As soon as you mentioned "top gear laughs" I immediately think of James May wheezing as Jeremys Tower block car weaves on the motorway
@ScotSteam4719 күн бұрын
going back it will always be the convertible people carrier, or the cheap supercar challenge.
@disuyeАй бұрын
Just did a 200km twisty mountain drive in the back country (in a 1990 E30 320is) ... and got home to find there's a new CREAM podcast... Perfect day.
@Mecanic0_exeАй бұрын
You are living in a dream, seriously, correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the E30 320is have a dogleg manual gearbox?
@disuyeАй бұрын
@@Mecanic0_exe Indeed it does, dogleg Getrag 265/5 and a smaller 2.0L version of the E30 M3 S14 engine.
@LachiewichАй бұрын
Just wait until you realise this podcast has been out on Spotify since the 17th 😅
@disuyeАй бұрын
@@Lachiewich True lol! Didn't even know. FWIW I think most content creators prefer to have their podcasts streamed via KZbin (or any other platform other than Spotify; Spotify pays diddly squat ad revenue to podcasters, at least according to Smith & Sniff).
@tomjjordan91Ай бұрын
Please put pictures of the vehicles you're talking about up on screen as they're mentioned. My dumb ass having to Google these cars constantly.
@adamhousden6349Ай бұрын
really, wtf are you on a car channel for if you dont know what the cars are, thats just really sad
@Darth-marmiteАй бұрын
@@adamhousden6349haha wtf? “If you don’t instantly know every car that they mention you shouldn’t listen to this podcast” is the most dumb take I’ve listened to today. Way to try and stop people enjoying things and the channel growing… 👍
@michaelruss9604Ай бұрын
@@adamhousden6349clearly you haven’t been listening to anything they’ve said about wanting the car scene to be approachable for new people 🫠
@gordonchard624329 күн бұрын
@@Darth-marmiteit's gate-keeping. When I first started working on my own car I couldn't ask any questions as idiots would just say omg how do you not know this stuff.
@judeackland-patel664624 күн бұрын
@@adamhousden6349PLEASE tell me that was ironic because if not, you are without a doubt one of the most horrible people I've ever encountered on the internet!
@DigitalScar14Ай бұрын
Came for AutoAlex, stayed for TDC.
@evilutionltdАй бұрын
"Edwin Klinkenberg" sounds like a baddie from Allo Allo. 🤣 (and his German accent is suspiciously good).
@s1gneАй бұрын
Klinkenberg sounds Dutch to me (as a Dutchman myself).
@CarlZimmerJungАй бұрын
@@s1gne I'm German and to me Klinkenberg also sounds like a Dutch name. It could be both linguistically but to me it sounds rather Dutch.
@xGeorge1337xАй бұрын
@@s1gneWould make sense considering he's like 7ft 14 or some shit
@Why_not_notАй бұрын
😂😂😂 just needs Von between Edwin and Klinkenberg
@9wowableАй бұрын
I always thought he was South African?
@SirIcyDragonАй бұрын
I remember going to a top gear live show (the year the trio parted ways with the BBC, so it was "Clarkson Hammond and may live") and one of Jeremy's cars genuinely gave me permanent hearing damage, I was in one of the back rows. Still one of my favourite live shows I've ever been to. Stopped watching as religiously once GT became exclusively specials, but man I still look back on early top gear so fondly, even though I wasn't even born when old top gear began. Most of my childhood was spent on Dave watching repeats.
@peted1822Ай бұрын
Always love a Jack Joy shout out!
@kieranallen9892Ай бұрын
Wait TDC actually listens to oldschool hiphop...this is officially my new favourite channel Also Mase - Make Me Feel so Good is an absolute BANGER
@filipwennergren2712Ай бұрын
I totally agree, May is the coolest!
@toddphillips8899Ай бұрын
The Forum: I’ve always wondered what makes someone a brand person. I hear “I am BMW guy” or “I’m not a Mercedes person” and I don’t understand. Is it the looks? Driving feel? Easy/hard to work on one vs the other? Or just based on reputation? I’d like to hear your opinion on this.
@cthlhuАй бұрын
Great question.
@steveguthrie2550Ай бұрын
For me personally it’s how they drive. I’m not a VAG or BMW person at all, when I drive them I just feel like a passenger while the car is doing all the work. I don’t feel involved at all. Worst car I’ve ever driven was a DSG Golf R. Get me in to a Renault sport anything and I’m happy but I know there are so many people who hate French cars.
