🗣 What is Quiet quitting? & why it's prevalent in tech culture

What is quiet quitting and why are people doing it? In 2022, we see a "new" phenomenon in work life post-pandemic (well, not yet POST-pandemic but hopefully getting there). Working in tech companies my whole career, I share my insight as to why this is pretty common and prevalent in tech culture.
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Reiterating a point that I don't think some people are understanding - quiet quitting does not mean doing nothing. Quiet quitting means doing your minimum, and the "minimum" is still doing your job well. The minimum in tech is still a VERY high output; not doing more just means not taking on extra projects or tasks that don't relate to your scope just for the sake of doing more. This is looked down upon because the tech culture expects you to ALWAYS do more than what's required of you. Hope this clears it up.
Please note I am not a representative of the companies I have worked at and all opinions are entirely my own.
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[@JoshuaFluke1]

YESSSSSS

[@Sakurambo]

Josh???? hello????? 🥲

[@thogameskanaal]

This really is right up your alley. Glad to see you here :D

[@JoshuaFluke1]

@@Sakurambo great video, make more!

[@magooshpremium5236]

Would love to see you both collaborate on a skit.

[@beyondthecodeeditor4894]

Josh has entered the chat

[@sandramish2229]

A lot of truth here. Yes I quit last year after almost 14 years in the field. It was not an easy decision, but life is too short to dread going to work everyday. No amount of money can buy real happiness, but friends I'm not asking you to resign from your job or abandon your business but be wise!

[@gracedaniels6172]

Yes I don't really like my job but I love what it provides for me and my family. This pandemic has people rethinking working

[@sandramish2229]

@Anushka Anushka right now I run my own business and While I was still in service I planned towards early retirement, making about 3k weekly from my retirement investment portfolio trying so much to build more side hustles and extra income

[@sandramish2229]

@Anushka Anushka there's a lot of investing options but my best advice get a professional lead you into profitable one that's exactly what I did

[@sandramish2229]

I work with Rachel Blanc, her services are cost effective and very efficient. I recommend her to anyone, anytime any day. she's really great You can do your own due diligence

[@eiraantoinette6793]

This is a very valuable info thanks for sharing Sandra I've really learned something new here

[@BGP369]

Hustle culture is working for the dreams and aspirations of the company shareholders, nothing more. Very glad to see younger generation starting to realize this.

[@steverogers7601]

Gary vaynerchuk feels like one of the culprits of perpetuating hustle culture to an extreme.

[@Aubatron]

But of course, these businesses are made and ran with the intention of making a profit. It is why most of the time you shouldn't feel like you owe them anything, and move jobs whenever it benefits you. You'll always be working to make someone else money unless you take it upon yourself to freelance, get a government job or start your own business. Most people lack the discipline to start their own business though, they'd rather put the bare minimum into being an employee for instant gratification now, then complain about it.

[@danielbowlds3873]

Yep and "multitasking" is essentially doing what used to be 2 jobs but getting paid for 1.

[@ursinegrubby916]

Working for a company is like everyday arriving at a cult. There is a lot of BS you are expected to get swept up in. To be promoted you are expected to really embody the BS. I often feel the bosses have lost themselves in it. If you point out realities they can't see them through the rose colored BS glasses they have made part of themselves.

[@C5North]

You must work were I work. Spot on.

[@paldeusjaco9657]

So true, im going through that now. I try "try" to mention this would be better but of course the PHD Master boss, manipulates it to be like this is the only thing that is valid...do it or be fired. I liken it to just grabbing someone off the street to fly a plane...imagine that and think about it for a while.

[@fashionforwardfellow]

Spot on!!

[@BillLaBrie]

Once you see it as BS, you can’t unsee it as BS, and thus begins the downward spiral.

[@MichaelNiteRealEstate]

This is where grit and a strong mind come in to break all that nonsense down. Think about every single great invention or innovation..takes a team, a common culture, intelligence and serious skills to get shit done and get it done right. You want to simp and cry about soul crushing jobs and not do anything about it? Thats entitlement. get off the internet and maybe don’t go out lol

[@ismaeo1]

Working remotely made me realise I did not want to waste hours of my life commuting. So I'll always opt for working remotely, for as long as I can.

[@Sakurambo]

Me too. Working remote 100% now and it has changed my life for the better drastically. It's not for everyone, but it works for some :)

[@simplelivingbulgaria3662]

Me too!

[@Bombshellgaming_]

I want to work from home so bad. One of reason I’m considering

[@MrDarthvis]

Recently, I don’t know why Google, Facebook and Musk are saying wfh ppl are slackers! We’ve shown during early Covid that work still gets done! Wfh especially helps where office ppl can just stay at home, and the traffic is greatly reduced. It gives lab workers that have to be onsite, less commute time. Overall less office drama also helps everyone.

[@volrag]

@@MrDarthvis I suspect they have significant investments in professional real estate. It's one of the main arguments against wfh becoming the norm since it will utterly devastate the price/rent of offices. Also I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of useless managers struggle to remain inconspicuous when the team works from home.

[@tanalson]

Hustle only works great if you're the owner of the company. With hustling, you see the company grow and expand. But of you're not the owner, don't bother.

[@Thecruisingrancher]

As an early GenX/late boomer, don’t buy the company line like I did. Your life matters! This old dog finally learned! Enjoy a healthy work/life balance.

[@vivianriver6450]

Thanks for these kind words. I was raised by a businessman from the Boomer generation and he simply doesn't understand what it's like to work for a salary.

[@bobbrian6526]

doing the minimum to get by is not quitting in any sense, it is exactly what companies do on their side of the bargain - they give you minimum they can get away with to keep you

[@pigozs]

I've been quiet quitting for the past year and my boss has never been happier with my work 😂

[@georgevue8175]

In technology I can only work as a consultant/contractor in this capacity I don't get involved in the internal politics/gossip or trying to impress anybody. I simply do as I am told & get paid for every minute.

