What Is +P Ammo & Should You Use It?

[@DeathStalkerAlpha]

i use +P Diddy ammo. it causes emotional and traumatic mental damage that affects the target, causes years of therapy to recover. i think its on par with hollow point

[@christopheralbano7862]

But if you survive do you get to have a successful career in Hollywood?

[@derekkt49]

I heard + P Diddy ammo includes a rebate for 1,000 bottles of astroglide.

[@modus_operandi2508]

Buy 500 rounds get 1 free IV of b12

[@DV77737]

Hahaaaahaaaaaa

[@stage2jr]

You use baby oil for lube too?😂😂😂😂

[@COFlyTier007]

5% faster seems pretty nominal compared to 20% increased recoil. Like was said, don't want to be hit by either but if increased recoil causes slower follow-up shots, +P doesn't seem worth it. Interested to see gel test.

[@John_D67]

Good content. I use Gold Dot 124 +P in my 43X. Slightly increased snap but more than manageable.

[@azndood]

+P is worth it in a subcompact to get the same ballistic effectiveness compared to a full size running regular.

[@kveltman4672]

IF the gun is up to it. Would suck to have something blow up in your hands because it wasn't rated for hotter ammo.

[@Daniel7.62]

If the cost is the same then I would go with +p but if +p cost more than I really don’t see enough difference to justify the extra cost.

[@bigfatfloppydisk]

Just stopping power, makes hollows expand a bit more

[@DarkSlayer487]

Test the Critical Duty vs Speer Gold Dot vs Federal HST. Both regular versions and the +p version.

[@juansalvatierra3675]

Shot placement will make all the difference! Thanks Kaya!!!

[@jeremywhitmer9237]

50 fps isn’t really a whole lot more more a 25% more recoil impulse. Speed is king but remember accuracy and putting rounds on target is in my opinion the best.

[@lectorj]

Maybe better/consistant expansion with a little more speed. But ya i would expect a bit more for the additional price.

[@jamesnorris7101]

+P got the gun twerkin 😅

[@dennisl4000]

Not a lot of difference. The key factor is bullet performance. Referencing Lucky Gunner's testing of the 124 HST & HST +P there was not any difference in penetration and only a few hundredth in expansion. So take you pick, my experience is about 50 fps in the two. Yes, I do prefer the +P but not a lot of real world difference.

[@Range_Unknown]

Let's see that 135gr +P Critical Duty vs regular 147gr HST. I'm aware one is barrier blind and the other isn't. Just would like to see a direct comparison.

[@gymreaper1728]

Hst standard pressure shits on critical duty or defense +p ammo.

[@DanTheWolfman]

Hst does just fine in barriers too while much bigger expansion be that 124 or 147

[@gec-o2167]

Gold Dot 124 gr. works for me in my G19 - don't need the +P.

[@d.archerofficial]

Exactly

[@codyreece9044]

Gold dot +P casings smack me in the forehead when ejecting out of my 365xl. Talk about tactical distractions. Immediately switched back to standard pressure rounds.

[@Thomk121]

I carry federal premium HST 124gr +p. I practice with the cheapest 124 grain ball ammo that I can find. Usually Blazer or Magtech.

[@davidb9323]

How far off is your zero with 124gr vs +p loading ?

[@toddtzm]

I run +P 124 HST in my CR920XP. Comp handles it just fine. Minimal recoil as the comp gets to be more effective vs non plus.

[@Josh_Sklar]

I carry gold dot short barrel 124gr +p for my shadow systems cr920p because well, it's a short barrel so the powder burns quicker

[@bushrat1949]

My belief is that with additional pressure comes added recoil resulting in additional wear on the firearm. There will also be an increase in cost per box of 20 rds. Your choice as to whether these increases are worth the slight additional penetration and expansion. Be sure to fire several boxes through the firearm you will carry to check accuracy and function. Appreciate the discussion on the difference between standard and +P ammo. Looking forward to gel tests.

[@Florkl]

Xtreme Defender 68 grain 9mm+P has pretty much the same felt recoil as the 115 fmj you use for plinking, and is totally sufficient for self-defense (imo even better than hollow points). It means I can train for my ammo without needing to break the bank. And the lower recoil is nice.

