dream … and everything is referred to by that child’s memories. So this Child sees Something Unto Death as Someone’s Treasure, and I currently suspect that this Child is Misha because … he is very suspicious in his own rights. So yeah … that’s all I have to say about Acheron Very Important Edit: I made the comment that we get nothing from the Something Unto Death Treasure Chest, this was incorrect, we get the Mission Item “Unknown Puzzle Fragment”, I’ve made the edit to my comment to reflect this mistake, and surrounded the edit with [edit], for those who’ve read and wish to be correctly informed of it, can find it more easily. My apologies about this misinformation.

[@starless0021]

Keep cooking bro

[@TinkRomero]

@@starless0021 dude, I’m like so incredibly close to calling out Misha as an Emanator of Harmony, please … let me cook another time when I’ve calmed down XD Edit: with that being said, I’m downright certain that Misha is the one who sent the invites

[@ethanfitzer7039]

to be fair Misha so far is the only other person to outright see Clockily and when speaking about Clockily no one acknowledges outside of the mc that Misha can also talk to him, and Acheron is also the only other individual we have met atm to be able to sense Clockily (black swan probably can but i dont think there has been an interaction between the 2 yet)

[@TinkRomero]

@@ethanfitzer7039 strangely enough, in that Clocky encounter. Clocky tells us that him and his friends keep the peace in Penacony, this includes Misha … not the Family. … despite being a Bellboy for the Reverie, his responsibility seems to be protecting Penacony to a degree that even the Family cannot accomplish. Misha is an extremely significant character in Penacony and … honestly I can’t wait until they reveal Misha’s involvement in everything.

[@grandcanon27]

About the "Something Unto Death" one you're talking about. Do you think the treasure is loosely based on Pandora's Box?

[@illuminati3561]

Like many before mentioned already, in HI3 Mei does indeed have "another personality or split personality". Funnily enough, Meis story in Hi3 for a few chapters was quite similar to whatevers going on with Acheron this arc.

[@IAmNotDiluc]

Guys what if shes the primordial one a progenitor god hailing from beyond the stars

[@DawitsLookingforEmilia]

BRO I CANT WAIT TO SAY THIS AGAIN WHEN I MAKE A GENSHIN VIDEO

[@TheUnintelligentOne]

The 8 minute lord no more Dawit has transcended the 8 minute mark entirely

[@DawitsLookingforEmilia]

LMAO alot to talk about. but i do miss our old friends in the genshin videos. maybe well see them one day again stupid boi

[@blueorbleu625]

Unwittingly hurt a masked fool? Implying she hurt or killed sparkle to get there?

[@astrolord4325]

I like your laughs, they make me feel sane, or saner i would say. Because of similarity maybe?

[@DawitsLookingforEmilia]

ONE OF US

[@Philspective.]

Yeah, this is really interesting. Another note I would like to point out is her tattoo on her leg. It might seem something to her lore. It looks like 2 flames (or slashes) one is purple and one is red. Which might show there are two versions of her? Or for all we know she is the person with the sword in the lore of Dead Waters Relic, which symbolizes the purple slash as her friend, Frebass, and the red slash as Her. I mean character designers just dont go "Oooohh lets put a tatto on her so she looks like a a badass withouth any meaning". There is a high probability the tattoo on her leg means something.

[@addyfalcon3656]

5:07 We've seen similar eyes on Sampo, to find out soon it wasn't Sampo but Hanabi aka Sparkle. So the part of this cutscene might as well tell us that this mischevious imposter kiddo might try to fool us to believe Aventurine's narration and attack us while impersonating Acheron.

[@ethanfitzer7039]

there is a lot of side mysteries within Penacony and although they are important i feel that many are forgetting that Penacony as a whole is basically a detective murder mystery novel, so i think one important question that needs to be asked is Who's murder are we really here to solve because i dont think it can be Robins as we had the invite even as we were leaving Belobog we just got side tracked thanks to the Stelleron Hunters and we also know people were disappearing before Robins death assuming time isn't a possible issue. We know a lot of separate parties got invited, and the astral crew believe that whoever invited us is the individual who is causing this mess as they knew about it before it was supposedly happening, so i think really the only thing that matters in the end concerning Acheron and any other party is if they were here to begin with and not just invited or a stowaway

[@blazeman2419]

She probably is a Galaxy Ranger I mean Sam of all people acknowelege her as such, the other is that Aventurine claims that she stole Ifrit's invitation... and that makes no semse since the whole reason to why we couldn't use Dang heng room... because we are not him, other is that Aventurine also claims that Everflame mansion is gone and it's the other members never arrive to Penaconny, but un their trailer they said that they are not going to Fall back, it is all or nothing.