[@doingtime20]

I work remotely for a USA company even though I'm not american. Omg, the boss just pushes and pushes more, he wants to squeeze even the tiniest bit of work out of you. Everytime you think "well I've gotten really good at this now I can relax for a couple of minutes" he comes out with another way to squeeze out those 2 extra minutes. This is what the extreme of competition and free market has brought us to, squeeze people to the bone, you are just a machine. Why did I mention I'm not american? Because I believe most americans don't realize how much their life and culture revolves around work. Your identity is work, your time is work, your body is adjusted for work (think of running as a way to handle work stress), your mind is work, etc. Of course anyone can live their life as they want, but is it worth it? To what end are you even working so hard? Life goes by so quickly, do I want my 'life' to just be memories of me stressed out in my house behind a computer? I don't think so. We can do better people, push for unions, push for reducing the wage gap, push for quality of life instead of more senseless competition.

[@napoleon2564]

Been doing this since 6th grade lol. There is at best a slim chance that working extremely hard will pay off in a big way, but it most likely won’t. Getting a B average in life takes about a quarter the effort it takes to get the A. The rest of that energy goes into me, my hobbies, friends, etc.

[@sysdollarsystem]

Yes! This! At school I did well - but I enjoyed school and learning stuff. University, the same - I remember my parents asked whether I was "ready" for the next year and I gave them my club and social life schedule - studies hadn't started by then. About a year into my first IT job I was talking with a colleague and he had the work / life balance down to a fine art. Go home and immediately change clothes and in the process purge work. Return to work and re-engage and work until the end of the work day. I followed suit and that was that. Work at work and then stop when you are off the clock. I don't really agree with this - absolute minimum - idea but I can see that if you have become indoctrinated into a culture where all your time is company time actually rocking up at 9 leaving at 5 might feel like the absolute minimum but that's just doing your contracted obligations which is all you should be doing unless there is some directly attributable compensation for anything extra. In my first IT job I persuaded the company to change from Lotus 1-2-3 * Wordperfect * dBase (??) to the Lotus Smartsuite - $1600 per seat to $500 x 60 users. I saved them $66000 in one day, in my first month of work, but was payed $15500 a year. A thank you. here's a one time $6000 bonus for your great help!! That'd motivate me ... and anyone else saving the company money . But of course I got nothing and I'm sure the IT director took all the credit. Since then ... you pay for this I do this. I'm pretty good at what I'm paid to do and have been lucky enough to enjoy doing it but I'm not going to "give away" the only thing I can't get any more off - time! I remember once being asked if I wanted to do overtime, I said "no, thank you", the manager said "you'll get time and a half" ... I said "that's fine, no thank you". The look I got was shock ... hey, hey extra money!! I just wasn't interested I lived within my means and didn't really have need / interest in extra.

[@rebeccagrace1509]

🤣🤣🤣 Yesssss😏... I had great attendance bc I wanted to see my friends all day everyday... we had way too much fun WHILE getting great grades and being #1 in all our sports... we got good grades so we could KEEP OUR FREEDOM TO PLAY PLAY PLAY... 😏 n THAT is the American Dream People... Have More Fun... and MAKE.SHIT.FUN!!!!

[@asajayunknown6290]

I graduated 3.93 in math/comp sci. Hustled for the first 30ish years. After getting kicked to the curb multiple times over the years due to mergers, etc. I just don't see the point of being "exceptional" anymore. I'm gonna cruise to retirement, if I can pull it off😎

[@elfacun550]

very bad if you want to accomplish big things in life that you love, very good for working in companies and finishing highschool lol.

[@hansscheltema3348]

Some of the best things I did were to grab corporate clients from a big corporate courier co.

[@adamtki]

Hard work doesn’t get you recognition and rewards unless that work is focused on making the right people connections and with your manager. When I look at the people that get the platinum or gold awards at work, I know 90% didn’t do anything special except make the right connections.

[@Yourdaddy_2024]

This! Well said!

[@VeRonicaMitchell-ii1pm]

Facts.

[@apophis456]

This whole video makes me feel so validated. I’ve always viewed myself as a 9-5 guy, I go to work, I do my job and then outside of working hours my time is mine (barring any emergencies of course), but people look down on that in the tech industry. All anyone in tech wants is someone who lives and breathes tech and that’s just not healthy for anyone. Work to live, don’t live to work

[@Sakurambo]

100000% 🤝🏽

[@JoeMac1983]

As a 1 year veteran of "quiet quitting", I can say with absolute certainty that it's best to just quit. It's not worth it to your physical, mental, and spiritual being to live in constant resentment for long periods of time. Quitting is liberation. Quiet quitting is like a slave thinking that he's sabotaging his master -- the master is still the master and you're still the slave, no matter how you slice it. That only ends when you actually quit.

[@Sakurambo]

100% agreed when people have the means to quit. I only felt better after taking a break and switching to a job aligned with my career goals + better work life benefits.

[@andreav2125]

@@Sakurambo Yep, the means and opportunity. I mentioned upthread that I am 53 and have ZERO desire to work for another company, instead I'm working on starting my own business which takes time. I just do NOT have the motivation or inclination to dust off my resume again and start over at some job I don't really want.

[@roxannesmith4519]

Until you’re forced to get yet another job

[@JoeMac1983]

@@roxannesmith4519 Start your own business and dedicate yourself to it fully. I started my online business in 2018 while working a job full time and worked on it every night after I put the kids to bed for 3 hours before I went to sleep. Slowly and steadily it grew. My job (boss, actually) was unbearable and the compensation was terrible, especially with the inflation over the last 2 years. I spent all of 2021 in total resentment after one department got a cost of living raise and my department was ignored. I immediately "quiet quit" and went from the most loyal and hardest worker (I developed electronic systems on my own time in 2018 to increase intra departmental efficiencies that were adopted by the corporate office at all the branches, for example) and I turned into the worker who wouldn't do anything on the job unless I'd get fired for not doing it. The resentment that year was terrible for my blood pressure and anxiety. Thankfully my office was on the opposite end of the property from the boss and I started bringing my laptop to work and just spent 5-6 hours of my day working on my business while on the clock. By November of 2021, I had replaced 90% of my job's monthly income with my online business (and I had saved every penny of my online business for over a year which covered my bills for months and months). Before Thanksgiving I packed my stuff in my car and all my tools that I bought that should have been provided to me and went in his office and politely asked about a raise and was literally laughed at and dismissed. "With the economy like it is, no one is getting a raise." I simply said, "well, this is how I thought it would go." I turned around, walked across the property to my office, left the keys on the desk, deleted the KZbin channel I had built for the company on my own time (that showed the other departments how to do our job if there was an emergency or if we were off property) and changed the master password on the software program that was used that took our company from the paper age to the digital age for the last 3 years. Now they'd have to go paper again until someone replicated what I created. I jumped in my car and was liberated. Since the only other guy in my department was hospitalized with Rona and wouldn't be returning until late January, they now had 2 months without my department and no one to train a new person. My boss called me on the way home and I screened his call. He called me again and I picked up. He asked "WTF?" I simply said, "Your actions, and lack of action, have consequences. Good luck getting by without us. BTW I'm no longer an employee so I will be removing your number from my phone and will screen your call from here on out. Have a good one!" Now, I'm making more than I ever made while working a job and I do it in my robe at the dinner table. I'm NEVER going back to a job. This economy and poor management are causing "brain drain" in the workforce. Anyone with intelligence and ambition is finding a way to escape the job market altogether, and they wonder why they can't hire anyone. We're done with their BS and done with being exploited. We're not lazy like the media suggests, we're taking advantage of the options that the internet gives us.

