What Is Grunge? (Josh Responds To Your Hate and Curiosity)

Hang out with Josh as he rummages through the tattered leftovers of the Grunge 101 episode.
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[@MrLanceDaily]

It turns out the REAL grunge was the friends we met along the way

[@mitchellbruce6256]

Realistically more like the friends we lost

[@BeesWaxMinder]

🥰

[@musicisfree91]

@@mitchellbruce6256 😢

[@yourmom7169]

Grunge is a marketing term... it was music plain and simple

[@DeformedDevices]

Y'all can stop commenting now. This can't be topped.

[@underground_fuzz]

I actually enjoyed the grunge episode and was grateful that the JHS squad put effort it doing these fun videos promoting music, bands, pedals and sounds from a generation. I was excited seeing this episode and it made me happy.

[@ImNotOld_ImVintage]

Same!

[@CMHobbies]

Yep

[@pow3866]

If you are happy was it grunge?

[@ChrisWaigl]

Me, too. Some ppl take their Grunge way too seriously

[@joshuamarshall4632]

Loved the Ep Frankly, my bassist and I loved the deep dive into different grunge sounds ^^ would love you to continue these “birds eye view, capture the spirit” of a genre from Josh’s perspective alongside the more “objective, historical deep dives” that educate and inspire those of us who didn’t live and play guitar during those special historical moments. Everyone at JHS is absolutely on the right track. Keep going, Josh, Nick, Addison, Joshua, the entire JHS fam! keep going.

[@Norm6L6GC]

After enduring a decade of MTV hair bands, it was "refreshing" to hear the music of the early 90s, no matter what you call it.

[@Norm6L6GC]

@@AzathothsAlarmClock Yep... and how clever

[@ileutur6863]

@@AzathothsAlarmClock No not really. Early 00s rock was so weak I almost can't believe it. Even the more alternative and prog bands I liked were making stinkers.

[@stephenmiller5023]

As a 62-1/2 year old now , all I can say is that whole Seattle Scene blew the established rock of the radio at that time right off the airwaves in most of the U.S. I for one , enjoyed the newness and needed to find out more about where all of this newfound music was coming from. I had just moved from San Diego up to North shore of Lake Tahoe & only good rock station was coming out of Reno at that time in ‘91 . Really opened my eyes & ears as to what was just beginning to be a new Era in music . The music was fresh, raw, & in most cases pretty well done considering it was coming from a bunch of 20 something year old kids from “ Nowhere” in America. Sorry that most bands “ Crashed & burned out” only a decade or so afterwards. Lots of talented musicians lost to sudden wealth and fame to only Die of drugs , or suicide. Rest In Peace to all who came & went during this period. Miss that kind of Energy in today’s music. Just my views , take it or leave it …. C-ya👍

[@sub-jec-tiv]

There has always been excellent music in every era, you just have to work at uncovering it (which is fun!). Mainstream music has always been a very mixed bag, in every era 80-90 percent of it is garbage. But some people love garbage, leave them to it and just go your own way and dig for fire! 🕳 🔥

[@CarolMatzPiano]

Would LOVE an STP episode! Totally agree with Josh on how genius their music is.

[@jeffball6656]

I never saw STP as grunge. Or grunge light. STP made some great records and took a lot of garbage in the press. Scott’s issues aside, they made some great music. Purple and Tiny Music…. Are great records!

[@feebypeels2883]

@@jeffball6656 Just a great rock band! I was listening to Core the other day and forgot how much I loved Scott Weiland.

[@2Plus2isChicken2013]

I always liked their sound on Core. Eric Kretz is a very underrated drummer.

[@AllofJudea]

They were like a not quite as talented Zeppelin. And I mean by a small margin. The Deleo bros are monsters!

[@TheRealJanKafka]

@@AllofJudea Have you heard the Trip the Witch record Dean Deleo made with Tom Bukovac?

[@lachlan1971]

Turns out all that grunge era angst never went away, Josh.