[@ethanfitzer7039]

ye there are holes in Adventurines story imo the one most likely to have killed Ifrit is Sam, as i think it was said Sam is a stowaway

[@IveBeenWithBruma]

And what if she has permanent VIP status? Remember why we are here to begin with. We are looking for other Nameless and if my theory is correct Acheron most likely has ties to Akavili and in turn the Trailblazer. Perhaps she was one of the Nameless that travelled alongside Akavili and the moment they disappeared another Aeon took advantage of her lack of an Aeon's protection. It explains her completely one sided nature with the current Aeon she possibly serves as she gets nothing but negatives out of it.

[@MoriBoita]

Someone said that the red dialog is different from person to person, maybe there's something related to that?

[@Cressyextraeepy]

ive played honkai impact 3rd (absolutely worth the play, its heartbreaking but SO good and i wanna see more counterpart characters because theres some that would fit so many gimmicks in hsr locations (xianzhou general hua when?)) and i was initally hesitent on saying shes comepletely a mei or its a bronya case and theres another one coming due to people saying stuff here and there, but now im convinced and believe she is and that because of that shes an eminator of terminus, the aeon of finality. spoilers for hi3, in honkai impact 3rd you follow Kiana Kaslana and her friends and foes on a story where she starts as a quirky slacker student valkyrie to multiple herrscher forms to end on finality to defeat the forces of honkai that leak into the world and once destroyed it. (honkai is a actual thing and a threat in hi3. it works somewhat like a stellaron and aeons are like if herrchers were genshin archons) theres also bronya zaychik and raiden mei who become lead characters in their own arcs and the 3 are classed as the main trio and reach an end point like kiana, bronya with truth and mei with origin. theres also fu hua who id class as a fouth seudo member but her late arcs are pretty separate and only just completed. the game has excelent characters and plot with deep lore that you absolutely can apply to hsr, like how i think herrscher cores and stellarons may be the same thing in purpose but differ in universe uses and logic, and how we're doing a deltarune and we're the stellaron and not the vessle. you gotta try it if you want to have a new way of looking at certain events in hsr. i mean mr yang is literally from that game's timeline and there to help hsr himeko not end up like hi3 himeko. hes a whole damn guy you only know if you know. on mei's personality, shes actually really nice and the smart friend until the trauma train hit her full force and she saw a game of among us in first person and 'danced' with pink elf jesus. when the conlflict eases and shes okay to be normal (as you can be after that) shes the mature one of the group and is more friendly again. i have a lot to say on shogun ei and how shes not 100% mei because she actually has some of sakura's lore despite literally miko being right there. also mei can cook and really well. they even have a cooking anime which mei is highly praised for her skill. (also that anime is hilarious, i love hi3 mini animes theyre fantastic) but on the topic of acheron, and more heavy spoilers, i initally wasnt sure she was a mei due to some hesitation from comments i saw in the leadup to penacony. i am convinced now and believe shes an eminator for finality. one moment that had me personally freaked out was somethings she says only depending on your gender. for femtb its "she stood shoulder to shoulder with me" for maletb its "he crossed blades with me". this difference is interesting because of mei's experience with 2 kaslanas. kiana ADORES mei and would do anything to be by her side (except when you know you know) hi3 opens with her looking for mei upon hearing she was nearby and giddier than a kid on a sugar high. then when mei takes on her herrsher of thunder identity and joins the world serpant, kevin kaslana who is very likely to be prevous era kiana if its not just cannon shows her the historical failure of the flamechasers and if elysian realm's fighting loop is cannon then the kevin boss is certainly something to think about here. i play as femtb and i took that statement as a kiana reference due to how kiana was basically the main character on hi3 part 1 and how in hi3 it seems theres going to be a kaslana and a mei that are interlinked. kevin had dr.mei who looks like mei a LOT despite no real connection beyond that and kiana has raiden mei my thoughts were that a game with heavy links back to hi3 would have that kind of tie too. learning the maletb dialouge just sets it harder for me. it did make me freak out in a not oh wow way but a meta horror way because i renamed my account from honky blaze to kiana kaslana 2 after playin hi3 for the first time and it felt so targeted. the thing about terminus the finality aeon and experiencing time backwards and how that could be applied to acheron also links to kiana as she became the herrscher of finality and still is at the end of part one. this could be aeon kiana or maybe another eminator is, or like ei getting the dead sister from sakura, acheron is taking from kiana's components. i mean, she has the same finger plates as finality kiana on her right hand, they have similar eye style and the flowers in relevance to acheron are a tiny bit like the ones on finkia but red and white over shades of blue and a tiny pink. i only noticed those details because of drawing them both and having a good look at my references. we're going to get an answer next update and from what i saw about acheron from some places, that statement on black, white and red is going to be SOMTHING E L S E in the way of cutscene moments. also tragiedy for meicheron getting a round of first peron among us as well.