[@grownupgaming]

But it takes courage sometimes

[@andreav2125]

Long-time quiet quitter here. I'm 53 and definitely work in a toxic environment where I have been wrongfully mistreated a couple of times so badly that it led to PTSD. They killed my confidence. It's taken a long time to start building it back up, but it's finally happening, because I have dissociated from the place and am focused on the rest of my life. WFH (now permanently hybrid) has done that for me - my WHOLE LIFE is no longer about this place. I am not interested in working for anyone else ever again, I have a dream of starting my own business but it takes a lot of time. So here I am - putting in my time and doing a "very good" job, but have ZERO interest in "climbing the ladder" or becoming some kind of middle manager.

[@roxannesmith4519]

Me too. I have zero confidence and self belief due to traumatic work experiences

[@TheRosswise]

If it makes you feel better, you are hardly alone.

[@BurtDavis]

I do love that this is not a new thing. If the company that you've invested your time and labor for, only cares about the bottom line, then you lose your motivation to do your best and give your best. I used to give the company so much of my personal time, and didn't really care about it, until I got a new boss that was a clock watcher. He harassed me enough that I quit giving the "free" time and just clocked in and out per the requirements. They definitely lost in that deal. Why give extra when it's not appreciated? I get paid the same if I work my ass off, or get just the minimum done.

[@jonhowlett4011]

This is exactly how I feel right now. Life's too short to burn yourself out. Just be happy. Live your life and love your friends and family. Enjoy the time that's been given to you. I mean, no one will ever lay on their death bed wishing they had worked longer hours. Or at least... I hope not. Great video!

[@murraysaucedo897]

I’ve been quiet quitting for the past 5.5 years long before the pandemic. actually now that I come to think about it probably longer than 5.5 years, somewhere around 2015 is when I began quiet quitting. I've worked for 3 different companies since and the last 2 I've been quiet quitting since day one. I’ve come to the conclusion this is all complete absurdity and I just don’t have the energy anymore to put up an act. I don’t love tech that much or anything as a matter of fact. It helps that I'm a minimalist and live extremely frugal so whenever I get the axe I can lay low for a few months and not have to do anything.

[@Sakurambo]

putting up an act is so true. I feel that especially in tech, ambition is really high, and everybody feels pressure to "show" others that they're working hard. I've felt this a lot myself.

[@emerson-sheaapril8555]

Okay if your quiet quitting since day one, then that's not the company that's you.

[@robbiebouchart1551]

You probably have adhd

[@gsmithstudio1]

Bingo same!!

[@Wingydingy01]

@@emerson-sheaapril8555 all companies will eventually disappoint you. Why waste the energy?

[@CaedenV]

I think for a lot of people in the IT field... we worked a lot of overtime through the pandemic. Some of it we were paid for, and some of it was just getting stuff done so others could do their job. And when we all went back to the office, we were then expected to keep up that same pace while adding back in all the office chatter, commute, etc. We are all just tired and burnt out.

[@bobfane4365]

I worked field service at a tech company where several of my coworkers quit. For 3 months I was the only tech. I had worked there just long enough to where I stepped up my game and kicked a$$. When the service dept was restaffed, and I x trained them. I kicked back, as I was fried. The a_hole owner noticed, and I was soon fired, but later re_hired. Work is Bs. Nothing but back stabbing and politics.

[@patrickadams7120]

It's a lifestyle choice.....either you work to live or you live to work.....i have never earned much more than minimum wage my 35 year working life....over half of it i lived to work trying to climb the ladder but here's the thing i was too good at my job,the people i trained ended up being my boss on 2 seperate occasions with 2 different people so i made a conscious decision....i made peace with being screwed over and i let it go and decide that i was going to work to live so my job became an income and not a career. I am truly happier now than i have ever been and it truly is a choice that you and you alone must make....work to live or live to work

[@jgmatp]

Tech worker here (software dev). 1:36 hit home big time! I haven't had a promotion in a decade. In the last decade, I've been re-org'd at least 10 times (reported to new manager each time). As a result, all of the people I started with 15 years ago have been promoted past the position where I am (none of them were re-org'd THAT much). I've tried to get promoted, going above and beyond, just to get told "you're almost there, but not quite yet. give it 6 months", and then I got re-org'd in that timeframe and then started the process all over again with a new manager. What a waste. I'm done with that. I've decided to match my performance with my current level and absolutely forget about any promotion whatsoever. Tired of the runaround. I anticipate I can retire in about 3 years and I am sooo ready. Quiet quitting sounds really nice. That is my only sane option. My lack of promotion is now a badge of honor

[@Sakurambo]

The re-org is unfortunately SO real. I empathize with you. I've had 7 managers in less than 3 years and I'm exhausted of having to advocate so hard for myself. I'm sorry to hear about this and I hope that you get what you feel you deserve.

[@siengheng7384]

Sound to me you were too good for your job, that is why you never get promoted. If they promote you, they would have to higher 3-5 people to do your job and often with higher pay because most company Acquisition rate/pay is higher than their retention rate.

[@Joelsef]

This is me too

[@oraoffice9562]

Did you try changing companies/jobs?