[@tylertaylor5490]

Tossing my hat into the ring to say that yes, STP deserves way more love

[@Allysongabriel1]

Here in Brazil, about the year 2000 a scene of post grunge begin to change my city (a little city in Northeast), and that was the time I learned guitar and I make friends out of the school, was the best adolescence someone could have. A friend and me watched your video (the one with the grunge bible) and we laugh a lot, it was very good to listen someone who understands teach how to achieve those timbers we never could in the 2000's. (But it was fun at that time, just like you in your time) I hope young musicians watch your videos and be less frustrated about what means to play guitar or be in a band. At the end of the day, we got to have fun. Your videos are awesome, let the haters hate, they aren't interested in music.

[@ericwarrington6650]

I'm so with nearly everything you've said bro....I'm 48 and watched the whole movement come and go during my hey day and having seen nearly all of the bands mentioned in this discussion...the difference nobody is considering is the shift in CULTURE that transcends the music itself at the time... certainly aspects of grunge still exist today in music so I'm not sure it really ever disappeared as much as it just evolved into something else

[@pauldavid2407]

Totally agree, I’m 46 and right with you on this

[@laurentsaint-laurent3659]

Totally agree.. I was a shy, lonely, borderline autistic 15 years old, "Smells like teen spirit" hit.. a few months later, classmates were talking to me & I started making friends.. So it definitely changed the world around me.

[@alexanderball6326]

I saw an interview with dave grohl and he was talking about the first time he heard Black Hole Sun. How it married the Beatles and Black Sabbath in a way that became the ultimate example of a grunge song

[@wildhorses1339]

josh is literally so naturally funny what a chaotic livestream

[@WhatsUpWhitey]

People who lost it, obviously have no idea who you are, what you are about, and what your passion is for music. I love certain sounds, but there is a healthy balance needed for the pursuit of emulation. Music is art and interpretive. What it means to each of us is unique and should be celebrated in context of our experience. Love your content, rise above any of the hate!

[@ericcarpenter2454]

If anything this proves people are still passionate about grunge (better or worse) and that in itself is AWESOME. The imprint it made on music history is permanent and important.

[@rossbalch]

Honestly I think people just get an endorphins rush from being angry. There are also apparently a lot of humourless people out there.

[@Josh-oi3rq]

Do that STP episode! Completely agree with the sentiment.

[@moodyguru8152]

a gentleman is a man who knows how to play the banjo but refrains from doing so

[@gatchrocks]

STP wasn't really grunge at the time, but got that label because most people only heard Plush on the radio, which many mistook for Pearl Jam when it first appeared on the airwaves.

[@exaltedyeti5847]

To whoever asked about instrumental bands, if you happen to see this: if you like Explosions in the Sky I’d recommend Red Sparowes, Caspian, Grails, MONO, Godspeed! You Black Emperor, Mogwai, Pijn, and maybe Russian Circles.

[@GavinPang]

Checkout The Sleep Design, and If These Trees Could Talk

[@VuotoPneumaNN]

I would recommend Yona-Kit, Painkiller, Ground Zero, ZU, Volcano The Bear and Nihiloxica

[@MicrophonesInTheTrees]

Smashing Pumkins weren't grunge...but if you were a grunger, you were into the Smashing Pumpkins.

[@exaltedyeti5847]

I loved the grunge episode. I don’t listen to it much anymore but still have a huge soft-spot for it being the reason I picked up and learned guitar/bass when I was like 12. My first band ever was in 8th grade and basically we all learned how to play our instruments by just learning every Nirvana song ever written and then eventually just played their riffs backwards and called them originals lol I think your video captured the spirit of grunge, the “find some affordable stuff and go make messy, noisy rock in a garage with your friends,” much more than if it had been “here’s the exact pedal and settings they used, you need this if you want to sound like them.” Great video. I sent it to a few friends I thought would appreciate it too.

[@michaelsnydermusic]

14:32 Josh, Ambient 1-Music for airports is a great album! Huge inspiration to me. I even did an album called “Ambient music for spaceports” Lol. Try out Jonsi and Alex “Riceboy Sleeps”. It’s AMAZING. Jonsi is from Sigur Ros.

[@ScottMcdonaldMusic]

STP are awesome, I agree with your Led Zeppelin comparison. The Deleo brothers are amazing musicians.

[@MarkJohnsonJams]

This^

[@Trentstone121]

I've been comparing STP to Led Zeppelin for years! A bass player no one seems to remember, but is amazing at both bass and piano, an amazing guitarist, a great vocalist who exuded sex appeal, and a true Bonham type of drummer to round them off, they are the ninties Led Zeppelin.

