WHAT IS AN ADVENTIST? | ft. Justin Khoe (That Christian Vlogger)

What does it mean to be an Adventist? Who decides who's in and who's out? Is there room at the table of Adventism to disagree while pursuing the same mission? These are the answers we search for in this new series from Seeking What They Sought. In episode 5, we're joined by ‪@JustinKhoe‬. Justin is a professional KZbinr, podcaster, and church consultant creating content for the spiritually curious.
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[@snowboardingchic]

I love Justin's perspective. I try to align my adventism like his.

[@rayray4192]

You either align yourself with daughter of the devil Ellen White, or you are not a genuine Adventist demonic cultist. Ellen White would hammer Khoe and publicly shame him and proclaim God has shown her Khoe is an imposter. A wannabe Adventist- a wannabe Jew, and a wannabe Christian. That’s a lot of wannabe.

[@rayray4192]

It’s not Adventism. Pope Ellen would rebuke him publicly and shame him. He’s a liar who publicly stated he never heard of Ellen until he was 18, despite having an Adventist grandfather pastor leading people to eternal hell, and a Adventist worker mother. He tries to run from his pope. You are not a Christian

[@dushyfacchinello4118]

Perfect video. I loved the contents. This was the best conversation that I have heard so far from your podcasts.

[@rickd7956]

When Jesus said, "Be perfect", or "be mature", He was talking about a level of love in my opinion. Just before saying that, He said to love you enemies". He was wrapping up His exposition of the peoples applications of the law as a means to salvation. You have heard it said, but I tell you...

[@rayray4192]

Excellent point with spiritual discernment.

[@rayray4192]

Adventists are so far from perfect. A problem for them because daughter of the devil Ellen White pontificated all Adventists must become perfect and stand before God without mediator. Ellen chastised Adventists for being slow becoming perfect because Jesus can not return until Adventists prove Mosaic law can be perfectly kept just like Jesus. This supposedly vindicates God. It’s heresy and laughable error. Adventists are clowns in the Adventist big top circus.

[@rickd7956]

Great video guys...keep up the good work!!

[@LettiesLife]

Great a video! And you did a great job on Answering Adventism too. ✌🏽🦋💜

[@rayray4192]

Adventists have no answers. Adventists can’t explain their foundational doctrine.

[@sabrinapetersen623]

Justin's perspective was so refreshing! Great thoughts on the Adventist church being a bottom-up organization and how each member is a contributor in the community.

[@rayray4192]

It’s a lie. The Adventist business is operated by the top players in a demonic religious game designed to generate revenue.

[@rayray4192]

Refreshing? If you had any spiritual discernment you would say a foul odor like a decaying corpse.

[@robking12697]

1:20:30 - 1:21:12 Well said! I almost felt like running too, but knew that if God wanted me out, he would have me persecuted out. Love reality changed my life

[@rayray4192]

God loathes the Adventist demonic cult and calls attorney repent- die - and be born again, and leave the abomination

[@caroleceres]

I’m late to this series (& have been watching them out of sequence). I wasn’t going to watch this episode because I thought that I probably wouldn’t be able to relate to a KZbinr! But, oh boy! I’m so glad that I watched it (FOMO)! 😂😂 These video/podcasts have been so enlightening for me! I now need to revisit Romans 6! As I watch each episode, I keep thinking to myself, “These guys should have a group discussion and melding of minds with Justin, Tim, Timothy, Myles and Randy. They all seem to represent what ‘Adventism’ should be, corporately!” Yes, even Myles… 😊 That might be a logistical nightmare, but it would be such an interesting discussion. Thank you for this. I really appreciated this. Thank you, Justin.

[@ThinkingNat2]

I don’t know what to think about this channel.. I agree with Justin aside from the staying in the SDA church part

[@EbaTolasa-ep1fj]

Great video with important spiritual awakening.

