What is Happening to The Internet Archive?

[@carlm1595]

The loss of IA would be as tragic as the burning of the Library at Alexandra. The internet is so ephemeral. Todays papers cite URLs. After a few years, those links no longer work. It galls me that companies that own the copyright steadily refuse to offer other agencies access while never intending to ever sell or distribute that material again. The original creators will never see another cent and even worse there name and creation will be lost to obscurity.

[@YourCapyFrenBigly_3DPipes1999]

I thought the same.

[@NudeSophist]

I think it would actually be worse, just because of the scale of it.

[@stevenschnepp576]

Far worse; by the time the Great Library was finally destroyed, it was practically empty and its contents had been redistributed around the region.

[@dh2032]

@@stevenschnepp576 form what was told mostly as an alternative to fire wood, a lot went heating bath houses, swimming pools, (or what ever there where called locally) Arab, crusading, it wasn't just the west that was religion, all over the place? Arab, crusaders where very picky, on what you could have as in the form books arts, cultures etc. mostly nothing, was permited, and if it was not bless by be okay be there holy scriptures, the holy books didn't even escape the purge only the most new versiosn could survive, the destruction, they did take a lot of the science, medical texts, and why-men(persons) as some sort spoils of war? back to there homelands?

[@scottandrewhutchins]

Sinister Cinema made similar arguments when Sonny Bono advanced the Copyright Term Extension Act, which was mainly because Disney thought that they could prevent Disney porn. Disney didn't rush to extend copyright, and works have begun falling into the public domain again because they knew they couldn't stop people from making Disney porn even though it's still not legal.

[@TheDigitalApple]

I really hope Internet Archive isn’t deleted as many pieces of recovered lost media could become lost once again, a nightmare for every media preservationist!

[@loganmiller7827]

People should probably download some stuff from it just to be safe

[@shepardpower]

@@LegoMastery Internet Archive also runs the Wayback machine

[@wiltamsfam]

​@@DasArchiv objectively wrong

[@ZilRockbottom]

@@DasArchiv Ah, yes, we should destroy millions of important documents and files because YOU fucked up and lost access to your account. I'd be glad if every self-centered person in the world took a long walk off a short pier.

[@SkeevyDaniel]

@@DasArchiv No one has the right to decide whether or not something of theirs is archived, you sign that right away the second you make something public. If people had control over what of theirs is archived history books would be less than ten pages. I highly recommend you drop this contrarian attitude, your life will be better for it.

[@cliffhansen7789]

As a researcher, Internet Archive is essential. There are so many books that it's the only realistic way to get access to. Just as importantly, the Wayback Machine is absolutely essential to the preservation of data and culture.

[@Willowposting]

Publishers and corporations don't give a shit as long as they're able to make massive profit margins.

[@BBC600]

Lots of out of print stuff.

[@njdotson]

Yeah I actually needed it in a case I was researching for school and links were broken. I actually thought it was interesting seeing a website like it was many years ago

[@BBC600]

@@njdotson Yes, many of my online school assignments contain outdated links.

[@sihamhamda47]

​@@Willowposting In general, any copyrighted content are moved to public domain after 100 years, but in reality most (if not all) companies will remove them from everywhere well before the expiration date to prevent anyone to copy their content

[@sarahkatherine8458]

Copyright law is one of the reason we lose knowledge (in media form). I still remember in 2014 I found some good thesis on the internet (full paper). A few years later I lost the file, and when I go look for it again the account that shared the file had been deleted due to copyright violation. I never found those thesis anywhere anymore. The physical paper may still exist in a random library somewhere, but I never found anything about where it is.

[@blaa6]

Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it. Not preserving the past will screw over our future.

[@alexiskuwata]

Yeah. :(

[@darkdest6664]

library of Alexandrea. Also you know who else liked book burnings... Hitler :) hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm kinda sus if u ask me.

[@metrab8901]

no it will allow people to be transformed by indoctrinating them into a new past and thus a new future, your thinking is small, think like the elites do my friend

[@lssjgaming1599]

Corporations don't give a shit about the long term future, they only care about short term profit and will destroy those who get in their way because of evil Capitalism

[@gracefulgrizzly39]

Yeah finding that lost Sesame Street episode is going to stop WWIII

[@isosthenie8271]

The internet archive is so incredibly helpful. It would be crazy to have to take it down. Dont kill the last remnants of the free internet.

[@nightmarerex2035]

new world order is on its way peaople dont standup google wont stand up thistime as they are now evil.

[@cynical5062]

They're killing freedom everywhere. Media preservation, free/libre software, and so on. It's honestly scary to wonder what the future will be like with events like these happening.

[@doomcold]

We will win this they may have won the battle but not the war

[@HusseinDoha]

​@@doomcold Don't steal

[@barbados3592]

if you allow them to do this, then you allow everyone to do it. If that is what you want, so be it. Understand what you are asking for tho, and that there will be consequences either way

[@Lifesizemortal]

copyright laws have been abused to the point of self-destruction

[@sludgefactory241]

Exactly well put and precise

[@SomeDude0881]

The thing is. The IA knew they were violating copyright law and stated so. Other people working for the IA did not agree with him. He’s just a shitheel that wants attention and seems hellbent on sinking the site. The biggest danger to IA is Brewster. He’s not mentally stable

[@mattgottesmann3514]

Corporations have perverted what should have protected the creators. Transfer of the rights shouldn't benefit others or halted.

[@Wilker_uwu]

copyright law is working as intended. it is much about right to copy as Digital Rights Management is about digital rights (it's not).

[@satsu3098]

copyright holders would rather destroy and erase works because they didnt get paid than have anyone see it. If the moon was under copyright the earth wouldve drowned long ago from someone trying to look at it for free and the resulting legal battle

[@ixiahj]

Archives like these are generational memory. Its so easy to change dates and names in history by people who have an agenda if archives like these don't exist.

[@CarlyCatharsis]

I GUARANTEE They're Gonna Go After: #ProjectGuttenberg Within The Next Two Years!!

[@D-G1N-R8]

@@CarlyCatharsis

[@CarlyCatharsis]

@@D-G1N-R8

[@CarlyCatharsis]

@@D-G1N-R8 Do YOU NOT Know How To Copy & Paste... Or Have YOU Eaten The Paste?

[@D-G1N-R8]

@@CarlyCatharsis Then have something original to say or go join the 54 percent of your "kind".

[@dena81]

The internet archive is honestly a necessity. With how fickle the internet is, we've seen pages closed constantly. This really is historic and should be protected

[@notsocrates9529]

It is so frustrating when I find an interesting article on wikipedia that has a bunch of broken links that are not archived. The news sites scrub everything it seems after a few months. Remember when the internet was "forever"? I cannot believe this is happening, but I suppose it was too good to be true, thinking the govt would allow such liberty online. After OWS, the Arab Spring, and 2016 election, they will never let us have it back. RIP internet.

[@CarlyCatharsis]

I GUARANTEE They're Gonna Go After: #ProjectGuttenberg Within The Next Two Years!!

[@M33f3r]

The uniparty has to have control of all information and things like IA let us little people have the ability to check their lies.

[@SmallGuyonTop]

The Way Back Machine is a blatant breech of copyright laws.

[@Average_Yuri_Enjoyer]

@@SmallGuyonTop why?

[@davetaylor9057]

The publishers behind this lawsuit should be asked questions about the thousands (millions?) of titles they hold copyright on but don't print for sale. Many books have been out of print for a decade or more. A large number of public libraries are reducing their collections due to space and money constraints. The IA fills a genuine need ensuring that books of all ages and topics remain accessible to readers who wish to read them.

[@r.a.6382]

So what you are saying is: Racketeering charges designed to profit off of an artificial scarcity in the secondary market, essentially coopting government for private interests.

[@jnagarya519]

Why doesn't the Archive negotiate deals with publishers, instead of after-the-fact coming up with bogus defenses.

[@seraphcreed840]

​@@jnagarya519why do corporations cut corners and steal wages while also enforcing dumb policies and concepts like "time theft?" Maybe cause capitalism is an easily abused system with how its currently governed.

[@reillythomas1280]

@@seraphcreed840 This has absolutely nothing to do with what Nagarya's question, but nice attempt to deflect.

[@jnagarya519]

@@seraphcreed840 How is that related to copyright?

[@TheYoungsterGangster]

They better not get rid of the Internet Archive, it would be a modern day burning of the Library of Alexandria.

[@jefelix2010]

That'll be a horrific tragedy if it does happen

[@medaman15able]

NO, LIKE, LITERALLY!

[@DrBagPhD]

Yup, it's obscene.

[@pubertdefrog]

Couldn’t somebody plan ahead and just save it on a hard drive? I imagine you would need a large amt of data to do so, but I’m pretty sure there are hard drives powerful enough to do so

[@icutmyownhairs]

@@pubertdefrog you'd need well over 120 *petabytes* of storage space. it would cost many millions of dollars to get enough storage space to download the entire internet archive.

[@captainalieth]

The internet Archive and Waybackmachine have been an absolute lifesaver for students, as well as preserving numerous lost media. If there's a copyright problem with some of the material on it, than just ask them to get rid of it. No need to shut it all down. Shame if it gets closed.

[@MadScientist267]

Lol they're the same thing 🤦‍♂️🤣

[@PickleRicksFATASSCOUSIN]

@@MadScientist267 and? what's your point?

[@MadScientist267]

@@PickleRicksFATASSCOUSIN That both your bus and the OPs are so short they run backwards. Siddown Forrest Gimp

[@alphygaytor1477]

@@MadScientist267 nice epic clapback! keep making fun of people with intellectual disabilities, it makes you look really smart and cool.

[@MadScientist267]

@@alphygaytor1477 I'll just assume you're sitting next to him

[@ScorpionRanchTX]

The archive and wayback machine are incredibly important in fighting malicious content revisions.

[@majestichotwings6974]

Agreed, without it, how many times would the “Authoritative source” have gotten away with blatantly lying and gaslighting us into thinking we were the one who were in the wrong

[@openmicdiscussions5397]

This is why the powers that be want it gone.