@Lewis_8Ай бұрын
I feel like the branding of the manufacturer plays the biggest part. I think that it draws a type of personality to like the brand that they want to be attributed to. But, I also think that this can fade in and out depending on the type of people you start seeing driving these different brands. A good example would be Mercedes. Again, broadly speaking they feel like they used to be about engineering elegance. Now the type of people that buy them tend to be blingy show offs. Great question though because I struggle to put my finger on it, even explaining what it feels like is hard to rationalise
@argusflugmotor7895Ай бұрын
I am a BMW person because I love planes (especially 1930s-1940s) and they made engines for them, but also I think that they make some of the best all round cars in terms of looks, performance, and design. BUT anything of theirs past the 80s doesn’t do it for me
@g.w.customcreations3534Ай бұрын
Try and work on a modern (post 2007) vauxhall, and you'll understand why anyone with a brain hates them. 😂
@josephkelly4893Ай бұрын
The bit where Clarkson unhooks the microphone got me, realised it was over, shed a tear for time gone by.
@kuraukАй бұрын
He's got a Z3 on chrome breeze blocks, sounds pretty accurate.
@Government-PsyopАй бұрын
Because you guys are talking about cars in rap, I got reminded of my absolute FAVOURITE Hiero track, Oakland Blackouts, where Opio says the line, "I'm clean, like brand new Momo's on a Porsche, and your shit is sittin' on rims" i know it's a bit of a "who tf asked" moment but uhhh yeah 👍
@michaelbrooks8332Ай бұрын
I remember Richard filming brainiac at my school, everyone even the teacher wer pering at the windows, meanwhile he was sitting chatting to some kids. That for me is what they were all about just three normal guys who just happened to be on tv at the weekend
@willmorey519723 күн бұрын
Lads i have never felt quite so emotinal while laughing at a car podcast absolutley love this and the tribute you gave the trio keep up the good work i bet theres a lot of people that live vicariously through people like you two that had the same dream as you guys as kids thank you ❤
@akulpurohit2235Ай бұрын
Managed to find John and it has TDC written all over it ! Excited if we do see it on the channel :)
@rooflessdriver68Ай бұрын
Back in the early 2000’s a friend mentioned there was a specialist car dealer near his house. We popped up on a Sunday evening and there was a white lancia Delta Intergrale in the window for £14k. My wife at the time said no cos it was left hand drive 😢😢
@liamwatts8597Ай бұрын
I had a little weep aswell... So much love for those three and you two!
@ethyhayesАй бұрын
Interesting what you say about top gear - I don't think you touch on it; but you shouldn't underestimate how many "non-car" people ended up with a mild interest in car content through that show. I love your content - don't get me wrong. But I'm not a car guy, at least I don't think you would class me as one. I drive a diesel Volvo and don't really want a project, I'm more of a bicycles and growing vegetables sort of guy lol But their chemistry was enough to make people who weren't interested in the geeky stuff watch. And it stuck with me and many others. I really love watching and learning from the "car guys", but I watch as much because I love your enthusiasm more than I actually care about cars. It's just lovely to see a bunch of fellas geeking out about stuff they love. It's a great vibe even if you don't like what they love!
@casaiaАй бұрын
Love this type appreciation. Hope you stick around with us geeks 😁
@kieranallen9892Ай бұрын
Everytime you guys upload, I click on that notification so fast I forget what I was already watching! Keep it up guys you're smashing the UK car content scene ❤❤
@otto_510Ай бұрын
The talk about car lyrics leads me back to the original Wu Tang Clan CREAM song. “Rollin in MPVs every week we made forty Gs”
@sebb.2623Ай бұрын
Finally, something good to watch today 😁
@daveyacarterАй бұрын
I have been watching you guys since car throttle days and I too am a car addict. I'm now 56 (17 in my head) and y first word spoken that anyone could make out was Lamborghini. I get the nerd levels on this podcast. Genuinely makes my drive to and from work bearable listening to this.
@samuelgarrod8327Ай бұрын
Will wasn't on Car Throttle.
@daveyacarterАй бұрын
@@samuelgarrod8327 Edwin was and Will worked there.
