What Is Scouse Not English? | RMTV Exclusive

With the European Championships currently gripping the nation, and attentions being taken by national sides, we at The Redmen TV have been asked:
"What is 'Scouse Not English'?"
So Paul and Chris are joined by Aubrey and John to discuss what it means to them and where they think it came from.
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[@Liverpoolwindsor]

"The oldest Yemeni's community" by the way I am from Yemen and I lived my childhood years in Liverpool as I studied my primary school in Windsor community primary school . The best years in my life was in Liverpool. Liverpool is a special city in the whole earth , I just miss that weather . The people of scouse are friendly and make life easier. I love you guys.

[@ooube]

That's great to hear that Liverpool was a welcoming and warm city to you and you look back on your childhood really fondly :) the weather can be shit though!

[@Liverpoolwindsor]

I am very happy for your reply Aubrey, Its a pleasure to talk to you. You know my dream is to come back make a visit one day to Liverpool and despite how shit the weather is, for me its still better than the shit weather in the middle east. Thank you guys your the best.

[@burroughsw5058]

Our local shopkeeper is Yemeni, Zak well to be honest mate, he is as scouse as me 😂 great you hold precious memories, where are you now ?

[@liverpool1496]

Great video guys!! It was awesome to hear about Liverpool's history from Aubrey, I'm South African and I've always wondered if i would be considered Scouse or not, regardless it would be a privilege in my eyes, the first time i noticed there was a difference between the English and Scouse was when i went to go watch England play in the 2010 world cup against Slovenia and since i didn't have a English shirt i decided to wear my Liverpool shirt. It was amazing to see how many people came up to me as if they had known me for years just because we support/love the same team. Ive always said Liverpool has by far the best fan base because of how we treat each other, we are a unit because we all have one very important thing in common, Liverpool drives us!

[@ChompGaming]

What Paul's dad said is spot on, about Scousers being everywhere. When one of my neighbours was living in Syria their best mate out there was Scouse (I'm Irish btw)

[@xxScouse]

Everytime I'm abroad I always bump into a scouser haha

[@glennoconnor1130]

I know it’s mad right, it’s like I almost always meet a Yorkshireman or a Mancunian everywhere I go. Weird that

[@geordiepaul1659]

Scousers are everywhere, just like dog shit

[@joshg2603]

In Liverpool we love the Irish. Liverpool is not called the second capital of Ireland for nothing. We adore the Irish people and values than most of the English.

[@brooklyniron1999]

And why is this surprising?

[@stevenburton5523]

Great vid, proud to say I'm from a Norwegian background and that I share those links with the term 'Scouse'.

[@Ellz66]

Great video, as a massive Liverpool fan from down south this was very enlightening.

[@ntrbluesx]

Never considered myself english, why? only a few places in england have i ever been where i haven't been insulted just for being from liverpool. Being called a thief lowlife scum by the rest of the country for decades has forced us to stand together, backs to the wall. Politically denigrated, financially choked by successive governments results in our individualism and separation from the rest of the country. I refuse to stand and aline myself with people who despise us between international tournaments I'm sorry I'm not a fucking hypocrite! fuck England! republic of scouse!!!! ynwa

[@John-qe8kc]

oh get over yourself. If any city and it's people get endlessly denigrated it's London and Londoners.

[@John-qe8kc]

+Paul Brown That's racism pure and simple Paul. People are much the same where ever I go and to tarnish or stereotype millions of 'others' because of the actions of idiotic governments or individuals is ludicrous.

[@John-qe8kc]

read the book by Jack London 'The People of the Abyss' about the poor in London at the height of Empire and you'll see this utter misery was inflicted on all English people at one time or another by respective Governments. Christ I watch a programme set in london in the 1950s about midwives and I'm shocked at the poverty even as recent as that decade.

[@ntrbluesx]

Like the guy said on here we've always had great affinity with the irish and support you guys at tournaments because basically we are irish. got lots of family in dublin too they love coming the match with us and we love going to see them over in dublin and they show us the best time too and long may that continue!

[@markdurham7939]

liverpool is an island in england.

[@imeldamcintyre2721]

I recently visited Liverpool and found the people so friendly and good sence of humor!! I'm from Dublin Ireland , my family always feel we have an affinity with Liverpool!! YNWA

[@youser1093]

Yeah they are very humorous

[@sybalov1997]

I'm from Sweden and first time i visited Liverpool it was about a month after Ibra scored those 4 goals including the 35 yard bicycle kick and the first cab driver we spoke to (evertonian) said he laughed when he scored those goals and was happy that England lost. That was for me the moment when I truly realized how separate Liverpool is to the rest of England. Boss tha!

[@ooube]

Scouser's recognise good football (not that collectively we've seen too much of it over the last few years!). One of my fave traits as an LFC fan is that we applaud rival teams if they've come to Anfield and outplayed us; we stand up and applaud amazing goals scored against us - because great football is great football. Also pretty much football is the common language spoken by all scousers and it will also be the first port of call in trying to engage anyone in conversation

[@busta960]

@@ooube what like when my crystal Palace team beat you 2-1 at anfield, which left 3 Palace fans in hospital and mountains of abuse outside the ground after the game, yes great scouse hospitality 😂

[@stuartmckenzie4054]

I hate to say this but with the liverpudlians, the scots, and thecornish all pulling in opposite directions I think we should have a vote on who is loyal to the country and really find somewhere or something for the ones who are not. -- A loyal brit.

[@Reuben.Joshua]

@@stuartmckenzie4054 More like a loyal wanker

[@zzcanasta]

@@stuartmckenzie4054 Please come to Liverpool and announce that in a public space. I'm sure you'll get a reception that you'll remember. :)

[@timv1.083]

Thanks for that. One of my favorite videos you've done.

[@YVHJVGJF87]

Really enjoyed the videos lads, taught me a few things about my own city and really put across the vast majorities of Scousers views on England an the rest of the country in general really well!

[@lfcau6190]

I wish I was Scouse, I love LFC. That being said, the dude on the far left looks like the Scouse Landon Donovan.