[@srivera824]

In a self defense situation you need shot placement with quickness, 60 fps more doesnt compesate the 30% more recoil you going to have, specially if you train regulary with fmj ammo

[@-Zevin-]

Totally agree, only case were I like +P is hardcast bullets for bear defense. I still carry 9mm for bears, and the extra energy is definitely worth it to maximize penetration.

[@Zorcky-2C]

I play at 165 fps, does it make it better?

[@srivera824]

@@Zorcky-2C sure it does! 😂

[@DanielMorgan-x2q]

If you train with +p and Cary regular 9 of your choice would follow up shots while carrying the non +p be quicker?

[@RightClickAnxiety]

I like the Inceptor ARX bullet in +P. It's a 65 gr. frangible lead-free round. So it carries light, no lead exposure, no rounds that miss are gonna go through a barrier. Light, so it shoots flat with low recoil. The +P doesn't make a difference with it. It's a solid defensive round. I've shot bone-in pork shoulder with two layers of denim, so I'm happy with it's performance. Check it out.

[@gospeed81]

Can confirm...watched video 4hrs after posted, went straight to website as soon as mentioned, the DoCs were out of stock LOL

[@Rundu1987]

In the 90's we did not get +p and +p+, all the ammo were just smoking hot. Especially Norma, Cor Bon and Sako.

[@kevinrichardson8859]

Corbon in the 99s WAS +p!!! They also had a manufacturer called Triton!

[@gloriamaletta8667]

Federal 115 grain JHPs 9BPLE +P+ has been around since 1990 and is still available today and at 25 dollars for 50 rounds is a cost efficient and pretty effective round that in my experience has been extremely reliable and dependable and at 25 dollars you can afford to shoot 50 rounds out of your carry gun to check function and reliability before trusting your or your family members life with a round you only shot 1 magazine through the gun I'd say shoot a 100 rounds of it is 50 dollars worth your life this round goes 1150-1170fps in a 3 inch barrel 1210-1240fps in a 4 inch barrel 1260+fps in a 4.5-5 barrel these kind of bullets JHPs work much better if at least traveling 1100fps or more with 9mm yes in smaller 9mm guns it has some recoil but functions flawlessly

[@IMABEAST191]

Yea corbon was extra Caliente

[@pjbarney9580]

I only put in +p ammo in stuff with a barrel longer than 10 inches. the difference is negligible an most handguns as far as performance. recoil increase is not worth it. Ironicly enough the only gun I have with a 16 inch barrel is my Sub2000. that's the exact ammo I carry in it... hornady 135gr +p ftx critical duty

[@_beck7598]

I use Liberty UltraLight +P. It leaves the barrel @ 2050fps, and can penetrate level IIIa body armour. I dont use it in my carry 3.1" barrel as it's a little snappy, but I love using it in my carry 4".

[@therichie9916]

Hard to base this off of one brand and weight. I can vary by a larger margin with other loads. Personally I pefer non +p with good projectile construction like HST and Punch by Federal.

[@stephen6720]

I carry HST 124 +P and Underwood Xtreme Defender 90gr. +P. Hornady is not top tier, IMO.

[@williamryan9195]

Would you recommend going up to a higher spring weight in your weapon using plus p regularly . Would that help with better recoil management? Or the opposite?

[@MichaelSisley-fw3xr]

I use +P Speer Gold dot bullets but I load my own. I carry a G19 or a G43X depending upon how I am dressed and where I am going. If you can manage +P, do so. I cannot quantify how much better it will do. However, more velocity is better and makes foot pounds of energy increase. The only gun I will not use +P ammo (handguns) is my 1911. It is not rated for it. I do not carry that gun anymore.

[@brucecook502]

And by the way I honestly didn't feel much of any difference or higher recoil shooting Federal HST 124 grain +P through my Hellcat then I did most standard pressure range ammo that I practice with, and even found Federal American Eagle 124 grain ball ammo to have more snap in my Hellcat than the +P hst's

[@rezzdogg6331]

I use a xmacro and with the “comp” I didn’t notice a difference in recoil when I used +p. With that being said why do you choose 135 gr Kaya?

[@peters303]

EDC Winchester 127gr +P Definitely feel its +P charge Shoots very flat and accurate SIG Sauer P229 Legion

[@noneyabiz8225]

I usually use regular rocks when I thrown then at others but use gravel when I am really mad....