[@mikeexits]

Yup, they have been rewriting history in their own sneaky ways for a long time, but they want more and more and MORE AND MORE power and control, and the ability to apply it anywhere on a whim. I hope IA gets better lawyers. Think there was foul play afoot? At the risk of sounding too tinfoil-hat-y, I hope they're not being sabatoged and set up to fail somehow. It's happened before, no? I'm not jumping to conclusions, just very concerned and suspicious about this whole thing. I'm sure if the publishing mafia could they would absolutely rig the case. With connections you can do some truly devious shit to your "competition". And you can bet on the mainstream media publishing mafia to have connections galore. I don't even want to know how deep that shit actually runs lol.

[@fido9745]

thats right!

[@marillion4th393]

Bulls eye!!! Your hability to see the tree despite the forest is evident. 👍

[@OktoPutsch]

The Internet Archive is typically THE kind of project that should be running on a distributed model on a P2P network across ALL the internets. They truely have the original Internet goal spirit.All nations should participate.

[@leechowning2712]

Archive and Project Gutenberg have been working for years to roll back the serious overreach of the modern copywrite law... as sponsored by Disney et al. The fact that it is now a century or author plus 50 for copywrite is crazy.

[@OktoPutsch]

@@leechowning2712 Yeah, I agree, i remember some people talking about this in Linux/Free Software dedicated newspapers in France, 20 years ago. Disney worked a lot on this through lobbying, just to keep exploiting their early productions which are still popular works, it's really the most griddy company ever seen...

[@leechowning2712]

@@OktoPutsch Project Gutenberg has big drives you can buy with ALL their present works... and it will update when connected to the internet. If I could afford it, would get a pair. One to keep updated, and one stored offline so works cannot be deleted.

[@OktoPutsch]

@@leechowning2712 I didn't know about that, thanks for the info, actually I'm on 4G with quotas, but one day i'll get back with an FTTH line, i'll get my servers back and try to participate too.

[@leechowning2712]

@@OktoPutsch I have about 10k of the books backed up, especially the historical culture books. Since all I have is my phone, I have filled it about half just with epubs... Which are much lighter than pdf.

[@aymala9906]

This isn't just a nightmare for media preservationists, the Internet Archive is important for researchers and historians too. IA is documenting the internet like no other organization, and offering open access to it's archive. This lawsuit is undermining the archive's role of documenting and compiling the history of the internet, which is an affront to History itself ! Imagine all those bits of information lost and erased from memory forever...

[@perplacymp]

From the view of member of a library sector that, as such, did close itself it is not at all uplifting where I have gone and how much money I have spent to piece together "minor writers" like Lucie Hörlyck, Heinrich von Buchwald, "Gamle Nielsen" or Mathias Winther, who should have been in gold printed editions for decades.

[@LoveNeverFails81818]

100% political persecution. This lawsuit is occurring at the same time the most insane presidential regime in modern America history is in power: the totally compromised, totally corrupt Joseph R Biden regime.

[@NicoleWilliams-pk9jr]

Indeed it is. I am a PhD student in History. The number of books held by the archive that copyright no longer applies to that I have been able to access (including a ton of books on the Southern theatre of the American Revolution and early America) have been incredibly valuable to my research.

[@seventh-hydra]

​@Indigo Rodent How is it any different from a library? Hell, colleges have a similar system. But I guess you wouldn't know lmao

[@pressureworks]

The lawsuit only covers books.

[@SylveonTrapito]

It's incredible how copyright laws only wants to protect company business and does nothing for preservation.

[@RobMacKendrick]

As a writer, I assure you that the publishing industry is the single greatest reason we're struggling. It does not -- that word again: not -- defend writers or our rights in any sense. It's because we have to sign our rights away to them to make the pittance they allow us that they're such copyright werewolves. The money is THEIRS. It was never ours, and services like the Internet Archive help us vastly more than any rational argument that could be made that they hurt us. The fact that so many writers are so easily led to join in on this kind of copyright trolling is deeply embarrassing. Fellow writers: read a goddam book.

[@KuroSy]

Ok so let's pretend that digital copy distribution was lawful and that big editors don't exist. How could a writer (who wants to live on their books income, so not a hobbist just to be clear) actually manage to be compensated enough to make a living out of it? If anyone could buy just one copy of their book and make infinite digital copies to give away, how can that writer actually manage to turn his efforts into a living? I'm genuinely asking since you're in the right field.

[@ЕвгенийБагрянов-н9э]

+1

[@cjay2]

It's simple. The powers that be don't want this material available anymore to the public. Their excuses are meaningless. As usual. They want power and control.

[@KRAFTWERK2K6]

It's the same with the Music industry. These Mofos are GATEKEEPERS who don't even wanna have anything to do with the actual content creators. They just don't want their position of power and influence challenged or risked.

[@KuroSy]

But none of you actually answered my question. How does a writer susain themselves if no copyright is protected?

[@JamesLehartProductions]

Internet Archive CANNOT DIE!! It helped me out massively when I had to take PayPal to court because they said I violated their AUP terms.... They changed their terms AFTER I used their service and AFTER they withheld my money to say you cannot earn money for live streaming. The wayback machines thankfully proved that the day I signed up for their service there was ZERO mention of this in their AUP and I won the case. The wayback machine helps to maintain accountability, you cannot just post something and delete it because it will have been crawled

[@doomguy584]

That's probably why they are fighting to get rid of it no dissent is allowed in the new world order

[@sagnikchatterjee8203]

Did u win?

[@JamesLehartProductions]

@@sagnikchatterjee8203 yes

[@android584]

Glad PayPal don't get away with all their theft.

[@RayleighCriterion]

You could have asked for those AUP during discovery.

[@moxy6216]

The internet archive literally preserves more things than most other places and the best part is they can't be destroyed physically like multiple other examples of preserved media that now has become lost

[@cegweggy4067]

Well actually they can be destroyed if you destroy their physical server counterpart

[@moxy6216]

@@cegweggy4067 true but multiple people now have copies of multiple versions of found media now so if it ever disappears it's not truly lost

[@Tao_Tology]

The IA also lets you store 'snapshots' of websites. Not only does this provide a source for historical study of out 'internet age' but it also means a record can be kept of sites, tweets, blogs etc that the creator/writer * cough * politicians * cough * later tries to delete and pretend they didn't say.

[@paonippobemduro]

@@moxy6216 Yep, to be fair, everything that is on internet archive is also storaged by a lot of people. If internet archive ever dies, i bet it's simply going to be replaced.

[@DxDeksor]

@@paonippobemduro for the web pages themselves I highly doubt it. There are far too many snapshots of too many sites. I've seen some sites that were so obscure that I doubt anyone browsed them except me. If the web archive is gone, a lot of its content will be gone forever.

[@Hugh7777]

I have always had a problem with the whole notion of intellectual property and hence with copyright. Yes, creators should be rewarded for their intellectual labours, but civilization has progressed by the free transmission of ideas. This is the underlying dilemma that needs to be resolved. The IA is immensely valuable to humanity. It must not be allowed to die for the sake of publishers' profits.

[@billkeithchannel]

The original intent was once the author died the work became public domain. The creation of the corporate estate thwarted all that. The person is dead but their estate lives on.

[@emilyscloset2648]

​@@billkeithchannelGreed thwarted that

[@albertsmedley3636]

@@billkeithchannel This is one of those issues where I'm glad there are people who are smarter than I and are parsing the problem more intelligently than I could. On the one hand, I think for humanity it makes sense to remove copyright protection when the owner dies. Then society can profit from the work. That seems to make sense. On the other hand, if the artist (writer, film maker or whatever) while in college decides to spend his life building a real estate empire, he can pass that down to his family in perpetuity. And that makes sense. If my father builds a great company, I should inherit it along with its riches. But I can't inherit the profits from the books he may have written. On an tangential subject , the slacker children of the real estate magnate who have done nothing and created nothing live a life of ridiculous, expensive luxury while the workers just slave on. I'm a capitalist and don't know of a better way to do it, but that doesn't seem right either. But if their father was a film maker, they get nothing. It's a wrinkled problem.

[@MikehMike01]

@@billkeithchannel Mickey Mouse will never go public domain, they’ll keep extending it

[@JohnDlugosz]

@@MikehMike01 No, they've stopped fighting that. Now they're laying the groundwork to protect the early Micky Mouse under trademark.

[@latt.qcd9221]

The Wayback Machine is what prevents every record being destroyed or falsified, every book being rewritten, every picture being repainted, and every date being altered.

[@llkg9]

Basically, it puts Winston out of a job.

[@Hadeshy]

"Internet archives is hurting small author who are struggling" They say as the biggest editors take it to court. I'm sure they're doing it for the struggling authors.

[@android584]

IA must have pissed off too many corporates.

[@Myshob1]

The same bullshit argument used when YT removed dislikes...

[@as-1982]

@@indigorodent4444 They want to earn money from their works. Would you not?

[@jamessan3404]

​@@as-1982 then show you can make good book, and make someone commission another one or make it a fundraising. You do know it's how stuff worked until we had copyright and it worked much better

[@nikolaievans2432]

@Indigo Rodent yeah maybe its beacause they have to feed their families as well

[@NathanSpies]

The internet archive can’t die, we need it! It’s a shame copyright is always the villain when it comes to the preservation of media

[@poweradereal]

its a shame that copyright law exclusively benefits media conglomerates and not the artists who need copyright protection

[@troykv96]

@@poweradereal Yeah, and this makes more absurd they're using artists as the ones damaged instead of talking about the pennies the corporations "lose", because they're the only ones affected by the IA being a thing.

[@poweradereal]

@@DasArchiv what does this comment mean

[@poweradereal]

@@DasArchiv no you cant write

[@PLYR1]

They brought it on themselves. They were already skirting the law by loaning books 1:1 when they didn't have permissions of a "real" library. But they weren't being sued. It wasn't until they totally flaunted the law and offered "Unlimited Loans" on copyrighted material that the lawsuit slammed them. I don't understand why they did such a crazy move. Such a precious thing and they threw it away on bad judgement.

[@BaronOfDaker]

For anyone wondering, Neil Gaiman was NOT tweeting that at the Internet Archive, he was tweeting it at the authors of the article. He supports the Archive.

[@ZolaClyde]

Thanks, I was wondering about that. :)

[@labibrashidinan9868]

Phew

[@PeasMinister]

Common Gaiman W

[@theadaptationstationmaster]

I used to love discovering old books that nobody heard of at the local library. But to make way room for the new books being published, books like that are exactly the ones that get discarded. The Internet Archive is the closest I can get to still finding them.