[@paraax]

For what it's worth, it's not exactly a secret that to get ahead in tech you have to actually change companies. They simply do not prioritize existing workers at the same level as attracting new people.

[@tawnygirl2000]

This resonates with me because during the pandemic the bosses hired more managers, despite the fact that our department is understaffed. Now people are quitting. The managers aren't hiring because they don't have time to train. It just doesn't make any sense to keep going above and beyond when you just get more projects and tighter deadlines.

[@asadb1990]

never work harder when presented with more deadlines. start setting new deadlines you are not a robot.

[@moonmilk15]

Weird, we must work at the same place.

[@ruixu42]

Sounds like a public hospital too...

[@kikiy2972]

Thank you for addressing the high expectation! I just had my annual eval, I worked my butt off last year and got an AVERAGE rating from the upper management, and was told that this is what most people get. You won't get exceptional recognition unless they want to promote you. I just lost my motivation because it doesn't matter, I could do minimum work and get the same salary increase, so why work harder than I need to?

[@ordinaryhuman5645]

I was told in my first year with my employer that the highest rating (exceeds expectations) basically required walking on water. I've been happy with "meets expectations" (the next highest rating) since then, and I've been promoted several times. No need to kill myself to fail to get a better rating IMO.

[@umarthdc]

I worked 10 years as a freelance graphic designer, it was something I loved, but I had to work until late at night, weekends and all, fighting with the clients that wanted me to do ugly designs or get things done overnight. Recently I got a job as a QE in a tech company, now I enter at 9, exit at 5 and forget about it until the next day. I feel a peace I haven't felt in decades, and ironically I have more time to do illustration than ever before. Boundaries between life and work have to be clear and healthy to enjoy life.

[@cyforce77x]

Just curious as someone that's also a creative freelancer. Did you go back to school to get to where you are now?

[@pamelacastro32]

You said the magic word: boundaries Totally agree changing assignments can improve the situation. And yes, not everyone wants to deal with politics to want to climb the corporate ladder.

[@bashirauwal5825]

After nearly 9 years as a registered nurse, I retired two years ago. It was not an easy decision, but life is too short to dread going to work every day. No amount of money can buy real happiness Lol. But, friends, I'm not asking you to quit your work or forsake your business, but rather be wise!

[@bashirauwal5825]

@Olivia Jayden While I was still in the service, I prepared for early retirement, earning roughly $2,000 per week from my investment portfolio and working hard to establish new side hustles and extra income

[@bashirauwal5825]

@Brown Jones There are numerous investment options available, including real estate, exchange-traded funds (ETFs), stocks, and cryptocurrency, but my best suggestion is to hire a professional to guide you through the process

[@bashirauwal5825]

@Brown Jones I recommend the services of Jennifer James, she's a licensed financial expert and she has been very helpful in my financial journey

[@bashirauwal5825]

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[@cyynt7]

I just gave my notice in yesterday. I will soon be leaving the corporate world after 16 years. This is one of most difficult decision I’ve even done, but my health was impacted in a very negative way. I’m burnt out, stressing and completely drained at the end of each day. I have no plan whatsoever but trusting that GOD will provide and make a way. Wish me luck 🍀

[@MrAgmoore]

Build a tiny house and rent it out on Air BnB

[@chadwickhell]

How have you made out?

[@sourabhjanawade9776]

Same here currently serving notice period. Hope you are doing well.

[@DeidreDevelops]

I work in a technical role at Uber and the imposter syndrome thing is SO true! It's like you question your intelligence and competency because everyone around you excells so highly so you wonder if your best is good enough.

[@Sakurambo]

Absolutely. I heard some good advice the other day: “if you couldn’t do it, you simply wouldn’t have the opportunity.” You were chosen for the role because people think you would be great at it. This is what I try to tell myself now when I feel like an imposter 😂

[@balaji1980]

I've observed people who are good at presenting their work. Poke a little deeper and they start becoming unsure. When someone talks confidently, it might appear as if they know a lot. No one knows everything, most people are just good in their respective silos. If you feel others know more than you and are excelling in their work, you may be somewhat right. But understand that you will also know things that they won't and you can excel in your own work. Just keep learning and increasing your skill level. Showcase your accomplishments and talk confidently. That's how you beat the imposter syndrome.

[@DeidreDevelops]

@@balaji1980 Thank you so much. That's the plan!

[@modernpicasso_]

@@balaji1980 that makes sense, people tend to focus on how to "perfectly" present their work - but more importantly, they also need to prepare and practice how to deal with questions that they do not know the answer to. It is okay not knowing how to the answer at that moment in time, but there is also a good and bad way to respond to it during a meeting or presentation.

[@billymania11]

Good comments on quiet quitting Sakurambo. In fact older people agree with most of what you said. The days of companies thinking that they own you and can tell you what to do with your life is coming to an end. Another aspect of this is requiring employees to work in office buildings. Nobody wants to go back. I think we've proven that work gets done remotely.

[@neveser]

A lot of truth in this video, thanks. There's no doubt I've started 'quietly quitting' without realizing it. I work in IT and I'm on call a lot. Due to some team members leaving, I've been on call every other month now since the beginning of the year or so. Constant phone calls interrupting my evenings and weekends. I had some trouble taking a vacation in July for my birthday. I was actually asked if I had internet at the campsite so I could work while on vacation.

[@luminyam6145]

Wow, I have been doing quiet quitting for years and just didn't realize it. Nurse here, I only give a damn about the patients, that's it. I loathe the hospital corporation I work for, I loathe the whole atmosphere. The patients and my closest coworkers are the only thing keeping me there.

[@asadb1990]

yeah me too. im in construction management. and i just focus on doing the work provided. i could take opportunity to learn but that results in overtime which i won't do. so i found what will work better is doing work at another company by applying for a promotion type position.

[@mikemetague7973]

Yes. Healthcare U.S.A. is so managed and layered with managers. The ones who really do the work-work are burnt out, and top mgt. is so clueless -- being so many layers away. Quiet quitting sends the message to top mgt., eventually, as corporate stock $inks.

[@kirstenjones5331]

Also in healthcare and am so burnt out. I show up, take care of the patients, do the minimum on the required paperwork, and go home. Don’t talk to me about a promotion. I’m too smart to take it.