@turdle837Ай бұрын
14:40 "you like I, are cursed" This is why I love listening to you guys, you also have the quick and witty jokes that spice up the car talk with some humor!
@kernel_inpage_error25 күн бұрын
I am not a car guy, and my career path is completely away from mechanics - finance and co-hosting a finance-themed podcast. But watching TG and GT is what shaped the way my podcast is structured. The TG-like intro, gags amidst serious discussions, adaptations of British humor (though not that understandable for my country) - the trio is who gave inspiration for all this. They are genuine legends and icons for hundrends of content creators and thousands of people
@goose4150Ай бұрын
Chaps you really make me feel I'm present in your conversations, you're the only podcast that makes me feel this way, not even Alex and the other chaps managed
@endy262920 күн бұрын
14:55 hey that's me. Thank you guys for what you do
@alexanderghouri3763Ай бұрын
Gents, really enjoying these. Listening to them on the way to and from work on Australia! Love the main channel too and love that you are going to do garage updates because a lot of channels don't and I find it sooooo annoying. Also on the black wheels topic, have a look at some Australian 4wds that are modded up, it works I promise. I myself need to find a new set for my Hilux and it's either black, silver or bronze 😐 hard choice for a graphite grey ute.
@DavidAlanStanley28 күн бұрын
I do enjoy listening and watching you guys. I was so sad when Grand Tour rolled off to the sunset but did cheer up when their cars showed up back in the UK. To Evilution’s comment, is Will related to Nick Frost?!
@SuzJim99Ай бұрын
Nice to hear two articulate car guys. Can't say the same for The Auto A's - like listening to children
@AW_2000Ай бұрын
Yeah that’s pretty much the only reason I stopped listening to theirs, which is a shame cause I otherwise enjoyed it. Just can’t deal with all the shouting 🤷🏼♂️
@nzcabbage1923Ай бұрын
@@AW_2000 Part of the entertainment I guess. My biggest complaint with these channels is they all do stupid European cars it's like watching an American do up a mustang please stop being boring. Buy a Toyota soarer and swap a Barra turbo into it or something so sick of diesel bmws and
@DrBonesFolo28 күн бұрын
@@nzcabbage1923iiiiiiiiii disagree 🤷🏼♂️ i really like seeing "eurotrash" and its actually not that much BMW content here. JDM is very cool, but its not the only cool thing out there
@ryanh.bastian8853Ай бұрын
Though I am similarly afflicted I do feel the CREAM pod could benefit form some additional visual adds. With as specific as you lads are on cars putting some visuals up of the like C63 face life would make this even more digestible to the less afflicted. All the love lads I’ll be watching theses all regardless. Brilliant work and keep making all this fun stuff
@jamiehasted1265Ай бұрын
Have to agree with supercharged cars, my S4 is the first one I have had, and it is hard to look at anything else. Granted it is modified with an induction and scorpion exhaust, along with a custom map, so it's now making 460bhp, which means a lot of work to get it there, but every time you give it the beans, the supercharger whine is very very addictive. Also, had to edit this after hearing the argument, I also have gunmetal alloys (RS Style) but I have been thinking of gold...
@theotherbanksy4477Ай бұрын
You guys have a real talent for this podcast type stuff.
@marksaddler29 күн бұрын
I’ve got gloss black ZU alloys on my 2001 Defender, didn’t like the look of it in any other colour when I was mocking them up. Previously it has silver painted steel wheels and I wanted something completely different and seeing other Defenders of the same colour with silver alloys I didn’t really like the look.
@colinellis2051Ай бұрын
Just gone back and searched the Top Gear laughs video and despite having seen it before I'm still sat here with tears of laughter in my eyes. It is definitely going to be strange not having that trio on the same show anymore. For me Richard seemed like that one who maybe wasn't quite ready for it to accord.
@spazztastic6246Ай бұрын
My take on the BMWs is that sadly der neue klasse is most likely going to be peak modular design (you can choose the same model for ICE, hybrid or electric). It could be great but I can see the likely compromises for all types (the powertrains) in order to be able to easily fit all of them into the same chassis. I have no basis for this other than my observation of german manufacturers in the past few years.
