What is Broken on This Ferrari F430?

[@PatKaz98]

Check that there isn’t oil on the MAF sensor, sometimes if you overfill the oil and it shoots back on the MAF , that can happen. Happened on my f430 it would cut power out and get sluggish. Cleaned my MAF sensor and it ran like brand new. Easy thing to check

[@normalguysupercar]

You sir, nailed it!!!

[@PatKaz98]

@@normalguysupercar awesome, glad that fixed it!

[@irw4350]

MAF sensor - TBH I hadn't even heard of it - but my F430 symptoms were exactly the same as yours with random gear selection, esp from 4th - I spent a fortune on it over 2yrs & lost a fortune trading it in - thinking it had been fixed by my local Ferrari garage - but no, the problems came back for the new owner - I am still very glad I got shut of it - it was a lemon and I'd never buy another. The 488 which replaced it has so far been fine - fingers crossed !

[@normalguysupercar]

Yeah sometimes they just don't want to be fixed I swear. LOL!

[@SummitLife]

I had some weird e gear issues with my 06 gallardo. Wouldn’t go in reverse (would make the noise like it would), and sometimes it would pop into N while shifting fast from 3-4. I replaced the battery, had the computer re learn its thing, replaced the accumulator (same as f1), and bled the system. Nothing fixed the problem. Turned out to be the e gear position sensor!!! So the mechanical parts were fine. The computer just didn’t know what was going on so times. Idk if this helps at all but thought I’d share!

[@normalguysupercar]

That's something I'll keep in mind if it doesn't get fixed with some of the other things we're trying.

[@fldigger]

Drove from Interlaken to Lucerne today behind 5 British RHD Ferraris…looked like 2 430s, 2 458s and a California. They were having fun reving engines in the Swiss mountain tunnels…wonderful to see

[@normalguysupercar]

Very nice!

[@schloemo]

If it’s not idling well and seems to be down on power I’d replace the MAF sensors. They easily get contaminated with oil. Same with the 360.

[@normalguysupercar]

Yes indeed

[@Engineer_with_cars]

Can you read the accumulator “pre-charge” pressure through the TCU. This will tell you the condition of the accumulator. TRW made the pumps.

[@normalguysupercar]

I'm not sure but I'll check.

[@01coltcolt19]

The F1 lines and accumulator you pulled off mine were new. use that pump and squid.

[@normalguysupercar]

Yeah, we may just do that.

[@MrIFARI]

Maybe it needs a new Potentiometer and/or the ECU reset/relearn procedure after the battery & F1 pump changes.

[@normalguysupercar]

Not a bad idea.

[@MrGB1999]

​@@normalguysupercargood luck getting hold of the pots unless they started making them again? 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@organiccold]

In last resource if nothing works you can always call the Master, Mr. Hill and we will have some fun quacks 😂

[@garyleibitzke4166]

I've missed all of his quacks. 😄

[@normalguysupercar]

OH man there'd be a lot of quacks.

[@fldigger]

@@normalguysupercar bring him in

[@garyleibitzke4166]

@@fldigger Yes !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@barryrodko4202]

DO IT! 😃

[@garyleibitzke4166]

Hope it's something simple/cheap to fix.

[@normalguysupercar]

We shall see...

[@Will-ul9ey]

I always replace or at least remove and clean the F1 filter (mesh screen) when I replace the fluid or accumulator

[@normalguysupercar]

Ah good

[@JeffCosgrave]

I'm going to go with a bad/ loose ground.

[@normalguysupercar]

Good theory

[@ndpesicgroup]

Looking forward to seeing what the issue is.....

[@normalguysupercar]

Yeah

[@marksmith5696]

MAF sensor or old fuel filter?

[@normalguysupercar]

Fuel trim issue

[@rodvan-zeller6360]

Can you read fuel trims and mode 6 with global OBD 2 on that vehicle, along with actual Lambda and desired Lambda?

[@normalguysupercar]

I believe so

[@rodvan-zeller6360]

@@normalguysupercar Thank you for the reply. A video showing it would be fun.

[@tg_ny]

bad pressure sensor?

[@normalguysupercar]

Possibly?

[@jayymac]

Did you test each fuel pump for power and pressure at the rails? Wouldn’t have been related to anything you did, but if it sounds like it’s running on one bank and stalling…? Also, not sure if doing a relearn before doing the clutch bleed would cause the shifting codes. And perhaps bleeding the actuator also may help?