[@Sakurambo]

First of all, thank YOU and all the healthcare workers, and the essential workers who don't get the recognition and support y'all deserve. I'm so sorry to hear you're hating the workplace. Your patients are lucky to have someone who cares.

[@claudiacanales2662]

Yes thank you for caring for your patients! I know what you mean about the layers. It’s sad but the reality is that most jobs start to wear on you after a while.

[@Rdixon1203]

I thinks it’s funny us millennials are simply naming stuff that’s always been a thing- but GenX & Boomers we’re too embarrassed to admit and discuss. You’re right, no one can go 100%, 100% of the time. Nice video!

[@Sakurambo]

definitely, by all means this is not "new" but we definitely grew up in a culture of expression (maybe even oversharing on social media, haha) and I personally think it's good we can talk about it!

[@Rdixon1203]

@@Sakurambo yep, totally agree. I love that we’re calling attention to stuff like this!

[@JulioReguero]

I have been “quietly quitting” before quiet quitting was a thing. And funny enough, the quality of my life improved and I made the most money since I decided to take on high hourly paid contract jobs instead of committing to full-time jobs just to have dental. And of course, I only work from home, which makes me more creative and more productive than ever before, and I’m able to complete assignments in less time. It’s really a no brainer. Once a 3-month or 6-month contract is over I take 1-2 months off for me-time and spend more time with family.

[@terran008]

I agree with you, not everyone wants to be perceived by others as successful, they just want to enjoy their work and have good work-life balance. Thanks for the video 😊

[@orneryoverwatch7031]

I'm in IT and I've noticed this in every job I've had. Mgmt just wants to complain because, yes... technology and all it's new toys are expensive, and what do you know? So are the employees you'll need to hire to maintain all that equipment! What happens? You end up doing the job of 2-3 different people (sometimes performing tasks entirely unrelated to IT) and it just starts to wear on you. At my last job, for example, I had a director complaining to me over Microsoft Teams that so-and-so wouldn't contact them about something, and I politely asked "oh well have you tried messaging them? Here let me show you how..." and they sternly told me no they haven't, as if to say "no I won't budge". Finally I was like "....do you want me to ask them, and then get back to you?" (while in my head thinking all I'm going to do is message them on teams and get back to you here in 2 minutes or less). It's stuff like that... like we're not here to act as an intermediary when you don't feel like talking to someone... we have a job to do, too. Most annoying part is companies just don't (and I mean they really don't) understand how to deal with burnt out employees. When I talked to my mgmt they just kind of shrugged and said "oh well... we see you have a week of PTO? Why not use that?". But then you just leave, and by the time you're starting to mentally re-bound, you're back to work at the place that is causing all the issues and stress. The final straw was when my boss got onto me saying "why did you tell people you're burned out? It's a bad look for our dept.." and I said "what's the alternative? Bottle it up inside me and keep drinking myself to sleep every night?" I'm not saying ANY job is perfect or without it's headaches, but the longer I'm in IT, the less valued I feel.

[@Thiago_TT_MIA]

My motto is work smarter not harder....while making the most money as possible

[@diogocarreira5079]

I appreciate the more nuanced look at quiet quitting. I just worked too much before and a switch flipped in my head after my dad died, to have a better work life balance and I'm far happier for doing it. I will work over some times, but only was needed. When previously, I'd just work over as my form of hussle culture. I'm still productive and happy with my workplace, but now I also have a more fulfilling home/family life. As far as working from home, my girlfriend was an overnight ICU nurse during the pandemic. I was the first to be made to work from home to reduce the office's exposure, totally fair by the way. But my computer was in the bedroom in a small duplex. So I slept and worked in the same dark room. I had to keep it dark and quiet for her to sleep. I spent 16-20 hours a day in the same room, with no option to go anywhere when I was off. It felt like prison to me. I recognize others' love of it, but I do not want to do that anymore.

[@Sakurambo]

Hi Diogo, thanks so much for sharing your story. I am so incredibly sorry for your loss. I'm glad to hear you're productive and happy now in your workplace with a good balance of your life outside of it. Totally understand the WFH -- I think it's definitely not for everyone, and being able to do what suits you most is important.

[@anniealexander3402]

I think a lot of people are quietly quitting at work but working hard at their side gig. I began investing in real estate when I realized my hardwork would never be rewarded while working for someone else.

[@MH-gg9fz]

Working hard and showing how smart you are, especially if you outshine your boss is counter productive. So, quiet quitting probably is the best way to go.

[@02JAN1970]

Nothing new to me here. I saw it in the Army almost all my days. We called it ROAD - Retired On Active Duty. The more things change, the more things stay the same.

[@_helmi]

It’s like the universe is sending me this message. I’ve been quiet quitting since 2020 when I realised I was gaslighted so bad by my bosses that I had to seek medical help for my depression. As I’m coming out from it, the guilt of not being able to be as productive as before looms me everyday.

[@Nelphoto]

This is me 100% at the moment. I've been overwhelmed and extremely burnt out. I've been distracted at work and not having a good work life balance. Up till now, we've been extremely short staffed with management expecting the same results as if we were fully staffed. We are a paper heavy team and we are swimming in work. I've only been putting in a minimal effort, because everyone else was. My coworker and I got into it today about it. I'm wanting to find something new, but nothing pays right now. My plan for now is to work 12 hours a day 7 days a week to get myself caught up and get serious about job hunting.

[@siengheng7384]

wtf 12 hour a day 7 days a week is the equivalent of nolife, do you want to no life.,

[@handledhandlehandlinghandler]

If you are open to unsolicited rando advice, I'd like to offer just this one idea. Put that time you were going to put towards your current job into finding another employer. Unless the 12/7 pays quite a bit more and you are saving up a nest egg to support you during your job hunt.

[@b4ph0m3tdk9]

Worked really hard, did brilliant solutions, wrote it all down, showing it to the yearly negotiation. It was always rated "average" because expectations to me was sat really high because I always did so brilliantly. I heard others got high rates, so knowing how they do I guess the expectations for them are not as high.

[@antalwahlers3574]

In Germany it is called "innere Kündigung" - "inner/emotionally quitting"

[@genxx2724]

In the U.S. that’s known as “disengaging”.