[@rhymeswfamous]

Christmas '91, I was 16, my older brother who had been living in Tacoma, WA gets me 2 cassettes for Christmas. Nirvana-Nevermind and Alice In Chains-Facelift. By summer 92' I picked up the Singles Soundtrack and got into Smashing Pumpkins and Pearl Jam. That soundtrack is 100% Grunge to me, w Hendrix as the Godfather. The one big exception: Paul Westerberg.

[@XskaterzayX]

JOSH JOSH JOSH!! For the people don’t understand the show.. just don’t even worry about them. As a long time fan of the show i totally understand what you guys were doing here. Don’t allow projection of misery to take from your enjoyment of doing what you love on this show !

[@eht6242]

Grunge is such a Gen X genre. We all wanted to be individual while wearing our plaid flannel and each person’s “grunge” would likely be at odds with other’s version of grunge. Great episodes! Thanks so much for sharing!!

[@sagittated]

It is funny how the entire "we are going to wear what we normally wear instead of a costume" then was changed into someone else's costume pretending to be normal dudes.

[@eddykidd]

I don't know about you but I wore my dad's hand me down flannel because it was fuckin cold. that's all. Individuality is in the mind not the clothing.

[@eddykidd]

@@sagittated you have no idea dude. shhhh

[@ryanwiseman9141]

Metal had “uniforms” too, you always end up conforming to not conform. I always think of Lars from Rancid, poster child for punk ascetic. Yet rancid wrote plenty of poppy ass songs. I loved them, but a lot of people get up their own asses about everything. See straight-edge movement, if you need an example. Very hollier than thou, vibe

[@eddykidd]

@@ryanwiseman9141 Rancid is terrible and Lars is a huge poser. We all laughed when they came out. Every kid started wearing a Rancid shirt. What a joke. Operation Ivy was good, Rancid? NO!

[@trevormoffat4054]

Thanks for reading out my spicy comment :) I really enjoyed the first episode, and this episode was a great follow up discussion. This music means a lot to all of us who grew up with it.

[@macsarcule]

Throwing this out there, Josh. Many KZbinrs find reading comments upsetting, and corrosive to their creativity. Some KZbinrs either don’t read any comments or they have someone on their staff who reads them and filters them so only useful or constructive comments are brought back to the creators. Please consider something like this because the comments are understandably upsetting. It’s ok to have someone filter out troll comments. Reading all of them is a sure way to make yourself upset. There’s no need to make yourself upset. Your knowledge of pedals, the music industry, and the history of the music industry is undisputedly awesome. You don’t have to read this stuff or prove yourself, you’re already awesome. You can’t fix or convince everyone, jerks are jerks. Give them attention and they’ll just grow bigger for the attention. You don’t have to feel this frustration.

[@robtoc]

As Steve Martin said on the classic 'Let's Get Small' album. "You can't play a sad song on the banjo! [banjo plays] 'Oh death, and grief, and sorrow...and murder [banjo lick]"

[@wazcooper401]

So I watched this episode last week and ever since have been feeling guilty. Like I know Josh didn’t mean to overlook the Screaming Trees - my comment on the now “infamous” Grunge Bible episode - was a cheeky little joke. For my sins, I have 3 JHS pedals on my board - because, one, the Artificial Blonde and Lucky Cat, combined my Boss Super Chorus helps create some awesome Midnight Oil like tones. Yes, an Australian here. And two, the Clover helps turn my Fender and Marshall combo into a Vox, when I need a “Vox”. Lastly, Josh, how about an episode with Dan from That Pedal Show exploring the sounds of Midnight Oil (Jim Moginie and Martin Rotsey) and other Australian guitarists - so many awesome pedals coming out of the land down under! PS: Josh, your passion for creativity and encouraging creativity is infectious - keep it up mate! 😉

[@fishingnorfolk]

Grunge is, what punk was to music. A expression of identity

[@danpeabody5687]

What nirvana did very well was use dynamics. Clean/ dirty,soft/loud, happy/ sad or angry. It is all a kind of dynamics. The Beatles used it as well as many others. Grunge was a marketing tool to raise the price of thrift store jeans and flannel shirts we all got for Xmas ( and did not want in the 1970’s)

[@tuhankoma]

If anyone wants to know "grunge" as in depth, you can watch the documentary "HYPE" by Doug Pray (1996). That would explain what bands are in it and the timeline, even since the term "grunge" didn't exist yet. It'll tell you the influences of music to it, genres, movements, fashion styles and the paradox behind it. As a generation that grew up in the 90's and outside of US (I'm from Asia). I'm actually very happy if there are questions, curiosity or friction about grunge in this era. Because that's part of the essence of grunge, questioning everything: about individuals, about society, about everything. Big thanks to Josh.

