The Internet Archive Situation Just Got Worse...

[@ToasterBath]

Losing Internet Archive would be the modern day equivalent of the burning of Alexandria

[@warlordofbritannia]

Worse than that, for the burning was incidental rather than deliberate. This is more akin the ransacking of what remained of the Library by St Cyril's mob in the early 5th century AD.

[@venimx]

Funny thing is this isn't even a joke/bad comparison like we would lose A LOT of internet history.

[@a-british-villain]

Then save it. Download and store some data on your own drives like old books, memes, videos, games, music, literally anything.

[@agenericyoutubehandle]

@@a-british-villain thousands of petabytyes is a little hard to do that with, though a much better usecase for distributed storage and computing (torrents lol) than cryptocurrency at least

[@BeinnMac]

Download it all now

[@ForBidden1510]

if anything happens to internet archive we will legit lose like 50% of media on the internet 😟

[@HaveanOreshnik]

Agreed

[@colt5189]

If only the Internet Archive wasn't stupid in lending out those digital books, then they probably wouldn't be in this mess. When you are operating in a legal grey zone, you don't fly too close to the Sun.

[@flyingturret208thecannon5]

@colt5189 fedpost.

[@ireallyreallyreallylikethisimg]

​@@colt5189it's an archive. It's protected in that sense

[@freedomdude5420]

It's criminal.

[@daLiraX]

When the Internet Archive finally vanishes, a decade down the road it will be understood that we then lost the modern equivalent of the Library of Alexandria.

[@kyletimbaker]

Gave me chills... 🔥📚🔥

[@spoopy-gho5t]

And nobody will care enough to do anything.

[@Unchainedful]

Let’s be honest, no one will truly care. You and everyone else will go on with their lives and work their 9-5 job. People will complain a little bit and then forget about it. This is more a “that sucks” than it is “we are losing history!”.

[@eleazarmendoza797]

Nah, you don’t understand the vision.

[@Transwithhands]

History repeats itself

[@Critiqu3]

Fuck corporate greed and people who prioritize money over the preservation of history

[@JBBost]

You people say that and then don't follow it up with action, which is how we're here now

[@johnboy_245]

Can't

[@DOGMAN201322]

I agree, fuck corporate greed

[@Dwd84]

​@@JBBost Bingo

[@akpokemon]

@@JBBost nice hot air, hypocrite. what "action" do you even propose?

[@daveg5088]

Upping my monthly donation. Not only will you own nothing, you'll also only be able to rent the things they've decided not to delete. As Louis Rossman says, "If paying isn't owning, then piracy isn't theft."

[@Actual_Real_Person]

​@Elijah_Randall when you rent a property, generally the owner isn't going to demolish it without telling you and for no good reason

[@AsteriaRiselta]

​@Elijah_Randall I need to thank you for making my morning. The world is full of stupid people but every once in a while you see one that's on a whole new level of stupid and you can't help but laugh because it's endearing. I hope you have a wonderful day my friend.

[@billyrobertson5213]

@@Actual_Real_Personexactly they actually have something to lose by it being destroyed but the other way they have everything to gain

[@bazzfromthebackground3696]

​@@Elijah_Randalltechnically squatting is "stealing a house" if you wanna go that route. *So yes. You can "steal" a house, it's just very difficult.*

[@anon2234]

​@@bazzfromthebackground3696actually it's not even that difficult to steal a house, there's more than just squatting. And squatting's pretty easy if you find a property that's been abandoned for at least like a year or so.

[@anniealexander9911]

I used to be an academic, and at one point I was the person who liased with the uni library on reading lists etc. From that I learned of the racket that the publishing houses run, and they hold universities to ransom over licenses and subscriptons for publications. I have zero sympathy for the publishing houses. E-publications have profit margins from 40-90%. If you've been at uni and your library didn't have the publication you needed, or not enough copies, or you could only have the e-book for 24hrs...that's because publication houses charge a fortune for the license for a publication, and have loads of restrictions on those licenses. Each year the publishers push the prices up, and add loads of publications into "subscription bundles" that a uni doesn't want but will add 25% to the price. So, boo hoo to the poor publication houses. And I mean metaphorically poor because they are making serious money

[@cyrus2395]

Damn, you made me feel a bit bad for universities, that's crazy

[@conanbdetective]

Even public libraries are held hostage by this practice. Imagine tax money going to these profiteers providing a handicapped service model. FOH

[@lorit4480]

They have whole conferences where school officials go to order new textbooks. Why do you need to throw a multi day event to sell books you would have already sold anyways? To justify the million dollar cost for 2 textbooks.

[@iluvyunie]

wait till you read how this all became popular.. looking at you Robert Maxwell

[@anniealexander9911]

@@iluvyunie yeah, I know. In a way it shouldn't be surprising. Greed follows greed. I always remember Charlotte Church talking about being blackmailed by Maxwell. If she sang at his wedding for free then he'd tell his goons masquerading as journos to lay off her. I think she was 14 years old or something

[@Canbutcant]

There's a reason I Archive/hoard data, they keep deleting everything.

[@justanotherpxrson]

I wish I had the means to do so at this point

[@DrThic]

@@justanotherpxrson I just started and I will never stop now. When I run out of space I just add more. I will never trust anyone with content ever again. If I don't have it, I don't trust it will never disappear.

[@nathanbombardo]

​@@DrThic Do you have a nas or just tons of hard drives?

[@justinpettit8282]

​@@DrThicI have collected over 250 books and a absolute ton of audio files I have a 4tb drive sitting on my desk for when my phone storage gets full, so I'm right there with you.

[@straightfrommissouri]

@MickeyT-lg7ok godspeed my friend.

[@TheStickCollector]

Why can't we have something like this nationally? Why not allow people to access old data that can't be hidden by a paywall.

[@chickenmonger123]

Because it’s beyond the Mandate of the Library of Congress.

[@keatonwastaken]

Because then you lose out on a profitable business, who cares about freedom of information when there is money to be made?

[@nicholasbrown668]

​​@@keatonwastakenyou....you realize we have a national library that any citizen of the United States can access right? it's just internet archiving goes beyond the control of any national library currently. I owe a shitload of my education to the National Library

[@josueveguilla9069]

​@@keatonwastakenWho cares?

[@kennethc2466]

@@chickenmonger123 Really? "The library's primary mission is to research inquiries made by members of Congress, which is carried out through the Congressional Research Service. It also houses and oversees the United States Copyright Office. The library is open to the public for research, although only high-ranking government officials and library employees may borrow (i.e., temporarily take custody of) books and materials." Please, tell me how the Internet Archive is 'beyond' the 'mandate' of the library of congress. Then, please explain why you think the LoC is akin to a local library, and not a Congressional record. I'd love to hear your knowledgable, logical answers...clown.