[@Julia_USMidwest]

Yes, well said. Our local libraries cull out old books that are no longer popular.

[@dust.runner]

Yeah. Public libraries can't physically keep up with the materials of the past present and future all at once, even if physical books didn't eventually become too damaged to read...

[@JillKnapp]

I think about this all the time. I even take it one step further: As time marches on, history books will have to start leaving old things out because it has to fit into a school-year curriculum. Do we not teach about the Great Depression so we can make room for [fill in the blank]?

[@barbados3592]

the internet archive is fully digital and they can easily alter any of their copies any way they like. Your reliance on them is misplaced. If you want to have a proper record you must do it the hard way, get volunteers, donors and establish an actual building with the actual originals. That is the only real way.

[@theadaptationstationmaster]

@@barbados3592 I didn't say I had a lot of confidence in them. I just said they're my only option.

[@johnvaudry9201]

What I appreciate about the Internet Archive is that it makes out-of-print books available to those of us who live at a distance from large libraries. Thanks to IA I can read something written over 100 years ago that is sitting on the shelves of, say, Princeton Theological Seminary or the Bodleian Library at Oxford. The books I'm most interested in are usually in the public domain.

[@freestylegamingartist8192]

Peace, I would love to have access to such resources. Could you share them with me?

[@jaimepiano1985]

Right!!

[@CarlyCatharsis]

I GUARANTEE They're Gonna Go After: #ProjectGuttenberg Within The Next Two Years!!

[@TheVespertilia]

Same here. I live in Italy and most of the times I read book or I'm looking for photos at least of 100 years!

[@anna_in_aotearoa3166]

Attacking Project Gutenburg seems unlikely, as AFAIK they only digitize out-of-copyright works? The issue with IA appears to be the reproduction of still-in-copyright works, a completely different legal situation.

[@Mdautkreix]

Lawyer here 🙋🏽‍♂️ FWIW: Saved my firm a ton of headaches using the wayback machine to prove a client we had for 2 years had been lying about his entire asylum story. Long story short: the internet archive saved us from filing a brief with tons of false statements in it.

[@benjiusofficial]

bUt ThE aUtHoRs

[@jadapinkett1656]

You're required to defend somebody, even if they lie.

[@zennyzenzen]

​@@jadapinkett1656spoken like someone who isn't a lawyer and has no idea how the legal system works

[@naglfar6305]

​@@jadapinkett1656 yes but not by filing a fake brief, you need to mention true details or the prosecution can catch you on your mistake and have an upper hand in the case

[@Axius27]

​@@jadapinkett1656 You are required to defend lying defendants. You are not permitted to lie in court. The courtroom is not a venue for free speech, it has strict rules about what can and cannot be said, and the violation of those rules comes with consequences. See: Anything legal to do with Trump since the 2020 election ended. His lawyers were ordered to lie again and again, and now a good chunk of them are no longer permitted inside a courtroom.

[@skyeprophet3564]

As a professional Librarian, there really needs to be a fight by libraries and the library movement to ensure that digital media are treated in the same way as print media when it comes to rights to loan, resell etc. This was a great video on this. Let's hope legislators restore the balance and the status quo and that greedy publishers are not allowed to change the playing field in regards to access to information. The rights authors have under print materials should be transferred to digital materials. This unfortunately seems to be being worked out politically rather than in the interests of democracies or the traditional rights and values of libraries. Copyright law is a mess due to the actions of these US legislators. This has created glaring inconsistency between traditional copyright law and libraries in relation to physical books and copyright law in relation to digital media which needs to be reconciled towards the former or any form of "access to information" that is not controlled by the "$" will be at an end.

[@NoizyInSeattle]

"Greedy publishers?" What about authors who are barely making ends meet.

[@skyeprophet3564]

@@NoizyInSeattle No one is wanting to see authors suffer. Least of all Librarians. It is the publishers who are trying to change the field in ways that only benefit them and dismantle the basis of copyright which is meant to protect authors.

[@juniorjr.]

The Internet Archive is so insanely important because if you need to refer to whatever subject or topic you're focusing on and you need a definitive source, the Internet Archive will have exactly what you need that's archived and preserved. It's more than just a fantastic website filled to the brim with research and information, but thanks to the Wayback Machine, you can look back on old websites and reminisce about the old days of the Internet. Deleting and removing the Internet Archive would be a MASSIVE tragedy. All the printed works that were preserved will be gone forever, and would be greatly infuriating to anyone who needs to find an informative and reliable source to support their claims. Also any aspiring academics on a tight budget would be forced to spend hundreds or thousands of money to buy some academic reports or books just to help them on whatever subject they're studying to get their degree. Most importantly, there are several pieces of print, film, or art that no longer exist anymore, it would be incredibly rare to find them again and preserve them, which is why the Internet Archive makes sure to save them and allow them to be viewed by many users worldwide. It's genuinely annoying not many people realise how important the Internet Archive is and just take everything for granted. It NEEDS our help.

[@kalmmonke5037]

why cant they just delete everything before a certain date , so people still profiting off of copyrighted stuff can continue while old stuff isnt lost? better yet, they just stop bothering internet archive

[@SpartanHawk]

@@kalmmonke5037 Hey, we're talking about a staggering 0.01% of the publishers' net worth being lost here, that's a loss they couldn't possibly stomach! I could stomach the destruction of those responsible for this, though, and with pleasure.

[@jeremymartin1957]

@@kalmmonke5037 As the company's website is accessible nearly worldwide, they still need to follow every accessible country's laws. Due to those copyright laws varying from country to country and type to type, they change constantly and can be a pain to keep up with. For example, major organizations in the US like Disney in the case of Mickey Mouse, have been successfully lobbing for copyrights to be increased in length for decades now. That character was initially copyrighted in 1928 and is still protected until 2024 unless the laws are lobbied again to increase that.

[@sdrc92126]

Library of Alexander 2.0

[@HobbyOrganist]

"but thanks to the Wayback Machine, you can look back on old websites and reminisce about the old days of the Internet." Andwhat if your web site is archived in there and you dont want it to be, the content has expired orchanged or whatever, they no longer will remove it without a court order or some such bs, even Google will remove your content on request.

[@Lone432345]

When the Founding Fathers were around. Copyright was 14 years, with a 14 year extension. You could only copyright something for 28 years. By that standard. Most of these books would already be in the public domain already.

[@davepx1]

Until 1978 it was 28 years plus one 28-year extension, which few had any great problem with. Today's durations are absurd.

[@rengurenge]

Because there are bunch of parasites who are using copyright system to their mostly financial benefits.

[@coachmen8508]

​@@davepx1 How long are today's ?

[@expnewlight1694]

@@coachmen8508 70 years plus the lifetime of the author in the united states.

[@geminitwix]

@@expnewlight1694 😲😳

[@Historian212]

As a historian and professional genealogist, I hope the IA can survive this intact. While I support copyright laws on behalf of authors, at the same time, some publishers charge outrageous prices for content, which discriminates against those outside academia, thus creating two-tiered access to info. As it is, even without considering the pandemic, IA allows access often denied to people with limited mobility, including those with disabilities, as well as those who cannot afford to pay for overpriced materials.

[@nash984954]

I wonder and agonise over when they decide to start editing/chamgimg the history. The Scofield Bible is the biggest fraud as it and the Oxford publisher has notes on the verses and creates refernces unintended and even lies, Unteremeyer,m the Zionist who pushed for the boycott by Jews of German goods BEFORE Hitler was Leader and before there were the Nuremburg laws against Jews[odd to never have seen the ad full page of the boycott Mar 1933 pushing to boycott, and it lasted 7 yrs whereas the boycott of Hitler against Jews 1 day?[need to check that to be certain,but it wasn't 7 yrs] Orwell 1984 about the lost history and so they could make up whatever they wanted. I worryt how handwritten letters etc no longer able to be found after long dead humans are gone, or books, who i9s writing digitally as hard copies the goings on. Even the clerk who wrote the decision that gave corporations same rights as people???

[@keegster7167]

@@vander9678 At least if you look for books out of copyright, they should be good still

[@StarLand-gl9qj]

@@vander9678 such books like medial and scientific research is inaccessible die to pricing, however with a limited readership and limited publication, that is only way those type of content get published at all.

[@meepk633]

Ok but none of that is relevant. You can't unilaterally assume the rights of things that don't belong to you. It's easy to be generous with other people's property. And I'm sure academia will be thrilled to learn they don't have to pay for books and journals.

[@sammosaurusrex]

I found a family history book there some time ago - I didn’t need it, my father has a physical copy, but it’s quite old so the less anyone handles it the better. Had some interesting stories in it!

[@Grizabeebles]

In Canada, under section 29.24 of the *Copyright Act*, a scanned digital copy of a book can potentially become the legal "source copy" if the original copy is ever destroyed. The Internet Archive was keeping a physical inventory of the books it has scanned specificially to provide a physical accounting of its digital copies, as a physical backup and simply because destroying rare books for the purposes of preserving them is oxymoronic.

[@mkervelegan]

Or simply moronic

[@Mabaws-ju9wp]

“Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right.” ― George Orwell. Copyright for Creator benefits is OK, The problem is Corporate greed. Copyright law that pro corporate stand. Archiving is important for records, history, preservation etc.

[@Sythemn]

I'm concerned that Disney and other corporations, not the people, got to determine the length and scope of copyright law.

[@d.e.b.b5788]

It's a country of the rich, for the rich, laws created by the rich, to make them richer.

[@Envy_May]

when you get power you can use your power to get more power

[@kofuku1660]

And that guy shown in the video thinks congress gets to decide, nah bro it's the highest bidder who gets to decide

[@nightmarerex2035]

thats exactly why i say FUCK COPYRIGHT as a modder.

[@bitrudder3792]

When pedophiles and groomers have control of media....no bueno.

[@KaoruMzk]

I seriously hope people are archiving up the archive. Else it's going to be another huge loss.

[@bokunogentoo4420]

I might archive a couple things this weekend, any suggestions?

[@VinnytotheK]

The amount of stuff on there makes it impossible to archive unless you have an equally enormous storage method.

