What is it like racing a worked 450 at 145 pounds? - "A 450 barely knows I'm on the bike! - Gyps...

[@joemate418]

get carson brown on the show!

[@leethomas556]

Man, I'm 37, haven't been able to ride since 2012 but now I'm 60 pounds lighter at 150 now and just got a 250 after spending all my time on 450's since 02 and I'm not sure I'd want a 450 anymore

[@NOPPYify]

K

[@KosmicHRTRacingTeam]

At 150? Probably not. At 200, I’d go 450

[@jasonschwartz9481]

@@KosmicHRTRacingTeam I think it depends on your goals. As a 44 year old who's just under 6' and weighs 205ish...a 250 works fine. Of course, even when I raced as a teen I was never the most technical rider. So, I'm sure my riding style has a ton to do with it.

[@dasnicenoob6140]

@@KosmicHRTRacingTeam I think a 350 is where it’s at but there’s no reason why a new 250 with race mode shouldn’t be enough

[@idecidenotyou]

150 at 37.. are you starving..wtf..

[@therealjd1503]

Great podcast with Cody, much love!!

[@devinwright131]

I’ve done that same perfect start as Carson at washougal on my 250, front tire never touched the ground lol. Felt so good.

[@supergremlin6261]

Can’t wait to see coty on a factory bike next year.

[@supergremlin6261]

250 I mean. Like to see him on a PC kawi or Star bike. Or shit give Michel Lindsey’s team some of those factory Hondas that the Lawrence brothers been killing it with all year.

[@andrewwilson1811]

Agreed. He definitely deserves more factory support. If his bike didn’t stop working at southwick and Millville. He would have finished in the top 10 overall at both of them. GET THIS TALENTED KID MORE FACTORY SUPPORT. Btw Coty grew up 2 minutes from where I live

[@KosmicHRTRacingTeam]

@@supergremlin6261 honestly, I think the CRF has been holding them back a bit. I kinda think they are looking forward to the update

[@aidynbatley5423]

I can relate not weighing alot, im 14 and weigh 105 lbs and im 5'7" so my 125 (2t) will just pick up on the front like im not there at all and it take alot of energy just to get it to lay down in the corner. esp in school boy 1 and 250 C with the big boys in my class. But it is what it is I guess continuing to work out will help

[@brucefile7430]

Wardy was around 150 lbs riding a 500 cc two stroke back in the day! He was in amazing shape and was strong enough to hang on. Go back and watch the 1987 millville 500 national between Wardy and RJ. He was absolutely flying down some of those straightaways. To see how fast they accelerated out of corners was amazing...

[@MountainManKm]

These guys are talking about 4 strokes right? Because a 250 to stroke is comparable to a 450 four stroke right?

[@brucefile7430]

@@MountainManKm yeah, thats the way they see it.

[@MountainManKm]

@@brucefile7430 I personally like 2 strokes over 4 strokes. They do what a 4 stroke does in 2 strokes.

[@brucefile7430]

@@MountainManKm me too!

[@MountainManKm]

@@brucefile7430 I just finished rebuilding a vintage 2 stroke. 1989 RMX frame and gas tank but it has a 1988 RM250 engine and plastics, its the faster engine between the two. I guess RMX was trail and enduro and RM was motocross. What do think it's worth, I have no idea but it's very very clean, looks like new and I'd say 85 percent of the bike has new parts.

[@johnnyskied]

I moved up the bike scale pretty fast....never raced just rode a lot growing up. Rode my 1st bike, an 89 XR80 from 9-11 and then got a 1986 YZ80 for a year when I was 12. Jumped up to a 91 KX125 when I was 13 and 6 months later my older brother upgraded his CR250 and I already wanted more power. I sold my 125 and bought his 91CR250. I think I had just cracked the 110-115 lb range. I'd ridden my older bros 89CR500 by that point too. 115 lbs on a 500 2t is about as noticeable as a fly landing on a horse😂 Most of our riding was dune riding and open desert. I could put that 500 into 4th gear and lug it anywhere I wanted to go at Sand Mountain in Nevada. 1300 vert sand hill climbs were no match for that bike. Didn't even need paddle tires.

[@johnny_eason_iii]

Totally rad 💪🏼💪🏼😎💯

[@knolysjohnson7244]

Coty is a smart dude! Goodluck to him for the rest of outdoors :)

[@moparone7962]

Jeff Ward was around 140 and he was racing a works kx500 (sr500). Wrap your head around that.

[@ronk6553]

450 has way more juice than a 500 two stroke

[@moparone7962]

@@ronk6553 I have a CR500 with an fmf pipe and a 2021 YZ450F and the 500 will wear you out more because of power delivery

[@KosmicHRTRacingTeam]

Yep. Jeff was a good friend of my Bro’s (he even bought his MXDN kx125 off him, well technically off of Kawi). Not only was Jeff super light, he is very short.

[@vaughanhodgson]

The 450s have more pull

[@danferguson1807]

I love my 450 I'm 57 . 60 kg the power is perfect 2019 crf 450 only thing the holeshot button can only do 1st and 2nd gear I miss my 3rd gear starts

[@Marcelo-cc3dj]

You must be the guy who ride 5 min motos fosho😂

[@danferguson1807]

@@Marcelo-cc3dj lol never get to moto and yes vets over 40 normally 5 laps hold on for the last lap haha

[@KosmicHRTRacingTeam]

Curious why this “450 issue” was never such a big deal when RC, bubba and even VP were around. Is it that the bikes are just that much more powerful (10-15%) and that much heavier (10-15%) now? All of those guys were pretty light as well

[@Mountain_Yeti]

Honestly the opposite: they are so much more linear and “rideable” nowadays. I don’t get it either. I love my 450 because I know I’ll never outride it.