[@Alakatrore]

Many don't realize that out of all copyright holders, Music, Movies, Games, Software, Books the oldest one has been the worst for preserving media. Book Publishers have always been like this and deserve the least respect out of all of them

[@venomshot2815]

ARCHIVE THE ARCHIVE

[@Dense_Osmium]

ARCHIVE ARCHIVE THE ARCHIVE

[@SymbioteMullet]

Internet Archive 2: Catalogued edition.

[@Masu-y1r0h]

The Internet Archive Archive

[@apostateunion]

Create multiple archives and host them in different countries. It will be impossible to stop this empire.

[@nathanbombardo]

​​​@@apostateunionThe Archive Empire

[@GYTCommnts]

We need to make a mirror of the Internet Archive on "international waters" ASAP.

[@cheddar2648]

"What is Sealand, Alex."

[@beggar8414]

good thought, hard feat - we are speaking about petabytes of data. not your quick thursday afternoon amazon shopping cart

[@IFD2]

@@beggar8414 Banger comment!

[@flyingstonemon3564]

Time to turn SeaLand into irl Atlantis/Mu by moving the Archives there, literally the future library of the ancients, sad It likely won't happen and we'll lose everything because of greed

[@walkingking707]

@@beggar8414 Genuine question, how long would it take realistically to copy the data on internet archive to a mirror. It may take a long time but I know there are many people who feel passionately enough about this to actually try.

[@DARKredDOLLAR]

As a design student who actually needed to read certain books on say anthropometric data, I was surprised of how hard it is to find a physical or digital copy of some of the best books on the subject. It's so frustrating to know a book exists, but you're unable to access it or find it. My country's biggest library had no physical copy. The digital copy was inaccessible. I went onto world wide webs to find it and made a dozen registrations on sites that supposedly had it. Only to be given access to some "preview" of the book. I used my edu accounts, but was stopped with a message saying my institution doesn't own access. Can't even pirate this shit because nobody in their right mind would want to read it.

[@NilaSpeaksLoudly]

Did you find the book?

[@de6um]

Imagine devoting your life to writing an amazingly great book and instead of being paid fairly for it, everyone rips it off.

[@feckert7301]

@@de6umimagine writing a great book that no one buys. I am not saying I approve of pirating, but of all the possible examples, that’s the one you chose?. It obviously isn’t a great book if no one buys it.

[@flyingstonemon3564]

I feel you bro, how can we ever learn or advance as a specie when knowledge is gatekept like this...

[@GetPsyched6]

​@@de6umi think making a book that no one can fucking read is way worse lol

[@josueveguilla9069]

This is why copyright, patent and trademark laws need to be shorter to the point of putting pressure on corporations.

[@Masu-y1r0h]

All of this shit is happening because of Disney's lobbying, copyright laws should be updated without the influence of megacorps

[@Repizchannel]

It should be shorter for corpos only

[@Masu-y1r0h]

@@Repizchannel yeah, that would be better, but you know what would be better? to make megacorps lobbying illegal, all this copyright shitshow happened because a company didn't want to lose their mascot to the public domain

[@Repizchannel]

@@Masu-y1r0h really wonder what sort of company you are talking about

[@timothypeterson4781]

So you want to make people... Less motivated to invent and create?

[@NostalgiaMan]

I have heard that 40% of the internet is now gone and most before 2012 is missing totally. There needs to be a Minecraft Library style of situation regarding internet nostalgia and anything from the past especially old windows and DOS games.

[@banquetoftheleviathan1404]

That's somewhat comforting considering.I said the worst things before twenty twelve

[@planescaped]

First Library of Alexandria, burned down. Second Library of Alexandria, shut down by corpos.

[@NostalgiaMan]

@@planescaped 3rd. We come for the corporations god willing

[@NostalgiaMan]

@@banquetoftheleviathan1404 I wallow in the offense of my past

[@HanSolo__]

Pre 2021 Wikipedia exists only in storage. The one we can search for in Google is way off. Tons of corporate controversies, Russian military assets (numbers and hardware functioning details), and old CIA + US Army cases are only a few examples.

[@calicat4651]

the "banning" of the hunger games in the US is from some schools. Hardly a book ban when you can still get it from any book store.

[@BLSoldier00]

A book ban is still a book ban, no matter how widespread it is.

[@biggus8158]

Why the fuck did they ban the hunger games???? Like it ain't Mein Kampf it's just softcore 1984 but with Romance

[@TheThreatenedSwan]

​@@BLSoldier00Brain dead take. Are you defending the introduction of previously banned sex books targeting kids?

[@BLSoldier00]

@@TheThreatenedSwan Missed the point already. Try again.

[@bazzfromthebackground3696]

​@@BLSoldier00more like "evaded the point." 😂

[@koichich6279]

Ah yes, burning down the modern day library of Alexandria due to human greed, I just hope this doesn't actually set a precedent for future preservation and that we get to actually preserve stuff online without companies like Nintendo jumping in to tell us no and shit in our lunch

[@theletsplayer9503]

Isnt it funny how history rhymes like that? Turns out people today arent so different from the people of yesterday.

[@ray_donovan_v4]

Pretty much well put. Perhaps not Nintendo, "Competition" 😂

[@warlordofbritannia]

We've also brought back book burnings. Oh, to live in less interesting times...

It's not greed, it's small hats wanting to cover tracks. Erwache

[@warlordofbritannia]

Bro, you're literally a book burner

[@mikitoburrito]

this is so shitty. why force them to delist books that aren't being sold and without them, will never be seen?

[@nicholasbrown668]

because they broke the law and openly also gave books out for free that had just released in the last few years, they gave out dozens of research journals and papers for free (and just an FYI a lot of research journals and papers are released by small time researchers who spend thousands to tens of thousands of dollars writing and publishing research, only for that research to be stolen by Internet Archive and given out for free which directly harms researchers

[@TheAechBomb]

​@@nicholasbrown668research done with public funds needs to be publically released

[@hansstrudel9614]

@@nicholasbrown668 oh yes, the research that is funded with tens of thousands to millions of taxpayer dollars? I weep for their bottom line.

[@nicholasbrown668]

@@TheAechBomb why? public funding often makes up a very small amount of most research groups budgets, most rely on private funds or overwhelmingly personal funds. (though I will say majority public funded research projects should be public access) either way Internet Archive broke the law knowingly and harmed who knows how many independent researchers. I support archiving mankind's past, but when it's done by a private company they have to know they are under extreme scrutiny, who knows maybe this will end in the Library of Congress expanding its mandate and absorbing the archive

[@Top-Code]

@@nicholasbrown668 researchers do not get paid by journals effectively ever. stealing a research paper takes zero money out of researchers pockets as they are NOT PAID BY JOURNALS

[@hatguyfan22]

Thank you for covering this. I take preservation VERY seriously. My brother doesn’t understand. I was trying to explain the Vimm’s Lair situation to him. He’s the type to think “it’s property of the company they can stop people from uploading it because it’s theirs” even though these companies literally haven’t done ANYTHING with some of these games in 50 years.