@nigel4054Ай бұрын
Loving this podcast. Hopefully some of the references to the main channel will become more timely in the future, otherwise perfect
@edmurthАй бұрын
Edwin is right about black wheels, I’ve got an M140i shadow edition and the wheels will have to be changed even if it’s just a colour change as I quite literally despise them 😂 Before every car came with alloy wheels we used to put wheel trims on to cover the black steel wheels behind them because they look shit, nothing has changed they still look shit and Will is completely wrong 😎
@DnBPrkOvrRaceАй бұрын
What about diamond cut ones? 🤔
@edmurthАй бұрын
@@DnBPrkOvrRace better, I had a Polo GTI plus with some but I'd still sooner have a silver wheel.
@filipwennergren2712Ай бұрын
Really good pod guys! 🤘🏼🇸🇪
@iceninja46Ай бұрын
Hello youngsters. Cream was a band in the 60's with songs like Sunshine of your Love etc. Fyi... 😇
@michaelbrooks8332Ай бұрын
I'm with you my love,
@harrysmbdgsАй бұрын
TGGF is probably the funniest thing I've ever seen on British television, there is something funny in every frame but you have to be watching closely to see them all. Andy Wilman is a comedic genius of a producer! It's available on KZbin, well worth a watch.
@LordddieselАй бұрын
The dpf removal on a m57 330/335d, I bought a manual 330d e92 coupe and it was brilliant, and decided I wanted to delete egr, swirl flaps and the dpf. Simple you would think. I did the egr and swirl flaps with no issues at all until I came to remove the dpf and you have to remove an engine mount to get it out, simple enough you think. Not the case! The 4 bolts that hold the engine mount to the block are pretty much impossible to get to. And you can’t see them. Got it done though, never again I thought. Ended up getting rid for a 335d and it had already had all the deleted done so I thought great. Until I started to get smoke coming from the back of the engine, coming from the damn dpf. So I’ve got to do it allllllll over again send help😂
@themattelmore01Ай бұрын
The supercharger noises are killing me🤣🤣
@GlenAshtonF1Ай бұрын
I also am craving a W204 C63 AMG, coupè only though, have been the past couple of years and I plan to sell my MK2 Focus RS for one next summer. Disagree with the black wheels and silver rim though, i think thats the best look on the C63 personally 😎👌
@patrickmartin3322Ай бұрын
48:05 they did also sell the Escort in the US, the 1st gen American one was the 3rd gen European one , the 2nd gen US one was a 2nd gen Ford Laser, and the 3rd gen was its own separate thing
@joemama-jsg28 күн бұрын
Te37 look good in matte black. Especially on a black car. Especially when they're staggered and with good fitment
@krismac7695Ай бұрын
Love black wheels on some cars but I also like the silver and greys etc. Coloured wheels are very hit and miss. Gold wheels only look good on Subaru Impreza's and 911s. There's a Porsche dealership near where I work and outside atm is a dark green GT3 touring with gold wheels and side stickers and I have a crisis every time I drive past it 😬
@kez2kАй бұрын
Cracking podcast once again lads.
@KJames1229Ай бұрын
Question for 'The Forum'... What's the difference between a small block and a big block? And is it possible to convert a small block into a big block? I could search on Google, but I’d rather hear it from you. Thanks!
@joshmerrick4716Ай бұрын
I’m with Edwin on the black wheels. They don’t look good unless they’re on a murdered out g63 😅 And I’m with Will on brightly coloured wheels. Unless they’re banded steels
@thebritishbiker819728 күн бұрын
was working in my nc mx5 when you talked about removing them form existence, in that moment i agreed
@billymonkey111Ай бұрын
Jeremy looking at the convertible Renault espace and falling to the floor laughing is my favorite
@fanman8222Ай бұрын
the end of the last grand tour episode absolutely broke me. that hit so deep
@RichardWarden83Ай бұрын
Nice something to listen to cheers guys keep it up 😊
@ConnorHammondАй бұрын
It's true. I am a content creator for Meguiar's, Mobil 1, and brand specialist for Elf in Australia. All thanks to Top Gear blowing my mind when I was a kid.
@kevhavardАй бұрын
Rented an rx8 for a road trip from Tokyo to Fukushima. I've plotted the route to include as many touge as possible 😮😂❤
@joshualamp2438Ай бұрын
The lighting is fantastic.