[@Danster82]

One thing that will have to be addressed is the artificial lack created through the money system and capitalism which demands everyone keeps working, (essentially to service interest payments on ever increasing debt.) Unless there's structural change in society dont expect to stop working as a salve, at least the majority of people cannot anyway, its an impossibility within the current system.

[@dpbass8898]

I’ve been working in an intense industry and a lot of the things you said resonated with me (feeling guilty for not giving everyday 110%, feeling guilty for taking days off of work, feeling guilty for signing off early and not atleast doing 10 hours that day etc..) I sacrificed a lot to make it and so have all my coworkers. All of us are highly productive and smart people that dedicate our lives to work and I sensed that we all felt companies taking advantage of it. I’m still in the industry (finance) and am slowly realizing that just like you said it is not sustainable and am coming to grips that getting promotions and bigger bonuses is not worth putting your mental health on the back burner for years.

[@Sakurambo]

I find it ironic that some of the hardest/smartest workers are the hardest on themselves. We need to take more time to appreciate how much we do and focus on what's best for us. The company will run with or without us. This is the story I keep telling myself to try and not feel guilty. Hope that you are living life and enjoying it.

[@paldeusjaco9657]

I've realized, I just need to get on Zoom calls more and just BS better and create some word salads...then you're a genius. I went into tech to avoid this political BS but it's still there.

[@jmw1982blue]

The only perk I want is money and to be left alone when the shift is over 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@Sakurambo]

fair enough 😂

[@alhriclacle5486]

same

[@JimmyJaxJellyStax]

I inevitably quiet quit at certain jobs - seems instinctual and I'm working a lot harder on other areas of life in exchange. The aspiration and dreaming is pretty obvious with our real life work. If we don't dream of it, we haven't found it yet and exploring other fields is the way. I think the dreaming is not all fun and games, it's deep meaning in what we do.

[@here2thrive]

Thank you for speaking on this, your perspective helped me stay grounded today. I quiet quit my tech job and I feel like it’s helped me so much, but I’ve had to keep it a secret from almost everyone I know and some talk behind my back. Hearing you today validated the reasons I quit in the first place and now I can get back to my new wonderful work-life balance

[@RobFishYT]

Quiet quitting is step 1. You still gotta give them 40+ hours of your life (counting all the extra time associated with 40hour work week).

[@phantomvox951]

I’ve been working for a company for over 26 years. I did not take vacations for the first 5 years and constantly worked overtime. After 5 years I asked for a raise and was denied. From that day on I did what is called today quiet quitting. That happened 20 years ago. Im completely burned out so my advice to young people is dont do it for a long period of time. Just find another job or change career. Believe me if you stay the depression will consume you.

[@yngwiemalmsteenparaguaio9887]

Well.. It will work at any job. There is no way you can hide from it. The best thing to do is to keep changing jobs at, lets say, 2 years and using your best time to make side projects that can also give you money

[@MsGranvillegirl]

To be honest, the quiet quitting has sabed my sanity. I still get my work done but I am not willing to work endless unpaid hours to get there. I might not get another promotion but at a certain point the amount of hours vs pay don't even seem worth it anyway.

[@rickh8380]

I totally agree with you 100%. I've been at my current company for almost 5 years. In that time I have gotten two 50 cent pay increases. All of us are being paid well below what we should be earning. Time for me to get out of that toxic environment. I have to take sedatives just to make it through the week. It is even affecting my health at home also. My heart goes out to all people who are miserable in their jobs. Take care all. Cheers

[@mrhuangsta]

Set yourself a deadline! Your health matters.

[@sk8tergal995]

I can relate, I am currentlyin the process of quiet quitting myself. Bad upper management, no pay increment, and increase in workload due to lack of manpower has made me decide to find myself other jobs elsewhere while doing the bare minimum at my current work place. I hope everyone who is experiencing the same feels better soon! Your family, health and life are ultimately the most important. Btw just a tip, maybe speak through a pair of earpiece next time? It's pretty hard to hear you sometimes, thanks :)

[@zoeng9026]

Doing that right now at my current tech consultancy. Didn’t had the promotion I was expecting after 3.5 years of service. Company profited from our labour and I was leading projects as a single resource of my department. They got freaking acquired and I didn’t felt recognised one bit. Decided to continue doing this until I found my new job. Interviewing now and so close to the final round! 🤞🏻

[@micahchaney1904]

I love the thoughtfulness of this. I'm going through this now. Appreciate your perspective.

[@mrhuangsta]

I love hustle culture, when it's towards my own things that I'm creating.

[@TacoTacoYum]

I work for one of largest IT service providers in the world. After 2 years, Ive seen zero people get rewarded for hard work. The plague of no effort(aka "best effort") is real for better or worse. Its crazy.

[@jasontodd518]

GIRL I felt so heard! My first job experience is just exactly the same, the hustle, the imposter syndrome ( I even took extra classes to pull myself together before getting confident enough with my teammates), the perks thats there but barely used becoz workload will always crash any bits of free time, its so good to know I am not alone....

[@Sakurambo]

You’re definitely not alone. Hope things are better now? :)

[@jasontodd518]

@@Sakurambo Not exactly but I am definitely moving a bit forward, learning, struggling, like a duckling struggle to swim.... : ) Hope u keep these eye opening content up as a direction guide for girls like me in freshly dropped in the workplace, many love!

[@Sakurambo]

@@jasontodd518 half the battle is trying, and you’re doing just that! I’m wishing you all the best ❣️and thank you for your support. It means the world to me. I’ll continue to try and create content that’s valuable ☺️

[@noseefood1943]

I was QQing before there was even a term for it. I used to work hard go above and beyond but there was no reward or incentive just got burned out. This was at Amazon famous for milking employees dry and toss them out.

[@Notaslave1961]

Work is not family, well said!