[@-KillaWatt-]

"Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past" - George Orwell (1984)

[@DramaArchives]

I use this quote so often these days. 🫤

[@stan4oburger]

If we don't learn from History Channel, we're doomed to repeat History Channel. -Blake Henderson

[@SeanUCF]

It's just a roundabout way of saying if you control the present, you control the future. It's not that deep.

[@HaveanOreshnik]

☭ preserve your personal property

[@Nib_Nob-t7x]

Ok but that’s talking about history not old fiction books.

[@Sintrania]

I hate it when people try to win arguments by saying ‘it’s against the law’ but forgot who writes these law in the first place? Especially law concerning digital media, too many dumb people for these corporate to used as their shield.

[@Micchi-]

"It's against the law!" ☝️🤓

[@yulfine1688]

considering copy right and so on has existed for centuries before the digital age you'd be stupid to think it was only because of corporations or rich people, its what allows people to actually own things. There are so many issues that come from just having all information for free, free does not exist it has never existed.

[@LoremIpsumDolors]

Civilized societies work on rule of law.

[@guntherwithabat]

​@@yulfine1688"free does not exist" Jeez you could've told me this sooner man, I gave all those birthday gifts out of the kindness of my heart?? God I'm an idiot! (Don't you quote the social contract, that's cynical thinking)

[@guntherwithabat]

​​@@yulfine1688for real though, the issue isn't that it exists, but the fact that it's been extended beyond reasonable limits because of Disney and prevents us from accessing something made 50 years ago because it *still* hasn't expired. Also trigger-happy DMCA's on cases of fair use. KZbin can't review every last one so they have no choice but to roll over. Companies know that and exploit it That's what people take issue with and you should be addressing that, not painting it as an ignorant attack on the concept as a whole Also keeping so much knowledge behind it leaves preservation down to rights-holders and restricts knowledge in general which is a net loss for us. We've already seen full-on games vanish into the aether because those companies aren't interested in preserving old products, who's to say books are safe? (I can't understand *not* assuming a company is going to exploit something into the ground and ruining it because money was involved, happens way too often, long before I was born and probably after I'm gone)

[@woozi36]

“Internet Archive is under attack and it’s bad” *gives more information and examples about how more companies can go after them*

[@fireballninja01]

yeah what the fuck muda

[@need_coffine]

Which part ?

[@bulabulable]

​@@need_coffineThe part where he shows off whole modern games that you can download from the internet archive.

[@Xgil2Play]

​@@need_coffine the whole video

[@The_Mystical_Blackpiller]

i miss 1990's/2000 when the internet was the internet.

[@privateagent]

We saw it coming. At least I did as soon as the patriot act and Prism.

[@HanSolo__]

So true

[@loner9832]

much better time, a more fun time.

[@VyxiMainchannel35]

The most innocent time for the internet

[@zf8496]

it started going wrong after 2014!

[@IkeFanBoy64]

Just a reminder that RoosterTeeth was shut down back in May and their site was shutdown shortly after. If it wasn't for the Internet archive, huge amounts of content that was exclusive to said site would've been lost for good.

[@SlavTiger]

save copies of it from the archive. we all should contribute by self hosting at least one subject.

[@IkeFanBoy64]

@@SlavTiger Thankfully there's a massive archiving effort for RT stuff

[@loudeasis]

Really glad RT content was backed up to the Internet Archive. As for the website, that's another story. Rooster Teeth's website was not archived on the Wayback Machine because Burnie added a robots.txt file to the site years ago. Had to do with a photo he uploaded in the 2000's which wasn't supposed to be public but was found anyways.

[@EnnnVyyy]

all that stuff shouldve been tossed into the void

[@IkeFanBoy64]

@@EnnnVyyy Obvious ragebait is obvious

[@Chrisezo]

Like someone wrote in Louis Rossmann's channel, "If buying isn't owning, pirating isn't stealing." And with how things are currently going where digital stores can at any moment remove stuff you bought from your own libraries, I have to 100% agree with that one comment, especially when the companies behind all this new digital stuff keep changing TOS on the fly, and they FORCE you to accept their new terms with each and every update, because otherwise you get locked from accessing the stuff that you actually bought, and all of these practices are just extremely scummy and its why all the companies that do this deserve to go down. If Internet Archive needs money to handle their case in court then they should open a Gofundme or something, because even though the repercussions for trying to take this to court could be devastating if they lose, this is not the time to be sitting idly by and letting these companies do whatever they want, if the result really is losing this lawsuit then the only comeback the community can do is to just stop supporting those companies and let them get a feel of bankruptcy, to see if after that they will be more willing to comply to be more fair to their customers and userbase.

[@ElpSmith]

Not enough people actually care enough to bankrupt these big companies

[@goldfishboi]

@@ElpSmith not with that kind of attitude

[@ElpSmith]

@@goldfishboi I’m making an educated guess based on every movement in history. How many evil companies have you seen go bankrupt? Amazon is still going strong

[@DarkepyonX]

That statement is stupid and if you use it in court you generally get the max punishment. An absolutely stupid statement by a stupid person . Sorry but ownership supercedes wishes , can I walk into your home and just take your things for "Preservation" reasons? Nope and you didn't own the games or movies period . And like someone said , NOT ENOUGH PEOPLE CARE . Not enough people to matter on this topic period end of discussion.

[@BH-wk8vd]

This is the equivalent to book burning

[@privateagent]

It is. The fact that they host many "banned books" and banned information puts them right on the crosshairs of TPTB.

[@Razzanonymous]

Uhhh no

[@sagethelemur]

the only thing ray Bradbury got wrong was the books would be digital and not paper in Fahrenheit 451

[@anarcanetemplar4807]

I’m thinking too much about the pre WWII nazi book burnings

[@tyyt2146]

@@anarcanetemplar4807research what books they were

[@IAmMyriadRecords]

“If buying is not owning, then piracy isn’t stealing” a quote I live by now since all physical media we buy now, we don’t actually have ownership of anymore.

[@Razzanonymous]

This has nothing to do with this situation. Also, just because you don’t own something you rent out, doesn’t mean it’s ok to steal.

[@kingnoob5037]

@@Razzanonymous 🤓

[@Zevrael]

Not a lawyer, but I believe piracy is use without license when the rights holder only permits use with a license you have to purchase. Ethically, piracy is closer to conterfeiting than stealing, only that the digital counterfeit you acquire is perfect.

[@doctahjonez]

​@@Razzanonymous It totally does, when we're asking the question of how much control corpos have over this data, no matter its state, it very well does fit the topic. Also you're under a misconception, the argument doesn't have anything to do with actual renting, it pertains to falsely advertised products and policies designed to convince consumers that they own a product, when they really just own a license. So you really are just being this fella --> 🤓 for zero reason.

