What is tactical voting?

[@danielcooper1294]

"Can you really blame the major parties for doing their best to preserve the status quo, and maintain the system which has kept them in power for hundreds of years?" Me: "Yes". Jay: "Yes". AAAAYYYY!!!!!

[@clodaghmiller6552]

It may be just me but I think he really sounded like Daniel Radcliffe there

[@zinelabidineessihi]

That's a good punchline of sorts and it rather speaks to most of us !

[@GRBtutorials]

We said it at the same time!

[@pedroviniciuspreiswelter4710]

"Can you really blame the major parties..." YES!!! "...for doing their..." Oh there's more? But still YES!!!!

[@koretmulder6316]

I can surely blame them. They're immoral, and horrible. But I'm not naive enough to expect them to willingly give up their stranglehold.

[@tedbaltz2164]

I can't believe that Great Britain had an opportunity to update their voting system and didn't take it. American politicians would never let it get that close to happening.

[@nevereasier]

For posterity's sake, I'll explain partly why it happened: half the people who voted against it only did so to spite the guy who wanted it and would profit most from it (Nick Clegg of the Lib Dems) since he reneged on some of his biggest electoral promises (in exchange for securing the AV-referendum) when he formed the coalition with the Conservatives-which he only did because he thought it was worth it in the long run to accept some bad policies as long as he could get AV passed. Spoiler alert: he couldn't, it wasn't, and the Lib Dems have never recovered.

[@alanmichael5619]

@@nevereasier Nick Clegg really was one of the most idiotic politicians of our age. Remember Cleggmania? I was a student living in Sheffield Central at the time and that guy positively *hounded* us for our votes with the tuition fees line. And there he was supporting precisely the opposite policy months later.

[@Pc118Gamer]

There was a referendum in my state recently, it was overwhelmingly rejected

[@LPintendo]

I'm Australian and, after reading that anti-AV conservative flyer, I haven't seen anyone here say we want to get rid of it.

[@officialgazj]

Yeah pretty much that entire leaflet was the usual political propaganda baloney scaremongering The most ironic thing, is that #5 on there is “no one wants it, not even the yes voters”, which has got to be one the dumbest things I’ve ever read! 😂

[@masudaahmed7990]

Ikr

[@youngnorwegianpatriot9028]

The first point is also one that is so wrong. You still have one vote, however how many times it needs to be counted. Even then, a system that counts some votes only once seems not like a stable one, since we are not free of failure.

[@urmaisgay6495]

luckily for the tories, most british people dont travel. at least not outside europe. so they end up just believing whatever the news tells them.

[@coca_0146]

@internet person With knifes or chainsaws?

[@oxherder9061]

If there was any justice in this world your channel would be far bigger and more popular in the UK

[@Seb135-e1i]

@CadenACo US problems are what CGP Grey is for :b

[@kitfisher7207]

That’s because people like to say “We don’t get taught about this stuff in school” but then never bother to try and learn it as an adult.

[@videosfromelsewhere926]

To quote Ian Hislop, "If this is Justice, then I'm a banana"

[@Julianna.Domina]

*Than the UK

[@ixlnxs]

😎 It's because most of his supporters in the UK feel compelled to subscribe to The Tim Traveller instead. 🤩

[@FirstLast-un3oe]

2:39 Australia doesn't want to get rid of AV we all like it.

[@James-xx7yt]

I don't know anyone who opposes it here in Australia. Not even one politician on T.V or one article on the web. I guess lying and scaremongering is part of the political kit in all countries.

[@noofa88]

Though it has still lead to a two-party system.

[@James-xx7yt]

I Don't Agree to Page Terms Well democracy needs constant tinkering, AV is a sure sight better than FPP. The two-party system is mostly because of media coverage of elections, an external progagator of the spoiler affect. When the elections come up it's treated as absolute certainty that either of the two major parties will form government. Voters (the poor dearies) only see political bitching and slogans (specifically major polticians dismissing 3rd parites). They never see a comprehensive comparison of independent's/party policy. This is mostly because media conglomerates want to report the elections as digestible, dramatic and sensational to attract viewers (as well as avoid offending their advertisers). It might be best to hold media companies to a standard during something as important as their main coverage of elections. Outside of that standard they can go hog wild with sensational stories. It's not helped that companies are allowed to donate large sums of money to politicians to run election ads. Why bother investing in new parties when the control they have over the current ones are so ubiquitous?