[@mikeorick6898]

The Hornady 135 +P load performs/scores better in the entire 40 shot 8 event FBI test series than the 135. That's not necessarily the case with other bullets. Some actually perform better (or what the FBI considers better) at standard pressure. Both may perform/score well enough, but the +P may perform better in shorter barrels; that's not always the case either. Training ammo should handle like duty ammo, but there are lots of reasons why that doesn't happen for everybody. Some PDs Q with duty ammo, some do not. Shooting Blazer Brass 124@1090 and carrying GD +P at 124@1220 may help you miss when it counts, or not. Or Blazer Brass 115@1145 and 115 +P+ GD at 115@1300. Or most range fodder v mil-spec/US NATO 115@1325. As an aside, guns sprung for NATO loads (usually 115-124@1220-1325) may not run as well with loads outside those specs. Guns matter too. For many, +P, +P+, and NATO is way easier/softer to shoot in a full size or compact gun than a sub or micro compact. How you shoot is usually more important than what you shoot.

[@edwardpate6128]

After shooting my S&W Shield in 40 S&W or my Charter Arms 357 Magnum snub nose 9mm +P no biggie!

[@user-tl2wz5xr1i]

Why 135 ?

[@TheGarry1962]

Plus P was actually designed for small guns under 4 inches. Mostly for hollow point bullets to ensure flowering.

[@tristananthony8134]

Might sound silly but I shoot +P ammo mostly in my steel frame pistols because I believe they're built to endure that type of pressure compared to polymer frames. I'll shoot +P in polymer frames, but very rarely of course.

[@mma709]

I use underwood extreme penetrator 90gr plus p plus

[@BionicBurke]

+P was originally made for SMGs. It may be a little spicier out of a pistol but not as spicy as they are with their intended platforms.

[@douglasbunch3313]

Whenever I feel like paying extra for unused excess gasses from my CCW guns, I always go +P 😅

[@georgeviscarra1510]

I would like to see g9 defense external hollowpoint ammo compared to other 9mm options

[@Blue-cq2hl]

I opted for regular for my normal because the +p was only a 40fps difference. I don't view it as that much of a difference personally. Being able to handle it better seems like a better trade off unless there's a bigger impact. But I'm talking like 1480 VS 1520 on mine lol

[@mhmt1453]

I carry +P, but I never shoot it at the range because of cost alone. I know I should at least train with the ammunition I intend to defend myself with, but I’ve been a big-time .45 aficionado for around 40 years. Up until about ten years ago, my carry gun was a snub-nosed .357, so recoil is not really an issue with me. It’s just that as a retiree on a pension, it’s much more economical for me to practice with standard ammunition.

[@gingerd4321]

For self defense I see a lot of heavy grain rounds then the opposite also very low grain like 90 grain ammo and 135grain like critical defense. What are the benefits of each and what recommendations do people have on carry ammo? Heavy grain or low grain like the 80-90 grain norma and underwood penetrator? Thoughts 💭

[@sgtmarty]

Ballistic gel, would love to see 9mm Hornady Critical Duty, Critical Defense, and G2’s RIP. Maybe throw Federal Syntech Defense ammo in there.

[@christopherscott932]

Garand thumb did a video on this exact thing. The short answer is gold dot +p hollow points is the best ballistics wise

[@jamesmikoliczyk1381]

Interesting vid, I went with some +P for both my full size and micro (same ammo used in the vid). What I found on the range, the full-size recoil was just a little bit. The micro was much snappier. Both of which I expected. I felt in both, the ammo itself was far more consistent round to round, box to box than the typical range ammo I’ve run. I’m sure there’s plenty of other premium ammo that are just as good, if not better.

[@Waldomountainman]

If I am not mistaken you should check your guns specifications prior to firing +p and especially +p+ to make sure your gun can handle the extra pressures and not blow up in your hand. This might be important information to include especially for those with older guns. especially

[@richardlacourse2944]

He did mention it.

[@adunbar6784]

If you’re gonna do plus P on 40 caliber or plus P plus which I know he said isn’t officially regulated why not just get a 10 mm. It’s not on me that it was issued to him, but that’s not the point.

[@Tattooed_Mexican]

What ever happened to the ballistic test you wanted to do with civil defense 2200fps? You had a theory it would have colateral damage with over penetration. And that it wasn’t safe.