[@Nygon08]

if you look in the splash art of black swan it shows duke infernos skull so it was black swan who killed him not acheron

[@geboaebo]

I really do think they're trying to play with the whole "unreliability of memory" thing. Maybe we just don't remember the things she said, so the red text is just our brain filling in the blanks based on what she could have said, as it often does. That would explain how we can get 2 completely contradictory answers in the same dialogue

[@BaraKingu]

Well the only time acheron said she was who she "is" she was awaken and to register in the hotel but its either someone else in the dream or she lied once to be able to access the dreamscape

[@emmanuelgonzalezcaseira9141]

Hmm... maybe the thing is that if 2 aeons work together, then they can turn into emanators people that are walking other paths.

[@Nichtwissen]

Acheron is a "good" Person, I don't think she's lying... maybe they manipulate her somehow. She brought FFs "soul" to peace(?). She protected you from SAM. I don't know.. she's nice. She quoted: "No compassion for the enemy, for that is cruelty upon yourself. But you must see clearly who the true enemy is. And then with one swing of your blade, you must understand it's meaning and the price you pay." Still don't believe Aventurine. Black Swan also sus... everytime we meet "Death", she is there. And everybody is after the Watchmaker... I love this mystery stuff... 😊

[@emperman]

I've also noticed how there's been no gameplay video leaks of her which is unlike any other character

[@Zoeila]

because the beta was delayed due to CNY

[@rinoakirova1548]

I've read some people theorizing that Acheron is an Emanator of Finality. If she were like the Aeon who "moves backwards in time" it would make sense out of her odd attitudes. She doesn't remember the past because she hasn't experienced it yet. She gives different responses because there are multiple possible futures, and the "Acheron" we meet can come from any of them. She didn't have a choice to draw her sword against the Death meme because Firefly's death was already a fact in her timeline. Now for the red text, my personal interpretation is that they are connected to memories of the future. Notice that EVERY TIME Acheron speaks in red, she's talking about the past in one way or another. Maybe the red text is like her "anchor" to a specific timeline? There's also an instance where the player is forced to select an option with red text. I see people thinking this is some mind power of Acheron's, but from the anchoring theory, I believe we are made to take that option because it's the only possible future.

[@BILISenjans]

It seems like Acheron can pretty much one tap TB and mostly everyone in the dreamscape, at least she doesn’t seem to wishing death upon the others, only passively attracting death if Aventurine was to be believed

[@marcusbullock2753]

It would be cool to have a playable multi personality disorder character despite it being played quite a bit for entertainment value. At least in gacha it's something unique gameplay wise I hope.

[@xXzman9000Xx]

you kinda missed a few emanators. jing yuan - hunt ifrit - destruction also dan hung might be a pseudo emanator of permanence, not very clear exactly how he fits in with the whole path thing, but he's clearly not a normal path strider.

[@thehunt895]

Jingyuan is an emanator but ifrit is not destruction emanators are called lord ravagers

[@DawitsLookingforEmilia]

due to being the general, jing yuan was blessed by lan with the lightning lord, but its never stated anywhere hes an emanator.

[@xXzman9000Xx]

@@DawitsLookingforEmilia is it not that the "Arbiter Generals" receiving power from lan, and not specifically bring called emanators, is somewhat like destruction emanators being called "lord ravengers"? you can receive more favor then the average path strider from an aeon, but not be a emanator? what are they even using to decide this? edit: actually also aren't all genius members emanators? or is that just herta? seems confusing...