[@MustSeto]

Australia's upper house uses STV, a proportional system, and it not so dominated. The issue is that AV, although somewhat better than FPTP, still enforces two-party domination and tactical voting. This is because, despite what proponents often claim, it arguably doesn't eliminate the spoiler effect, it just changes it some. Under AV, your compromise can be eliminated before its considered, and cause your least favorite to win, where if you had strategically put your compromise first, ahead of your true favorite, you could at least get your compromise. So under AV, it's still best to put your preferred front-runner first. In fact if I remember correctly, third parties in Australia aren't too happy about AV, and want to use proportional voting in both houses. But there are single-winner systems that don't have this problem, like Score Voting, Approval Voting, and arguably Condorcet Voting.

[@communistpropagandist4608]

Skyval Ream That's not correct. It doesn't matter what order you put two parties in if one gets elemintated. Watch CGP Grey's video on STV for a more mathematical understand of the system.

[@justanotherglorpsdaymornin5097]

I was 10 back in 2011 and now knowing that there was an option for reforming our elections that the public voted against has peeved me off quite considerably. I shall have to make a nice cup of tea to settle myself down.

[@Inkyminkyzizwoz]

A lot of people voted against it simply because it wasn't the particular system they wanted, which was incredibly short sighted. Yes, maybe it wasn't PR, but it was the only chance at reforming the system that the Government were prepared to offer! There is a saying that goes 'Don't let perfect be the enemy of good'

[@BelovedMadman]

now this is a British comment.

[@Ryan-ct3rv]

@@Inkyminkyzizwoz so ironically they should have voted tactically for a system that would allow them to vote how they feel lmao

[@andrewhrusovsky9426]

This is the most British thing I've ever read

[@StefanVeenstra]

@@Ryan-ct3rv Yes. Because up until it reforms, it's the only option to vote those out of power who least represent you.

[@melledevries4685]

2:40 seeing this really makes me mad. When you actually think about it, most of these points are blatantly false. I'd ask who they think they're fooling, but I guess they succesfully fooled enough people.

[@Floristini]

It's been 8 months but I was thinking the same. Not being aware of the exact circumstances of the country since I'm not from the UK, I can safely say that at least 3 of those 5 points are invalid or simply dumb, disregarding the fact that point 1 and 2 are essentially the same, basically 1.1 and 1.2. Point 3 - it's a valid point up to when they say it's a long, complicated process. But that's not the main argument. The main argument they use is that it will "cost the taxpayer millions". Not "millions of taxpayer pounds", or something of the sort. No, it will cost the INDIVIDUAL taxpayer millions. Sounds a lot scarier than it is. Plus, if that didn't make it invalid enough, it's a textbook slippery slope fallacy. The argument's strength is totally based on a ficticious hypothetical scenario. "x is complicated, which COULD mean y, which causes z." x is the real scenario. From that they deduce that y might happen. And then they attack y (not x) by saying that z (bad) might happen. Point 4 - no proof is given. Pretty sure that's a fallacy as well but I'm no philosopher so I don't fucking know all of them. Possibly appeal to authority or false authority. Basically it's source: "trust me bro". Point 5 - plain hypocritical. "No one wants it, it's just a convenient tool to get what's closer to what they really want" is exactly what the current form of voting represents. Wanting x but voting something closer to x because x can't possibly win is the whole point of this video. And let's not mention that the 3rd image, the one with the baby, is a textbook appeal to emotion fallacy with a little bit of hypocrisy sprinkled on top. "This baby will FUCKING DIE if you vote for this." Will the baby get those 250 million that it needs if you don't vote for it? Well, probably not, but hey, what matters is we didn't waste them on doing that particular thing. God I'm actually proper mad that people fall for these bullshit propaganda tactics.