[@TheToneLounge]

It's just plain odd how so many "experts" leave comments on videos claiming they know more than the host. Yet, where are their deeply researched videos so we can all scrutinize their content? You do great work, Josh! I've learned a ton from your channel, cheers!

[@TheToneLounge]

@@stoneysdead689 I have read your comment a few time and can't see how it applies to mine.

[@TheToneLounge]

@@stoneysdead689 you read what you wanted to read. My comment is about people coming into a comment section and ranting about the person doing the video being an idiot, or not knowing what they are talking about. Your comment is about what you like and don't like, and how you interpreted what I said as implying that you need to be a KZbinr to have an opinion about bands. So, we are having two completely different conversations.

[@TheToneLounge]

@@stoneysdead689 lol this was a fun experiment

[@dojofight]

Please do an STP episode. I had a very short lived STP tribute band. If you play guitar, go learn any of their songs on guitar and you learn how incredibly creative the DeLeo brothers are. Insanely underrated. Everyone claimed they ripped from other bands of the time but I think they were focused on themselves and really couldn't be boxed go listen to tiny music from the Vatican gift shop.... That album is like a Beatles album that came out in the 90s. It's punk, it's melodic, rock, song writing. There aren't any bands with that cohesive creativity anymore

[@bingobango4840]

I'm in an STP cover band too, homie. Totally agree with you.

[@NoBrakes23]

They *were* highly derivative, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. Mosaic is a derivative artform. So are Jazz and Hip Hop. I enjoyed STP's mosaic of grunge/alternative.

[@dojofight]

@@NoBrakes23 I know what you mean. Derivative or not, they're very recognizable. They had SONGS. Anytime they come on the radio or a playlist you know it's them. "Creep", "Interstate Love Song", "vasoline", "plush" holy shit Even into their later career songs like "sour girl" and "days of the week" we're top notch.

[@friedrudibega6384]

They took the sound and actually grew musically. I think the first record was just their way in. Great band with underrated everybody.

[@dojofight]

@@friedrudibega6384 100%

[@ufofighter16]

Grunge is an idea that there are no rules when it comes to music, which is why everyone has a specific, intense and deeply solidified belief on what does and doesn't constitute Grunge; a set of 'Grunge Rules', if you will

[@PedalChainsAddiction]

Grunge as a musical movement is a very lovely sentiment. Anyone offended by the episode doesn’t really have grunge in their hearts. Grunge = passion, acceptance, earnestness, adventure and love with a dash of cynicism and skepticism. You could play whatever you wanted, as sloppy as you want, as long as it was good and had passion, to paraphrase Kurt. The episode was a lovely little throwback to the 90’s and I’m here for it anytime.

[@davidtomkins4242]

This is like one of those statements like “real punk music is....”. Grunge is lo-fi, anti-shred-technique, anti-polish/sheen

[@toddyrocks]

i don't like putting rock music in a boxes. As a side note, check out The Scientists featuring Kim Salmon. They were a post-punk band from Perth, Western Australia in the late '70's early 80's. Lots of Grunge guys were influenced by The Scientists !! Here''s an excerpt from the Sydney Morning Herald dated June 11 2021 "Veterans of Seattle’s grunge era, Mudhoney, honed their early sound in the swampy terrain of the Scientists and two decades after The Human Jukebox album was released, it was Mudhoney coaxing the Scientists back out of retirement to play a couple of shows in Europe in 2006."

[@thechief54]

You missed one point: To play Grunge authentic you gotta play a maple neck guitar and elder body. Its all in the wood,not the pedals. Its all about tonewood.