[@sarahvoce6469]

Its a way of life not just being from Liverpool ❤️ your way of thinking will make you scouse! 😄

[@douglastaggart9360]

What a load is shite I'm a Scouser and I'm a proud Englishman and I know loads of Scousers who think the same

[@LORD-kg4sl]

Glad you know some others too because these new milleneal dickheads are treating as if it is a catalonia spain thing lmao

[@TobyLerone-yn3rr]

Aubrey just taught the shit out of me

[@ooube]

hopefully in a good way! Cheers Mitchell. next week I can do Batman's rogues gallery or the movies of David Fincher. After that i'm out! :)

[@John-qe8kc]

London is even more diverse.

[@bigtedkerrigan]

+Kurtz H Exactly. This idea that folk from Liverpool can't feel English because it's diverse is rather comical.

[@ooube]

London is even more diverse you are right. It's also about 16 times bigger in terms of numbers of people, and about the same again in geographical size. Around 30 percent of its population are immigrants/none native British people (it's like the 3rd or 4th biggest immigrant city in the world - and that'll just be all the ozzie backpackers!) I think because of this size and huge diversity it's hard to say that Londoners have any one identity. They are a collection of lots of different identities and communities. But from experience I do know that Londoners view themselves as very different (superior) to anywhere else in the UK and are actually rather patriotic. What we were trying to say is that it's not that scousers can't feel English; its that we identify more with the people from this city than we do with the rest of the country a lot of the time. The amount of difference will be unique to the individual, but it is a common trait within Liverpudians, hence why the phrase and this very discussion exists

[@scouserla1]

We don't feel English, the Tory press alienated us to justify Thatcher's goals. The disgusting lies about Hillsborough in the sun was a prime example. Thatcher told Michael Heseltine she wanted to close Liverpool down, he said "you can't" It's the reason he became Minister of Merseyside. We have, and will always have, strong left-wing beliefs, unlike the vast majority of this country. We also have a very strong Irish connection, it's where our accent comes from, its a mixture of Lancashire and Irish. Only Boston has more Irish descendants than Liverpool. So yes, we're not English, we are Scouse.

[@billjackson2329]

Scousers are different in the same way that Geordies, brummies, Mancs etc etc are different. At the end of the day though we’re all English and there’s no difference where you’re from in England

[@billjackson2329]

@TRAPANI SICILIA How about London Brighton Manchester Newcastle and the many other seats of the 202 that voted for labour and other parties. Are those English ok by your book? Liverpool wasn’t the only place that didn’t vote conservative dummy.

[@Sid-Cannon]

I'm from Bolton and when I was born Bolton was part of Lancashire. Now you get people telling me I'm from greater manchester, and my response is fuck that, I want fuck all to do with mancs, so I always say I'm from Lancashire, which I am.

[@danielashe372]

A manc supporting liverpool?..

[@Sid-Cannon]

I take it that was meant in jest?

[@rjthompson1108]

Ironically people say Salford isn't part of Manchester but will say Bolton is despite being further out. Bolton is part of Lancashire though, same as Preston and other similar areas.

[@kylekenney-dunham2573]

Fascinating stuff guys! Had the pleasure of visiting Liverpool in January and to be honest I didn't know what to expect, (I had only ever been to London and Wales before) but I was surprised how international the city was. Really friendly people, nice city, lots of history, 2 footy teams, all around great place. Will deffo be back.

[@ashhill9848]

This happens all over the country, for instance where im from (Cornwall) there is an increasing amount of locals down here who refer to themselves as "Cornish not English" cos I mean who wouldn't be proud of their pasty laden heritage! Apart from when the international Football or Rugby is on then suddenly everybody's English again til England get knocked out..

[@barneypaws4883]

Similar to us Welsh. Foreigners say to us are you English? and we say NO, Welsh. I'm Welsh first and bloody proud to be, British second

[@joegilbert3149]

The Cornish situation is completely different to Liverpool,Cornwall is got it's own language and flag.

[@jimjiggles1474]

The Black Country would vote for independence if they could. Sadly we are so close to Birmingham and their expansion that they are buying up land to build houses and apartments for the London folk moving up to move into. It's pissed off many of the locals.

[@jacobfiil5918]

Like Scottish 'nationalists', who'd rather be ruled by Brussels than Westminster?

[@John...44...]

I don't understand why being proud of the area your from means you have to disregard your country? I'm from teesside, and massively proud of that, but I'd never say I'm not English, it's moronic

[@johnniejay]

If you're from Liverpool (an English city) you're English. Really not that difficult to understand.

[@MrIrishscouse]

If you feel more of a connection to the city you come from than the country you're born in what you're saying isn't necessarily true.

[@johnniejay]

@@MrIrishscouse Most people feel a strong affinity for the town / city they were born and raised in....but that usually also means they feel proud of the country that place is in too. Liverpool appears to be the only city in England where its apparently a question of either / or.

[@MrIrishscouse]

@@johnniejay Liverpool appears to be the only city where it's a question of either or because a serving Prime Minister (Thatcher) speculated about the possibility of detaching the city and surrounding region from mainland England and towing it out into the Irish Sea. Her Chancellor of the Exchequer talked about managed decline of Liverpool so when the ruling establishment of the country your city is attached to discusses the feasibility of disowning it, the choice of allegiance between city and country is made in favour of the city. And that logically extends to loyalty to club over country in football.

[@johnniejay]

@@MrIrishscouse Maggie Thatcher detached the entire country north of London for all intents and purposes - and she is rightly held in contempt by everyone above Watford for doing so. Please don't act like Liverpool had it any worse under Thatcher than Sheffield, Newcastle, Manchester, Sunderland, Leeds, Glasgow etc. did....it didn't. Those cities had more than their share of 'managed decline' too, at the very least on a par with Liverpool's. Conversely, people from those cities are willing to accept that that was 35-40 years ago, and times / opinions have changed dramatically since. Sadly Liverpool is still very much stuck in the past in that regard, to its detriment. Sorry, but I cant accept that as an excuse in 2022.

[@MrIrishscouse]

@@johnniejay Resentment rooted in grievances from years ago is a form of vigilance, wouldn't you say? A contemporary generation of Liverpool fans have accusations about Heysel thrown at them despite the majority of Liverpool supporters not being AT Heysel, being kids when it happened or the fact it predated the births of many more Liverpool supporters. The families of the victims of Hillsborough have had to fight for justice for over 30 years and disprove accusations they were to blame for it. These resentments last decades because the schisms that led to them last decades.