[@adamlea6339]

Same with Brexit, people are ignorant and are happy to be told what to think, because doing one's own research on the claims is far too much cognitive effort. It comes down to who shouts the loudest.

[@michelsfeir1127]

Adam Lea AV is objectively better than FPTP. Brexit is a complicated issue with no objective answer. It's not comparable

[@ChrisMelville]

@@adamlea6339 Yes. The mainstream media told people to vote to remain, and so many listened. Fortunately, there are enough thinking people in this country who saw through their lies.

[@cammarc]

@@ChrisMelville Didn't see past the blatantly false posters and such (eg the infamous buses) though.

[@JamieCurrant]

And now the Stripy Party's called a snap general election so I've had to watch this again!

[@alphamikeomega5728]

Hello from the future 😂

[@mashucha]

Oh no you've predicted the future

[@amelyalilyorme1247]

yun i mean, there was a snap skeleton in 2017 too 😜

[@reformCopyright]

Oh, snap!

[@firescorched954]

I have come from the even further future after another snap election

[@legendary176]

"Little Upper Chipping Stortford on the Mimms" I'm surprised this isn't a real place in the UK.

[@clickrick]

There used to be, but nowadays its name has been shortened to Limping Meme. There's a Map Men video about how that happened.

[@SgtPeppersLonelyHeartsClubBand]

Upon Thames

[@reichtangle7734]

@@SgtPeppersLonelyHeartsClubBand Upon Avon

[@koretmulder6316]

US politics has become so completely polarized between two parties throughout my entire life (I'm 56) that I have never once voted for a candidate I fully supported. I've placed my vote with the candidate who had the most populous chance of keeping the other party out. There were definitely small third-party candidates I preferred, but in an overwhelmingly two-party system, "splitting the vote" is a constant threat in every major election. It's frankly demoralizing. And the problem with implementing "alternative voting" is that it would need to be ratified legally by either one of the two ruling US parties, neither of which have any political incentive to invite in more competition.

[@ixlnxs]

🥰 Sounds like at least you live in a place where both major parties could win. Imagine being a Republican in Brookline, MA or Provo, UT. 😎

[@WillCanSnortIt]

Well I live in a place called Maine, where there are rivers of milk and honey and ranked choice voting! Yay!

[@tultoi5651]

That’s why revolutions exist. They don’t have to be violent, mind you.

[@OptimusPhillip]

@@WillCanSnortIt *raises Moxie* Here here!

[@tissuepaper9962]

OTOH, voting for a candidate that surely won't win is a way to signal to whoever does win that you exist and don't actually agree with their policies, and may actually influence them to shift their policies towards those of whomever you voted for. I voted for Jo Jorgenson in 2020, not because I thought she had a snowball's chance in hell of winning, but because I liked the idea of showing Democrats and Republicans alike that real people are out there who can't stand either of them. In addition, I couldn't stomach the idea of voting for Trump or Biden as individuals irrespective of their party affiliations. Not only do I disagree with both of them on serious political issues like gun control and immigration (I'm a pro-gun, pro-immigration, pro-abortion, pro-military unicorn), they're both frankly senile and incoherent. Only ~2.5% of people voted for Jorgenson, but that's 2.5% of the vote that the two mainline parties are desperate to have for themselves.

[@DreamClean]

Still don't understand why AV was shat on so much.

[@Myuseu]

QuixoticQuaver It would result in fewer seats for Labour and the Conservatives, so they had a large incentive to make it look bad.

[@DreamClean]

Alsiexmon The public fell for it in droves. Why any member of the public wants to support a two party system is baffling to me.

[@TheIanOakley]

QuixoticQuaver It wasn't far enough. We needed STV.