[@Maverick_Jones45]

Thats not entirely true.. only certain Physical Medias are considered Just a "License key that u don't own" such as Physical Video games that don't ship with the entire 1.00 build of the game on disc.. but thats like a small percentage of the Physical Video Game Market that are like that.. As for other forms of Physical Media like movies, TV shows and Music; from my understanding the entire Medium is preserved on Said disc without any restrictions

[@RhenishHelm]

"Digital Lending" is nonsense artificial scarcity, particularly when the item in question is out of print.

[@nazaxprime]

And people want to act like NFTs are some now garbage...

[@FishwicksREAL]

NFTs are garbage. That is not a point under contention.

[@_apsis]

@@FishwicksREALi believe they meant to say _new_ garbage

[@SmallSpoonBrigade]

TBH, a digital copy takes only slightly less time to make than a physical one does these days. There needs to be some way of ensuring that there's the money available for people to create these works. We can't just give everybody that thinks they want to be a writer or some other sort of artist money in case they create something of value. And there have been times when people have come out of nowhere to create great works of art. I think the real solution is to try to return copyrights to something a bit more moderate. Cut the maximum length down to something reasonable, if you can't generate enough money over the course of 75 years from creation, then you probably spent too much creating it and very few works that are so expensive wind up benefiting society if they are able to continue getting royalties. Most of the royalties typically come in the first few years.

[@Halloumillalalloumiallaa]

The LittleBigPlanet servers got shut down not long ago and all the levels that were lost some nameless hero archived them.

[@Scotter95]

all of them?

[@kairu_aname]

​@@Scotter95 Probably not, but any significant chunk is preferable to not at all.

[@notmanciv5016]

@@Scotter95large part of them

[@MaddBadgerr]

Is it possible to download those user created levels somewhere and play them on a PS3 emulator maybe?

[@notmanciv5016]

@@MaddBadgerr yea Google how to play Little big planet 3 on PC and there are videos showing you how

[@SimpMcSimpy]

This the reason why I recently setup my own 100TB backup server. Companies are starting to attack everything, just like recent story about old NES roms. Download whatever you can, movies, PC games, roms and books. How things look like many of those might disappear with time. During past 3 years I downloaded thousands of books from IA. At least 20% of those are now blocked.

[@privateagent]

Everyone needs to start working or we'll be doomed

[@chri-k]

The real problem is downloading the Wayback Machine. The only way to protect it is to physically ship the data to Kazakhstan or someplace like that before it is too late.

[@Republic.of.Danzig]

Do you know which books were blocked? As in, what genre?

[@erroroliver]

100TBs? thats quite alot, how much did it cost? i have some things archived lol (my friend literally has alot more... lets just say they have every wii game in every region, of course with files)

[@SimpMcSimpy]

​@@erroroliver Complete server cost was little over 6000 EUR. Had to sell some of my Bitcoin :), but no big deal.

[@C_Corpze]

Archiving art, media and history for preserving should just be basic right and not something we have to constantly fight for.

[@SmallSpoonBrigade]

The issue here is that they've gone from preserving to distributing. The wayback machine was somewhat iffy from a legal perspective, but creating a library that shares copyright materials is clearly illegal.

[@fred_d_terrarian7217]

​@@SmallSpoonBrigadebud, racism was effectively legal in America during the 50s and 60s. It's what allowed it to be so rampant. I suppose you can see where this is going, no?

[@Moltar_Railfan]

copyright lobbying and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race

[@doctahjonez]

ikr, who tf decided that the shady corpos should get more power than the actual people.

[@kaden-sd6vb]

Copywrong*

[@warlordofbritannia]

@@doctahjonez The shady corpos, using their influence due to the government's dependence on them.

[@marioisawesome8218]

@@warlordofbritannia the dependence in question: it's bribery OOPS i mean lobbying

[@warlordofbritannia]

@@marioisawesome8218 Ehhhh…I’m referring to the MIC, what you’re describing has literally always existed.

[@-KillaWatt-]

Sites like the internet archive are important. It allows accountability as anything can be back up and saved for future use.

[@electricpaper269]

If a copyrighted work is no longer being published, then archiving it should be legal.

[@SW_491]

The internet archive has fallen Billions must Archive,Backup and Preserve to other websites

[@skinwalker69420]

utorrent freeman

[@atemoc]

@@skinwalker69420 Modern uTorrent is crap. I switched to the qBitTorrent side years ago and never looked back.

[@Daxter250]

@@skinwalker69420 who the f still uses that absolutely obsolet software called utorrent??? go with something new like qbittorrent, jesus christ.

[@SurmenianSoldier]

@@skinwalker69420 gordon freeman, in the flesh. or rather, in the torrent client.

[@petersinkworking6198]

​@@skinwalker69420The right pirate in the wrong archive can make the all the difference in the world

[@octanegamer1576]

The main issue is copyright in general is so archaic that it doesnt take into account of uses of copyright in todays time, if there is a way to lobby a revision of copyright laws then this would be a non issue

[@primus0348]

i wish there was some sort of Revision to Copyright, and if i know correctly it was Disney who started the whole copyright thing in the 90s, they only made that to help them at that time without thinking long Terms, now everyone Abuses it left and Right, and nobody is doing anything to force a Revision

[@EnderElohim]

main issue we don't act according to our best interest and act like apes when companies does for themself XD

[@ShadowOfTheSPQR]

There is a way to lobby copyright revision, big companies do it all the time and will continue to do so.

[@Grassie_D9938]

So lets make another copyright lobby for copyright reformation not affirmation (on the current system) like some of the companies that are currently doing.

[@ShadowOfTheSPQR]

@@Grassie_D9938 Good luck assembling the money, if even the interest required to compete in lobbying. It's a shame.

[@arcioko2142]

Abolish copyright. The only actual use the copyright system has is doing this shit. It will only ever benefit those on top, and the artists that it supposedly protects end up being the most affected.

[@mira12825]

If a new copy of something can no longer be purchased, it should be legal to have copies of it archived on the internet, after all, companies aren't making more money off of it since they're not selling it and preventing it from being preserved just means losing things to history...

[@SCALDIE-]

This. I recently bought a dvd for the movie “for da love of money” because you literally can’t find it anywhere not even torrent or illegal streaming websites. So I bought the dvd, ripped it and uploaded it for others to watch because there’s literally nowhere to watch it.

[@Asuna_77]

This is like burning an ancient library…

[@crashwave299]

But instead of burning is more like EMP-ipng of the digital library of Alexandria

[@GoyslopGladiator]

@@Random_Guy_20xx No he's referencing the Library of Alexandria

[@Random_Guy_20xx]

@@GoyslopGladiator I replied to the wrong comment.

[@Kievitzi]

There is a saying we have here in Finland, we say "Hätä ei lue lakia", rough translation is "An emergency does not read the law".

[@Alan-fx9xb]

Copyright is one of the worst shit thats ever happened to the internet

[@Evancade]

It’s a double edged sword

[@HaveanOreshnik]

Agreed Preserve everything you love comrades, don't let the copyright pests in suits take your stuff away

[@MasterBotttle]

I'm tired of it, it's Time to reformed it.