@darrenwilson8042Ай бұрын
I am as old as Clarkson and May and enjoyed the early TG stuff - as I got older with them I just found it all annoying because I knew as an old fart there was stuff going on due to a contractual obligation rather than the funny spontaneous it had. For me for the last decade or so it became a motoring Last of the Summer Wine as in god is this still going on. What they failed to recognise was that years ago James assembling stuff and building the biggest Airfix Spitfire and Hammond doing his documentaries was the way forward - as for Clarkson the history stuff, the St. Nazaire Raid and his father in laws VC showed where his talents lay going forwards - for me as odd as it may sound they all missed their respective boats there.
@SpectrumofSmartsАй бұрын
If you don't know it check out "500 Benz" by joey badass. You'll definitely vibe with it
@joshbailey9313Ай бұрын
Forum questions: Tools.. how did you get them all? (Obviously buy them but how they are so expensive) also what tools do you need to start working on your car
@struanmilne2455Ай бұрын
Loving the podcast ❤. Will it be uploaded on Google podcast / KZbin music? 🎉 cheers keep up the class videos 🔥
@Stuart9616 күн бұрын
TDC listen to old school hip hop 😮. We need a TDC playlist! Need more old school recommendations
@jonasheldhansen806928 күн бұрын
Interresting thing if the Honda Jazz never existed i dont think i would have noticed. They are everywhere I live, but i only recently fund out they exited.
@blainetomsАй бұрын
had a similar chat with a mate back in like 2015. we came to the conclusion that from a life value perspective, the trio have to have had close to the best jobs/careers of all time.
@josephgardner6577Ай бұрын
I used to daydream about sitting on the couch being interviewed as the "average guy in a reasonably priced car," Thank God for Samsung TV it plays too gear 24/7 on the too gear channel and prime streams them all as well.
@JuanPabloMonje27 күн бұрын
I have a suggestion for next week's car song: I Wanna Be Yours - Arctic Monkeys. They mention the rust on the Ford Cortina as a point of comparison.
@SithhyАй бұрын
I agree about the black wheels, hardly any of them actually look good & spending a lot of money on "stealthy"-looking wheels is just dumb. Altough, the best looking black wheels I found so far are the MSW 30, only because they have silver accents
@HometownUnicornАй бұрын
Okay it's sad about the top gear guys. But you guys are the future. You are doing it now. The future is KZbin. There's no need to aspire to be on television. You guys are going from strength to strength. Your channel will get bigger and bigger. Everyone followed you from where you were before. Look at you now
@mikeyBIAАй бұрын
I watched every top gear episode a million times over on Dave. I watched every GT episode as soon as they came out. My dedication has been unrelenting even with the GT not being their best work at times. 100% felt like I had been punched in the stomach at the end. Top gear will always be my youth.
@TomGuitarMediaАй бұрын
One of the worst jobs I've done so far... Clio 172/182 starter motor. Had to change it 3 times. After the first, I paid a specialist and they were impressed that someone had managed it 😂
@BigSkyC0untry28 күн бұрын
Can we just appreciate Will’s American accent 😂
@AverageMax13Ай бұрын
Question for the forum: How does the BMW naming scheme work? How do people know what car you're talking about by a 318 compared to an e36? It constantly confuses me but I'm in too deep to ask
@bawssnarmz5204Ай бұрын
I cant be the only one who loves seeing ben on the channels lol....Big up Benjamin every time 🔥
@filipwennergren2712Ай бұрын
Just a thought. It would be nice if you cut in som stills of some of the cars you're talking about?
@tomgreen87629 күн бұрын
you should discuss Monte Carlo by Struggle Jennings, Clarkson used it in the final special too and i havent been able to get the song out of my head.
@olliegage361626 күн бұрын
Good bar from JME integrity “ See me in a 6 cylinder 3 litre 2 turbos ragsin it out”
@baoboumusicАй бұрын
14:25 I don't give a crap about cars, besides occasionally teasing my BMW friend or my Ferrari friend. But I love watching car shows that don't take themselves too seriously.
@charvell1984Ай бұрын
sorry Edwin, Will is correct. Black wheels can look good on many cars, but the calipers must be painted (I prefer a fire engine red but any brighter color will do).