***** Fuck Kofi Annan.

[@WorldNews92]

QuixoticQuaver The real reason, sadly, is because it was seen as Nick Clegg's idea, and he wasn't popular at the time. Referendums are unfortunately treated as protest votes just like European and local elections, even if referendums are more important.

[@facehighfive]

2:40 'It's discredited' - "...both Fiji and Australia want to get rid of it" What a load of crap, I've never heard that arguement mentioned as a mainstream issue of Australian politics.

[@smonkk8556]

tories lying to get their way? who'da thunk it

[@masudaahmed7990]

I’m an Aussie and I approve this message

[@EightThreeEight]

All five of those reasons are bollocks.

[@Diamond-OSCandMarblestuff]

🏳️‍🌈and🇳🇿hate 1st past the post

[@JSSMVCJR2.2]

@@Diamond-OSCandMarblestuff Thanks for the impresion of all of you.

[@Pingijno]

I love how scaremonging in politics is always obviously stupid but it always works

[@RhysBeard]

I love how Tombola was on the list of voting

[@matthewlaw4308]

***** also rifle-led coercion, television phone-in and it's a knock-out, which would also be great

[@icameherejusttocomment550]

Rhys Beard They actually used a lottery system for choosing people for office in Ancient Greece.

[@QuarioQuario54321]

Matthew Law How would those work?

[@QuarioQuario54321]

hasan kamran I guess disproportional representation would be proportional representation but with the proportions

[@mcbain23]

2:16 in case you missed them "Disproportional Representation", "Tombola", "Rifle-led Coercion" and "TV Phone-in" ha ha most amusing young Jay!

[@joesoldchanneldeprecated5948]

"It's a knock-out!"

[@mcbain23]

Thanks Joe, 5 years later you have completed the list!

[@joesoldchanneldeprecated5948]

@@mcbain23 Yw.

[@papaquonis]

First past the post is such a ridiculous system. So glad we don't use that in my country.

[@EightThreeEight]

Which country would that be, may I ask?

[@papaquonis]

Eight-Three-Eight Denmark.

[@EightThreeEight]

***** I envy you guys and your delicious proportional representation...

[@papaquonis]

Eight-Three-Eight Yeah, proportional representation isn't perfect either (I doubt there is such a thing as a perfect democratic system), but I would definitely take that over first past the post any day of the week.

[@Inkyminkyzizwoz]

The main problem with PR is that constituencies in more sparsely populated parts of the country will either end up covering massive areas (thus making them harder to get round) or only have one or two MPs (thus effectively defeating the object of the system in the first place!) It wouldn't be an issue if the population was spread more evenly

[@KyleAButler]

AV was the first thing I ever voted on. It also started the trend of every single referendum and general election not going my way. Democracy!

[@enlightenedscepticuk8774]

I wish this guy had his own TV show, he deserves an enormous audience for his entertainment and hilarious humour.

[@dogvom]

"Little Upper Chipping Stortford on the Mimms"... beautiful...

[@Roxor128]

Such a pity the referendum to move to Preferential Voting (as we call it in Australia) didn't work out. It was our conservatives who pushed for it to be implemented here after the rise of the National Party split the conservative vote resulting in a Labor win back in the 1920s.

[@robinsonjones1571]

were you labs won in the 1920s? I was under the impression that pre-coalition and coalition governments had been in power from 1917-1929 (Hughes, Bruce)

[@lordsrednuas]

Robinson Jones, you are correct that the Nationalist party was in power from 1917 to 1929, Roxor128 seems to have simplified some things, unfortunately to the point where some errors have crept in. Preferential Voting was actually established in 1918 (a little before the 20's, but not far off) and was a reaction to Labor wins (both federally and at the state level), in electorates that had been considered safe. Not to the point of actually changing the federal government, but enough of a shake up that the Nationalists didn't feel safe continuing with the status quo.

[@joshkusiak7613]

well now they are the basicly the same party so it dont really matter anymore.

[@JSSMVCJR2.2]

@@lordsrednuas This can only mean that the only way to see a change in the political system is on cases where a party or parties want to remain in control in the midst of a wake of a third power. Thing is, I don't know how possible it may be in the UK.