[@bodhisattva3774]

Ignore the haters. Love what you do! ❤️

[@BenjaminTerry]

When I wanna play the bass line to Bush's Comedown, I just play a laid back version of the riff from Bon Jovi's "You Give Love a Bad Name" and call it close enough.

[@unclecrusty9]

"Perfect Pitch" is defined as the sound a Banjo makes when it hits the side of the dumpster.

[@somethingelsedoesmatter]

If I go back, Wipers had a pretty grungy sound and style pretty early. Their influence on Nirvana is pretty clear, and not just because of the covers.

[@Carrissvmf]

I agree the wipers is one of the original grunge movement bands and most people have never heard of them

[@superblondeDotOrg]

16:00 Pearl Jam can be considered a FOLK band because the emphasis was on lyrical content as a story and vocals as a focus, using guitar instrumentation, this is a classic folk styling. Grunge comes from the fusion of Folk and Punk. It is Folk music with heavy instrument distortion (including chorus-pedal distortion) and gritty vocal timbre.

[@PedalChainsAddiction]

Just ordered Pedal Culture. Thanks for the heads up on the book!! I’ll give it a place right next to Pedal Crush. Happy day, indeed!

[@bubbahotep5439]

STP!! Yes, do a whole episode on STP!!

[@alexbawo2975]

Banjo + Grunge = 16 Horsepower (Low Estate or Secret South) - not from Seattle but definitely worth checking And don't worry about the comments Josh, you did a great job as always ❤

[@cornerstonemusic8014]

Heck yes! “Give my conscience a pounding!”

[@JessicaClariceElsener]

So basically, you featured your personal favs from that era, showcased how to get some similar sounds, and snobby nerds took it personally that it wasn't a "Grunge History from A to B". G-d bless you Josh. We are the same age, and while we definitely don't have exact similar tastes in music, we do have alot of crossover. I don't understand where alot of these basement dwellers get the chutzpah to come to your channel to lecture you. They don't realize that it's much more of an indictment to them than it is to you or JHS. Anyways, thank you and the JHS crew for everything you do. Please don't let these petulant people make you second guess what you all do, because it's solid and it's great.

[@timnorris3907]

The grunge episode gets my stamp of approval despite my opinion being entirely unimportant and no one should care. I've not seen a JHS show episode that I didn't think had value. But this video should have been titled "Why does Josh allow the haters to bother him? (Even with a vastly superior, encyclopedic knowledge of guitar pedals, we are all still human and that's ok)". I would have been less disappointed if that question was left unanswered. :D Grateful for everything else that I have learned from ya'll. Keep the chin up and the facts coming and I'll keep pining for my next JHS pedal purchase. I think Muffuletta is at the top of the list... Would be the Twin Twelve if it were still in production!

[@GoodGodFatherGGF]

Presidents of the United Stata were actually an og Seattle grunge band, so yeah, is say they count. They didn't make it big till later, but the members were all part of the scene.

[@Anjuroo]

Grunge flavors still exist heavily in the modern Stoner/Punk/Shoegaze type genres that have a pretty large following amongst the online/local scenes.

[@XXIII_89]

Mudhoney in the record time was enough! I went and listened to superfuzzbigmuff, and loved it!!

[@mileswatkinson8135]

As the description you read about Grunge being light to heavy shifts and such is true, does that make Led Zeppelin Grunge? I love your show, this episode reminds me of those terrible letters to the editor pages in the old guitar magazines. Keep it up JHS, best content on KZbin.

[@jhspedals]

🖤🙏🏼🖤🙏🏼🖤

[@aorsoul...7532]

What is Grunge? I think we have the answer now. It's all kinds of things to all kinds of people. I wasn't a fan at the time, but I've played songs by many of the bands mentioned for cover sets. The original video was really useful for getting close enough for some key tones. Thanks for the tips. This was a great way to address opinions and ideas, though I wish some comments were less confrontational. Some comments seem to have wanted or expected a different video, and were mad at this one for not being it. I have little interest in Grunge, but I watched the video because they're always entertaining and I learn useful and interesting stuff. Keep up the good work, Guys!

[@ncd1967]

Side note, my mom always called most of this music Dirge Rock, which I always liked

[@al271987]

I always thought grunge was a bit of a catch-all term for the breakthrough wave of underground/alternative that finally surged into popularity in the early 90’s. You have bands that did punk, metal, rock, more of 80’s indie stuff, all that. Like what was said, more of a movement than any specific, tangible style or genre.