[@koraichu]

@@MasterBotttle It's time to do the fuck away with it.

[@DirtyPlumbus]

​@Evancade what have you cut with the sword?

[@Weareonenation303]

Companies love the no fun zone, media needs to be preserved because a lot of stuff will never be re-released.

[@doomsday437]

That's actual so messed up, internet archive should have legal exemptions

[@chri-k]

The problem is more severe than you think. Publishers are _forced_ to do this by copyright law, otherwise the copyright will be void.

[@supermaster2012]

They do, they are the only organization completely exempt from DMCA

[@SmallSpoonBrigade]

When it was just archiving the web, I think they had a fairly strong leg to stand on, but now that they're duplicating media that's available elsewhere they've crossed the line into definitely a pirate site.

[@SmallSpoonBrigade]

@@chri-k That's not a bad thing, if publishers don't enforce their rights,then it can be extremely hard to figure out if anybody owns the rights to a particular piece of media. There's a lot of things that over the years were protected and then they weren't because nobody cared enough to extend the registration. Or, the necessary supporting paperwork was lost. If you put something up and years later nobody has challenged it, that's a pretty good hint that the material was at risk of being lost forever.

[@aetheralmeowstic2392]

_In Shrek's voice_ Could corporations not fight against preservation... *FOR FIIIIIVE MINUTES?!?!*

[@keatonwastaken]

Why wouldn't they fight against their biggest perceived threat? It will get worse.

[@HaveanOreshnik]

Donkey: *slowly moves head close* you have been issued a DMCA takedown Shrek: *groans loudly*

[@planescaped]

If you're bothering with the old thing then you're not spending money on and consuming the new thing. I mean, Ubisoft literally want to turn video games into a commodity you use and then throw in the trash, like your left over Mcdonalds fries.

[@wilfridekoue1405]

@@planescaped And that's the problem.

[@garystinten9339]

ONIONS!!!

[@TheCanineContrarian]

We need an Internet Archive to archive the Internet Archive so we can keep it archived for future archives when we need to archive future archives to the Internet Archive.

[@SlavTiger]

we should all save something, so we all have something saved. nobody can hold it all, but we all can hold something.

[@TheOnlyPedroGameplays]

@@SlavTigerif only the storage solutions we have now existed back when the internet was new. The entire digital world would exist in perpetuity

[@SlavTiger]

@@TheOnlyPedroGameplays we can save small bits individually, no one person has to store everything but even saving something random reduces the chances of it being lost

[@TheOnlyPedroGameplays]

@@SlavTiger I would like to have generations of video games myself. It would only amount to a couple terabytes of you stop at the original Xbox

[@FragEightyfive]

Yo dawg. I heard you like archives. So we put an archive in your archive, so you can archive your archive.

[@onetruepauline]

There should be a 30 year time limit on digital media before it's allowed to be distributed through the public domain. The only exception should be if the original publisher no longer sells or supports the media they originally published then it should be allowed in the public domain immediately. Meaning, if they don't sell it legally themselves, it's fair game, and that's limited to publisher, so if a new publisher gets and distributes their own newly printed version of Harry Potter, then the originally published Harry Potter can be publicly circulated on archives. The only negative is publishers won't be able to rely on royalties from very old publications, but I think it's a fair compromise. Don't want to loose your media? Then make is available for purchase, but once 30 years is up it's fair game.

[@DanknDerpyGamer]

Copyright in the U.S IIRC was originally 14 years + 1 14-years extension (for a MAXIMUM of 28 years).

[@foxtrotalphagolfgolfoskart3224]

Welcome to 1984 if this goes through, the ability to change narratives and facts at a keystroke. No way to go back and see if it's altered. Scary stuff.

[@SlavTiger]

we have our own disks, we should work together to archive things, this is the day of the data hoarder. storage is cheap, old computers make good storage servers.

[@warlordofbritannia]

More like Fahrenheit 451, but I see it

[@goofyahdemoman1134]

Things will get risky when house raiding is a daily occurrence. It already happens in China if you aren’t a loyal CCP fanboy.

[@GangstarComputerGod]

THiS is the actual goal.

[@kevinklien90]

We’ve been there lol

[@Blue2x2x]

Remember, Companies has more rights and freedoms than you do.

[@balsalmalberto8086]

Companies using that tax free status to pay to win.

[@Kubickz]

Blame Ronald Reagan.

[@what-un4yq]

They have the right to genuinely poison water and get away with it with no true punishment. If an individual does it, that's a immediate life. Companies get to poison in an entire river poisoning hundreds of thousands. They literally get away with murder. Also human trafficking in the case of multiple secretaries that used to help with a certain island.

[@SeasoningTheObese]

@@Kubickz Why? Why can't I blame the last 6 Presidents too?

[@what-un4yq]

I guess the biggest problem is that they never decided to deal with people who had power And unlimited money since that used to be unheard of. Only the monarchy could be that. Problem is, it's already set up, so they really can't strip them, making everything fair as the Justice System is supposed to be. I seriously fixing everybody to a certain budget when it comes to legal expenses, when it comes to criminal side of law. Would be huge for that. Japan already does something similar to this by simply making fines proportional to somebody's wealth. Making it basically unheard of to see a Japanese CEO or anybody high up, doing anything illegal. Not To say Japan doesn't have a lot of other issues. But hey, at least you're not constantly pushing the bar with what can be considered legal. They're already draconian.😅

[@themarlboromandalorian]

Always backup the libraries. Steal it if you must. Also, what you're describing, I'm reasonably certain is actually copyright infringement and not actual piracy... But the terms get muddled so much these days I can't tell one way or the other. I'm largely against the idea that an individual can own an idea to the point where they expect to get paid until the end of time for their idea. Might not even be their idea but they got it published and patented first... We're just here for a limited time. Everything is borrowed. Expecting to get paid forever instead of getting paid for each individual hustle reeks of generational wealth and I'll always be against it.

[@nesyk1598]

i hate how sites and people that arent controlled by greed get punished like this, i understand the completely valid reasons but man... calling free distribution of knowledge piracy feels kinda sad

[@banquetoftheleviathan1404]

I think it only really becomes piracy if you're making money off of legally anyways. Public entertainment has been subsidized by governments.Before how do you think they built the coliseum

[@doctahjonez]

Not valid, just legal. The reasons are mostly atrocious lmao

[@HarakiriRock]

Once upon a time only the rich were allowed education and the ability to read. Peasants were denied knowledge. Knowledge is power. It feels like someone is trying to revert us back to this kind of society.

[@kaiblack4489]

They're not distributing "knowledge" though. They're distributing copywrited material. Very different.

[@RetreatSequel]

Tbh I feel like the owned to loan ratio would be abused by the owners of the IP or bad faith actors so even following the owned to loan ratio would effectively be the same as taking the files off of the archive.