[@lordsrednuas]

@@JSSMVCJR2.2 I would agree that is the main way, but not nessicarially the only way. Pressure from the electorate seems the most likely way forward in the UK right now. And it seems the UK establishment agree with me because of how much effort they spent telling lies about the process last time the UK had the opportunity. Considering how brexit went too, I don't think a second referendum on voting would go any differently until there are major changes to the UKs media ( Don't care if anyone was pro or anti brexit, just using it to highlight the UK's disinformation machine)

[@harrypotteravenclaw]

I love how the music changed per year

[@TotoDG]

Hey, I live in Little Upper Chipping Stortford On The Mimms!

[@CountFisco]

Asweh I see you in literally every comment section on KZbin

[@masudaahmed7990]

Finally food in the ussr

[@bauefrenchmen3126]

@@masudaahmed7990 its a spice and a food? must be a luxary good, ill trade you a beat and a unpainted lada.. okay 2 beats and i paint over the rust spots..

[@ballsperson233]

шнy аге u еveгушнеге?

[@hughmungus8110]

I read the title as "What is tactical vomiting?", alongside party graphs in the thumbnail I thought I was in for a banger of a video. Good video anyways I guess just not what I wanted to see. New video idea wink wink ;)

[@natebit7167]

Hope this drops soon

[@michelweienborn5635]

In germany we call it "taktisches bäuerchen" bäuerchen is a word that descripes the burbs of a baby and i thing thats beautiful

[@andrew4363]

Tactical vomiting is less fun than it sounds...

[@tomdobson9343]

Mungus

[@nate_storm]

humongous wot?

[@wildsurfer12]

Who else is watching this before the 2019 General Election?

[@Xapper0]

I'm watching it after. It pains me more

[@spidermain]

@@Xapper0 yeah. Conservatives won because there wasn't enough tactical voting

[@tpmiranda]

When the tactical vote is for Jeremy Corbyn, I guess there wasn't much option...

[@rockypower5168]

@@tpmiranda Jeremy Corbyn actually cares about people, unlike boris

[@Spoon3rYT]

@@rockypower5168 Lol look at the Corbynista wanks xD

[@CooperCarr]

You deserve millions of subscribers!

[@wilfojac9643]

2:20 that is the muppet version of "forget you" in the background and i am so happy to hear it i love this channel

[@AshleyCollingwood]

So many videos in so little time. These are SO good.

[@WralthChardiceVideo]

Im more interested in that "Tombola" voting system you listed.

[@bsm239]

All the candidates have to play bingo. The prize is the seat.

[@alpha1games275]

Every vote equals one ticket, after every one is done voting one ticket is selected randomly. More votes give you a higher chance at winning but even a guy that got only one vote could be elected.

[@reformCopyright]

@Jacob L Still better than FPTP.

[@n1thmusic229]

Tombola is bingo just imagine that

[@anantkerur557]

I'm even more interested in the one after that - rifle led coersion

[@Rowcan]

Rifle-led coercion: the only method preferred by strong governments who get things done.

[@PlanetaryFacts]

CGP grey does a good job with election systems. Jay Foreman makes it more interesting.

[@DaDARKPass]

Too bad he's really dumb in everything else.

[@someguynamedsteve203]

@@DaDARKPass your not so smart yourself

[@DaDARKPass]

@@someguynamedsteve203 Sorry but when asked why he doesn't like Jazz music, he called music "a way to manipulate the mind" WTF? IT'S MUSIC, NOT A PSYCHOACTRIC TREATMENT!

[@someguynamedsteve203]

@@DaDARKPass Think about it Music brings Emotions Emotions Are a part of the mind There for they manipulate the mind

[@DaDARKPass]

@@someguynamedsteve203 YOU'RE FUCKING INSANE TOO! STOP ANALYSING MUSIC AS IF IT'S A PSYCH STATE! IT'S SOMETHING TO ENJOY, NOT TO ANALYSE.