[@boskostoybox]

@@bokunogentoo4420 I've been doing Mad Magazine, Starlog magazine and some comics

[@thebloo12]

Someone might do it lol

[@jadedheartsz]

chill it's not going anywhere, IA themselves have said the lawsuit won't affect anything on the site except the book-borrowing program.

[@luke_fabis]

I really hope there's a backup plan to preserve what's been collected, even if the Internet Archive fails to defend itself.

[@CringePoop]

the archive team has been working on that actually

[@mikeexits]

​​​​​​​@@CringePoopope they've been getting better lawyers too. And I am worried the publishing mafia might send lawyers their way (might've already happened, who knows?) to convince IA they'll do a great job while actually working undercover for the plaintiffs to directly sabotage their chances of winning the case. Either that or they just picked the wrong lawyer... Or something else. I don't know. Hearing about how poor IA's defense was got me thinking like this. I mean the mainstream media publishing mafia COULD do it, no? They've got terrifyingly deep connections. So it's a possibility.

[@SaintMatthieuSimard]

They'll have to turn knowledge into evil and put it alongside with the perverts and assassins of the darkweb. This world is fucking sickenning. That's irony. IT mustn't happen that way. Knowledge is meant to be on the surface. Internet was supposed to be used to educate ourselves, but they're turning it into a mandatory advertisement watch device. Screw advertisers. They can go to hell early. IT's literal Black Mirror - 1 million merits. 🚲

[@powerplayer75]

@@CringePoop archive the archive lol

[@tommydplayskeys]

I'm totally pro Internet Archive, but I'm amazed they thought they would get away with the National Emergency Library thing. My heart sunk when I heard that part of the video - it immediately sounded like they were doomed. However I think they should totally follow the judge's advice and go to Congress to get the first sale doctrine expanded. I'm sure that will be easy enough! (Ok definitely not easy, but an important issue to raise.)

[@Bobzilla206]

Congress doesn't give a shit because those corporations that hold these "intellectual properties" have their asses paid off.

[@franzfrunzner4086]

Those companies sueing the Internet Archive make the same mistake like the movie companies sueing the video recorder industry in the 1970s. The lesson learned from the VCR industry is: Only those contents are "pirated", that aren't easily available to the public. When the movie industry shifted from sueing to mass producing cheap VCR cassettes with their contents, they made literally billions and billions of revenue. So, book companies: Just digitize your backlog and sell it.

[@dananorth895]

This is a very important point, the IA is doing what the antagonists could/should have been doing decades ago. Many of these titles/works are unavailible/rare or vitually imposible to find/locate. The IA picks up where the authors/publishers failed to make these works availible.

[@ExcuseTheSaltImLearning]

See also, Steam by Valve Software and their hot take on piracy being a delivery issue, not a legal issue. They created one of the worlds greatest and most profitable video game content delivery networks and brought console-level convenience to PCs. I even buy steam copies of games I already own just because it's so nice having it delivered on that network. Not only did they prevent piracy, they made it even more profitable AND convenient. Now contrast that with these publishers going after a library. Want to sell more books? Build more libraries and make them as convenient and open as possible.

[@HickoryDickory86]

I mean, print-on-demand (POD) is a thing and has been for decades. Most publishers just refuse or are too lazy to bring only titles out of print by digitizing them and offering them through POD. So, people who want or need thosr books have to go somewhere and get them somehow.

[@PatrickSalsbury]

@@HickoryDickory86 Agreed. Personally, I feel that any publisher that fails to keep a book/material in print/digitally available, has demonstrated that they are unfit to hold the copyright on said material, and should be relieved of such copyright, if they are using it merely to censor the material from public view. Here in the early 21st-century, there is no reason for ANYTHING to be out of print anymore.

[@lihtan]

I love having physical books. I will always prefer it over having a digital version. That said, I have many PDFs of books I'm not able to find. I remember recently wanting to purchase a physical copy of a PDF book that I have, only to find it out of print, with used copies (if you can even find one) going for $600!

[@caitlingill]

As someone who LOVES 2000s nostalgia (as someone born in the early 2000s), internet archive and wayback machine are like goldmines for me, I REALLY don’t want it gone, it keeps me going for real

[@DefinitelyNotNormalLol]

Like wise while I was born in the mid 90s I love looking back at websites from the late 90s-early 00s when I wasn’t old enough to experience. Hopefully fanatics like us can try and archive things so these pieces of history are not forever lost 😩

[@swimfan6292]

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[@Datan0de]

I'm way older than you, but love using IA to peruse old science and computer magazines from when I was a kid in the '80s for the nostalgia and to see how predictions about the future panned out. I also sometimes get in a mood to watch terrible sci-fi and horror movies from before my time, and IA has done delightful garbage I won't find anywhere else 😊

[@djangosouthwest6043]

Why does everything have to get f up all the time

[@tjh6678]

Fellow 2000s kid here. I only just recently discovered the magic of the archive towards the start of this year, & now it's hanging in potential jeoprady, ffs!!! Why are the powers that be oh so hellbent on not letting us have nice things...

[@bontempo1271]

We need to archive our history. Alot of it is online now. Don't let 'them' delete or manipulate the evidence. Somebody else needs to backup the whole lot and keep it safe from 'them' -whoever they may be at any point in time.

[@CarlyCatharsis]

I GUARANTEE They're Gonna Go After: #ProjectGuttenberg Within The Next Two Years!!

[@Max_G4]

At least the digital records still exist on their servers, unless they've been forced to delete them.

[@CrystalLynn1988]

​@@Max_G4 They will be forced to delete them too. It usually happens in situations like this.

[@billkeithchannel]

Otherwise Fahrenheit 451 becomes reality.

[@Quaresalas]

I think publishers earns more than they should have. The authors are thriving not because of IA, but because of greedy publishers.

[@joshuaharper372]

As an academic author (two [rather boring IMHO] academic tomes so far), I think copyright is mostly a racket to ensure profits for publishers, not authors. In academia, copyright just makes knowledge so expensive to access. As such, I support open access publications, and I hope the IA continues at least to be able to offer the short-term loans. (I think their COVID policy probably did violate copyright.)

[@NerakanDrac]

Especially for those of us not associated with an institution! I'm not an academic per se just a well read member of the general public. There is SO MUCH academic material I want to consume that is behind paywalls that are completely impossible for individuals, especially ones like me who live on extremely limited incomes. Academic books can run over $100 each. My disability and consequent financial considerations shouldn't mean my inability to access information, but it does. This is disgusting in this digital age.

[@Mabaws-ju9wp]

“Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right.” ― George Orwell. Copyright for Creator benefits is OK, The problem is Corporate greed. Copyright law that pro corporate stand. Archiving is important for records, history, preservation etc.

[@Parelf]

This really echos the statement "Keep them poor". I grew up super poor, and if not for my local library, I would never have gotten as good marks in my tests. I'd never have learned about tech and schematics. I had no internet access at all, only a phone with a very limited mobile data plan. Libraries are moving online, but if they're burnt down and kept in the physical realm, then the world is going in a dark place where knowledge is for those with money, and only those with money.

[@XX-121]

just think of all of us that grew up before the internet existed.. there is a reason that libraries became a thing in developing/civilized nations. all those books that got rented out and read over and over never made the authors money so it's just how it is and was. this whole thing now is just a disgusting greedy cash grab by publishing companies and greedy people.

[@absolstoryoffiction6615]

@@XX-121 Given extinction... Gold won't save the human race.

[@flaetsbnort]

This is deliberate. The people in power don't want people without power to become knowledgeable.

[@r.a.6382]

Truth. I would side with the Library over the government any day. We must defend the common heritage of mankind from tyrants and crooks.

[@gabrielv.4358]

Agreed, that is just insanity

[@RedexTwo]

Archiving is a necessity for preserving media, literature, knowledge, and so much more. We absolutely cannot accept the loss of Internet Archive if it happens.

[@CarlyCatharsis]

I GUARANTEE They're Gonna Go After: #ProjectGutenberg Within The Next Two Years!!

[@terrylaw18]

Internet archive is in itself a type of business. What they are doing should by rights be done by universities everywhere. But universities have degenerated into pushers of fashion and producers of little left wing automatons. This problem is so complex that it will never be solved in the present shallow world.

[@watamatafoyu]

How do we all versions archived are accurate?

[@CarlyCatharsis]

@@watamatafoyuAn Intelligent Response...THAT IS NOT!! 😂

[@freddierodriguez3036]

The issue is not with archiving for the purposes of keeping the information alive, rather, with giving free access to what otherwise would’ve costed money to obtain. If you support this then you support creating something without being compensated for it.

[@kaylaisnothere4397]

This can't be taken with a grain of salt. The amount of invaluable information stored on the Internet Archive can not be understated. Shutting down this website means erasing most of what is almost 30 years of internet history. Websites, books, research, editorials, video content, old films, miscellaneous media, etc. This site, along with Wikipedia, is one of the most important tools on the internet today.

[@TELEVISIONARCHIVES]

If they didn't loan out books etc this never would have happened.

[@ffc1a28c7]

Also, wikipedia regularly cites the wayback machine (and through it the internet archive). It would essentially discredit most articles (literally, they would lose their citations) on it.

[@ct1660]

in the US, we have the 2nd Amendment, so we can actually put that to good use and stage a mass armed protest against the plaintiffs suing IA. In addition, also organize a boycott against the publishers involved. I'm sure that a combination of both tactics will make the plaintiffs realize their lawsuit won't be economically feasible, and hopefully they will end up backing down once they see their profits begin plummeting from the boycotts.

[@Nomed38]

@@ct1660 I agree with your assessment of the situation and ways to curtail the mass censorship by people desiring the destruction of anything they can't control. I don't read modern books because I would rather read books from people that created nations not those hellbent on destroying everything.

[@BionicBurke]

Destroying the Wayback Machine because it exposes the rich elite's bullshit... but this is totally about copyright...

[@Iesous27]

This is exactly why piracy will never go away and quite frankly, should never go away. There will always be people who require access to material, because of 1. They can't afford the original, 2. They quite frankly don't want to buy it. I would prefer IA continue to allow people to view books online, rather than allowing people to download them. Like a KZbin for books - if you get my drift. There would be no harm in that, correct? IA still owns the book and isn't "illegally" distributing it, just allowing people to view their copy.