[@ImNotOld_ImVintage]

Josh jumped into the only thing GenX truly cares about. It seems we are a generation that doesn't care if we are forgotten, but don't you dare forget about *insert favorite band here*. Even Ken burns would end up adding someone we would disagree with, and likely forget one or two that some would consider seminal. To keep with a theme, Alice in Chains is my favorite band of the era, but what I have found is that everyone disagrees on whether they are or aren't grunge. The funny thing is, that I don't care what you call them, as long as you know of them. You can even hate them, and I am okay with it. As a child of the northwest, I think I agree with the comment you read that it's an asthetic. I am not a gatekeeper. Grunge is more than just the music.

[@TemporallyYours]

always appreciate you putting out videos the same length as i need to cook something in the oven for. Right on!

[@edwardyazinski3858]

Tom Waits was the Grungiest long, long ago! Dig those Marc Ribot solos.

[@sea-ferring]

Grunge was a fashion movement just like punk and goth. So so funny how invested people are in this terminology.

[@danpeabody5687]

I was born in Seattle in 1961. I lived in Belltown kind of Denny regrade where a lot of folks hung out for every band you heard of that were 10 bands you never heard of that were so many bands coming around at that time of the band scene in Seattle versus very incestuous, people would be in multiple bands. Another one band morphed into another.

[@dlcrzrc]

This whole rant just makes me want to hear Vitalogy over and over :)

[@jasonnn2284]

I did agree with a Green River mention. BUT, I don't think that Pixies need to be mentioned just b/c Kurt loved them. I'm not even sure if I would have ever described Alice In Chains as grunge, just b/c they're a bit more metal than the other bands. But I don't care if people call them grunge. Thanks buddy, I love all the grunge talk, I love most of these bands still.

[@redbud815]

I graduated high school in 1991. Grunge to me is plain and simple Nirvana. Keep in mind I grew up in the midwest. However, I don't see grunge as a music genre. I see it more as a life style per se. Let me explain. Most of us would agree Melvins and the Pixies both influenced Nirvana. Now how many of us would call Melvins or Pixies grunge? When Nirvana broke the scene with Nevermind we have to keep in mind what was popular at the time. It was guys with puffed up hair sprayed in place, wearing make up, and wearing flashy clothes. Then bands like Nrivana come in with a complete different clothing style. Not caring about their hair. The complete opposite of what was popular at the time. That's why I thought it was referred to as grunge. Sure there was musical difference as well. Such as use of simplier riffs and less extravegant solos. Nonetheless, they created songs that will live on for generations to come no matter what genre you wish to label is as. To circle back to the Melvins, let's look at a different example and see if you would put the artists in the same genre. Who were a big influence to Page and Zepplein? Influejnced by lots of blues eh but who puts Led Zeppelin in blues genre. What about Elvis? How about the Doors? The man himself, Hendrix? We can do this all day. My point simply being every artist/band any of us have grown to admire and love has been influenced and inspired by someone. They have taken that inspiration and created something of their own. Label it as you see fit. TDRL: grunge isn't a music genre but a lifestyle per se

[@fkcamry88]

The only thing I disagree with is any mention of SP regarding grunge.

[@mygirlfriendismean]

Music for Airports reference. I’m now a fan for life.

[@stevevender1154]

I can’t even believe this was necessary. I enjoyed the original episode in the spirit that it was intended. I enjoy your videos and sense of humor and I look forward to the next episode.

[@thevaultedskies]

Maaan, that Grunge 101 episode was my absolutely favourite!

[@michaelx9079]

Reading Festival 1992 ....peak grunge

[@SD_Marc]

Oh, the guy that said Andrew Wood was in Mookie Blaylock is mistaken. Mookie Blaylock we're straight up Pearl Jam, until they changed their name. Andrew Wood's death was why the MLB guys became PJ...

[@ericblaisdell7987]

Grunge is but a fleeting illusion to be pursued but never obtained.

[@markstowe9011]

Josh: “So what IS grunge?” HE SAID THE TITLE IN THE EPISODE!!!