@ZzekkooАй бұрын
Ghetts has a sick part of a verse about cars, “Golf GTI Mark 1 That's how long I've had cars from MR2's and MX-5's R-E-A-L, better recognise”
@demokid2000Ай бұрын
Loved Top Gear (CHM) but I have always liked James May. I guy I would like to have a beer with :D
@jrbuchАй бұрын
The W204 C63 AMG's were so popular here in Australia. Drug dealers car of choice when new. Or a rich man's SS Commodore - Aussies love a V8. I can't see the same infatuation with the new 4 Cylinder turbo C63.
@BiglumpADVАй бұрын
Ah the FTO, saw it the other day on a trailer south of Cambridge. No doubt it was that car, couldn't miss the thing! lol
@rnbmeisterАй бұрын
I was so pleased when Will said the Merc ML. Killing the bloodline of awful crossover/SUVs which are shit to drive, shit to look at and shit to be hit by is exactly what I was thinking when the question was asked.
@JamieHayward-wn8nyАй бұрын
I would get rid of the new Ford Capri as that's just an cash grab on the nostalgia of the Capri 😱
@charliemacklin7017Ай бұрын
I went to watch top gear live when I was about 12-13 I then went to see clarkson Hammond and may live when I was 21 I then went to the Premiere of the Grand tour in London and met Andy Wilman. No one can understand the importance the trio had on my life
@tomforrest781428 күн бұрын
This is great keep it up 🙂
@bobpie444Ай бұрын
to add to the black wheel argument i am with Will on this. I have a blue defender with black accents and black wheels. Silver wheels would look shit and if needed i can send you a phone of it to prove it looks great with black wheels XD
@michaelbrooks8332Ай бұрын
The very fact that you can refer to them as the trio and 70% of people know who they is testement to the way they have changed the world. I quote shows all the time, my favourite is just to shout hammmondd at colleges.
@Dkmode1Ай бұрын
Black Weller steels or deep dish steels are amazing in black
@somethingpeculiarthistimeАй бұрын
Could you please add this to Apple Podcasts also?
@davidbirchmore4385Ай бұрын
I'd delete a Nissan Juke or the VW Fox
@danbuckingham5077Ай бұрын
if you lose the Fox, you'll lose the Top Gear car football episode
@grahamjgreenАй бұрын
The car I wish never existed: Tesla Cybertruck, close second Pontiac Aztek
@jasongleave355Ай бұрын
My favorite Gene hunt and top gear "keys to the Quattro"
@daisyleedham227525 күн бұрын
Here’s one for Edwin, on Collecting Cars as I type this is a red with black wheels V8 E92 for £6800. I wanna know his feelings. Also if you have about £15k to spare there is an R32 and R33 GTR up there too. Both need importing from Australia, but the 32 is a V-Spec II and the 33 is a V-Spec N1. If someone could buy me the 240z that’s on there too that’d be great 👍🏻
@sniperjettps4626Ай бұрын
With the grand tour finale I was dying of laughter at the train cars and hammond going backwards, but as soon as they found the lancia and Mercedes, scripted as it may be, that broke me, there were tears
@danbuckingham5077Ай бұрын
Awkwardly DriveTribe themselves did a video a long time back saying that those cars were still in Botswana, and they also did one explaining what happened to the Source of the Nile estate cars.
@Samael78Ай бұрын
I would say the production team knew and so made the route so the boys would pass by. Did they know? Probably not.
@sniperjettps4626Ай бұрын
Those cards were found in Botswana a few months before filming, the production 100% set it up, but it doesn't make it any less powerful
@atevalveАй бұрын
All I'm thinking about the argument at the end is classic cars looking so good on stupidly wide black wheels. Putting a set of black Watanabes on a 70's Datsun or big black stock car steels on an old muscle car and it's just the best thing you can do to them.
@DemianHutsell-rp3lpАй бұрын
Z31. Metaphorically speaking, the engine compartment is akin to an undersized container, overfilled with shards of glass and rusty metal. Reaching into is only pain and shredded flesh.
@khaaaaaaaaaannnАй бұрын
I think Clarkson described driving the Bentley as "going sideways in Blenheim Palace" 😂
@chrisaris875626 күн бұрын
I am very glad I have my Jag FPace SVR. My list is VW Beetles, mini, anything BMW, Tesla, Nicolai Tesla was a total fail. Once he got away from alternating current he spent the rest of his life wasting other people’s money trying to fire electricity through the air.
@uhhh-yeah568Ай бұрын
I agree that some black wheels CAN look good but that they will always look better in a non-black colour