[@Zoeila]

@@DawitsLookingforEmilia its stated in lore that all the luofu generals are emanators of the hunt

[@navia2756]

Acheron's lines also change based on whether you picked Stelle or Caelus

[@shirou_white]

call me mental but i say Acheron is HI3 Raiden Mei from post APOH who who stranded in HSR like Welt but with amnesia. Imma also say that she is the Emanotor of Finality, with the Aeon of Finality turning out to be our favourite tuna aka. Herrscher of finality aka. Kiana Kasslana, who mastered her authority over finality and after finding out about HSR himeko did a Welt and looks over the HSR "universe" to make sure this Himeko doesn't die. With kiana beeing the Aeon of finality, it would perfectly explain how Acheron (Mei) was granted teh status of Emanator since best tuna would obviously allow her girlfriend to use more of her powers than anyone else following the path of finality...

[@dubzybc5457]

Tbf her sword does look like the weird eyes/symbols on the death thing so she probably was anaylzing it or she wouldve killed us and firefly in the midst of drawing it who knows cant wait to play her tho

[@XbenjaminXL3]

the last leak i saw was her being emanator of nihility but i guess they going with finality now? either way i still think acheron is just a empty husk for death whether it be finality or nihility, and the red text is i hope is just split personality or true personality coming to the surface

[@necasa4919]

I'd like to pitch in by saying that perhaps there are still too many red herrings around to say something for certain. Take the whole idea of the "death and finality" emanator for instance. The only source we have for this is Aventurine, and that guy is as trustworthy as a crypto bro, so why would I even entertain the idea? Duke Inferno's death could be true, but I doubt she stole any invitation, as she was accepted into the hotel without a fuss (unless the penacony trailer has been retconned). Overall, I think there is still too little info to work with solidly, even less so with Acheron. The rest of the characters should also be working with little info, if we exclude BS since she is a memo keeper.

[@RomaNepl]

What if she's actually an emanator of nihility? Firstly, she's nihility. Secondly, in the music trailer "white night" we can see at the end that Acheron is crying and there's a giant black hole behind her, the nihility aeon looks exactly like that blackhole. Thirdly, the black hole is black and white, Acheron also says something about "only seeing black and white at the end" she said that after we answer her questions. (Also, idk if it's related, but the music trailer's name is "white night" if night signifies the color black, then it's also "black and white".

[@DawitsLookingforEmilia]

its possible. but not a guarantee

[@RomaNepl]

@@DawitsLookingforEmilia Yeah, we can only speculate for now

[@deviant315l6]

Jing yuan is erudition in gameplay but is hunt in lore. Don’t compare gameplay with lore that closely. Black swan is Remembrance but is nihility in game so using gameplay does not work out.

[@tayloravery7840]

The purpose of acherons red text stumps me however i cant help but have a feeling its connected to the second "murder" in the black swan/sparkle interlude quest after the main one is complete In that u can answer however u like and the answer will always be correct however the reason why and how will change to match what u input Cant help but feel this is similar to acherons red text. No matter what u input it will progress the story but the details of this red text change We already know that sparkle tried using this method of trying to use an absurd analogy to get us to release a truth like she did with firefly when pretending to be sampo. And whilst by no means the only "truth" that the side quest might be hiding, i get the feeling that sparkle was doing the same thing there with black swan. Including having the hidden place of the living sparkle being the "dead body" of sparkle - analogy of what firefly may have done? Comes off as very "and then there were none" as well, as the killer there pulled a similar trick off much the same Not saying im 100% right but food for thought

[@xeali1]

haven’t me met 4 1/2 emanator by your description of herta only be half since jing yuan is supposed to be an emanator of the hunt

[@Stormcrosser]

Yeah I think there are two of her like Raiden or maybe she have some mental problems

[@ethenvt]

i think so too, i think the red is the "stigma" persona speaking

[@Pascll]

with how aventurine says she's an emanator who brings death and finality... I mean finality literally is a path, so I'm gonna say probably that one.

[@pakboris2268]

I remember somebody said that all generals of Xianzhou are Emanators. So isn`t Jing Yuan an Emanator?