[@damianvila]

I needed to look for this, because this is what gave me an idea of what was going on in Seattle at the time: just look for "1992 Seattle Scene Special" and "VH1 News Special: Grunge" here on KZbin. Those are the programs I watched back in 1992, that basically tells the story of what happened there.

[@mattwesthaver6909]

I just want to add that stadium arcadium is another great lawn-mowing album

[@19mikal79]

Possibly the book is guilty of trying to bring grunge to the masses, like you did with the video. Flavor to taste 😋, cant please everyone all the time. Much love JHS keep killing it!

[@thisismrjesse]

I am going to full on “Leave Brittany alone!!!” in defense of Josh Scott. Josh, you inspire me in music, and I’m brand identity. Your drive for radical collaboration is amazing and if you have a hot take on grunge, these humans will get over it

[@vikingbluesbreaker729]

The best part of this is that we had the same arguments when i was in my teens. Grunge lovers arguing with other grunge lovers which band is grunge and which is not. I will say, rock bands did grunge songs, grunge bands did rock songs.. stone temple pilots tripping on a whole in a paper heart was pretty grunge, and they had a handful of others.

[@maxholliday5097]

You can’t lose the irony though, about how hard you were being on the Grunge Bible and how angry you were at it for not defining grunge by your terms, and then the fans turning around and doing it to you. I’m not being snarky, it just is ironic that you were just as frustrated with the book as the commenters are with you lol.

[@Toology88]

I see most of this music as "alternative" and really look at the Seattle scene in particular as "Grunge" and being a sub-category of alternative.

[@patogli]

First of all, I totally enjoyed the episode and it was great to see you recreating the sound with what you have at hand (even if it was a "Shameless Plug") Next time place one of those music posters that has every other band from the genre with all of their influences and point out that you are running a fortune wheel secretly (nobody in all JHS has access to said fortune wheel and that the results are being relayed by an encrypted email that doesn't allow you to pinpoint or know who is behind it... it may even be Kurt and Chris playing games on all of us) so you will only be able to play three or four examples, but you are entirely out of control about what comes out and that all the show is based on fate... your fate, or the fate of the universe and that we are all cosmic beings united by sound

[@byrdmanalb88]

I liked the almost drain you cover where the boys were acting goofy in the edits better

[@PetefromSouthOz]

Hey Josh I thought the Grunge vid was great. The Sonic Youth reference/take was spot on. Right from the start it was clear what was going on, it was the usual mix of tongue in cheek and education. Anyone that is a regular watcher of the JHS Pedal show gets it as well. As far as the comments, as I am 66, they are hilarious. A big part of my life (from about 1968) has been spent listening to, and for a very brief time emersed in, a lot of the major shifts in "Rock" Music. Given that, what was/is labelled as "Grunge" was another in a long line of "Rock" music and demonstrates a Musical Adjacent Possible. Just to add some time perspective The Stooges are clearly part of the "Grunge" influence, but I never got to see them I was too young. However I did see these fellow Brisvegas chaps play live a few times and well nothing is new to me, 1977 kzbin.info/www/bejne/jma8gZKqqLWto8k For me Grunge is not a Genre but a media label attached to a reaction to a social situation and the musical styles around at the time. I'd be surprised if anyone actually playing in those bands described themselves as "Grunge", in the same way anyone back in the mid to late 70's called themselves a "Punk" band. I reckon anyone looking for Musical Genre History type vids check out Trash Theory, here's their take on Grunge kzbin.info/www/bejne/jaa3imtmarKtgMU

[@recklesstoboggan]

What is grunge? Baby, don't hurt me Don't hurt me, no more What is grunge?

[@slangdoll]

I'm down that the comments seemed to really bring you down. I loved the video and the JHS show is one of my top KZbin channels, my favourite music channel for sure! The 2 JHS Pedals I have are my favoutire (Unicorn & Morning Glory)... not sure what my 3rd might be... looking at the PNP.