[@ianng4633]

Hong Kong not China YNWA

[@alisaif5575]

I speak English as the second language but I've never loved an accent like my love to scouse 🥰🥰... I hope that I was scouser to speak this nice accent 🌹🌹

[@paddyfitton-jones5045]

this was fascinating

[@KernowekScouser]

It is videos like this one, that really set this channel apart from other fan channels... not unlike how being Scouse sets us apart from being English. Similar for sure, but separate and distinct. Good job as always :)

[@ooube]

Cheers mate, much appreciated.

[@wirralh770]

By the way most people on the Wirral are not happy about being dragged into the Liverpool city region and see themselves as Cheshire, not Merseyside. I am a Wirralian and English.

[@bobbyboy5952]

Wool

[@davedivvy3965]

Shut up I'm from.wirral and proud Merseysider fuck Cheshire

[@shannonlouise4112]

If Southport is considered Merseyside and that's a 40 odd minute drive away then by christ, the Wirral is Merseyside

[@spellchequer3515]

@@shannonlouise4112 Believe me when I tell you most Sandgrounders do not consider themselves either Sefton, Liverpool or Merseyside. We want to be Lancashire. Liverpool gets all the money and the rest get the crumbs.

[@sandip7788]

probably my favourite video on this channel! As a history grad...Aubrey spoke my language with that speech. I'm from Bradford but will support Liverpool before England any day of the week

[@ooube]

Cheers Sandip! :)

[@europa1387]

Fuck off

[@connor735]

@@europa1387 no u

[@leafyisqueer8018]

wow interesting, i never knew this, thanks

[@SK_300]

No wonder why sakho said "LIVERPOOL COUNTRY" it all makes sense now

[@stephenrogoff]

very interesting and educational.

[@snsnsnsss]

Thank you Aubrey! Really love hearing more about Liverpool from real Scousers and truly confirm my affinity with the city.

[@azibe456]

Aubrey said it right, this is why I love the football club and Liverpool as a whole. Liverpool is hugely diverse and it reminds me of my home. I feel a connection with Scousers and the people of Liverpool.

[@ooube]

Thanks mate, much appreciated

[@Badboybilly]

MARTINEZ EVIL TWIN hows your summer going lad you ok x

[@mikebranford9644]

I'm not even from Liverpool but I feel more of a connection with scousers than "England". When it comes to football I always look at England as a southern boys club and I don't particularly want to be a part of it (I'm a midlander btw). YNWA

[@ooube]

Badboybilly !! It's going okay. Obviously gutted that my saintly doppelganger is now out of work; means he's around a lot more and he really is a pain - always playing Jason Derulo really loud, constantly in possession of the TV remote and he always leaves the milk out of the fridge.

[@walsh1916]

Liverpool is 91% white, that doesn't fit the definition of hugely diverse to me.

[@ajwasp]

I Scousers! I love Scouseology too, I even have the Scouseology/English translation book. Merseyside is a very special place with very special people. I went to University in Liverpool, and as an added bonus, got not just my Uni degree but degree from the University of Life. Incredible place. Found out even that my great great grandparents got married at SFC church in Liverpool too, so cool :-) . Great channel guys ! Keep it up! :-)

[@ajwasp]

sorry, that should read "SFX church".

[@Jay-eo9bt]

Liverpool is the most Irish city in England, your hatred for England is inherited, like it is in the Highlands.

[@brentchapman18]

I'm from Vancouver Canada and I've been to liverpool twice. it's without a doubt the most fascinating place I've ever been. would really recommend others to go see for themselves. it's weirdly similar to Boston in many ways; which is another special city.

[@ooube]

That's brilliant to hear. As a proud scouser I love hearing that visitors to our city loved it and had a great time - it's also good as Tourism is our main industry! I got the same feeling from Boston as I do Liverpool too, also Melbourne, Valencia, Hamburg, Berlin ...

[@DWSully14]

Aubrey killed it. It was like he was reading off Wikipedia he was that concise! I agree that the difference in subcultures between a country's region has an impact on how fans unite to support their country. It's not too bad with being Irish because everyone is mainly on the same page, I think this is mainly due to how our national league is supported by little fans so there's less hate amongst Irish football fans

[@ooube]

cheers mate - concision is not normally one of my strong points! it's just something i often think about and I'm very proud of

[@paulb3807]

Bohiemians and Shamrock rovers mate go to that match and tell me there's little hate your mad

[@gavinbutler5219]

Very interesting, been following liverpool since 1980, been doing my family tree and have ancestors in liverpool going back to 1820. I live in a town called skerries co. Dublin, ireland. I see there is a skerries road right beside Anfield, nice connection to have.

[@gzus5943]

Not from Liverpool and not a Liverpool fan, but dude on the left dropping serious knowledge…. Learnt a lot!!!

[@travisbickle2715]

good history lesson from Aubrey about Wembley and England. explains why Sir Roger Hunt was behind "Two goal hatrick" Geoff Hurst in the pecking Order.

[@ooube]

cheers mate. It's mostly down to my grandad and the beers in Woolton village over many years. But yeah, there was a huge London bias in the England side for years

[@robs7163]

As a Scottish Liverpool fan I can very easily relate to this. Every two years we are bombarded with adverts for a team we don't care about and in relation to what Paul was saying about foreigners opinions on us we get a much warmer response when we tell people we are Scottish than when we say we're British, despite the fact that we are regularly snubbed and even mocked by Southerners.

[@nicky9282]

Have to say I feel as if I get this despite being a Liverpool fan from down south. I have no interest in the queen or patriotism or any of that shit, and I put Liverpool waaay above England in terms of how much I care about the performances and other news. I watch England in tournaments but never get as involved as I do with Liverpool. None of my family even support a team but I hope one day soon I'll be able to get the money to see a game at Anfield! Would be interested to hear some scouse thoughts on southern reds fans? I get that there's a glory-hunter stigma with us or that we can't be proper fans but I personally don't feel I (and many others I know) fit into either category.