[@normalguysupercar]

Worth a try

[@fadorno]

What is involved in "upgrading" to a Scuderia F1 trans and is it worth?

[@normalguysupercar]

It's a completely different transmission, TCU, shift box. I'm not sure it's really feasible

[@fadorno]

@@normalguysupercar Maybe something to look into?? I hear they shift a lot quicker!

[@philipparana9225]

Probsby a short to.gtound in the pcm or coilpack is this 2 ,3 or 4.wire coil.

[@normalguysupercar]

Possibly

[@philipparana9225]

Only other thing I could think of is fuel pump or pump pcm (supply power ) issue ​@@normalguysupercar

[@Wonkaaaify]

When was the clutch last done on this one? Try seeing if you can change the Clutch Position Sensor without removing the entire clutch

[@normalguysupercar]

Clutch is basically brand new.

[@done5423]

Does the F1 360/430 shift better with an anti gravity battery?

[@normalguysupercar]

No it shouldn't really make a difference there.

[@chuckvickrey120]

How about black 430 video. What’s updated on that one

[@normalguysupercar]

Well, we can do a video about the car but it's pretty much all set as far as DIY goes.

[@notnoel8904]

Gonna need Mystery Inc. to figure that out. Could it be the TCU? Curious, what happened to dude that looks like Oliver Platt?

[@normalguysupercar]

I'm not sure who you're referring to

[@notnoel8904]

@@normalguysupercar Adam

[@prt1527]

Hi, for F1 hydraulics, I would strongly suggest ssautotech in the UK. I had a complete actuator rebuild and vital upgrade for 30% of the cost of a new part with the same known design flaws. This is not an ad, just the best buying experience in car parts I ever had.

[@normalguysupercar]

Ah cool

[@mtomiuk8133]

Which would be the better Launch computer model for older Ferraris and Maseratis? There are some chinese fakes going around. Where can one buy a genuine Launch? Thanks!

[@normalguysupercar]

I bought mine on Amazon. I'm not aware of any fakes

[@mtomiuk8133]

@@normalguysupercar Super! Thanks! For Ferraris and Maseratis from the mid-2000s, would you suggest the regular X431 or a higher level model like the X431 Pro3 Ace? I have a minty 2006 Gransport. There is a lightly used but updated Snap-on Zeus system available locally but the guy is asking for $4500 CAD ($3300 USD). This is the top of the line diagnostic system by Snap-on but I am not sure if it is adequate for older Italian exotics and newer supercars.

[@jimjones1505]

Anyone know how to remove engine access panel on a Ferrari 360 ,,not spider ?

[@normalguysupercar]

Yes.

[@AB-80X]

Hey what do you think about the new 12Cililndri?

[@normalguysupercar]

I'm not in love yet. Hate the name.

[@nickaltvater5592]

Can the pump be tested?

[@normalguysupercar]

Yes

[@shawn0fan]

My f430 keeps showing P2189 when idling，have you met this issue before？

[@normalguysupercar]

No

[@barryrodko4202]

I think “down on power” and “seems like it is running on one bank” has nothing to do with the transmission or F1 system. What does the Launch tell you about the engine?😃

[@normalguysupercar]

Agreed, however there are no codes or obvious engine issues.

[@barryrodko4202]

Did I see it stalled or would not stay running while in neutral? Plugged fuel filter/line or bad pump on one bank? I don’t recall if the ECU has the smarts to tell?

[@barryrodko4202]

Or possibly a power issue? Change or try different relays behind the drivers seat. F430s do get weird when the power or ground isn’t connected securely. Maybe redo the power up/ battery replacement procedure?

[@chrisparker4940]

Doesn’t the new pump/accumulator require a bigger relay?

[@normalguysupercar]

No it should be the same relay.

[@chrisparker4940]

I’m pretty sure you go up to a 50 amp relay from 30 amp

[@chenglo8999]

If engine dying is the main issue, not sure if conversion gonna cure it. Following closely.

[@normalguysupercar]

There's more than 1 problem going on

[@MuddyTubMedia]

When in doubt, convert to manual

[@normalguysupercar]

Right?

[@MrGB1999]

Ediff solenoid going bad would be my guess

[@PixelVogue]

Call the main man Josh, he will come with his rubber hose and sort it in no time... 🤣🤣🤣 "You pair of quakers, for quake sake.....amateurs ....."