[@DavidHunte]

I love this conversation

[@glow308]

I appreciate Justin’s determination to share the true gospel of Christ. As most of you on the panel, I also was raised SDA. Educated in SDA schools, baptized at 10 along with others in my fifth grade class. I’ve spent the past 60 years immersed and being spoonfed SDA doctrines largely based on the writings of Ellen White. I was raised in a “bubble of Adventism”. Adventism is more than just a religion, it is a culture, it is a lifestyle, and if followed correctly (i.e. adhering strictly to the writings of the prophet), will seek to influence and control every area of your life. What you think, what you eat, what you wear, what you read, your entertainment and sports, your friends, etc. etc. etc. I am a product of that control and I’m finding it very difficult to break free. I am hesitant to use the word brainwashed, but I will say that I was heavily influenced by the church’s teachings. Some of you may be able to relate if you have been raised in a conservative, legalistic Adventist home. I have also, like some of you, recently discovered the true gospel that was delivered to the apostles. Realizing it was not what I was taught, I embarked on a two-year study of the 28 doctrines of the church, setting aside Ellen White, and using the Bible alone. I have found that not all of the doctrines agree with what Ellen White taught. So I then had to delve deeper into her writings to see if she indeed contradicts the Bible. I was very saddened to realize that indeed she does. At times she also contradicts herself. I know, there are many, like myself, who have discovered the inconsistencies and errors in her writings and in the 28 beliefs. But we find ourselves in an uncomfortable dilemma, because where else is there to go to worship and fellowship on Sabbath? Many ask themselves that question. The options are few. That is the reason so many Adventists stay in the church, choose not to read Ellen White’s writings, ignore the investigative judgment and try to share the true gospel, etc. etc. I do not believe the church will ever change its beliefs and admit that they got some things wrong. Because to do so, would be to deny the writings of the prophet, and that would be the end of the SDA church. Like it or not, the church stands or falls with belief that Ellen White was, not only inspired, but that her writings are equal to, and in some cases, trump the Scriptures. A person cannot reject the writings of Ellen White, the teaching of the investigative judgment and the “Remnant Church“ theology and remain a true Adventist. Adventism at it’s core is a monolith. The GC and official church doctrines are what define what the church believes. That is Adventism. Justin commented that the Adventist church is the most diverse denomination in Christianity. The fact that there are so many people believing different things, teaching different gospels and not following the churches (prophet’s) teachings, just proves that the Adventist church is in a state of confusion. It’s a mess and it’s not getting better. It’s getting more confused as more and more people discover the errors and inconsistencies in the doctrines. The teachings are determined from the top down, not from the bottom up. If you do not believe every one of the 28 fundamental beliefs, you cannot call yourself a true Adventist. There is only one Adventism, and it is defined by those beliefs. True Adventists do not accept the Bible as their only creed. The beliefs of the church were formed by the “pen of inspiration“ each one had to have the stamp of approval by Ellen White as she received visions and dreams and direct “inspiration from God”. The fact that many Adventists consider her writings to be equal with the Scriptures is consistent with her own testimonies about them. This is why I do not believe a person can consider themselves an Adventist without believing, and following, the writings of Ellen White, and without believing in the investigative judgment which denies the true gospel of Christ. I do not hold out much hope that the church will ever change its position on those two issues.

[@mmtoss6530]

It is mostly correct about what you said. But, I encourage you to leave. The Seventh-Day Baptists are a real option if you feel so inclined to observe the Seventh-Day Sabbath. However, please understand it is better to go to a Sunday observing Church that is faithful to the Gospel, than a denomination that clearly preaches a false Gospel. I realized that the doctrines of soul sleep and sabbath worship were not biblical, so it has been easier for me to leave for genuine Christianity.

[@rayray4192]

@@mmtoss6530there is no Sabbath. It was a shadow of reality. There has not been a Sabbath since the Sabbath before the crucified Christ died as a curse hanging on a tree.

[@rayray4192]

Come all the way out of the disgusting Adventist demonic cult. Give up your golden calf idol fantasy Sabbath. You have been bewitched. Shabbat was an appointed feast for escaped Hebrew slaves. Shabbat was a shadow. Stop the insane chasing of a shadow.