[@AndysEdits]

I think there is a small cross over that Liverpool shares with other northern cities and Scotland in the disconnect with London that was mentioned. Politically and economically the North and South have drifted apart.

[@BanthaBoi]

I live an hour away from Liverpool and I feel more of a connection with Liverpool than anywhere else. Liverpool as a culture, football club and a city have had a massive impact in my life and I'm proud to be part of the most passionate people in England! #YNWA

[@i_know_youre_right_but]

NorrisMud you live a fucking hour away. You're not one of us. You're merely a wannabe. Fuck off, wool.

[@walsh1916]

What a bitter twat you are

[@garymax5168]

Keith Johnson STFU tosser

[@TrooperLFC]

@@i_know_youre_right_but knobhead

[@kevinwright2884]

Scouse not English means simply that the rest of the country is not worth thinking about.

Cheers, lads! Great to have it explained like that! Scouse, not latvian? Maybe.

[@ooube]

labs kauss in Latvian is one of the theories as to were Scouse came from, so you're pretty much scouse anyway! (another massive Scouse trait is we'll take anyone and claim anyone with even the most tenuous connections as "one of our own")

Aubrey Reynolds Cool! :D Labs kauss means A good cup/mug

[@wuerlybird]

Seattle is a very similar city. We are a big port, the first place people from Asia would stop, we are also in the corner of the country, and we are a definite club first place. Also we are different city one that is almost hipster and very liberal.

[@ooube]

I don't think Liverpool is unique in this feeling and mentality. I know Marseille and Istanbul feel the same way (as I said in the video) but so do people from Melbourne in Australia (due to the gold rush there of the 1800's and it's huge influx of foreigners) and Valencia in Spain does too. And now I can add Seattle to my list of similar cities! :) I always feel a "vibe" when I visit these places that a) reminds me of home and b) makes me love those places. I have a theory that it's the "being the third or fourth largest city in that country" effect. We aren't the largest or the capital - London, Madrid, Paris, Sydney etc, which is full of commerce and business; we may not be the second city either but we know in our hearts that we're the best city and the people who live their choose to live their etc it's definitely something I felt in Valencia and Melbourne when i've visited. Is Seattle the same?

[@wuerlybird]

+Aubrey Reynolds your definitely on to something with the third or fourth largest city. In America that stretches to the top 15 cities. You should make sure to visit Seattle for a Sounders game as a bucket list item

[@ooube]

I had never had seattle on the list but I really do want to do a driving tour of north america at some point so I'll make sure to put in on their as a stop now!

[@elijah2785]

If you go to the northwest you might as well go to Portland, as much as we have a rivalry with Seattle, we have a very similar culture, Seattle is bigger, Portland is a little more hipster I would say, both are very unique when compared to the rest of the country. In terms of football Seattle has a larger stadium, but I would say Portland is a bit more authentic in terms of the fan experience due to a more intimate setting where the noise is held better and it has less pyrotechnics that distract from the match. If you go to a derby match you won't be disappointed. Thank you for this video, it's very informative and backs up a lot of what one of my best friends who is from Liverpool says about the city and the culture.

[@jamesmorris1317]

Club over country for me any day of the week mate mostly due to I don't really feel a connection to England and its national team and weren't really bought up watching them play. Agreed with what you guys were saying aswell!

[@ryanhopper2854]

I know many people who live in Boston and they are just like Liverpool with the ports and the passion for their sports teams and really don't care about the rest of the country to a certain extent. They also both have destinctly deferent accents from the rest of their respective countries

[@xClarkson4PMx]

I'm a Scottish Liverpool fan and I always felt as though I had some understanding in the whole Scouse Not English thing, but this was a very insightful video cheers lads.

[@benharris5620]

Jocks hate the English so makes sense for a Jock to lean towards Liverpool. I suppose you're a Celtic fan too?

[@siofra3819]

Many of scousers are of Irish blood

[@Jo-pp3vi]

My brother and me seemingly picked LFC out of the blue(red) to support when we were kids.. LFC didnt win much atm, so maybe our inner lapskaus were talking to us..

[@zachdziga8978]

As a Texan they same thing happens to us. When traveling the locals give us an attitude when they find we are American but changes completely when they find out we are Texan.

[@ooube]

I've always imagined Austin to be very like Liverpool (apart from the intense heat and occasional cowboy hat)

[@zachdziga8978]

+Aubrey Reynolds they are pretty close. I haven't been to Liverpool as many times as I would like but the feel of the city is very similar.

[@zachdziga8978]

I should probably rephrase what I said originally. We are treated that way internationally. When traveling in the US we are not liked as a whole.

[@ooube]

Yeah US foreign policy doesn't endear Americans to most nations in the world unfortunately. As Eddie Izzard advises in one of his routines - "say your Canadian". The converse thing is the Americans who are travelling to foreign cities are the ones with passports and a desire to travel and broaden their horizons so are more likely to be left wing, liberal and not 'what people dislike about Americans" than others. As a wannabe filmmaker who adores Hollywood cinema and the art form perfected by the US I have a massive affection for america.

[@smithmeister]

To me America is in a way a big England - big affection for, and cultural consumption of a place, but tempered with a wariness about overbearing influence on my homeland.

[@mattdickinson8170]

Very interesting from an outsider's perspective. I felt like I should've been taking notes

[@WaniZame]

I'm from the West Country and I don't think the "London" disconnect or a loathing of the monarchy is unique to Liverpool, I just scousers are more united in their disdain. I can't stand the national anthem or the arrogance of Londoners but I do enjoy it when tournaments come round for England. Interesting video.

[@kf5541]

Wanizame not all Londoners are arrogant mate 😊

[@thefranklins2274]

I don't believe this is a uniquely Scouse phenomenon. In psychology is called the the social identity theory, or in group out group. The species identify with those closest that reinforces our ideas, cultures, history, language and accents etc. We feel more distant to those that differ and in someway conflict with our identity.

[@ooube]

Brilliant. Never heard of In group Out group before but will look it up. I agree, it's about identifying with those that feel the same as us. And as a scouser i've always felt more outward looking than inward looking and that I have more affinity to those from other big/cultural/multi-ethnic/port cities than I do towns and hamlets within the UK

[@jimskiuk305]

Anno this is old, but glossed over probably the biggest point, but the city's irish heritage is so integral to this tale.