[@normalguysupercar]

No kidding! LOL! I want to try stuff before defaulting to him and getting a tongue lashing.

[@PixelVogue]

@@normalguysupercar LMAO!!

[@christschool]

I'm going to bet $20,000 that this doesn't solve the issue. Care to take that bet?

[@normalguysupercar]

No.

[@asdfasdfasdfasdeff]

Air in the system.

[@normalguysupercar]

We bled it so that seems unlikely but certainly not ruled out.

[@jayymac]

@@normalguysupercardid you bleed the actuator too? Or just the clutch?

[@vr4966]

Time for a work cart, there has to be one somewhere in the shop 😅

[@normalguysupercar]

Yeah.

[@realbogus]

Ah... the charm of working with bespoke high tech products.

[@normalguysupercar]

Yes indeed. Although it's old tech but still..

[@opethmike]

I can't hear the word 'Bleed' without thinking the Slipknot song

[@garyleibitzke4166]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@normalguysupercar]

LOL nice.

[@opethmike]

@@normalguysupercar I feel like rolling in a convertible Ferrari while blasting old school Slipknot would be AMAZING

[@jasonmascow7686]

That thing sounds like a bank is dead. Hence, the low idle and low power. Use a temp gun on the headers to determine which side is dead. You won't always get a fault right away. I'm a Ferrari tech.

[@normalguysupercar]

Yeah

[@andream2360]

Something wrong with MAF...

[@normalguysupercar]

Probably

[@LTV_inc]

Hey it was made by Italians that drink at lunch. It’s not broken it’s in progress…ciao! 😊

[@normalguysupercar]

True! Lol

[@js3602]

What is really happening is that F430 is communicating with you - it's asking to be converted to a manual in it's own language!

[@normalguysupercar]

Lol

[@haroldmclean3755]

The 430 needs an Exorcism ✝️ 👹

[@normalguysupercar]

Right?

[@WillyBodner]

The issue with installing used parts……. You just don’t know.

[@normalguysupercar]

I don't think that was the problem.

[@hughmann1908]

Sounds like water in the gas 😂

[@normalguysupercar]

Certainly something with the air/fuel is unhappy.

[@Charly_Dont_Surf]

Just find a bigger hammer 🔨

[@normalguysupercar]

Sometimes.

[@adrenaline-auto]

Manual swap it

[@normalguysupercar]

Normally yes

[@theneck5157]

Car manufacturers are scum !!! Because they want the most money out of loyal clients they started using plastic parts even inside the engines. I’m 53 and grew up loving muscle cars and just cars in general and when I would work on old Camaro’s and Vettes and mustangs there were hardly any plastic parts in the engine and engine bay the interior different story but that was so they could sell cars cheaper then Germans and Italians so people would put up with cheap interior as long as the engines were powerful and last a life time fast foward and even merc’s and lambo and Ferrari put more plastic in the engines then metal explain to me how a $200,000 S63 or Audi S8 have plastic timing chain guides or just plastic at all ?? I was told by a an engineer within a top 3 manufacturer that it comes down to making more money on replacement parts and cost of labor on maintenance if the life of a plastic internal part is 3-5 years and the warranty is only good for 3 years they know they will make a killing on the replacement parts out of warranty lol and this is why aftermarket companies sell all metal replacement parts and guarantee them for life literally life … the sad thing is the car manufacturer could just use the better parts and help out there loyal clients but they love ripping us off …. It’s sad and funny how any garage mechanic a man on the weekend used to be able to swap an engine out or a tranny out or change there own brakes or take a fuel filter out and blow through it and put it back in hahaha in 2024 you void the warranty if you change your own oil lol god forbid you need to replace your head gasket lol it would cost you 100$ if you do it yourself but Ferrari or Mercedes will charge you 5-7,000 the part is 25$ but the 700 and hour pay rate for the mechanic is where the money is haha …

[@normalguysupercar]

I suppose so

[@normalguysupercar]

I suppose so

[@christschool]

You think a metal timing chain guide is going to do anything? LOL.

[@BillyBigballs-w9t]

I've said it before, never again. £ for £ one of the worst car manufacturers in the world. Living on a badge. Lots of fun & sexy as f**k, WHEN THEY'RE WORKING! Too much trouble for the money. My 2008 had 3 sets of manifolds (headers) within 28k miles. Not good enough for the outlay. Poor engineering & reliability. All cars have faults, but Ferrari exceeds in this department

[@normalguysupercar]

Ok