[@DV77737]

the +P ammo in 9mm is usually shot by people that really want a 45acp. Not all, but most folks

[@stevenbain8798]

Would have been nice to see a s&w fpc thrown into the test. Thanks for posting

[@alphaa7682]

3:02 diamondback DB9 its rated for plus p and is smaller than the hellcat

[@SirClicks.]

Question, is the better terminal ballistics from plus P worth having less rounds on target? I’m fairly new shooter, and currently I just carry federal HST. I would say I have moderate skill and I’m trying to figure out if plus P is worth the slower splits.

[@OldSolidSnake]

I have a 45acp handgun that can run over 30,000 +P ammo and only needed an o-ring replacement @ 20,000 rounds... such a badass gun...

[@wizardofahhhs759]

Ok, we believe you 😉

[@jammbbs1688]

Simple answer is yes but +p+ is better

[@gunsfugitivessecurity8357]

In the terminal performance area I really don’t see a 50 fps increase doing much difference, I have also seen ballistics gel tests between standard and +p and there isn’t any noticeable difference in performance, the only thing I see different in performance is between the lighter stuff 124 or 125 grain that’s not Hornady, there’s a slight bit noticeable difference between the standard and +p. Personally I like the 135 +p for my full size guns and the 124+p for my compact and subcompacts

[@brightbkh07]

Please show Underwood Xtreme Defender +P 9mm in ballistic gel! I also would love to see the Xtreme cavitator 30 carbine in gel too!

[@Lineman99]

I run winchester ranger t series 124 grain 9mm +p

[@OhItsThat]

What is the best 9mm for home defense?

[@Olivehollow]

G9 Defense EHP is the best 9mm ammo

[@rushthezeppelin]

Same. The bonus with the solid copper rounds is they shot softer too. Thinking about trying +p in the shield carry comp I just got. Supposedly the higher pressure actually makes the comp work even better.

[@Olivehollow]

@@rushthezeppelin that sounds like a winning combination!

[@thomastune776]

Plus p is to compensate velocity for barrel lengths less than 4 inches.

[@hansporras3364]

I carry +P in my P365Xl and can’t really feel the difference. I also have large hands.

[@MSaadKhan-v3h]

Can I use my baikal vikking mp 446 to shoot +P ammunition

[@xraybambam]

What’s your thought on a PCC with +P over regular 9mm?

[@Plugbestfriend]

My ruger pcc only likes +p ive noticed anything else stovepipes… fml

[@theonlysavaage]

Once I started using +P, I never looked back. 230 grain +P hits hard and doesn’t have as much recoil (in my opinion).

[@dagetheone]

what ammo you recommend for practicing at the range

[@danefuentes3877]

The cheapest one you can find. Buy alot.

[@Dan-t8y]

I carry Hornady +p in my duty gun but it’s a full size Glock 17. Probably wouldn’t want it in a pocket pistol.

[@CarnivoreAF]

.357 Sig for the win!

[@kevinrichardson8859]

With 357sig you don't need +p 😂😂😂😊

[@CarnivoreAF]

@@kevinrichardson8859 Underwood.357 Sig is already beastmode!

[@kevinrichardson8859]

@@CarnivoreAF any 357sig is beast mode 💪!!!! Nice high pressure high energy round!!

[@EzraMable]

I have a suppressed pistol that will only cycle reliably with +P. It kind of negates the suppressor a bit. 😂 And, oh, the smoke! More experimentation is needed. 9mm S&W M&P 2.0 with the Banish 45 in either short or long configuration

[@EzraMable]

I see that you have the same gun but without the extended barrel.

[@heyjohnson5535]

What kind of velocity would u gain with the plus P through a longer barrel like the diamond back 9mm. If u going to add extra powder u gonna need some extra barrel to burn it all i would think. But i love +P

[@ghostshadow9046]

factory +P isn't what it used to be they downgraded the pressures of +P. mid range reloads are higher FPS than +P loads, going to the upper ends of SAMMI pressure loads are considerably higher FPS. the mid range charge for 9mm is almost 50fps faster than the hornady critical defence +p.

[@RRGunner83]

We ran 124 with the regiment and had plenty of stopping power.

[@v.german11b]

What regiment?

[@danefuentes3877]

@@v.german11b Obviously he meant the Dograh Regiment. Units of the Dogra Regiment have fought in all conflicts that independent India has been engaged in, making it one of the most prestigious and most decorated regiments of their Army. What OTHER regiment could he possibly have been talking about. It is obvious.