[@jret65541]

“Unless the people are free, the machine will be prevented from running at all “

[@christieramirez7548]

Thank you so much for making this video! I had been "quiet quitting" before I left my Job six months ago. When I started working in 2020, I was happy to have found a job that would hire me after graduating college. I would gladly do over time, between 8 to 32 hours a week ontop of the 40 hours a week and two hours of commuting everyday. It was the kind of job that you would NEED to have coverage for. I hated asking for help, so I would help others and even cover manager shifts. I was burnt out by the end of 2021, missing my family, friends, and significant other due to how many hours a week I would give to the company. I started to take weekends off to recover and enjoy myself. And over night, I went from the most helpful person, to the laziest cause I was taking weekends off. And wouldn't respond to anyone's texts from work unless I was called. It was a toxic environment to be in, I barely had time to sleep, barely had time to workout and even meal prep. I have had a relaxing time off from working. Now I know my worth, and willing to wait for a good fit now cause of what I went through.

[@amram86]

I've been quiet quitting for nearly 20 years.

[@Mjp11111]

Good job!

[@johnpinheiro6211]

You re honesty is beautiful !!!

[@fashionforwardfellow]

I have been silent quitting for a while now and didn't realize there was a term for it until a couple months ago. I am in tech. The company I work for has management all the way to the top that is completely delusional. I would have moved on a long time ago but the right opportunity has not come along. Funny, one solution you mentioned is what I implemented in the meantime. I am moving to a different group and department where I am pretty sure I will be treated like a living being again at least. Thank you for sharing.

[@austingwatson]

i developed a technique where i could simultaneously care and Not care. I cared deeply about my customers, the evil company not so much. told my bosses, fire me, i don’t need this job, i’ll just get a better one. they never fired me. when i retired they begged me to come back. i told them no and said, never call me again. this was 10 years ago.

[@gregb4219]

New term for an old thing. It used to be called "Mailing it in" or "Going through the motions". Myself, I am less than a year from retirement, have definitely started mailing it in.

[@EverlastGX]

I worked super hard (but with great results, I am not moving air) but got paid the same as the lazy or inefficient coworkers. Ok, I will play the same game of doing the bare minimum and it feels much better for my quality of life.

[@NVR_Forfeit]

Couldn't put this any better! thank you!

[@gregolson7499]

Joshua Fluke has a lot of good videos on this topic and the misconceptions of what quiet quitting is. It is not the decision to stop working hard, but the decision to do the work you were hired to do.

[@h.sinclair]

excellent thank you you articulated all this so very well

[@FermentedShrimpPaste]

Noticing here where I work at as well. Majority of it stems from the company slowly offshoring new positions overseas, so people here locally are just doing enough to get by or until they get laid off. Burn out has also played a factor in it.

[@bobfane4365]

And if you ARE the owner,treat your staff well especially if circumstances conspire to force your staff to go above and beyond for a short term.

[@chumbucketable]

I just put in my two weeks notice. I was working in a team that was relentless and shit on you for the smallest irrelevant things. Right now I feel slightly elated as well as worried about the next couple of months. But it gives me time to reflect and react to the situation. Fingers crossed.

[@fefazolin]

Outstanding video, Lots of very interesting insights I really needed to hear!

[@amare83]

So glad I found you! 😊

[@travelingdude1621]

She’s a very beautiful, intelligent woman. I got my Master’s degree in IT. I’ve been doing quiet quitting myself for a long time. The covid pandemic showed the world that life is short and we shouldn’t work ourselves to death and put up with getting micromanaged but to enjoy life more than before. I’ve been to Tokyo, Japan. A cool, interesting, high tech place.

[@magooshpremium5236]

Thank you for the video.

[@christelf2669]

A month ago I was put in a project where I didn't want to be. I did all the right things, talk to managers , talk to career coach, I use open communication like the company encourage that much. And I fail so much, they just didn't care about my feelings, I felt so neglected and alone. I did what it supposed. For this project I lost the perk of working from anywhere and I needed that for my wellbeing because I have some personal issues in my life and some health issues also. Now I'm more depressed than before. They only told me that there isn't other project for my profile, but is funny because this project is not for my kind of personality. So I think I will this quiet quit until I'm done. I don't want to work in tech anymore I feel like number and nothing else. I'm so desperate

[@Sakurambo]

Hi Christel -- I'm so sorry to hear you're in this position. I'm not sure if it helps at all, but I have absolutely felt similarly before, feeling as if I am just a number, completely replaceable, and 100% burnt out. What ultimately helped me is to work in a new job, but making changes like the position you're doing, your manager, your company -- I know easier said than done, but some environmental changes closer to the ideal state of how I wanted to work ultimately led to my recovery from burnout. I certainly hope that you will have the opportunity to make such changes, and until then take care of yourself and your loved ones. Remember, work is a part of life -- not our life. If it helps at all, I've made a video about burn out as well as how I pivoted careers that you might find useful on my channel. I'm rooting for you, please stay well.

[@RodinThink28]

There's quite a difference between a non-tech job and a tech one. A non-techie can work 9 to 5 and go home. Tech folks often work late into the evenings spending oodles of time trying to solve a problem which non-tech managers fail to understand or appreciate. A techie can never quiet quit. They have to keep up with new technologies and spend the time resolving tech issues. On-call support when they are called in 24/7 to fix the computer system when it crashes.

[@benjaminy.jackson515]

Very insightful information. Thank You for sharing.

[@inasuma8180]

There's nothing wrong with doing the minimum requisite demands of your role. Tech culture is OBSESSED with "you need to be passionate about X, Y, and Z." But that's just capitalistic propaganda. People work for money. Your skills are paid with money. If they want you to do something, they can ask you for it. It shouldn't be a requirement to go out of your way to solve larger issues than necessary when doing your job. I love this video. 🙏🏻Thank you for sharing. Subscribed!

[@Sakurambo]

I like the very simple approach to this (skill = paid). I also think people don't understand that the "minimum" is still a high output in tech. So quiet quitting does not mean doing nothing, you're still pretty much doing your job well but saying no to extra projects or things outside your scope. The high expectations of doing anything and everything is what causes burnout, I think. Thanks for watching :)

[@modernpicasso_]

Do not go into "quiet quitting" just because everyone else is and do not go into "hustle hard" mentality just because all your friends are preaching about it. At the end of the day, people have to ignore the noise out there and ask themselves what they really want at their current stage in life, what they want to achieve in the future and how it is impacting their mental health today.

[@TheOliveWalsh]

Hey, I'm a genXer and I have been quiet quitting across the 25 years of my career, although I have always seen it as "checking out". It usually is a sign of burnout or disillusionment. Its always just a "holding pattern" though, followed by real quitting....

