What is (generally) Gnosticism

The discussion of conditionalism took James to Irenaeus, which led him off into Sophia and the demiurge and Gnosticism.
Irenaeus's Against Heresies: Book I
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[@hiddenhope7569]

Well done James, one dsy ill get out there and we can brainstorm. God bless

[@angramp3430]

Scary stuff

[@AidenRKrone]

There is indeed a great deal of differences amongst all Gnostic religions, but the one thing that they all share is a radically dualistic perspective on the spiritual realm and the physical world. Early Gnostics believed that the physical universe was created by a malevolent and incompetent Demiurge, which they identified as the god of the Old Testament, and that this demigod was in turn created by the righteous and benevolent God who created the spiritual realm, which they believed to be the god of the New Testament.

[@JesusPPK]

Most people have no clue that James White doesn't own this channel.

[@swolfdab111]

sorry dr. white, i didn't get a clear definition of gnosticism here... just a brief on the contributions of Irenaeus..... is there a resource you can point me to where you explicitly dissect what actual Gnosticism is?

[@t.cjohns740]

He tells you chapter 1 of Irenaeus book against heresies. This is a very complex issue.

[@905JimRaynor]

i don't know if Gnostics view the creator of the earth as evil. Gnostics view the creator of earth as flawed. Gnostics view Jesus Christ as super amazing holy divine.

[@amansvideos7]

???!!?!?!!??!??!?!!???, This doesn't even sound REMOTLY CLOSE to Biblical Christianity. Sophia is Wisdom? Mist God? (Insert Ridicules thing here)?

[@tookie36]

someone read the OT and said "oh yeah the guy killing innocent babies isnt the real god" Christians: well you see...

[@cecilspurlockjr.9421]

Calvinism is a form of knostasism Mr. White..predeterminism...total depravity and so on..look it up some time

[@bastionofthefaith92]

Protestantism is riddled with covert gnosticism

[@edwinnunez7538]

Lmbo a little late buddy he already addressed why it’s not and why that’s slanderous to accuse us of. Not cool at all

[@cecilspurlockjr.9421]

@@edwinnunez7538 never claimed to be cool just correct or I wouldn't say it but I do love you in THE LORD..

[@angelbarajas9180]

@@bastionofthefaith92 Queen of heaven worship is pagan Jeremiah 7:18

[@angelbarajas9180]

Predestination is in the Bible. Ephesians 1

[@asunder6797]

All religions are the same lots of assertion with absolutely no evidence. I guess Invisibility proves everything.

[@jamaalwhite648]

Sounds like atheism. Those who believe that an invisible nothing created something.

[@JesusPPK]

Would you say secularism has more concrete evidence of the world?

[@asunder6797]

@@JesusPPK That would depend on whose eyes we're viewing any system through and the personal motivation behind it. Grand narratives are dying because they promised too much, made it literal and set it into a legal system. Personally I find the concept of concreteness incompatible with the real world. I do think you can separate the mythologies of the world no matter where they emerge and put them in a position of creative notions; hinting at truths without being literal.

[@JesusPPK]

@asunder6797 though religions have similar concepts, the one thing that separates Christianity from the rest is Jesus. Though many claim him to be man, they deny his deity & his resurrection. If these two things aren't true, then as the Bible talks about, the claims are in vain. 1 Corinthians 15:14 ESV And if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is in vain and your faith is in vain. If the lens plays an ultimate factor then we should determine which lens makes the most sense. To look thru them all without a fine toothed comb doesn't allow anyone to plant a flag & it will continue to make relativism flourish. Such brings negative results on a society.

[@asunder6797]

@@JesusPPK It appears you focus on Paul since the resurrection is so important to you. Jesus taught over and over that the commandments were important, Paul's was the resurrection. Paul never met Jesus and so what he knew about him is what he heard from others. The Old Testament actually came from the Hebrew Bible, no heaven, no hell just Sheol a realm of the dead where all people go regardless how they lived no reward and no punishment. A gloomy place where people are mere shadows of their former selves. originally written in Hebrew between 1200 and 100 BCE, with some sections written in Aramaic. The Hebrew Bible itself assumes that the dead are simply dead-that their body lies in the grave, and there is no consciousness, ever again. Most of the world is not Christian and even within its ranks the beliefs are diverse. Look at all the divisions in the church affiliations in America and divisions within the divisions. I assume you don't believe in any other gods as real. We know that people across historical time have invented gods for their own purposes. It poses a question why should your god be the outlier.

[@mynameisnobody3931]

You're one of the bad Christians