[@erfarkrasnobay]

TBH I dislike word "Piracy" and prefer "Consumer of non-official digital copy". When you get any digital unauthorized copy you not raid cargo ship to steal goods. And if publishers want to beat "piracy" them shuold do so not in court but at market. Steam nearly killed game piracy in easter Europe by providing good price for good service, while in late 90-mid 00 piracy gaming was so big that find license game to buy was quest on its own.

[@padenal6069]

The problem is that they own 1 license for that copy. That means that your copy can only be in 1 place at a time. It's the same principle for buying a movie. You cannot duplicate the disk and have it be shown at 2 places at once because you only own 1 license. The book could only be viewed 1 place at a time per license owned. Instead they could create a contract with the publisher for streaming rights. Which is how Netflix can have multiple people watching a movie at once without owning thousands of everything behind the scenes.

[@PKMN37]

If viewing these books for free was really a problem, this lawsuit would've happened ages ago. It has nothing to do with copyright, it's all about control. Big companies don't like to share, which is why they go after sites like IA. Will IA perish? I doubt it but that won't stop companies like these from trying.

[@dharmaqueen7877]

IA contains too much old information that government doesn't want people rediscovering.

[@SaintMatthieuSimard]

They're also coming after opensource. They want people dependent on them. Truth is it's them who are dependent on the people as the corporasites they are.

[@CarlyCatharsis]

I GUARANTEE They're Gonna Go After: #ProjectGuttenberg Within The Next Two Years!!

[@SaintMatthieuSimard]

@@CarlyCatharsis Then the books archive that Google has, then they'll burn the physical libraries, then they'll execute people for owning books other than the communist manifesto.

[@jenswohlgemuth6961]

Agree all about power, money and to keep poor people as uneducated as possible.

[@masterseal0418]

They shouldn't get rid of Internet Archive! Otherwise millions of recovered lost media would be gone again! I use the site to find stuff we don't have anymore, but getting sued over their very own digital library is such an idiotic decision. Let's have our fingers crossed for IA to win the case so lost media will be spared.

[@DhinCardoso]

*DO NOT BUY* anything from the companies envolved in this lawsuit. Be brave!

[@MrKennyUwU]

Do you have a list or you're talking about the publishers shown?

[@CringePoop]

i wasn't planning on doing so anyways

[@zperk13]

That won't be a problem lol. I rarely buy books

[@DhinCardoso]

@@MrKennyUwU Hachette Book Group (operates a number of publishing brands), HarperCollins, John Wiley & Sons and Penguin Random House

[@sarahrothfuss3005]

@@DhinCardoso THANKS

[@st0lf]

Copyright and fair use are only there to protect the market, but the market often fails to serve humanity. There's a difference between lawful and morally right.

[@David-hm9ic]

Copyright protects me, the creator of a photograph. Fair use protects an educator to be able to use PORTIONS of a copyrighted work for educational purposes. That's a very simplified explanation. It's disheartening that so many believe the creator of intellectual property has no right for compensation. This isn't just for big corporations. It's for the small business person that spent a wad of money on a studio, backgrounds, camera equipment and training to make wedding or portrait photographs or the artist that paints works of regional scenes. Nobody has the right to reproduce those works without the permission of the creator. Lawful and morally right both validate that the creator owns the creation.

[@demonic_myst4503]

Copyright has never protected the market it is legalised manopolies

[@demonic_myst4503]

you cant own ideas and none tangable conceots property rights dtate man owns property when he takes from nature and creates a new You cant own an idiea you cant own imagination or conceots and you cant own recreations of idieas acording to actual human rights Copyright was created to facilitate the creative market by minimising risk factors done so the govan tax art and make a profit of it not for human rights

[@demonic_myst4503]

Interlectual property has never been recognised by the ohilosaphers who created the ideas of property rights its a legal conceot not a ethical one

[@st0lf]

@@demonic_myst4503 monopolies are the natural consequence of an open market. A cynic would say they're its intention. Any opposition to monopolies starts by restricting the market, so copyright serves to protect the market from regulations.

[@patrickcarmona2895]

Do not let the Internet archive die. It's important.

[@heartsofiron4ever]

not really

[@heartsofiron4ever]

@Negrohero name one important piece of information it has

[@djmarz7123]

@@heartsofiron4ever Does literally the entire history of the Internet count? Or thousands of historical documents and newspapers that would be lost without it?

[@heartsofiron4ever]

@@djmarz7123 they wouldn't be lost, they'd still be stored only not online

[@RozzWilliamsScholarsSociety]

Its only important to people in central america and eastern europe who don't buy anything at all.

[@pavelfara9333]

I am using this archive very often as a RETRO PC enthusiast. There is no place like this with such a complex database of disk images, drivers, even manuals for ancient electronics. Destroying that whould damage much more areas than anybody can imagine. Yes, there are other places where I can find (most of) the stuff. But those are often messsy, incomplete, full of junk or even viruses. I can understand that in some cases there might be copyright issues, but on the other side how to preserve for example software and documentaion from companies that went out of business years and years ago. And we should preseve that in the same way as music, books, movies. It is a record of what we have achived as a civilization. And yes, it is also a hobby and source of joy for many people.

[@gumlus1257]

The thing is, these are still in print... and they're giving them away for free with no restrictions. If the copyright had expired on those works, they would able to do as they do now with them.

[@willstikken5619]

This reinforces the idea that we do not actually own digital items regardless of how they are portrayed at the time of purchase. When combined with the right to repair abuses restricting ownership of physical objects it seems like the road we are on is one where we lose much more than we gain.

[@danemeow8]

Yes yes yes a million times yes. Everything is moving to a "subscription" based service or idea of ownership. If you can't resell a digital item that you purchased, then like you said, there's an argument to be made that you never actually purchased it and own it as property in the traditional sense, you've only leased it for enjoyment and consumption.

[@CarlyCatharsis]

I GUARANTEE They're Gonna Go After: #ProjectGuttenberg Within The Next Two Years!!

[@danemeow8]

@@CarlyCatharsis I was wondering about project Gutenberg too!

[@theapexsurvivor9538]

"You will own nothing and be happy about it"

[@CarlyCatharsis]

@@danemeow8 That's Because Great Minds💡TRULY DO Think Alike!

[@Eokoi]

The internet archive is crucial. It should be supported, not left alone for crumbling

[@gothickingmongoose3028]

​@guyincognito6582dude no one cares about your social media.

[@cammyman32]

@guyincognito6582I’m sorry but this is just cringe and contrarian

[@Sugarglidergirl101]

The internet archive is basically an essential if we want to preserve materials and data in case of media being lost due to physical copies or local servers being destroyed due to natural disasters, computer errors/malfunctions, hacking, webpages becoming outdated and defunct, physical copies being lost or written over. So many reasons that having an internet archive is very important for information keeping.

[@Pushing_Pixels]

Also to preserve the internet from revision and censorship.

[@wrmusic8736]

For me Internet Archive contains an impressive library of oldschool sample CDs and floppies from late '80s/early '90s that would be impossible to find in a physical form nowadays, not to mention having an appropriate device to read them is generating waste in itself. It's, honestly, an amazing thing, a museum of new era of human history and must be protected at all costs.

[@CarlyCatharsis]

I GUARANTEE They're Gonna Go After: #ProjectGutenberg Within The Next Two Years!!

[@watamatafoyu]

The appropriate device being used means it's not waste. It being not used means it's waste. If you're not aware, we don't exactly have a viable recycling program for these old devices.

[@CarlyCatharsis]

@@watamatafoyu 🤔Hmmm...Yes, A MIND🧠 Certainly IS NoDoubt; A Terrible Thing To Waste🗑!!

[@rhindlethered]

@@CarlyCatharsis Project Gutenberg only deals in public domain works. They'll be fine.

[@CarlyCatharsis]

@@rhindlethered Uh-Huh. Keep Thinking That, Unless YOU Have More Insider Info Then MOST OTHERS Have??

[@torkgems]

this needs to be brought to the federal courts. internet/data preservation should be part of the constitution

[@wlogan2000]

This lawsuit against the Internet Archive is in the federal courts.

[@mattwo7]

Copyright is federal law.

[@alakani]

This might not be the best time for a case like this given the current state of the supreme court. We can’t even have rights to our own bodies, they’re not just going to give us an actual fair chance at an education

[@MadScientist267]

Like they care

[@biancaenera2500]

@@alakani sh@t up Pinocchio.🤥 😂😂😂

[@4wheelwarrior]

This sounds like an elaborate script playing out .. to garner public support for burning down a Library. Paper and Ink is the closest we've gotten to timeless data storage ... warm up your printers and get to work. Magnetic data tape has a 40-50yr shelf life ... pretty decent if you must keep digital information.

[@tarabooartarmy3654]

I LOVE the Internet Archive. It’s allowed me to read books I read as a child that aren’t available to me anywhere else. It would be such a huge shame if it weren’t available anymore.

[@af7782]

It's astonishing in the digital 21st century that something like IA isn't publicly funded and able to pay authors for their work.

[@mobbs8229]

this!

[@threedollarkit]

That would be nice, but as long as it isn't happening, IA should not be stealing authors' works and distributing them en masse for free.

[@hughmungus1767]

Maybe IA needs to become a publisher itself so that authors can get more than a pittance from traditional publishers.

[@thatitalianlameguy2235]

​@@threedollarkit dead authors, and pirate Nintendo products

[@jadapinkett1656]

​@Charlie Wiser Utter entitlement on your part. Mad that no one wants to read your shitty writing?

[@knownothing5518]

This reminds me of how a couple of libraries in the UK (e.g. the National Library of Wales) are legally entitled to a copy of every book published in the UK. Law will soon expand this to include digital works. Anyone can order ahead and go into the reading room to then read a copy of any of these works for free, including viewing digital versions/copies, copies of ancient manuscripts kept at the library etc. It's an invaluable resource and I believe this system would be the best to have for a universal archive of essentially everything.

[@TheLincolnrailsplitt]

I hope this applies to any creative work you might create.

[@BlackCoffeeee]

When I was younger and broke I'd go to my local library to read their in-house copies of weekly/monthly magazines. It kept me (relatively) sane. 😂

[@DUCKDUCKGOISMUCHBETTER]

@@BlackCoffeeee I did the same.