[@stevendaly3680]

I am scouser. Not a English man. Putting flowers on the ground shows you're love and respect.

[@AdamTheMan1993]

What's your reaction to Trent Alexander-Arnold playing for England?

[@stevendaly3680]

@@AdamTheMan1993 if he is pickied.he should play.

[@AdamTheMan1993]

@@stevendaly3680 Even though he was born and plays for Liverpool? From what I've heard these days Liverpool fans don't like it when their players plays for England, nobody complained when Gerrard, Owen or Carragher played for both Liverpool and England

[@stevendaly3680]

@@AdamTheMan1993 I don't care. I am everton fan.

[@gavb9816]

Its very much like any working class city. Glasgow,belfast etc..all have the same vibe There is definitely a feeling in glasgow that you are a Glaswegian first! i dont think its anything premeditated in it, its just the majority of people are 'in the same boat' and relate to each other, much more than in Edinburgh.

[@ooube]

exactly, It's not unique - Marseille, Istanbul, Melbourne, Hamburg, Valencia, Bristol, Naples, Gdansk, Bremen ... are the examples I've felt and experienced first hand and through these discussions Glasgow, Seattle, Boston, Cornwall have been thrown in as identifying in a similar way. But I do think that it's not the case for all major cities, or all working class cities. I think it's other determining factors - a port city or a mass influx of immigrants/people from other countries; a historic significance; a cultural legacy and a sense of injustice or outside prejudice would be the factors that I imagine contribute to this sense of identity and "cityism". I love the phrasing of "it's not anything premeditated" though. so true and i'll be stealing that

[@SocialDemocrat1789]

@@ooube I hardly think Melbourne or Bristol belong in that list. And certainly not Seattle.

[@senor3261]

Very informative and interesting for a foreign fan and a history buff. Great job. Wanted to know, if your outlook towards England is affected by Gerrard and now Rooney captaining the English team, both being scousers.

[@ooube]

I, personally, am exceptionally proud that at one point, not too long ago, Liverpool as a city had 3 of the top 100 (top 50?!) footballers in the world in it's ranks- Gerrard, Rooney and Carragher - considering we're such a small city in comparison to a lot of others on an international scale. I was very proud when Gerrard was captain, less so when Rooney was (blue and manc and all that). And I actually don't mind England and do support them, get sucked in. I just hate Roy, and was burnt by the complete lack of performance by the "golden generation".

[@brooklyniron1999]

As a Londoner - I was amazed London was called out: then how every point made about what makes Liverpool “different” (external facing, port city, multi-cultural/multi ethnic, religiously diverse, anti Brexit, Labour) also holds for London. We may not have a Jamaica Street but we have Jamaica Road in Bermondsey .. our dock lands district. I understand how a regional city dislikes not getting the National stadium in their backyard, but usually the model in most counties is to put it in the largest city.

[@michaelpeat670]

It’s the idea that, we’re not welcome anywhere in England, I’m away from uni and the nicest thing people say is “I don’t hate scousers” and if it’s not that It’s ffs “why do u have to be from there”.

[@brooklyniron1999]

@@michaelpeat670 If that is your experience then I am sorry that you have had to deal with these sort of slights. That doesn’t seem fair to you. I have nothing against Scousers Same for any regional identity. I think people are the same wherever you go. Some good, some bad. This said, I am always a bit suspicious of any “we’re unique, special, different” talk. It seems to be something of a cope for people who actually feel inferior. Not aiming the last comment at anyone. In my experience - anyone who vociferously and repeatedly states their pride in being from a specific place (an accident) is either grandiose or has covert self loathing.

[@MrWhitmen1981]

It's like the cricket with Australia bloody no one from Victoria plays for the team.

[@benlfc1365]

I completely agree with this as I said on another video however I am proud to be British instead of England. Club first always, i just don't get that feeling you get with England compared to when Liverpool play. It's a feeling you can't explain

[@CaptainCalculus]

The other 2 cities that Aubrey couldn't remember are Naples and Gdansk

[@ChrisLean]

I had a consultation with a Czech doctor in a Czech hospital. It was about a vein in my leg. He said ' Whatever happens, you'll never walk alone'

[@BaldricksTurnip1]

Liverpool were meant to serve 3 seasons out of European football,but they got let in again after 1 other clubs missed out because of Liverpool.

[@theMad_Artist]

As an American Liverpool fan who wants to know more about the city's culture, thank you so much for this video! It was so informative. I hope to visit Merseyside someday

[@Gaffer_Bouncers]

Visit liverpool Not wools land (the rest of Merseyside such as Sefton, halton, knowsley and wirral and st helens)

[@Andy__0]

I didn't know about the England team mainly consisting of players playing in London back in the day. gg Aubrey. Great points made.

[@paulsmith5218]

It's not true.

[@herb2078]

It’s complete rubbish mate. Look at the stats Liverpool have provided 74 players second most of any club and Everton 68 fourth most represented club. They make it up as they go along

[@mrgangsta770]

LIVERPOOL IS A BEAUTIFUL CITY AND IT FELT LIKE HOME WHEN I VISITED THE CITY TO SEE LIVERPOOL. LIVERPOOL SHITS ON LONDON

[@ianwall3645]

Are you for real..... And you've actually been to that shithole....

[@arnoldhc0258]

Ian Wall it depends which part u live

[@aberdeendeltaforce]

I'm a Scot and work for a Liverpool company, and I can assure you the scousers have way more in common with Scots and Irish than they do with England, it is its own republic whether recognized or not.

[@deccat4157]

I’m from Liverpool but raised in the north east so my second team is Liverpool

[@williamdempsey9690]

I felt like that growing up as a young kid in Crocky. Then teenage years even more so. It was just there being scouse being unique .Then as an adult working around the country in the bleak 80's I sometimes played up to the scouse stereotype. When chatting quickly with mates in say Cambridge, London or wherever, they never had a jar of glue what we were sayin. Amen

[@malcolmdavidson955]

You guys are cool. Yes, you are different from much of England, but you are English. I realize most people in Liverpool are Labour supporters, and England is basically Tory, that being said, "Who Cares!". I lived in Bristol, which was great, but Liverpool has given so much to the world- great bands, comedians, actors, etc. I am from Boston, Massachusetts, USA. I never say I am from the USA; I always say Boston, even though I am from the USA, and I like my country. You guys make sense, and I like you.