[@kitcat2559]

If corporations can't make money they'll fight nail and tooth till the end of time in court for it

[@swagmuffin9000]

The thing though, some companies don't even make money off stuff on the site.

[@Maximilian1990]

As they should

[@JustinObi54]

??​@@Maximilian1990

[@HowdyFolksGaming]

When a book is “banned” in parts of America, it generally means that they aren’t allowed in school libraries, or sometimes public (government funded) libraries. There is nowhere in the United States where you are banned from buying, selling, or owning The Hunger Games, you just might be unable to find it at the local library or grade school.

[@rawman44]

Yeah people get really up-in-arms about book "banning" for some reason. It's pretty much just schools, which is 100% okay to do.

[@anush_agrawal]

True, my library bans Game of thrones but that doesnt mean I cant buy it outside.

[@screwtewb]

@@rawman44 Yeah, I can't understand why people get upset over politically-motivated Karens putting restrictions on knowledge and deciding what is and isn't appropriate for everyone. I don't understand at all. 🙄

[@screwtewb]

@@anush_agrawal Good for you. Maybe try realizing that not everyone can go buy a book if their library bans it.

[@hex2_]

It's still a major issue that requires these books to be preserved. Information is still being withheld and removed.

[@ElishaPonkratjevs]

There is a big disconnect between consumers and companies right now, and companies hold all of the power. We need new laws to shift that power back towards consumers. The way we are slowly being funneled into "buying" stuff we don't actually get to own, or subscriptions doesn't sit right with me.

[@freedomdude5420]

I keep tell people this is fascism, but no wants to listen, but they say it is only nationalisms, is not core of fascism, it is corporatism.

[@jtnachos16]

@@freedomdude5420 Uh, no. Core of facism is state control of market providers. Not market providers control of state, which is what things are in most the world right now.

[@loner9832]

@@jtnachos16 Partially State Control of Market Providers.

[@loner9832]

@@jtnachos16 Otherwise that's Communism.

[@DrewPicklesTheDark]

@@freedomdude5420 Corporatism as used by the fascists is not "when corporations run everything" as a lot of people are ignorant of/disingenuous about that. The fascists themselves were highly skeptical of huge privately controlled business empires which is why in the interwar period they were seen as an alternative to communism, but still a rival to liberalism and capitalism. The root of corporate is corpus, which means body in Latin, corporatism doesn't refer to an explicit economic structure like communism or capitalism, but rather a generalized national structure (as nationalism _IS_ the key component of fascism). The nation is to be structured as _a body_ with particular sectors (political, agriculture, military, intelligentsia, etc.) all as components, or body parts, of a greater whole. The goal of this was to promote class unity in an era where class conflict was rife (one part of the body can't survive without the other as the theory goes). The US is not corporatist, it would likely be in better shape if it was to be honest since at the least certain sectors wouldn't be as neglected as they are now. The US is a neo-liberal capitalist state, or if buzzwords are preferred, a corprotocracy. As much as I loathe commies, they aren't wrong they say what the current US (or West in general) is the end result of capitalism, but most Americans are in denial and can't admit capitalism is what's fucking them over since all Cold War they were taught you either got to be a capitalist or else you are a filthy commie. Capitalism and communism need to be flushed down the toilet as relics of a past era if anything is going to get fixed.

[@Najdmie]

Many of my favourite textbooks are in internet archive but now I cannot read them anymore because of the lawsuit. The books are not published anymore and even if they are published they are too expensive and don't even ship to my country. The authors have already passed away but the publishers are holding the knowledge from the public.

[@Republic.of.Danzig]

DOWNLOAD THEM, NOW!

[@Najdmie]

@@Republic.of.Danzig I have the foresight to screenshot a couple of important pages back then. But now the rest of the knowledge maybe forever sealed ....

[@Republic.of.Danzig]

@@Najdmie Damn. Well, now, you can still do something, but with things available now, possibly not in the future though.

[@AAhmou]

Libgen

[@YoungBuckofthe69]

If it's "banned" in US it means a school not for the general public

[@ETXAlienRobot201]

not just schools... my state [right-wing] is among the ones that keeps trying to impose a state-wide book ban/"adult-only reclassification" on the public libraries.

[@fedoraguy6774]

@@ETXAlienRobot201those public libraries are operated by your state government, so the state can tell those libraries what they can lend, and to who. A bookstore would still be able to sell those books that are “banned”.

[@ETXAlienRobot201]

@@fedoraguy6774 the next logical step is to in fact, ban/regulate the bookstores. they're already trying to do this to the privately run websites which by your logic, not being operated by the state, are safe from this. fascists won't take no for an answer. also, as per the constituion, the state should not be banning any books in the first place. clear violation of ammendment #1. but again, fascists don't take no for an answer.

[@krz8888888]

We gotta decentralize the internet archive

[@Emerald_Fox]

Aka, torrents 👍

[@BOZ_11]

@@Emerald_Fox nope, stick the IA (or any archive site) on a purpose built blockchain

[@skinwalker69420]

@@BOZ_11 shut up cryptoid

[@skinwalker69420]

Most of what's on the Archive can be downloaded via torrent, so it already is.

[@twei__]

@@BOZ_11 i think the thing you're trying to describe is a torrent

[@Gamer1990100]

I hate the digital only future.

[@SoyAntonioGaming]

still u use digital devices and type a comment here. shame on u.... and on me

[@InvaderTAK1989]

DRM is the real enemy, not digital.

[@RaysGamingChannel2003]

Same

[@GENERIC_CHANNEL_HANDLE]

I found some bookmark backups from 2010 and spent hours yesterday figuring out what the Archive had saved. It was a heck of a nostalgia blast.

[@l2_linksklix]

I don’t want to lose the second library of Alexandria

[@SlavTiger]

then save a portion of it by downloading things and keeping them on those old drives you no longer use or an old computer that has no purpose. we can each carry something

[@l2_linksklix]

@@SlavTiger really got no old drives, only a 500 gig one

[@Republic.of.Danzig]

​@@SlavTigerI carry one book. Just one, still available, but who knows for how long.

[@israel9350]

Whatever you like, game roms, cd backups, old movies, just keep a copy of it. I have copies of music software that cannot be bought anywhere, and are still useful, all in a zip file of just about 50gb. I’ll be preserving that portion of the internet. If everyone holds a piece that is precious to them, the entire internet, in a way, can be saved

[@Inkspells]

It's so weird because the internet archive has thousands of books where you have to borrow them when you have to have an account and you cannot download files of them or if you do they're like write protected it just seems so weird that Publishers are just going after instead of just asking them to do that with their books too

[@nicholasbrown668]

because a lot of books being given *for free* are research journals released in the last couple of years, meaning most likely the researchers who wrote it are being fucked over because why buy the journal this researcher spent tens of thousands of dollars making? I can just go to internet archive and get it free

[@jtnachos16]

@@nicholasbrown668 Or how about the researchers grow some moral fortitude and not paywall their data behind absolutely absurd fees? Oh wait, that requires them to no showcase greed, and people to prioritize a higher thing than themself. Researchers are not harmed by freer dissemination of information. God forbid we talk about how researchers AREN'T putting tens of thousands of their own money into research. It's all paid for by corporate investment, charities, and government grants.