[@mobbs8229]

very very interesting! question please: when you say "legally entitled", does that mean some government agency pays for that copy? Also, your comment made me think: why can't some government branch deal with this? no publishers, just authors and their audience. The readerships decides how much an author gets...or is this too socialistic? ha ha.

[@SaintMatthieuSimard]

I wish we can at last have access to everything freely. IF people wants to pay for a hard copy, all good. If they want to chip in a few coins to the author without having it sliced down to bits by publishers, all good too.

[@Songvbm]

I wish that IA does survive forever. It helped to build many people's research career.

[@TheDesertBlizzard]

My main takeaway from all this is that the laws are demonstrably outdated and should be changed.

[@rosswarren436]

Yes, to protect authors MORE.

[@justsomecommentchannel8602]

@@rosswarren436 what

[@Matthew-kg8nl]

@@rosswarren436 Authors (and their beneficiaries) already have too much copyright protection. Setting copyright at death of the author + 95 years does nothing to forward the original goal of copyright-namely to encourage innovation. It only serves to enrich companies and individuals to *not* innovate after the author’s death. 14+14 years was enough.

[@remyllebeau77]

My takeaway is more of a extreme feeling of rage and righteous indignation. Nothing is going to change until evil people pay with their lives.

[@rosswarren436]

@@Matthew-kg8nl YOU are obviously not an author or content creator. Jeez. I bet you like being paid for work you do, or do you work for free? Just asking.

[@tdtrecordsmusic]

I would also think the legal workers would also seek to preserve the IA. The wayback machine is probably a really good source of evidence for cases. Even if it can't be directly used in court it can provide clues to pursue. Kinda hard to delete evidence when it's constantly being archived. As a normal person I think this resource is vital. Its one of the most important parts of the internet.

[@Vidchemy]

Hmmm, maybe that is one reason for the attack on the IA. Not just remove still-copyrighted works, but eliminate evidence of past political wrongdoing 🤔

[@magingi]

Certain content has been scrubbed so well even internet archive or way-back machine has no trace/record of it. Perfectly good content. Content which contained inconvenient truths.

[@allisonsteenson3035]

As a researcher in the history of literature, the IA holds tons of very old, very difficult to find material (the only modern edition of tons of authors, generally published in the Victorian period, plus collections of pamphlets, the complete State Papers volumes, memoirs, collections of letters from the 16C etc.) Normal libraries mostly stopped keeping this material, and it's generally not on possible to borrow on ILL loans. There is literally no other way to access it than physically go to one of the few libraries that hold them, which are often quite far away.

[@awillwithinawheel]

I have also used it for viewing old materials. IA and Hathi Trust are amazing. How can we ever go back to doing research the old way?

[@allisonsteenson3035]

@@awillwithinawheel we could... With the tons of funding we don't have and the sabbaticals we don't get. Also, publishing one single article over 5 years and a single monograph in your whole career.

[@awillwithinawheel]

@@allisonsteenson3035 no thanks, lol

[@visaman]

Those items are in the Public Domain, so, people are free to do what they want with them.

[@CarlyCatharsis]

I GUARANTEE They're Gonna Go After: #ProjectGuttenberg Within The Next Two Years!!

[@StuartGelin]

Like you, my bias is to support the internet archive, but they should’ve seen this coming. I feel like there could’ve been a way to work with libraries so people could take out copies from their local library but have the ebook managed by IA, or alternatively, have libraries send their list of books and then books that can’t be lent because the library was closed could be added to the physical copies that back up the digital ones so they could expand the amount they could lend but on a stronger legal footing. IA is essential and we can’t let it cease to exist, but it seems like we should also be demanding that IA handle these things differently in the future.

[@MadScientist267]

Yeah it's called "tell them to get bent". This "IP" bullshit is just that. Bullshit.

[@Mabaws-ju9wp]

“Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right.” ― George Orwell. Copyright for Creator benefits is OK, The problem is Corporate greed. Copyright law that pro corporate stand. Archiving is important for records, history, preservation etc.

[@thishominid871]

These publishers can't understand that letting people borrow their books gives people the motivation to buy a copy for themselves if they like it.

[@TheLincolnrailsplitt]

😂

[@reconnaisance]

Exactly this. Millions of books would go unnoticed if they weren’t known through the internet.

[@threedollarkit]

Wow, you don't understand the publishing industry and you certainly don't understand the self-publishing ebook industry.

[@jadapinkett1656]

​@Charlie Wiser Enlighten us, oh guru of all publishing knowledge!

[@ultimaxkom8728]

@@jadapinkett1656 Here's an enlightenment: _not everyone are good guys, and only some pirate are good pirates._

[@adamsmith6594]

Getty Images trawled the Internet and everywhere and gathered images into a database. They then charged people to have a copy even though they needn't own the copywrite. An artist that gave her work to the public used one of her pieces on her own website and Getty threatened to sue her for using their images. They lost but Getty still did and do it.

[@al-uw4ln]

Getty even try to make money from 100+ year old photos.

[@ghb323]

They might as well sue physical libraries. Kotel is unaware or have forgotten that multiple people can read the same physical book (by being next to each other). So yes, multiple people can read the same book more than how many are owned, both physical and digital. Makes me wonder if publishers would ever go after a mother of a family for simply reading to a child.

[@renataheiberg7534]

Have you been to library recently? Just a handful of books but full of digital crap.

[@Philobiblion]

In the bright and airy scriptorium I added on to my private library wing, a lector reads the material being copied, to my scribes, who are producing period-authentic facsimiles. Reading this, methinks a crime may well be committed the first time we attempt to produce a time-traveller version of a copyrighted work, something that our project brainstorming team has been working on. This is the kind of thing that causes arguments among the scribes during their morning and afternoon breaks when they are issued one litron of oatmeal porridge and a pinte of strong ale. We use medieval French weights and measures in the shop to sustain authenticity.

[@Soitisisit]

Yes, they would.

[@CharlesOffdensen]

Do you remember what Winston from "1984" did? His work was rewriting historical records. It is absolutely vital to keep historical media records!

[@Okunikami]

You can just feel, smell and taste the greed. It's sickening that the publishers would be willing to allow what would be lost media to truly be lost. Including works under their own publishing! They act as though everyone has access to physical books. That everyone has the means to BUY said book. That everyone is able to get to a library. When I say everyone I mean worldwide.

[@spiritsplice]

"He who controls the past controls the future." IP is a bogus concept and needs to be banned forever.

[@Okunikami]

@@CarlyCatharsis I agree completely. There's no way their greed stops here.

[@LoadIsUnderrated]

@@Okunikami Dude, that wasn’t a real person that you responded to. It spams under every comment.

[@grantschilb8019]

@@LoadIsUnderrated I completely agree, plus Project Guttenberg only distributes material that is no longer protected under copyright law. It's not impossible that bad actors could take down Project Guttenberg, but it would require a lot of effort, and no one would win from it.

[@grantschilb8019]

@@Okunikami Like @Salva Psp said, spam bot.

[@alecwhatshisname5170]

The sort of disdain you felt reading that legal notice is quite common. If you’re going to court, every piece of correspondence is part of discovery, so it’s best to start framing your opponent as terribly as possible as early as possible. I feel this disdain when I read my mom’s divorce papers too. I’d say that’s what lawyers get paid for.

[@Badbufon]

it seems childish and unprofessional to me, if i were a judge that alone would make them fail the case. f*** them

[@HobbyOrganist]

" If you’re going to court, every piece of correspondence is part of discovery, " The mystery is why any company even keeps that krap longer than one year grows

[@irgendwieanders2121]

@@HobbyOrganist This question under a video about the Internet Archive: "The mystery is why any company even keeps that krap longer than one year grows" Me: kzbin.info/www/bejne/gJ_IaqduqK2ji8U

[@GodplayGamerZulul]

@@Badbufon It's because you're a sane person. Only the insane and the psychotic can become successful in law.

[@dust.runner]

Just putting it out there: *public libraries also lend digital materials* EBooks and audiobooks are crucial tp creating a larger and more accessible collection. They help more people access materials. Some materials may be only available digitally in some cases as well. Libraries *already* lend digital versions of printed materials, and even video (tv/movies) and music. Lending is an accessibility essential, and it means everyone (regardless of their finances, bodies, or location) gets to read, watch, listen. Access to art and information is crucial. I understand that IA may have issues, but to me if we treat archival organizations and resources this way we will lose internet-based archives or limit their reach, which will inevitably end up with more lost media and less access to information. Public libraries should not be the only place for this. They simply can't. No library can reasonably have every book, and older or out of print books will eventually disappear, and archival/history libraries can't store and save everything either. Internet-based projects allow us to fill in the gaps and save as much as we can for future generations. IA may need to revise the way they do things, but if copyright law is used as a way to kill their book collection, then that's just another failing of copyright law imo. Copyright law only protects 'larger' intetests anyway. Publishers, and the few very successful individuals who manage their own copyright. The individual artist rarely can use copyright to protect their work and/or win and pay for legal action. And in many scenarios an individual artists work will be plagiarized and they will have no recourse. See AI tools that learn from existing artists works, or stores selling print merch with stolen artwork on Amazon or Etsy for example.

[@robbinpapalucas4620]

Most public libraries are funded and controlled by government and private partnerships.

[@Bogster13]

​@@CarlyCatharsis Project Gutenberg publishes ebooks of books that are in the public domain and thus no longer has any copyright. There is noone that can sue them for infringement because the books are old enough that noone owns the copyright

[@CarlyCatharsis]

@@Bogster13 VERY Interesting Responce! Sounding Like A Corporate Fatcat with A Rather Particularly Rusty Axe To Grind.

[@Bogster13]

@@CarlyCatharsis Wut? Your the one saying "THEY" will go after project Gutenberg next, With that I assume you mean publisher's bringing copyright lawsuits. but that is very unlikely, like I said everything project Gutenberg publishes is already in the public domain. Publishers can't sue for copyright they don't have. That's not some "axe to grind" as you put it, project Gutenberg does good work and publishers shouldn't be able to sue over copyright they don't have, whatever attack you are imagining coming for Gutenberg is likely to stay just that pure imagination.

[@CarlyCatharsis]

@@Bogster13 Publisher's ABSOLUTELY SHOULDN'T Be Able To Have ANY Cuntroll Over ANYTHING THEY Didn't Create Or Help To Flourish. As It's Like Trusting Blood-Sucking Lawyers!