[@mmtoss6530]

@@rayray4192 well there is the Lord’s Day. In my opinion, that has replaced the Jewish Sabbath.

[@rayray4192]

@@mmtoss6530 Shabatt was the sign of the old conditional contract between God and escaped Hebrew slaves. The Lord’s Day is not a sign of the new covenant. Jesus said,” Do this in remembrance of me.” The cup of wine and the broken bread are the sign of the new covenant. One ritual remembers rescue from Egyptian slavery. The other ritual remembers the sacrifice of Christ.

[@CaptMoo]

MAN, that Romans 6 breakdown, so good. The definition of sin??? SAY IT LOUDER. Powerful episode. PS: Googled MySpace Disgrace... JAWDROPPED. Haahaha

[@JustinKhoe]

🤣

[@sapa6483]

The no water with food and the two meals a deal are not just EWG's advise to us but has also been scientifically proven to improve health and longevity. I've done extensive research on this myself.

[@Angelo20262]

Gospel preaching.. Because of Jesus I am saved. Not by works.. love him quoting Hebrews 11. Adventism has doctrinal inconsistency.. but Adventism also is a community for many believing thinkers who are gospel centered, and reject non biblical doctrines. Enjoyed the conversation.

[@healinghumanity1782]

If more people had the noble spirit of William Miller & Adventists the world would by now be filled with hopefulness. I am an African Adventist Baha’i. The Adventist Christianity in me is that Ellen White’s health counsels are part of my daily living. The Baha’i in me constitutes of my participation in building Christ’s Kingdom on earth. I am caught up in speeding up the process of Christ’s coming so that “all eyes” can see Him in clouds.

[@richardsenner4173]

Valuable lesson Learned, thankyou.

[@tambrabullock]

Thank you this was so helpful :)

[@austinebner4905]

Great episode. Love the breakdown of Romans 6. The league comments had me rolling. We should play sometime if you guys still play at all!

[@rickd7956]

Whatever is not of faith is sin...so whatever is of faith is non-sin or righteousness. This is based in the mystery of Christ in us. Col 1:27.

[@misheckselemani1528]

Great Great

[@robking12697]

51:50 is the clip!

[@user-ce9ul7vd7e]

question, if EGW was a founder of the SDA why would you as a member would not read her books and know what her advice to the church was?

[@barryford1482]

Ellen White was not the founder of Christianity the founder was Jesus Christ

[@barryford1482]

I enjoyed Justin,s talk on the true gospel and would like to suggest these topic have been present in the church for a long time. Justin what would your position on the Investigative Judgement be as Dr Ford has taken the position the IJ fl ys in the face of the gospel ? I was brought up SDA but have Joined the Anglican Church . The Adventist Church uses much of Anglican Hymns and Ellen copied much from Anglican writers. The Anglican church follows very much like the records we have of church fathers such as Justin in 150ad being the reading of the old and new testiament then the president speaking on those sacred things .

[@rickd7956]

The "be perfect" statement by Jesus shouldn't be taken out of the context of what Jesus had just presented as a message. Love is the perfectness, righteousness, mercy, justice in dealings...

[@arthurandteresabeem7142]

1:16:20 I get what Justin is saying when he says the community--from the bottom up--get to define Adventism. But right now, the bottom up IS conservative, Ellen White-reading Adventism. If I were an Adventist today I would be exactly your kind of Adventist. I relate very much to Justin. However, when the SDA church is growing in S. America and Africa, you have a bottom-up majority Adventism that is very traditional. Are you saying they get to define it?

[@chisomonthulane5920]

Oh wow...that is a very good question! As someone from South Africa where the majority of SDA churches are conservative, Ellen White-reading communities that are indeed very traditional I don't know how I missed that aspect while listening to this episode. While there is nothing wrong with reading Ellen White (I do every now and again) but I have seen the kind of conservatism that comes packaged with doing so, to a point where it actually does repel others and obstruct the beautiful picture of the gospel. And if Adventism is indeed defined from the bottom up like Justin suggests then that can be concerning in terms of how or what others perceive Adventism to be.