[@fifagod5698]

It's kind of like Newcastle but i think the Geordies are happy and proud to be english

[@i_know_youre_right_but]

Same as every other city in England. We're proud of our cities, yet we're still proud to be English. Scousers just have some sense of 'superiority' and are arrogant as fuck, so they have to be different.

[@alexiasummer7475]

@@i_know_youre_right_but I’m a scouser and I sort of agree but I do see both sides x

[@tomwilko7841]

thanks for the history lesson boys but you're English and are talking about mainly northern working class issues (the port stuff aside), the basque reference was slightly cringe though...ynwa

[@staffordshirebullterrierli7411]

Have you ever seen Gazza goal against scots? Still on my knees 24 years later, phenomenal goal!

[@davidbroadley126]

Colin hendry slipped john Collins shud have took penalty he wud have buried it seaman saves a penalty against us and let's a goal in against Holland to knock us out gasgoine shud have had a red card against forest in 91 his first tackle in 2 mins kicking Garry parker in the chest and the 2nd one was one off the dirtiest tackle ave ever seen forest wud have being playing 10 men for 80 mins carried off shud have been sent dirty twat

[@JackoJ15]

As a northerner with scousers in my family, but not a scouser myself, i've always seen the "scouse not English" slogan as a cultural thing, rather than a statement to be taken literally. Aubrey's comments seem to back this up - Although there's no doubt Liverpool has a unique outward looking heritage that sets it apart from the rest of England. I just hope it doesn't mean scousers who do take more pride in being English aren't isolated from the civic pride of the city.

[@pallekanin91]

As a foreign Liverpool fan who is very interested in History, have an idea of the Irish people who starved, died an fled during the Great Famine - some took to Liverpool because the city wanted them, but the rest of England didn't. It could be a reason the disconnected feeling to London Correct me if I'm wrong

[@ooube]

Spot on. We had such an influx of Irish during the 19th Century due to the famine, either to come here and stay or to use us as a port to get to America. So much so that the "Scouse" accent is the way it is because of the sheer numbers of Irish who came into Liverpool in such a short space of time, morphing how we speak forever (the accent was a lot more like Lancashire or Mancunian before this time). At one point in the 1800's 1 in 5 people in Liverpool were Irish (and about 1 in 10 were Welsh). 3 of the Beatles do (Ringo is the odd one out) and we're the only city to have a significant Orange Lodge (growing up in Liverpool there has always been the Orange Lodge marches through the city - something I just assumed happened in every other city in the UK until it was pointed out to me that it didn't). I agree that the sense of disconnect to the rest of the UK that Scousers have and engender, and cultivate still to this day, will be in part due to this Irish heritage and the Irish persecution by the rest of the UK (in the 19th Century the Irish were the "evil immigrants" coming over to take our jobs, much like the Eastern Europeans are painted as being now) But also Liverpool has Britain's oldest Black community (from about 1730), the oldest Chinese community in Europe (early 19th century) and a huge Welsh heritage, as well as the first Yemeni and Malaysian communities in the UK - which all add to the idea of not being English but being something else/different

[@pallekanin91]

+Aubrey Reynolds Glad to hear my interest in history works! Besides football and my dad's influence the reasons I support Liverpool FC are: - the history of the city - the solidarity towards other people opposite the then imperialistic capitalistic London - I love The Beatles and the Music from back then - my political standpoints Plus my City's team (Vejle Boldklub in Denmark) is similar. The club was founded in 1981, we won 5 championships and 6 pocals and raised players like Thomas Gravesen, Allan Simonsen, John Sivebæk (all with a past in the Premier League or then top tier) - but we haven't won the Championship since the 80s Very similar teams founded with 1 years difference

[@pallekanin91]

+Daniel Sorry founded 1891 of course

[@ooube]

That's cool. History, solidarity (Ynwa is our anthem for a reason), music and politics are pretty much the definitions of Liverpool as a city and as a football club for me. And of course success and a sense of humour.

[@BackflipingSheep]

Comimg from Northern Ireland I am rooting for both, Northern Ireland and Republic of Ireland. I have been Liverpool fan my whole life and don't plan on changing. I actually have quite a bit of family from England so I don't mind when they win either. i can understand the Liverpool thing but maybe the support Liverpudlians give towards Liverpool should be also shown to England? Maybe?

[@mor8969]

Funny that. I was hearing talk sport and a caller called up saying the same thing. I thought the guy made no sense which still doesn't to me but I get what the phrase means and why. Interesting that.

[@tompeel8594]

I think the sense of patriotism amongst local Liverpool fans is decreasing with every generation, I couldn't give a shit if England won or lost to be honest I enjoy watching England because I can take a neutral perspective. Me dad does support England but is very much club before country but then me uncle who was born only 15 years after WW2 and is very patriotic and loves England almost as much as Liverpool, I think there is an increasing disconnection between Liverpool and the rest of the country and a lot of it does stem from us being a very working class and proud city

[@scottjohnevans97]

The national anthem is truly shocking

[@Kopite4life12]

If it was Jerusalem I would actually feel some pride! Can't stand God save the Queen!

[@oliver_jm]

Definitely agree. Racist to Scots and is about a fictional character saving a rich old woman.

[@neosgaming1]

+Oliver Morgan thanks as a scot who's starting to take a interest in Liverpool to the point will be going to a few games at anfield next season i appreciate that you agree about the national anthem being racist towards Scots Scouse

[@oliver_jm]

***** Nice to see someone with some sence. Flower of Scotland is miles better than God save the Queen.

[@danielstewart6603]

Well God save the queen is the British one Jerusalem is England's national anthem

[@elliottwatson8752]

I grew up as a forces kid with my dad in the RAF; living in different countries and cultures...I understand why I love Liverpool so much

[@UstashaMe84]

The whole Scouse not English thing just The Irish in Liverpool being sneaky about their sectarian ways. The Irish get any population in a city or town and they start claiming it for themselves.