[@pocketsizedweeb]

@@nicholasbrown668 9 times out of 10 if you email the writer of a research paper they'll just give it to you for free. It's the publishers that hide the info behind paywalls. I wouldn't be surprised if the research papers you are talking about were uploaded by the writers themselves and the publishers are throwing a fit about it.

[@grafphal5103]

@@jtnachos16 Who are you to tell others what their work is worth for??

[@xanderplayz3446]

“Write Protected” ???? You can’t “write protect” PDFs.

[@wakaitsu]

If buying isn't owning, then piracy isn't stealing

[@Oliver-df4zl]

Someone needs to archive The Internet Archive

[@SlavTiger]

become a part of that, pick a subject and begin archiving it on an old computer. let's take a page from Fahrenheit 451 and each keep a piece.

[@KSPAtlas]

Making a site that has links to all the torrents is perfectly possible, the issue is preserving the way back machine

[@stoneman210]

@@KSPAtlashow? I’m sure it’s very preservable with the help of ultraviolet

[@KSPAtlas]

@@stoneman210 I was referring to the sheer amount of storage needed

[@stoneman210]

@@KSPAtlas modded UV can prob handle it

[@kizylle5204]

imagine burning down a museum because you want people to buy newer paintings. this is what these people are doing

[@LordSamuelJ]

I wish I had enough server space, I would back up the archive

[@HaveanOreshnik]

Our property is our personal property comrades Preserve everything

[@xianthal8443]

"Piracy is wrong" is not a blanket statement I am willing to admit any truth to anymore. There are way too many logical reasons to justify it now, and shit like this only makes it worse, which in turn fuels their lawsuits even more etc... Start storing and preserving what you can for yourself now while you still can.

[@bazzfromthebackground3696]

"...Piracy is a customer service issue."

[@socialistrepublicofvietnam1500]

This is literally the Mongol burning of the Baghdad House of Wisdom

[@mihajlomilosevic4732]

Agreed. So much knowledge gone...

[@apocolipeica]

It's so tiring living in a more and more dystopian world

[@privateagent]

It's getting tiring tbh

[@primus0348]

unfortunately, Uninformed or Braindead people are feeding into it, Corps care about money, and People care about something Quick and Good, unless people start boycotting, things wont get better

[@SlavTiger]

Save something and others will save something else. We can protect the archive by saving pieces of it

[@mangopie7602]

it's because no one's attacking the goddamn corpos

[@DarkVVitcher]

This shit needs to stop, I call for another worldwide web...

[@Window4503]

For individuals only, no corporations allowed. They can keep the old one.

[@arnox4554]

Actually, there's a fully decentralized one in development. Can't remember what the name of it was, but it got a FUTO grant and was featured on Louis Rossmann's channel.

[@EveInTheMachine]

The Internet Archive is a national treasure and MUST BE PROTECTED!! 😣🥺

[@kingnightmarevin]

They say the internet is forever.... tbh I truly did believe that

[@brandonvelde5774]

The internet is forever, but only if people prevent it from rotting away. So don't let this place get quietly plunged into the darkness. Rage, *rage against the dying of the light.*

[@bobthebuilderer]

The senators sitting on these internet commities are in their 70s and 80s. They barely understand what email is, but they are making the laws that govern our technology.

[@demonoid47]

I passionatly beleve that if a law does not enshrine ethics/morality the law MUST be broken.

[@toffyflame0]

Ouch, peace be with the archive

[@quasifex3869]

I'm not a pirate, i'm a Preserver. We are not the same.

[@agenericyoutubehandle]

Pirates are legit, too, though*

[@proCaylak]

@@agenericyoutubehandlethose ones are called "privateers"

[@Republic.of.Danzig]

You're both fighting for a good cause. Atleast in this case.

[@quasifex3869]

this is meme joke btw guys

[@proCaylak]

@@quasifex3869 oh yeah, a meme that came from "Breaking Bad". we're cool :)

[@eli-kave]

Knowledge is power Archiving and preserving is imperative

[@DeadPhoenix86DP]

This is why Physical Media is so important. Without this, these companies can take away everything you've bought on the internet.

[@warlordofbritannia]

We've gone full circle in barely more than a decade, thanks to corpo greed.

[@itzSalty_]

Digital is better. A disk can break, data can be copied.

[@DeadPhoenix86DP]

@@itzSalty_ Its not always better when its pulled from the internet. A disc can last up to 100 years if taken good care of. I still have disc games that are pushing 30 years old. And still look like the day I bought them.

[@DeadPhoenix86DP]

​@mormacfey False !!! I recently checked my collection, and none of them show any disc rot. I was playing MGS1 Yesterday on my PS3. I've completed the game from start to finish, with absolute zero issue's. Keep hating on Physical media, I will enjoy my collection for many years to come. And none of these greedy companies can take away my access. Because none of them require an internet connection.

[@DeadPhoenix86DP]

@mormacfey Which is longer than 20 years. Unless its bad print. Disc rot is a none issue. Physical FTW ;)

[@LuciusVulpes]

Stop giving these companies money.

[@SoyAntonioGaming]

it is non profit organisation

[@xanderplayz3446]

@@SoyAntonioGamingHe meant the publishers.

[@CubicApocalypse128]

Doesn't matter, they're too big to be capable of failing.

[@TheSkyGuy77]

How? They own everything.

[@You_work_tomorrow]

@@TheSkyGuy77people experience the harms of capitalism but are blind to what it really means and say things like “just don’t buy.” As if, being able to experience things as a human being(a social creature) doesn’t require you to pay to companies you hate. Sent from my iPhone.

[@flashpoint5292]

If the internet archive goes down, it will be the largest loss of data, likely larger than any books or papers lost to time in all of history. I hope there are those who are archiving the archive

[@chri-k]

The thing no-one here gets is the size of the archive. The smaller things are already likely archived in other places, but the Wayback Machine is over 50 PB of data. Copying that over the Internet would take decades of uninterrupted transfer.

[@colt5189]

Internet Archive really screwed up when trying to lend digital books. Now the whole thing might get taken down because of it.

[@JJ-Schmidt]

There’s gotta be some new laws made that would be in conjunction with the existing historic type stuff for preservation.

[@videoguy6966]

I love the internet archive. Every day I discover something new there about video games to look in to. Hours of research and learning. Today I discovered how to access prototypes, demos, press copies, for of all kinds of video games. It’s like having different versions of a game. Some times the game is incomplete but sometimes it has more features than the original release. There’s even builds of games that have been canceled. I downloaded the Daredevil game that was canceled on PS2 and WWE Wrestlefest, a game that was canceled right before it’s release for the Xbox 360.