[@toddblackmon]

Interesting. It's not clear to me why the IA didn't just work with the closed libraries to hold the libraries' physical copies as backing for the digital lending of the National Emergency Library. No actual physical transfer of copies would be needed. And, it would have just been an extension to what they had been already doing for years. It may have put them on a much better legal footing. Unfortunately, the way they did it pretty much painted a target on their back.

[@benjaminsmith3151]

This isn't a legal debate. The publishers are doing the same things as IA, forcing university libraries to use taxpayer money to purchase items at absurd prices. They even do it for things that aren't copywritable and they don't own, such as academic journal articles and papers. Are we all supposed to get a tear in our eye every time a publisher pretends to speak for authors or musicians now? We don't need THE Internet Archive, we need millions of them!

[@yegfreethinker]

We need to have a Renaissance in peer to peer- remember how the media companies were on the run and they were scared s*******. We can make it happen again

[@silverXnoise]

"We don't need THE Internet Archive, we need millions of them!" So...the internet?

[@CNe7532294]

Copyright law was meant to protect the author. Not publishers and lobby groups. These are just middle men. Just like any insurance company. Somehow middlemen make more money than the people who produce works or put them to good use. Time to trim the fat.

[@Guy-cb1oh]

Copyright law was meant to give Authors control of their work and that includes cedeing such control to a publisher if the author chooses to do so.

[@me-myself-i787]

They do own academic journals/papers, because idiotic "scientists" keep publishing their work in these copyrighted journals, and therefore assign their copyrights to the publishers for no compensation.

[@Sartorious420]

The original purpose of Copyright law in the US was to promote and support a rich public domain of material to inspire future creation of new materials. It was not to protect the income of authors or publishers.

[@kardoxfabricanus7590]

It was called copyright not copyleft, so copyright was always theft and never meant to protect the actual creators, only the rich publishers.

[@IMadeAnEntireSpeciesForWhat]

it was abused by extending, it has become another tool to beat us dry with.

[@sutediheriyonoBaladMaUng]

@@kardoxfabricanus7590 asian didn't know about copyrigth because they are SOCIALISM ppl. "One for all, and all for one". Internet created for social live not capitalism but there's alots of money so the capiitalisms take over internet.

[@v3ck1n]

​@kardoxfabricanus7590 the dumbest comment I've ever seen.

[@Datan0de]

​@@kardoxfabricanus7590 What are you talking about? It's called "copyright" because it deals with legal rights, not as a counter to "left". The word "copyleft" is a clever play on words that didn't even exist until the GPL came out in the 1990s.

[@TheAnthraxBiology]

I can't say how invaluable a resource this has been to me as a history student and to all the other history students I know. I'm lucky enough to go to a college with a good library but on my year abroad the college library was ABYSMAL and the IA was 100% required. I couldn't simply go out and buy every single book on every single topic just to see if a few lines might be useful for citing. This is why the IA is so essential for a lot of people. This plus the importance to the Wayback machine (which itself is actually getting worse btw). I don't know how I'm going to do my masters without the IA.

[@historymajor26]

I agree! I used IA for my Bachelor's thesis but I know of a few alternatives. Project Gutenberg is very good as another commenter mentioned, and Google Books often has ebooks available for viewing or download.

[@hamu_sando]

Google books can do that without redistributing the entire work which is a violation of copyright law. Just because you find something personally useful doesn't mean it isn't illegal, in fact, it's more likely to just make you biased.

[@rakhaputraprasetya6800]

as someone who is recently getting started into historical costuming, i hope IA doesn't get deleted. IA contains lots of valuable period drafting manual from the 19th century up to the mid century, embroidery patterns, knitting patterns, magazine & news articles about the latest fashion trend of the past, etc etc

[@pmboston]

It won’t be deleted. This is the publisher lobby speaking. It’s a precious resource I encourage you to use. The books are almost all out of copyright and includes books from all over the world. What bs. Most of them are from earlier centuries. The court gave in to the publishers lobby. Regular libraries will also be unable to loan books online. Authors struggle because of publishers, not the archive. This is online book banning.

[@ResearchStatisticsCorrectly]

The authors are not the primary victims here, the most harm is to the giant publishing companies. They have successfully lobbied to get the length of the copyrights extended far beyond the lifetime of any author. They have bought up almost all the consequential scientific publications. Scientists like my self, who are authors of scientific papers, are challenged with paywalls when they retire and attempt to access the papers they wrote and likewise have edited at taxpayer expense. Yes, the IA has gone too far, but we need some scrutiny of the publishers too. For instance, they will bluff and attempt to collect money (generally about $35 for a short article) for a read of material that actually has been, and therefore still is in the public domain.

[@davepx1]

Yup, and it's the same corporations who've persistently sought to deprive freelancers of any rights over re-use of their work. What was until the 1970s a reasonable framework for protecting authors and publishers has mutated in to a scheme of parasitical corporate rent-seeking.

[@lindanimated]

The lawsuit is so infuriating, especially because they're trying to say "authors are being affected, they need profits from their books to survive!" when in reality the publishers are the ones who actually get the majority of the profits. Authors don't get much at all, and it's the publishers who are truly keeping the authors poor. The publishers just want money for themselves, not for the authors they're exploiting.

[@ScooterinAB]

Exactly. "Woah is me, how dare artists be denied their rights and made to starve," says the impossibly wealthy CEO of a publishing company who doesn't pay their art slaves a dime.

[@ElasticGiraffe]

The exploitation of authors by traditional publishers is what launched the self-publishing industry. They don't care about authors. They care about monopolizing the intellectual and cultural commons to squeeze out every penny for themselves.

[@Damian-cilr2]

@@ScooterinAB saying that authors are being hurt when the publishers just steal like 99% of the revenue from the authors is a little hypocritical NGL

[@ScooterinAB]

@@Damian-cilr2 Oh, it is.

[@ChicagoMel23]

@@ScooterinAB whoa? So “stop is me?”. It’s woe.

[@MatthewChenault]

I’ve used Internet Archive to find Sears-Roebuck catalogs from the 1900’s to help accurately date the installation of headstones. I also use it to find resources about the American Civil War and Antebellum period of the American South for video projects. It is essential in conducting much of the research required as it is a database for books not easily accessible.

[@David-hm9ic]

Those sound like perfectly legitimate examples of what the IA should be doing. Very different from copying a current Stephen King novel.

[@jdsgotninelives]

It was never about protecting artists. The world is full of unprotected artists because the world likes it that way. It was about protecting an old and outdated method of making money from artists that had very,very little to do with artists or those that might seek the pleasure of consuming what they create. Ultimately it is about how corrupted and compromised courts and congress can continue to whip people into a line that pays the people most removed from the creation and consumption of art and knowledge. Because these two things alone, art and knowledge, are fundamental to a progressive society.

[@CarlyCatharsis]

I GUARANTEE They're Gonna Go After: #ProjectGuttenberg Within The Next Two Years!!

[@mwbgaming28]

It's not about protecting artists or writers, it's about keeping publishers and record companies rich

[@CarlyCatharsis]

@@mwbgaming28 TOTALLY 💯% AGREE!!

[@jht3fougifh393]

I have no problem with my work being archived, as an artist. Replicated, redistributed, and diverted is different than simply archived. It doesn't hurt my profits to archive this as a bit of non-replicable data. It sucks that anyone is trying to act like this is okay. The IA is indispensable as a public resource.

[@1mol831]

Well. The people would never win against the corruption unless we get a total societal collapse.

[@Irrazzo]

The Internet Archive has helped me out multiple times for retrieving lost information for research and software development. Losing would be a tragedy for humankind.

[@FelinaFaerlaingal]

What annoy me about this case is that this sets a global precedent, even in countries where the laws are different and the IA would have won the case. I really hope the IA win their appeal After the golden age, we're living the fall of internet as a free access to so many things, and it's really a sad idea

[@owenkanaal3457]

In any country with some form of copyright law, them deciding (without any court or political instution involved) that covid gives them the right to infinitely copy and distribute freely books in copyright wouldve had them lose the lawsuit. Its troubling that the lawsuit further attacks IA beyond that, but piracy sites get taken down regularly and thats exactly what they were during "emergency mode".

[@CarlyCatharsis]

I GUARANTEE They're Gonna Go After: #ProjectGuttenberg Within The Next Two Years!!

[@JohnDlugosz]

Good point! They should have geolocked it rather than withdrawing it completely!

[@JohnDlugosz]

@@CarlyCatharsis 4th copy of your spam, only tangentially related to the top post.

[@CarlyCatharsis]

@@JohnDlugosz KEEP IT UP & I'LL Repost YOUR IP On MY Blog!!

[@blerst7066]

I'm worried that publishers might attack public and university libraries next. If they can make lending on the internet illegal, they can make the very concept of "lending" illegal as well.

[@helenmaghinay7304]

In a developing nation like the Philippines, there aren't as many public libraries like in developed nations. That's why I rely on the IA. I want to do what's legal and lawful, of course. But you're right--this could set a dangerous precendent for the future of digital lending.

[@HydeRogen-rs9he]

Fellow Filipino here, there are many books that are not available here and some are too expensive. Discovering IA opened me to a broader access to literary content. It made things cheaper (in fact free), more efficient, and convenient. It's a gift to humanity and I hope it stays forever. It helps people like me who can barely afford books to read again.

[@latitudeselongitudes1932]

I am from Brazil and i find so many books there that i cant find elsewhere here in my country

[@CarlyCatharsis]

I GUARANTEE They're Gonna Go After: #ProjectGuttenberg Within The Next Two Years!!

[@thefuryofthedragon8715]

Downlooad all the pdfs from Internet Archive which are free and valuable to you for your own sake just in case.

[@golbatgirl]

I hope that the Internet Archive doesn't go away for good. A lot of old VHS tapes that are hard to find are on there that I enjoy watching. There are also children's books I haven't seen in decades on there that I can share with my children. It's a good resource for those of us who would love to share those treasures that don't own physical copies.

[@thissweethour]

I can sincerely sympathise with authors who's books were still under copyright & was included in the emegency library. I understand how that could be a financial blow to an author. However, as a language & literature student who was no longer able to access the university library (and for a while during my country's lockdown, normal bookstores), the Internet Archive has my infinite gratitude. I don't know how I would have gotten through 2020 without the Internet Archive, and I hope they'll survive this & keep up the good work.