[@umabrijmohun6720]

​​​@@chisomonthulane5920I am also from South Africa(Ethweni) the churches that I was involved in, EGW was quoted more than the Bible .. EGW as their continued source of inspiration (fundamental belief no 18)eventually I had to leave in 2020 and converted back to christianity =Christ and Gospel focused

[@chisomonthulane5920]

@@umabrijmohun6720 I'm sorry that was your experience so much so that it made you doubt your faith and made you feel you had no choice but to leave Adventism because it was such a stumbling block for you. I, myself, grew up in a very conservative church in Pretoria where Ellen White was quoted even more than the Bible. I'll tell you something...Ellen White is not the problem. She herself said she is the lesser light who points to the Greater Light (ie. Jesus) and she also did say if any of her writings don't agree with the Bible you can simply put her work aside and follow the Bible alone. We are a Bible-believing people after all and we stand on sola scriptura. As I've grown in my faith, what I've come to understand is that people within the church (and I can only speak from a South African perspective as that is what I know and have experienced) have misunderstood the rightful place of Ellen White and her writings in relation to the Bible, her writings are not to supersede it. There is a particular brand of legalism coupled with arrogance that I've seen sprout up from those who hold EGW at the same level as the Bible and I think that is horrific. But again, EGW is not the problem, it's people's misunderstanding of where to place her writings that is. I attend a church here in Joburg that rarely ever mentions EGW and it has been refreshing being part of a community that is truly loving and focuses on the Bible, funny enough being part of it has made me want to read EGW's writings for myself and dig deeper into what the Bible says. The beautiful thing about Adventism is that we're not a monolith (as Justin mentioned in the video), we all tend to agree on the main facets of the faith but one can differ on aspects that don't have salvific value and still remain in the church or call themselves Adventist. This is a faith that is ever-increasing in knowledge of God's word and even with its shortcomings, I don't think I would ever leave because I'm not there for people, I'm there because of Jesus.

[@mmtoss6530]

The GC should define what an Adventist is. If the official SDA body is wrong on what an Adventist is, and only the liberal Adventists get to define it, then you have anarchy. Pin the tale on the donkey. Go watch the 4th episode with the former SDA, where he talks about this same thing. Adventism is not what you want it to be. It is a system of theology. If the official SDA Church organization is now not allowed to define what the group actually believes, then your group is Babylon, plain and simple. Confusion.

[@arthurandteresabeem7142]

@@mmtoss6530 I was a liberal Adventist BECAUSE I thought many of the SDA doctrines were not in scripture. I wanted to remain Adventist--so I just created my own Adventism so I could stay. While these young men say they remain in "tension" between following God and following Adventism, I simply saw it as cognitive dissonance and hypocrisy. So I finally had to leave--which I hated with all my heart. As I look back into Adventism as an older and wiser person, I see that it doesn't really work for a church to allow everyone to follow what is true in their own heart, not having any definitive meaning to "Adventist." The SDA church is preaching an everlasting gospel that is unique to their church alone. To discard that and attempt to be mainline Protestant is actually a good thing. I hope Adventism does exactly that. But to allow Adventism to be defined by the Adventist means a complete disintegration of the church. What these men are doing is starting a new denomination. Which I applaud but they need to clearly understand what they are doing and not deceive themselves.

[@glow308]

Is justification dependent upon us confessing every known sin past and present? How do we respond to the conditional aspect of 1John 1:9? Some say in order to be justified we must: 1. accept Christ 2. repent of our sins 3. forsake our sins 4. confess our sins to God 5. ask God to forgive our sins 6. be baptized 7. go and sin no more To me, that sounds like salvation by works. That our justification is dependent upon what WE do rather than on what Christ did for us. Is this a false gospel?

[@mmtoss6530]

Salvation by works is false, but we should repent of our sins. But we will never be sin free this side of glory. The SDAs lean into the false idea of perfectionism.