[@TH-il8mn]

I'm in grocery retail and I see this every day. People are just worn out after dealing with the public during the pandemic. Companies just don't know how to pivot and help their people. Therapists are in short supply right now also. People are struggling with finding meaning overall. I am glad for my church family and my faith. I know all this is temporary and I am called to "work as though working for the Lord and not for man".

[@Sakurambo]

Absolutely. I swear retail and customer support is one of the most mentally and emotionally taxing jobs in general.

[@TH-il8mn]

@@Sakurambo and it doesn't have to be. When we are fully staffed, we can give our energy to our customers, but chronic understaffing means you have to be task oriented rather than customer oriented. Most of us miss caring for our customers. Now we're just trying to keep the shelves stocked and the store clean.😔

[@anonmouse15]

A more accurate assessment, IMO, is that companies simply don't care. Workers are expendable tools that are to be used until they break, and then replaced.

[@ivanyoed]

This is a great video Sakura. Thank you for posting such healthy content in youtube.

[@hayati6374]

It may also be the generational shift/growing up of your peers who realized that they are financially relatively stable and that they will most likely be fine in the future. That gives also some relaxation in not doing so much as to burn out or more than what others do or is expected, as they reached a point where rising in rank may not make them happier by financial security reasons, but take up more time that would rather be spent on family and just living life

[@mikegee9832]

Love this video please please make more like this

[@k.h.p.9862]

Interesting insight in this video. In my case, I'm quiet quitting as a full-time teacher in Taiwan because of shitty treatment by management and on top of that, impossible to move up (promotions, etc.), and yet, due to local laws governing university teachers, I can't get fired so long as I don't commit some heinous crime. So since i'm in a state of limbo, might as well quiet quit so to speak. Do the absolute minimum, not give a damn, act like a robot, but contributing only the absolute minimum. Just taking it easy. Why not.

Another thing that I have experienced is the fact that when I tried to talk about it with employee and people related, trying to find some motivation, I was not heard! And when we try actively to talk and this not works, so the natural answer is to stop trying to talk and start planning what to do next! This quiet quitting is something related to a time to plan a transition! And time to wait things get better in personal life! Really loved your video!

[@acenewark]

Excellent examination on the topic.

[@mariasitkovets]

So many engineers I know do this! I understand the burn out reason the most sadly. This was a really interesting video 💕

[@mayobabble]

That is a great way to put it.

[@jazzysmom112011]

Yes! Now I have a name for it. I have been quite quitting for the last 3 months.

[@MissMimimimi]

I never stopped giving 100% at work. I always deliver on time and to a high standard. What I stopped giving was 150%. No working crazy hours, no doing other people’s work, not taking on too many projects at once and not constantly being at everyone’s beck and call. If you’re not going to pay me appropriately then it’s just not worth it. Call me a slacker. I don’t care. Rather be that then a total simp for a company that doesn’t af about me!

[@DomagojSkiljan]

In the Balkans we called that working :P There is a saying: "You can't pay me so low that I can't work even less!"

[@TheReluctantCoder]

Oh damn good description

[@ShikokuFoodForest]

Hello. I’m a Canadian living and working in Japan for over 10 years now. What I do not understand is why ‘Quiet Quitting’ doesn’t seem to exist among the Japanese. From my experience, I see Japanese constantly working very, very hard with very little in return. Working conditions are often very, very strict to the point of being severe. Many companies in Japan require their employees to work 6 days/week, work on National Holidays with no extra pay and work overtime. In return, staff often receives a low salary compared to North American standards, do not receive a bonus, do not get a salary increase and are given very minimal vacation time. What I’ve seen, is Japanese staff will never, ever complain and regardless of how poor the working conditions are, they will always work very, very hard and never make any demands. I never have been able to understand this. I feel company owners take full advantage of the Japanese work ethic by pushing them to the limit with very substandard compensation and often with no benefits. This is why nothing changes in Japan. I am a foreign teacher being paid lower than minimum wage in my home country. I never received a salary increase or bonus in 10 years. I receive no benefits and very, very few holidays. My company makes me work ALL National Holidays. I’ve been ‘quietly quitting’ for years, but it is difficult when my teaching is constantly evaluated to maintain my job and visa. To this day, I still do not understand why the Japanese work so hard for so little.

[@KrisoVT]

I think this is mostly American culture to overwork for an employer. In most of Europe that I am aware of we don't do overtime and companies don't promote overtime either. Very rarely would it happen that I decide to put in extra work and usually it is when I like it. However ever since the pandemic and WFH being constant I have noticed myself pulling back even more. Especially after April/May were hard because of early employee cuts and then the quick rebound for my sector.

[@rdean150]

American office jobs are salaried - no overtime. Usually only hourly workers - typically labor or part time jobs - are eligible for overtime. And in those jobs, managers usually closely monitor employee hours to ensure they DON'T work overtime. But the tendencies for burnout are most common in the salaried jobs where you are pressured to work longer hours with no guarantee of any benefit, like at tech companies.

[@elinasaksakulm5725]

I think it depends on a company and also country in Europe. In private Tech industries and start-ups in Estonia(Europe) people go to company paid therapy to handle their consistent burn-out. There is paid overtime for some sectors of employees, but mostly and "worsely" there is no official overtime, but you are pretty much expected to perform 100% all the time. And if you are not able to do that, you will do unpaid overtime to "catch up". Already during my training they said that our job is to do 200 hours of work with 160 hours. It was all "jokesy" at first, but if your manager knocks on your shoulder you better show what you got. Some employees even complained that they don`t have enough time to pee as they were hyperfocused on meeting their KPI`s. I was part of the management meeting where some managers tried to opt for a positive change and reduce the workload of our employees(as the research showed people are burned out due to demanding quotas) and the higher manager laughed it off with another one that employees these days are such snowflakes xD The same higher up was on sick leave/vacation for 50% of the time(literally) and of course we had to pick up the slack without any extra pay.

[@Sakurambo]

Interesting comment. Definitely think culture can play a part here. After all, American companies will have American working culture embedded into it.

[@LennarthAnaya]

2:27 "a method of self preservation" loved it!!! 😅💯