[@owenhartguy7953]

How the fuck’s that sectarian? It has nothing to be with religion but Liverpool is very much an Irish city outside of Ireland. The Irish people are different from the rest and stand out

[@zzcanasta]

@@owenhartguy7953 Maybe it's something to do with the accent. When I go to the West of Ireland, people tend to assume (because of my Scouse accent) that I'm from Dublin.

[@adobdebunkology5671]

Guy on the left just admitted being an Evertonian until mid 20s. hahaha.

[@fitzbarbel]

Good attempt at dealing with the issue lads but it does go back much further than the 80s. Aub's dates are slightly out re the Lob Scouse stuff in that it appears in 'the wooden world', (sailing ships), in the early1700s where it was an addition to the Royal Navy's galley and so, from there, into our Port of Liverpool vessels, (see the works of Patrick O'Brian), and into the our eateries. Or, maybe it appeared here first with the Norwegian Merch and then onto the RN??? Our China Town is renown amongst the Chinese community as The Most Venerable China Town because it was the first worldwide - long before eg San Francisco. Our Chinese community was here long before The Famine, so long before the Irish diaspora. I'm 68 and have had this 'you're Scouse not English' most of my life. My Irish/Welsh & Jock ancestry was the root. In 1965 I nearly emigrated to Aus and after my medical my owl man said 'when they call you a pohm, tell them you're Scouse not English'. I never went in the end, fuckin awful accent that and there was too much happening here anyway. The 1980s Thatcher shite burned it into our psyche and now we the boys carrying the banners on the Kop. Incidentally, the Geordies feel the same too! One thing that is fuckin weird living amongst the English is having some soft cunt come up to you saying 'wow, and you haven't lost your accent either'. Daft twats! YNWA - Scouse NOT English!!

[@ooube]

Yeah lobscouse is from as far back as 1700's and the Norweygans, Lithuanians, Latvians and Danes who all came here on boats and all wanted something similar to what they had back home. Only about 100 years out with what i said in the vid! ;)

[@paulgray7014]

As a non scouser i really like Liverpool as a city and the people were great loved the night out. Just something why do some scousers want England to lose in a tournament? Get the disconnect from the thatcher years but thats political why bring football into that argument?

[@pfc4lufetth502]

Im a Liverpool fan I was born in Plymouth so I am proud to be English

[@Ballsdeepsport]

I'm an East Londoner and West Ham fan and some of what you said resonates and some I struggle to accept. Firstly the Queen - Personally I'm not anti-monarchy, but I don't feel a sense of connection with the royals and just see them as a symbol of our past that gives the UK an identity the world knows. And on the football/sporting front/politics, I always found it strange that we sing about a person and not what makes England great, which is of course the people. Once they tore down the Twin Towers and built the current abomination, the national team should have kept on touring and maintained that connection with the rest of the land. There are several grounds that England could play up north and down south and I think the Millennium Stadium was well liked as a cup final venue (aside from 2006) Now onto the Scouse not English stuff. Liverpool is absolutely no different to any other city or people inside of England. Above I stated I'm an East Londoner, not a Londoner and I love Cockney Culture (what's left of it.) The East End and east London form a huge part of my identity and I can't say I feel connected to the rest of the capital in the same way, plus in the four corner split we sort of have our own London cultures. With south-east London and east London, you could say we're two sides of the same coin, but there is real life division and rivalry there that manifests itself at football, namely West Ham and Millwall. So feeling pride in your area, region, city isn't an exclusive thing to Liverpool, nor is it the only city built on British and migrant blood that looked outward. I love Liverpool, so much so I married a Scouser and going on stereotypes of our future children, it's bound to be a thief and a flash one at that. I think people can take themselves too seriously sometimes and I think most of the country of England is happy within their own bubbles and taking the piss out of everyone else. Whether you're Cockney, Scouse, Manc, Geordie or Brunmie etc, we aren't that different. And it's West Ham before England in football. Always.

[@kevinwright2884]

Scott Bowman . What did the neighbours think about you? Did you get the old saying. Mixed marriages never work out. ?

[@merseydave1]

I will be 58 this April, I am from Liverpool the first part of my life in the Childwall Valley estate facing the now gone Corranation pup (now a lidl store) the rest of my life in and around Wavertree. I do not call myself a "scouser" when I am elsewhere I just say I am from Liverpool ... if people want to call me a "scouser" that's up to them. I recognise that we have a distictive accent compared to the rest of The North West (the influence of Irish and Welsh) and we have a sense of political/social justice yet the map tells us that we live in City of Liverpool in the Country of England ...that is a fact! Now for the football club or National Team ... nothing wrong with loving your local club AND nothing wrong in loving your National team, the reason for say ing National team instead of just saying England is this ... given the infuence of Irish and Welsh in our accent people may support Ireland/Wales or Scotland ... even though I have a strong Welsh influence I love/support England as its my Country but I want Wales, Ireland and Scotland to do well as well. So I am from Liverpool (I love my City and the people) and I am English (as I love my Country) I also love the British Isles

[@anthonylee923]

Im a Leeds fan and I feel the same. Yorkshire not English. I'm not arsed for England

[@MrSqueets]

This is the exact same thing as being from Dublin in Ireland. Dub before Irishman, the independent republic is the perfect way of putting it.

[@spudmurphy3836]

Thats fuckin bullshit. Ive never heard that in my life. The closest we have in Ireland is Cork people sayin theyre their own republic. Other than that we're all Irish

[@KryptonitetoallBS]

It's nothing more than liking your own region of the country more than liking your country. Cornwall want independence, North Wales much prefer their region to South Wales, Glaswegians don't particularly like Edinburgh and half of Glasgow don't even see themselves as Scottish, they're proud of their Irish descent. When you get to a certain size parochialism isn't as strong. eg Brummies are not as passionate about their hometown as say Geordies and Londoners are such a mix of cultures that they really couldn't give a shit. Scousers perceive themselves as different. That's because they are different. But so are many other regions just they don't keep banging on and on and on about it!!!