[@v.german11b]

@@danefuentes3877 Take your Clozapine, quick! This video is not about ANY regiment. None!

[@XrayMike17plus1]

Hornady critical duty 135gr +P is 'OK'. I prefer Gold 124 gr +P or Underwood 124 gr. +P. Just some guy's 2 cents worth.

[@MegaFranceschini]

I'm thinking of buying an FN 509 EDGE CC XL. Is it right to use +p ammo for this gun? would you recommend it for this type of gun? Thanks, have a blessed day

[@albertr96]

Yeah thats a good one , the barrel is designed to run +p regularly . So is the p365 also. It sucks not every 9mm can run +p all the time such as other sigs but the 509 would definitely eat it up everytime

[@martinfletchersandiegoca7523]

When Johnny’s reloading tested them, the non plus shot hotter that the +P he was using Speer though I think

[@rickhunt3183]

Think about it. If you need a higher pressure cartridge for your caliber to be effective. You might want to step up to either a bigger platform or consider not shooting at whatever is causing the problem and start running.

[@JustinCredible_Edibles]

147grain Underwood hardcast black cherry coated +P hunting ammo.

[@larryphillips4164]

Test the black super light liberty civil defense +P versus all the other ammunition in gel plz.

[@Patriotx-gx4ce]

10%.power increase? The 45 cap I shot in +p Hornandy critical duty felt like shooting 10mm. Full 4 inch barrel bit more recoil but its called working out and being strong.

[@papabear8708]

Test the Underwood Extreme Defender 90 grain +P ammo in your ballistic gel test please.

[@MegaFranceschini]

Thanks for that tip. Appreciate it. GB

[@whatsup24_7]

147 grain is the best 9mm weight

[@DjKaykoe1]

Not that much difference in speed . Personally I would just shoot regular and save on the recoil and save a little money. Shot placement is more important to me but everyone has their preferences

[@HenkduPlooy-ym3ed]

Love the video. Greetings from South Africa.

[@keithj9165]

Normal, since I like to train with something similar to what I would use

[@rogerboughner7842]

9mm ammo gel tests. How about some Norma 65 grain NXD.

[@siege2928]

+P sadly isnt a hard standard. Typically though, +P is 2 additional grains(measurement) of powder and +P+ is an additional 2 grains of powder on top of +P. This means depemding on what type of powder is being used different additional power is being provided. All in all, any weapon worth carrying is rated for +P use and some are even rated for +P+ like HK.

[@PrinceOfTheCity1]

I mean in a self defense scenario it probably makes sense even in a 43x for example… for many different reasons.

[@Catgat37]

In something that small, yes. I run Hornady Critical Duty 135gr +p in my HK P30SK. With the shorter barrel the +p gives you close to full size barrel velocity.

[@Rogertaylor5949]

Also your barrel has to be rated to handle that extra pressure of the +P

[@williamsaldanah3554]

Andrew Dice Clay discusses +P on classic firearms this week only!🤣🤣 Please forgive me, I’m from NYC, great video as always!

[@brycepalmer4061]

So for more recoil (harder fallow up) you get like 50 fps? Why?

[@Glocktuah]

If you’re going to use +P. Diddy ammo make sure to use Johnson and Johnson. B.Oil to keep those cheeks tight on your 9mm pocket rocket

[@MF-zj3zl]

When in doubt? The owner's manual comes out.

[@BornagainBloodbath]

This would be a great long form video for yall to do with more plus p ammo and more guns

[@brandonwaddell2583]

Ok….this is creepy, I literally bought 135gr +P Hornady like 2 hours ago

[@Glocktuah]

Dude, nobody cares

[@brandonwaddell2583]

@@Glocktuah and yet here you are sweet cheeks…nice username

[@HVSJR-n5q]

Smaller hands with arthritis. Chose regular ammunition and a metal gun with the lowest point I could find. Was even thinking about a leadsled light. No red dot; irons and tritiums. I want something in the dark not just enhances light. Also critical duty and not critical defense should get better penetration. Duty is not supposed to expand as fast. It’s a different bullet.

[@juansalvatierra3675]

Not enough of a difference to make a difference :)

[@neverobey1477]

+p for winter carry!

[@lectorj]

Maybe more of a difference with a lighter 9mm-plus p and non plus 9.

[@openeyes-cz]

Great episode