[@KosmicHRTRacingTeam]

@@Mountain_Yeti ya, but part of the HUGE complaints we keep hearing is that they are saying they are coming into corners way too fast and it’s much harder to get the bike slowed down (faster and heavier?) and get it turned (heavier?) and so the constant heavy braking is wearing them out. We do hear issues of the power ripping their arms off (like mentioned, never heard Bubba, RC or VP bitching about this stuff) and with the parts that factory teams have, I’m not sure the bikes back then couldn’t be tuned to be just as linear if they wanted (some basic carb mods did wonders for this). 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@seashackf1]

Ryan Hughes talked about how the tracks today are too smooth and maintained too well. Whoops not sharp anymore, too rounded off. So they are carrying more speed everywhere. I’m sure the factory bikes have also improved significantly since RC retired in 2007. Combine the two and I think that’s why people are saying they’re too fast for current tracks.

[@KosmicHRTRacingTeam]

@@seashackf1 good points. Also, we seem to hear the pros talk much more about it for SX and less in MX and seems like we hardly ever hear the euros talk about it (maybe since their outdoor tracks are so much different than ours).

[@seashackf1]

@@KosmicHRTRacingTeam check out the Ryno interview with Gypsy, he talked about how different Mxgp is from here. Tracks there are much more technical, and riders here won’t do well on them. Also heard a mxgp rider say tracks are very different, they don’t scrub….ever. Tight corner straight into triples.

[@bobscott117]

Marvin musquin weighs 140! Big or heavy riders are rare especially champions.

[@69yourmamma]

Ask cooper Webb he is 4”5

[@ronk6553]

4 inches 5?

[@MrSilus2000]

I didnt even realize they made 350s

[@konzy.]

i havent ridden since 85 days over a decade ago, never ridden 4 strokes. im about the same weight so should i look at 125s, 250s or 350s?

[@MountainManKm]

Just never buy 4 stroke and keep being a man. Buy CR500 and wide open throttle 24/7 dont let off that bltch. Get a 250 2 stroke they still compete with 450 4 strokes.

[@19Jharris]

What if he was in a man’s era CR 500 can he do it

[@xrickel559]

450s can get you in trouble quick but there also way easier to save yourself on. if your a physically fit dude anyone can handle a 450 if your talking weight vs a 250. imo a stock 450 is the easiest bike to ride.

[@KC-gf8is]

im 130 and ride a 450 on trails lol that bike rides me

[@racerx2084]

Would do better than forkner is this year. Had to say it. He was one of my tops this year but dude hasn’t even got a chance to speak on the mic.

[@denniswilder3014]

The bikes have been the same weight for years.and it isn't much money to get a bike to ama minimum weight and the weights been the same for a long time.if you look at the lap times on most tracks that hasn't changed the layout much the lap times are close to what they where 15 years ago.it comes down to who is mentally and physically prepared that moto.450 is not too fast guys are just not prepared and are off a little then the next guy

[@bobscott117]

The weight thing is bullshit It's training and talent. Most motocrossers are not big guys to begin with. Who is the heaviest factory rider and how much does he weigh 170?

[@banjoqc]

Marchbanks is 195 lol

[@sexatica]

@@banjoqc I wonder how much peick was as that dude was big and he was fast as

[@unconditionaltruth6564]

If 450s are so much faster, why do the lap times not show it?

[@Purified_6r]

bc 450s take more finesse and 250s are more often than not just wide open so it’s way easier

[@stevehartwell1861]

Stewart was 155. Power to weight, even up to 200lb rider doesn’t change much, it's in decimals.

[@KosmicHRTRacingTeam]

45-50lbs is a LOT

[@GYPSYTALES]

like a lot a lot

[@stevehartwell1861]

@@KosmicHRTRacingTeam maybe when talking ice cream. Do the easy math. It's not alot, you simply believe it.

[@stevehartwell1861]

@@GYPSYTALES that's a no. Do the easy math of rider and bike weight/ HP. Adding 50 pounds and the results are in decimals.

[@KosmicHRTRacingTeam]

@@stevehartwell1861 actually, it is an incredible amount of weight when you are talking about such light bikes. People make a huge deal about a KTM being 5-10 lbs lighter and that is lowering in the bike, body weight is much higher up. I happen to race Karts and we have a weight minimum, if you are just 1 pound under, you are DQd. No questions asked. Period. We Try to get within 2-3 lbs when we are done with the heat or main because if you are 5lbs up, it makes a difference. Weight makes a huge difference as far as lap times go, there is no debating that. Even guys in F1 get weighed right after they finish to meet the requirements, and we are talking about cars with over 1000hp!!!

[@kawigang_2444]

aj is only 140

[@hotdogsoltero571]

At 145 lb I learned to mx on 1982 yz490 😬

[@MichaelAMyers1957]

"" I'm cool with jet an Hunter OBviously " like we're all supposed to know that or something

[@GYPSYTALES]

Well ya know now

[@MichaelAMyers1957]

@@GYPSYTALES wyd

[@theboogieman401]

Get Ronnie Mac 🖥

[@tonychambers6275]

Love these videos but would love a £1 for every time they say like, I’d be a rich man 🙏

[@BZMikey88]

Y’all really arguing about weight lol

[@adamjones8156]

First

[@VincentAmbrosioSalad]

Good for you

[@topher804]

@@VincentAmbrosioSalad yeah I'm so stoked for him. What a go "getta"