[@Fate7G]

Emanator of Hunt

[@DawitsLookingforEmilia]

can someone point me to where it says this? im a bit confused just cause i know Lan blessed him with the lightning lord for being the general, but i dont think its actually stated hes an emanator

[@deviant315l6]

@@DawitsLookingforEmiliahe isn’t one people are just extrapolating. The only true emanator we’ve met is phantylia. The others have just caught their gaze at one point eg Herta and the rest of the known geniuses we’ve seen, fu xuan, jing yuan etc

[@Fate7G]

@@DawitsLookingforEmilia I remember it like that, didn't Phanthylia mention that (or mentioned during that quest)? I may be wrong

[@thearcanetrickster517]

I thought we have meet more than the mentioned emanators. Like Jing Yuan is an emanator of the hunt.

[@tranduclong4642]

No, lan just give him the lighting lord, he cannot take power from the hunt so he is not the emanator

[@outsiderd]

There is one more red dialog and it's sus as amongus! When you are with black swan and you encounter Acheron, if you refuse her to join you she will ask you to repeat what you said and after two refusals YOUR reply line stating that you don't want her with you will change and you will be forced to agree into her joining you!

[@blueflamegamer5677]

SPOILERS . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Acheron having a split personality who brings death and finality might be true because we got leaks a few months ago and it has been cofrmed that she has a transformation (playable on 2.1) and a few hours ago has been confirmed that the transformation is called Ultra Pose

[@Bruh-wc1fd]

Jing yuan is an emanator for the hunt

[@CopingMechanism9736]

I think shes an emanator of finality

[@sUsnknown]

The red message make her voice sound more deep and way more serious then a regular ones (Or maybe my ears are just bad lol)

[@DawitsLookingforEmilia]

it sounded super inconsistent to me, but I know what u mean. like for instance when she geniunely believes it was her room, the text was red but her voice was lighthearted, but still different from her normal voice

[@mrfirestar9604]

Also you yourself get red text when meeting her for the third time, if you keep saying no to her joining you you will say, no means no, but in red, after she acts as if you said yes, and you yourself say wait what? So what go in on here!

[@znzz1146]

Galaxy Rangers consist of oddly, mysterious, voluntary created, and from different worlds. They walking the Path of The Hunt (Aeon Lan), and roam the universe. Same path as Xianzhou Luofu but they travel across the galaxy like "assassin". Xianzhou Alliance will attack anyone who tried to ruin them. They will chase you whenever you go. That is why Luocha choose to surrender himself. Not only for a hidden agenda but he knows the alliance will keep chase him. Rangers, it is not like that. They called themself Hero who bring Justice. But it can be double-edge sword. They move in seperately or solo player. It is still unknown. But I think they are not as big as Xianzhou Luofu. Their member can eliminate a genius society member and a Lord Ravanger. Rumor has it that they fell victim to Dr. Primitive's vengeance. So if that is true, Rangers not exist in large group as before. It can be like Knights of Beauty who travel across the galaxy but not in large groups and different agenda. --- Aventurine from IPC not really scare with black swan and sparkle. He even dare to talk to them. Just like Ena the Order and Qlipoth the Preservation who join venture to bring down the Calamities. But it seems like he also not really like the Hunters and Rangers. He tried to warn trailblazer about this. Dr ratio and Aventurine tried to find out about akivili fall is a big question for me. Is it related with these two strange factions? Acheron can be an Emanator. A galaxy ranger who work like an assasin. They can be secretive and weird as well. You never know when they move and where they go. So I hope people will not hate aventurine. He is from IPC which a coorporation. But he just a preservation unit. His method may be weird but that is what he can do. If Hunters work in the shadow as a group, then Rangers work as a single/two player(s). They both kinda sus. You know what I mean. Hunters got a mechanized man while Hunters hold a long katana. Isn't that enough to make people question their motives? As for me, I will choose to keep obtained all the Hunters member.

[@umarfaroq7561]

She might also has double personality like Raiden Shogun. Red subtitles other personality. I might be coping

[@maradito]

I might be wrong but isn’t the general jing yuan an emenator of the hunt ?

[@DawitsLookingforEmilia]

its never been stated

[@raikumokun5595]

Offtopic but my Theory on who the "Watchmaker" might be are either Misha,Mikhail or maybe his grandpa. Cuz it was mentioned somewhere that his grandpa was an adventurer that travelled around the universe plus Firefly said that the watchmaker is a nameless,theres gotta be a connection there

[@DawitsLookingforEmilia]

i also heard mihkail is mishas grandpa, apparently it says that in another language or something?

[@kyokosakura3192]

​@@DawitsLookingforEmiliaIn russian translation Misha calls Mikhail grandpa.