[@spacelab7135]

I graduated HS in 95, and witnessed the pop shift from the spin doctors, poison and great white to Nirvana and Primus etc. Like others had said, it was alternative rock the industry labeled on the shelves, but grunge was a nickname that came from describing the bands popular on college rock statiions prior to MTV, many with heavy saturation of dirty or gainy tone: fuzz, distortion and OD but I don't have to explain that on a pedal page right? Anyway, punk and post punk bands and anything else that existed outside of the industrys previous scope and didn't previously have a place on the record store shelves was haphazardly labeled grunge and alt rock alike. I remember an MTV news spot on the controversial monicker within the lolapalooza community laughing over "grunge" as a descriptor after a few years living as " alt. Rock" when the Beastie boys were being labeled as Grunge post check your head ie the Maestro and Time for livin. It was the fuzz pedals responsible for the name but people mistook it for the thrift store fashionistas, totally. That's how I remeber it anyway.

[@thesquigglespin]

Love the stuff, vids, jams, and quirkiness of it all. You should do another vid on the content that means most to you but dedicate it to all the unmentioned. Capped by a warble Steve Miller-esk jam called, "To all the things I've yet to ignore."

[@KorayOzkal]

Josh, please ignore all the negative comments! Unfortunatelly, some people just live and breathe to be negative and criticize people who have actually accomplished something with their lives. That’s the only way they feel good about themselves. That was a great episode, you have an amazing show and your channel has the best educational value right next to Rick Beato. You are running a business here, of course you will promote your pedals. I love Grunge and that was a great episode. And you know what- please make a follow up episode, maybe band specific ones. We need more Grunge in our lives!!

[@jeremiahferguson1022]

This comment sections needs to have some Dulcolax and lay down for the night. Take off that Lollapalooza 92’ shirt first though, because you know it doesn’t fit anymore. P.s. Schedule that prostate exam soon. It’s time.

[@johngraves2185]

Holly crap, it’s like someone released the crazies on that episode? I had fun watching that episode ( and this one too) and enjoyed the jams. Josh, just keep being your awesome self and keep making great content! Cheers my friend!

[@MarkJohnsonJams]

Totally agree with you on STP. It’s sad Scott Weiland couldn’t maintain b/c they were indeed amazing. Saw them a few times in their prime and there was no one better live. And their albums were just art.

[@jamesburge1983]

Aw stumbling backwards in to a conversation about self perception and identity politics (via musical preference) while mistakingly thinking it was about music. The Joy of Grunge.

[@Parariddle]

Firstly sir Better man is an amazing Rock song....one of my faves lol Great retort episode. But please don't let the weight of many people's opinions deter the creative output you are putting out. Love you guys.

[@wredericko6668]

I really liked your grunge bible episode and i also enjoyed this one. Learned about some cool bands here that i didn't know before!

[@creativeheadroom]

Hey Josh, regarding the "SoUnDgArDeN dIdN't UsE jHs PeDaLs" comments: with the fame of these older pedals sometimes making cheap gear become ridiculously expensive, I actually appreciate the fact that you used cheaper alternatives. Also, ultimately you're running a pedal company. Of course you show off your own gear. I'd do the same thing if I were you. I actually want to expand my pedal collection, but want to start with cheap stuff. BOSS and Behringer were definitely high on the list already, but I think it's time to add JHS Pedals to that list. Tinkering with pedals and effects is fun, so I should really get some more! ;-)

[@psneary88]

I love ya Josh. Totally up to early for this episode you are. I didnt catch the previous episode to this, however missing alice is an atrocity (only because I looooove alice) aside from that, I just love your vids and wanna jump on the fun! Keep it goin friend!

[@BlareWolfgang]

Josh should ignore the hate and just focus on doing more deep dives that he has fun doing. I got a lot out of the grunge episode and I’m not a kid lol, just missed the boat when it was around and the pedal demo helped bring some music to light I might not have listened to otherwise

[@nicktaber2969]

You really should do a whole episode on Smashing Pumpkins because their use of pedals is legendary.

[@Brucewayne-tj7kj]

Nice banjo playing You need a pedal that could do it for you ;) Thanks for all the great shows, funny and lovely take care

[@Unusualsuspect24]

“All it takes for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing.” Thanks for fighting the good fight Josh; no thanks to Joe bonamassa for bailing :/

[@menthel77]

Banjo, bicycles and grunge??? Heaven!

[@bigted1953]

Grunge occurs when after 4 days of mowing lawn, working on the car, not bathing , having problems in the bathroom, and sleeping in my clothes... It doesnt smell good and if it goes on too long it can even be painful. Its either that or the purplish stomp box -Its your choice.