[@caleschnell]

​@@mmtoss6530What law lens do you hear Be ye perfect as your Father in heaven perfect? Perfect task performance or perfect heart-motive alignment with God?

[@mmtoss6530]

@@caleschnell no one was ever able to do such a thing except Christ. No one matches the standard of God’s law, and therefore are condemned. Seventh-Day Adventist soteriology is at least the same as Roman Catholicism at the very best.

[@glow308]

@@mmtoss6530 At least SDAs confess their sins to God, and not to an earthly priest. But it is still a teaching of salvation by faith plus works. ☹️

[@davidmorgan6432]

The video thumbnail says Ep. 04. I think it should be Ep. 05

[@seanlehnhoff9416]

Good catch! We’ll fix it.

[@masz10676]

Many mornings i wake up feeling like a nobody. But i tell Jesus, im clinging to You. I may have to say it again but Jesus is with me. When feeling overwhelmed use ur knees to spread the gospel. Pray for His Spirit and He will send it. God bless...

[@Youraliberal]

What’s an Adventist? 🤷‍♂️ Who knows

[@kelvinnot1073]

Great video! I praise God from the bottom of my heart that you believe in the Gospel. But, I disagree with your line of logic to 'fix' your church from within. There's room to argue with my logic, sure - but it goes as follows: Your Gospel is your identity. If, for whatever reason, you preach the Gospel to Muslims from within - are you not a more effective witness when you publicly identify as a Christian within a Muslim community, as opposed to a Muslim who believes in Jesus (aka. an imposter).

[@miguellozano7130]

Was not the point of the investigative judgement to vindicate Gods law ?

[@peterbamford2811]

No

[@miguellozano7130]

@@peterbamford2811 ok then what is the point of investigative judgement? ( yom kippir )

[@peterbamford2811]

@@miguellozano7130 the term investigative judgement was invented to save face over the failed prophecy of the non return of christ by William miller, reinforced by ellen white , nothing happened in 1844 except shutting the door of the church with its little holy huddle inside with ellen white claiming probation was over for everyone outside the church ,this rubbish went on for 7years 1844 to 1851 have a impartial study on this cults background and history !

[@mmtoss6530]

@@miguellozano7130the IJ was a coping mechanism used by the SDA pioneers because they couldn’t accept the fact that William Miller was 100% wrong and his movement was unbiblical.

[@jimijames7703]

Are Seventh Day Adventists Christians?

[@snowboardingchic]

Yes. We consider ourselves Christians

[@charnelallan7159]

​@@snowboardingchicyet u teach false doctrines? For someone to ask this question is a red flag

[@niaukatu8737]

@@charnelallan7159really? Because They asked Jesus if he was the son of God too? The servant is not greater than the master! Questioning, is not Proof that you are in error.!

[@charnelallan7159]

​@@niaukatu8737Anyone who is of the belief that Christ atonement was not completed at calvary is in GREAT ERROR

[@niaukatu8737]

@@charnelallan7159 and anyone who teaches that God’s laws are no longer applicable is in error! Your definition of a completed atonement is why you are in error. But let us continue to study. The Holy Spirit will sure reveal truth to us.

[@bimosunupoernomo7120]

You go on social media wearing tank top? Who do you think you are? Pat McAfee? NOT POLITE PUT ON SHIRT AND TIE!!You called yourself an SDA? SHAME ON YOU . I will tell people on GC!! SDA member of Alllentown PA

[@jessechurchill7027]

A big scary Bimo appears. I’ll wear a tank top in the next one just for you Beems.

[@jessechurchill7027]

Also, if you’re serious in this comment, you just might be one of the reasons the Adventist Church is dying. ❤❤❤

[@rayray4192]

@@jessechurchill7027Adventist demonic cult is dying because it sucks. People don’t like being lied too. People are funny that way.

[@jamilabrown8347]

😂😂😂 jessseeee​@@jessechurchill7027