[@mokkaveli]

I've been a massive Liverpool supporter my whole life since I was 4, but I'm a born and bred Londoner so I don't understand this at all. Country comes first for me beyond anything.

[@stuartmckenzie4054]

Get them all out of England and replace them with someone who wants to be loyal to England and the UK

[@europa1387]

I'm from Liverpool but England first for me.

[@zzcanasta]

@@stuartmckenzie4054 How are you planning to manage that, Stuart? Kinder transport? Camps in Poland?

[@bigc5630]

I totally get it gents!!!! HAIL HAIL from Celtic fan in Belfast, you'll never walk alone... ....

[@Mark13091961]

I remember the same attitude back in the 70s amongst scousers - Liverpool first, England a distant second

[@stuartmckenzie4054]

How utterley disgusting to put your country second --- I am a brit first.

[@daveoshaughnessy]

stuart Mckenzie Just like the ‘Manager Decline’ by the disgusting Tories in the 80’s, and the disgraceful, criminal activity after Hillsborough, England’s Establishment has done it’s best to marginalise a city that has been the epitome of Rebellious, so no surprise they disassociate themselves with insular, navel-gazing little Brexiteer’ing England’ers.

[@itsBATSMENnotBATTERS]

@@daveoshaughnessy shut up u tool. Sound like a clown

[@daveoshaughnessy]

@@itsBATSMENnotBATTERS Personal attack? Name calling? What a Pathetic reply.

[@itsBATSMENnotBATTERS]

@@daveoshaughnessy Yea with that name you don’t get an opinion on English politics. Also you hate england because of its democracy? Nice one Dathy. Id live to see the day where those scousers who feel more Irish simply F off to Ireland

[@mickeypearce244]

What's he on about, like the basque? Liverpool just has a strong cultural identity, why you need to make out you're a different country? Yorkshire has much stronger cultural identity than Liverpool and we have our own flag. However it is in England and we are English.

[@davidwalters4906]

No.lad.leverpool. and.ireland.wee are.very.much.the.same big.time lad😉

[@mickeypearce244]

@@davidwalters4906 you have more in common with Africa with all the slave trade you got into.

[@kevinwright2884]

Mickey Pearce . Typical Yorkshire cannot abide anyone who states the truth about you. It would be easy to get back at you. By citing your appalling attitude towards prostitution in the eighties.

[@FloRiva2]

Wow this video was really informative, this kinda reminds me of Catalonia and the Basque region of Spain, they both have their own language and culture different from the ones in Madrid and the rest of Spain, and they both consider themselves Catalonian or Basque

[@manvesh97]

The thing with England is that almost every county has their own culture

[@ooube]

I don't think it's as political or as fuelled by hatred as the Catalonia divide (Franco really did truly fuck them, were as Maggie just tried); I have Catalonian family who pretty much refuse to be referred to as Spanish. And definitely not as extreme as the Basque National Liberation movements and conflicts, but it's definitely along the same lines as seeing ourselves as a different identity and as having a unique culture or perspective. As a scouser I have always felt (rightly or wrongly) that I have more in common with someone from Manhattan, Dublin, Sydney, Barcelona or Shanghai than I do with someone from a some Sommerset or Kentish village

[@DWSully14]

+Aubrey Reynolds I'm Irish and every scouser I've met holds that same opinion

[@John-qe8kc]

I don't. ..

[@John-qe8kc]

Just let's not mention what got Liverpool rich: the slave trade and the other meglomanical businessman that thrived in Liverpool. I presume they were "Englishmen" lol

[@Gasboy92]

It's not just Scousers that are seen as different in England, there is a certain attitude all throughout England of disliking other towns and cities, whether it be Liverpool, Manchester, London, Birmingham, Newcastle etc. I often see that Scousers are portrayed and seen as lesser beings, which is a terrible shame. But what I'm trying to say is that it is translating onto the England team, who never seem to have unified support from the whole country. People like Bale and Skrtel have mentioned how England lacks the same passion and I think this is true in terms of fans and support. I was not born and raised in England but have lived in several countries and in terms of the national team, the support and pride of supporting and playing for your country seems to be less in England. England seems to be a sort of fun sideshow next to the Premier league. I have always supported my country and I couldn't care less what club they are playing for.

[@ViolentFEAR]

Came here to listen to some friendly banter against the English, got a lesson in Liverpool history instead. You have to love Aubrey.

[@ooube]

Cheers mate, much appreciated.

[@John-qe8kc]

The whole celtic thing is 18th century baloney. The real divide in Britain is between the aristocratic class and the rest. An American author- Jack London- wrote a book called ' The people of the abyss' and it was about working class Londoners and the unbelievable misery and poverty these people were suffering at the height of empire. No folk songs or memories about these poor people.

[@johnc2938]

Kinell Aubrey la! Scouse Power!

[@katy6896]

Seeing Paul in a Germany shirt made me feel like he'd taken a shit in a cup of tea but I agree and feel the same for everything said. I'm from near Sheffield in a town (what I know of the 80s is how the miners were targeted) where there wasn't any other ethnicities or religions until very recently. I don't sing the national anthem, (I say I know the Sex Pistols' version) both as an atheist and Very strongly Labour. Everyone seems to want out of the EU. I support England because I was born and live in England nothing to do with anything else.

[@benzskyeshxc96]

As a malaysia/asian everyone is love liverpool. From 30milion malaysia population half of them is liverpool fans and other than that is mu,city,chelsea,arsenal and non supporter. Even my city is full with liverpool poster and flag. I bet non of scouser will pay attention when we are chants when watching liverpool playing at "Kedai kopi" like a restoran mix starbucks.

[@staffordshirebullterrierli7411]

I agree, I don't give a Fk about England, it's only our club that counts! YNWA 96! We are so blessed to find Klopp! Klopps 1st club Mainz sang 'you'll never walk alone' is no coinceence!

[@chestikov2011]

I had those feelings growing up as a teenager in the 70's.It seemed natural to be scouse not English.Working down South in the depressed 80's and supporting left labour again all seemed so natural.Again in the recent general election Liverpool voted labour whereas a lot of working class " labour heartlands " voted for the conservative rabble who say England not Europe.So my motto is "red or dead " YNWA