[@michaelcrossley4716]

You know the saying, let no good dead go unpunished.

[@bazoo513]

Yes, they might have lost as much as $5 in royalties (total, not per book). The rest goes to publishers, agents, printers, booksellers, everybody _but_ authors. To those who were worth reading, this was free publicity.

[@TheEudaemonicPlague]

The problem is that it wasn't a financial blow. The people who buy books didn't stop buying them, and people who can't afford to buy the books they need for education weren't going to buy those books anyway.

[@MatthewHelmke]

I am an author. I have books in the Internet Archive. I don't think I've lost a single sale that would have happened if that weren't true. I do know I've made a couple because readers told me they read my content there first, then bought it because they found it useful and wanted to reward me.

[@bazoo513]

@@MatthewHelmke Exactly.

[@RachelRamey]

Part of the problem is that copyright law was written before we HAD this kind of technology. A LOT of laws need to be updated to account for the changing way the world works.

[@Nerdtendo6366]

This shit needs to survive. The Internet Archive is one of the most important websites ever, and loosing all of that would be one of the biggest losses of any sort of media ever

[@HaloWolf102]

They missed one thing. You can go into a library, and donate any book you wish. WITHOUT the publisher, or authors consent. The same should apply to 'digital' copies.

[@daneascott9645]

I was thinking about that. Glad to hear someone else sees that too. Could they use that argument in court?

[@krishna-e-bera]

Copyright law has been extended too many years, but it had a reasonable purpose to ensure authors wouldnt be cheated out of revenue from their work. If you dont take that into account you are arguing disingenuously.

[@Slav4o911]

@@krishna-e-bera And how would the authors lose money for books which don't sell any longer and even the authors are long time dead ?! I mean there are books which I can't buy and I can't buy them for years and years and their authors are long time dead is it better I'll never read these books because somehow the authors will lose money?! There should be some reasonable rules about these things, otherwise vast amounts of knowledge would be lost... which will be devastating for everybody.

[@berkeleyblue4247]

@@krishna-e-bera That's irrelevant. If I can run a library and lend physical copies, there is no sense in prohibiting me fromdoing the same with a digitized version for which I can guarantee that i will not be copied and is unusable after 2 weeks. The end result is the same. This is just word games combined with old idiots that don't understand technology yet have to decide about it. This is ridiculous. IA doesn't cause authors more money lose than any other library, the only difference is the format.

[@JohnCowan-rv7ne]

@@berkeleyblue4247 The trouble is that when you buy a physical book, you own the book. You can give it away, sell it (the "first sale doctrine"), or use it to insulate your root cellar or check erosion in a gully. Not so a digital work. Except for a few honorable publishers like Baen Books, you do NOT own them, you are only licensed to use them in specific ways. You can read the book yourself, but you can't (unless the publisher allows it) transfer it to someone else, much less sell it. When a library licenses an ebook, it typically comes with a limit on how many times the library can lend it, sometimes as few as 7 times. Then they have to buy it again, even though digital copies don't wear out. We are all in the position of wanting ebooks, knowing that we are being offered a raw and possibly crooked deal, but (like going to a casino) "it's the only game in town" for about 60% of all books (the rest are published by small independents).

[@ng0249]

I hate copyright law. It needs to either be thrown out completely or radically overhauled. People deserve compensation for their work, but there also needs to be some common sense which seems to be entirely missing from today's world. Think of what a better world it would be if we didn't have the blurred lines lawsuit or the threat of the internet archive being unplugged. I'm just saying, copyright laws create criminals.

[@Thespikedballofdoom]

I can't help but notice that it's always the company and not the artists fighting... when it is the artist, they're always sodding pricks too

[@PLYR1]

But IA did not use common sense. They totally flouted the law by changing to "Unlimited Book Loans". They literally dared the publishers to sue them. This is not a surprising result. Had they stuck with the 1:1 loan process, they would not have a lawsuit on their hands.

[@Jacob-Sophia]

Corporate entities should be barred from both copyright and trademark

[@LeviathanProbably]

As an artist, I have to say that copyright laws should stay because of stuff like AI image generators, but copyright laws should not be able to stop people from archiving things.

[@DaACTUALLYREALReddie]

@@PLYR1 INTERNET ARCHIVE HOLDS A LOT OF LOST CARTOONS AND GAMES AND ALL OTHER PROJECTS, THEY’RE A HELPER OF LOST MEDIA PRESERVATION, THEYRE THE REASON WHY MANY LOST MEDIA CONTENT WERE RECOVERED, IF YOU WANT TO COMPLAIN ABOUT LOST MEDIA THEN GET OUT, NEVER COME IN AGAIN. seriously, all these comments are making me angry for absolutely no reason

[@iloilee]

It did stray from its original mission of providing uncensored, full access of the internet. It allows people to decide which sites should be removed from the WBM and which sites should be prevented from being saved to the WBM. And it doesn’t let you view certain sites on the WBM :/ But it’s still important and I hope it keeps living without civil or government censorship or nannying

[@NCTStudio]

This CANNOT and WILL NOT be the end. If the Wikipedia sites taught us anything, it’s that it’s the NATIONAL EMERGENCY LIBRARY they’re suing for, not the entire CATALOG. The IA is fine for all I can see. I do however, believe it would be nice to download and preserve whatever is on it, JUST IN CASE.

[@colbyboucher6391]

Seriously. People are fearmongering a whole lot here.

[@the_mariocrafter]

They are suing for the paid books, not the stuff most people are there for

[@thechosenone5644]

I’m glad someone else mentioned how much of an exaggeration the thumbnail was. I don’t care very much whether people can access certain books right now. I’m more interested in making sure people hundreds of years in the future can see what regular people were doing. I don’t want people’s understanding of the past to be heavily filtered like our current understanding of ancient/medieval history is.

[@BinglesP]

Yeah the thumbnail is kind of clickbait honestly. No hate to All Things Lost though, it's the grind

[@KaoticReach1999]

​@@colbyboucher6391 Who's going to pay the fees? Did you even look how much is archived? That's not free

[@ma.2089]

It’s kinda funny the lawsuit highlights how hard the writers are working, and yet they’re usually the ones who exploit them the most. Maybe it’s a diff for the book scene, but for digital media they will endeavor to make things as inaccessible as possible if they’re not going to make it available in way that makes them money. They’ll throw away ppl’s hard work on a dime. And yet they’re accusing the IA of exploitation of ppl’s work, cuz it’s for free. I do think IA flew too close to the sun with the unlimited book rental stuff. There needs to be some recompense, but they should leave IA alone and maybe even work with them.

[@Pickelrye]

"...maybe even work with them." YES

[@jadedheartsz]

IA did say the lawsuit will only affect the book-borrowing program and nothing else.

[@MysticZefer]

Copyright is immoral

[@bradevans7935]

@@MysticZefer Copyright as it stands at present is immoral. I can understand a basic 'lifetime' copyright for an individual's work (based on the idea that that person should be able to benefit from the work they created), and maybe 20 year, non-transferrable rights for works created by a corporation (based on the idea that if a business hasn't made money from a piece of intellectual property within that time period, they are unlikely to do so in the future). This seems to me to be a more equitable system, which would allow creators to benefit from their work, but prevent corporations like Disney from effectively renewing copyright ad-infinitum.

[@BeastiezCyZ]

@@bradevans7935 People shouldn't be required to make from their work as work, currency and capitalism shouldn't be the status quo. We shouldn't be trying to make another corrupted form of copyright, but completely remove as steps to information being free and accessible to everyone.

[@baardkopperud]

Bit off topic... I'm from Norway, and here a copy of all books and magazines published must be sent to the National Library (think Library of Congress). They've also digitalized a lot of their collection and made it publically available to the public. Some books however - new books, newer text books, and books by authors reserving themselves - could only be read at learning institutions and at libraries. However during the pandemic, they opened up their whole collection for everybody.

[@my_unreasonably_long_username]

knowledge should be free. what good comes from keeping the population stupid?

[@_.Leo_.]

Typical European thievery. You tools do the same thing with medical patents and then steal them and reproduce them generically in the EU and then pat yourselves on the back for "muh cheap medicine". Explains why there have been no significant breakthroughs on the continent in decades.

[@studioyokai]

With the exception of the weather, everything I hear about Norway makes me jealous. Lucky you!

[@CakePrincessCelestia]

@@studioyokai If you hate sweating all the time, even the weather is just great!

[@wrobi73]

The similar law is in Poland: every publisher is obliged to give two copies of each book, paper, movie, et cetera to the National Library.

[@HaniJIsmail]

This is frightening. Internet archive has stored so many memories from the early days of the internet. The website is a goldmine to me.

[@johnroscoe2406]

Even if there has been copyright laws or other laws broken, the fact of the matter is that the only kind of person who would be upset enough to actually want to ruin something like this, is the kind of person with an ulterior motive. Wanting to effectively delete the past is a MAJOR red flag.

[@zimriel]

like transgenders demanding that we forget that this "woman" was once a man and usually a sex offender

[@joshuamurray9403]

These are the kind of monsters that burned the library of Alexandria!!!!

[@mzlww]

I’ve seen books on the subject of occult arts slashed in physical libraries and then never fixed or replaced. I’ve seen less and less available, or reprinted very badly. I believe erasing just is the reason for all of this

[@4963AM]

The side who would support occult activity is the same side who would support censorship

[@gabrielortiz308]

That's very sad. I hope the Internet Archive can survive all of this.

[@artman40]

Sad is a wrong word here. Blood-boiling is a better word.

[@carlhartwell7978]

With regards to the ReDigi lawsuit, I'm also flabbergasted. If I'm understanding correctly it was about the 'reproduction' of the data. I'm no IT expert, but as I understand it, even CD players reproduce the digital information from CD's into RAM before translating it into audio. I believe that's the only way any digital media can be consumed.

[@EvenTheDogAgrees]

Correct. According to that logic, surfing the web would be illegal, since your computer makes numerous local digital copies of the pages you visit and all media on them, so they can be displayed on your monitor. At least in the case of ReDigi, the original was being deleted.

[@topcat8804]

Your culture, your heritage, your access to recreation and knowledge, is now a marketable commodity.