[@RBFR01]

Websites forced to take down and people just re upload 10x more to say fk you to them.

[@SlavTiger]

become a part of it and save stuff

[@anonisnoone6125]

This is a pretty sad situation. I really hope the Internet Archive pulls through. These companies will do anything to fuck up something over a mistake. This is one of those sites that should be protected on the internet cos of how important it is.

[@SlavTiger]

save some files now, we all can save pieces of it

[@Yakoaxxi]

A mistake...lol

[@OneRedKraken]

I understand the old idiom. It's easier to ask for forgiveness than it is to ask for permission. But to reference another idiom. They made their bed and now have to lie in it.

[@MoonMinHo]

“To be ignorant of what occurred before you were born is to remain always a child. For what is the worth of human life, unless it is woven into the life of our ancestors by the records of history?” - Cicero

[@privateagent]

We are getting into a new world order. And not a good one if you ask me.

[@LunarKR]

skyrim

[@ChunkSchuldinga]

​@@LunarKR OK, fed.

[@camonophy]

Guess we have to go back to our local shady neighbour guy who has any game imaginable in his garage to copy it from him

[@privateagent]

Those were some good old days, although now I prefer Steam tbf ^^

[@glycerosfournaris2512]

They have a solid argument about their case. Since buying isn't equal to owning. Then piracy isn't theft!!

[@theredwedge9446]

Even if its delisted off the archive, atleast itll still be stored on their servers.

[@Jolis_Parsec]

They really screwed the proverbial pooch by going full Aladdin and handing out books to anybody who asked, copyright be damned, during the pandemic. I know I’ve been a bit of a snarky jerk with regards to Nintendo shutting down Vimm’s lately, but this is definitely a serious issue and for what it’s worth, I’m greatly concerned for the archive at this point.

[@captainhydrodus4616]

This is why you NEVER rely on just one source for anything from food to info.

[@żywiecantygates]

You talking about whole situation or this video?

[@ransamfast]

I bought a massive hard drive and have almost completely archived all Nintendo games up to the Wii. I am not taking chances. Edit: Hey Nintendo. I'll give you my hard drive when you pry it from my cold, dead hands.

[@SlavTiger]

pick something else to save as well, games are a high priority archive but if we want to save as much of the IA as possible, we should all pick a niche subject to contribute to holding a piece, much like Fahrenheit 451 in which people would each memorize at least one book to preserve it.

[@HarakiriRock]

Buy more hard drives. Don't rely on just one. Buy parity drives in case your primary drives fail. Create offsite backups if possible. Archive everything digital that you care about, not just games. Everybody and their brother has a hoard of retro games at this point. Focus on niche and obscure things that would be very hard to track down if removed from just 1 or 2 sites.

[@ransamfast]

@@HarakiriRock For sure. I'm not doing anything special. I want to inspire others to archive as well. I'm certainly archiving more than just games.

[@Republic.of.Danzig]

@@SlavTiger I'm going to print out a book from the 19th century soon. It's still available, but who knows for how long. Internet libraries are fragile, even the smaller ones.

[@warriorcast8567]

Time to download the whole internet archive

[@Masu-y1r0h]

And archive it

[@goofyahdemoman1134]

So much so that the entire human mind couldn’t store it.

[@bsherman8236]

I have the stuff i consider the most important

[@decreer4567]

Hold up if Sony uses Linux and they try to restrict others usage, that would be illegal under the GPL license. Which means they can counter sue Sony.

[@dylives7667]

Decentralized Internet Intensifies.

[@Isnt_that_Aaronic]

Oh no. The massive multi billion dollar cooperations might not hit there quarterly targets. The humanity😢

[@SoyAntonioGaming]

sounds like u dont own stock

[@thisislame2207]

@@SoyAntonioGaming the massive stockholders in most of these companies have been ruining this economy for awhile now. Same with most of the board members that inhabit these public corporations. Infinite Growth ideals are fictional in terms of achieving and are absolutely destructive for the economy in the long run. We had a economic collapse in 2008 and now we are very much going through one right now only around 15 years later.

[@privateagent]

Why don't you think of the billionaires?!?

[@pocketsizedweeb]

@@SoyAntonioGaming Man thanks for reminding me to care about the stockholders of these multi-billion dollar corporations! I almost forgot about the little guy!

[@ProjectionProjects2.7182]

@@SoyAntonioGaming Sounds like you care too much about corporate intrests.

[@retrofroggie]

I'm so worried about the gaming side. There's tons of unreleased beta/alphas that people pick apart and then use to help with their own game development endevours, or to see what worked/didnt. And old website assets people are using to build rewritten sites, too...

[@MrDonCoyote]

We should just remove digital copyright at this point. In this day and age where piracy is lucrative to these companies, these old and very broken copyright laws make no sense anymore. Companies are only able to stay in business because people on youtube and twitch etc, are spreading their content around by playing their games, reacting to their music and so on. If we remove digital copyright, companies will have more of a reason to sell physical copies, hence preserving physical media. And of course companies can still capitalize on their digital goods, as everyone has a streaming service now.

[@GoodnightWarrior]

The modern burning of the library of Alexandria... This is insane.

[@thegame9305808]

These book publishers will die if they continue this ata…nobody reads books anymore and this site is just supporting them while keeping the interest alive

[@nicholasbrown668]

a lot of publishers are directly harmed by IA giving out books that have just recently released, they broke the law big time. Edit: Guess I should have worded this like my other comment, I meant to say Independent Researchers. Internet Archive released a bunch of personal funded or private funded research journals and papers that often cost the researchers themselves tens of thousands to sometimes hundreds of thousands of dollars to work on and publish. Internet Archive harmed those researchers by providing their research entirely for free, which would often leave them in financial hardship due to having to foot the cost for a paper or journal that in the end won't sell anywhere near as well as it should. We praise old scientists, mathematicians, engineers etc. as Men and Women who built the world but forget that a lot of them ended up destitute in old age due to people taking their work *for free* . Give our scientists and engineers the respect they deserve and honor them by purchasing a journal or paper and gaining knowledge

[@legendarygodzilla3577]

​@@nicholasbrown668 Cooperate propaganda is not being accepted. Try again.

[@MarteenHobbu]

​​@@nicholasbrown668 what if a centralized library helps someone to discover a book they wouldnt have read otherwise... and paid for

[@nicholasbrown668]

@@MarteenHobbu how often does that happen? how often does someone who can steal something and get away with it, buy the exact same thing they already have for free?

[@nicholasbrown668]

@@legendarygodzilla3577 that's honestly just a childish view, I'm open to friendly discussion but if you want to act like a child that's up to you.

[@MarcuStar745XD]

Authors and companies really be like: "I'd rather die than let people ever have this for free"