[@gavin169]

Little Upper Chipping Stortford On The Mimms is my favorite constituency

[@TheSmart-CasualGamer]

You should see North Greater Mitherington St Strafulous by the Tide Central. They're fantastic.

[@nettieb7604]

somehow rewatching this video has become my pre-election ritual 🫡

[@blookarakal4417]

I can’t believe I first noticed now that the voters said they liked parties that matched the patterns on their shirts.

[@BebxOfficial]

Wait since when did Australia not like preferential voting? It's awesome! @ 2:39

[@damianmatras8568]

"...that we least don't un-hate the most." This sounds like maths.

[@eken1725]

I used my knowledge of Alternative Voting from this video to get a good grade in school. Thanks Jay. :-)

[@mban7042]

0:19 - There are two Candidates for the Tartan party. tut tut tut

[@JayForeman]

Michael Banin Get on with your work!

[@tannerwilson4843]

+Jay Foreman Do you have plans to do any videos on the American Election next year. If you want to talk low voting turnout. Check out our mid-term elections last year, check out this map! www.electionproject.org/2014g

[@mlx39996]

"if you vote UKIP, you'll get labour" well if you vote reform, you'll get labour. he was right. and thank god for that. tories out! labour in!

[@messystudios8505]

I find it really sad that if it wasnt for reform splitting the right wing vote , the tories would have probably won again (well at least the popular vote)

[@mlx39996]

@@messystudios8505 I don’t. Also the same could be said for Lib Dems taking votes from labour.

[@joshygoldiem_j2799]

@@messystudios8505keep it at popular vote please. And don't intrude His Majesty's private quarters until you've cut down on the parties.

[@SquireApollo]

This comment didn't age well post-budget

[@Rose-x1n]

Thank god for reform not winning lol. They just seem like whining white men

[@TheAlondane]

"We should switch to a different voting system" "Great idea! But we have all these different systems to choose from. Which one should we use?" "I dunno. We should vote on it!"

[@KevinZ.000]

Just found this channel a few weeks ago, love it. In the good 'ole U.S. of A. we call this ranked choice voting some smaller areas have adopted it but has not caught on nationally.

[@Laughterhouse5]

This couldn’t be more relevant now.

[@daishoryujin95]

I got literal chills down my spine at 1:48. No surprises is one of the best songs on Ok computer.

[@JoaoMBA5]

CGP Grey made 2 great videos about the very flawed UK’s electoral system. One is called “Why the UK Election Results are the Worst in History” and the other called “The Problems with First Past the Post Voting Explained”. Totally worth watching.

[@-ism8153]

The latter is one of several animal kingdom videos talking about election systems.

[@joaogross4273]

"least don't unhate the most", is a good way to put it. In Brazil it happens the same way, people tend to vote in the candidate they believe will win the election, not the one they really like.

[@IsomerMashups]

Still better than Canada, where even if everyone voted for one of the two major parties, the one the minority voted for could still win. Definitely better than the US, where the popular vote doesn't dictate the federal leader.

[@lincolnshynider6788]

The electoral college is based on how much power a state has in the legislative branch. Each state has a semi proportional vote. It's actually brilliant considering it gives rural areas which normally don't have any power a bit of attention

[@cammarc]

@@lincolnshynider6788 True, but surely if most people vote for one person and the other one gets the presidency that isn't very good. I'd say people probably matter more than land when it comes to democracy.

[@stitchfinger7678]

@@cammarc Yeah. If we're electing the NATIONAL leader, why is the deciding vote a STATES issue?

[@seancraig7773]

@@stitchfinger7678 In the US, the national government is federal, i.e., governs the federation of the states. Since the states have a degree of sovereignty (hence "states" not "provinces"), the design of the federal government probably has to acknowledge them. The alternative to the EC was just as likely to something like how the presidency of the European Commission is elected, than it was to be a pure popular vote. That said, I agree the result sucks, democratically speaking. If you're not familiar, check out the National Popular Vote compact for one way that (mostly-left-leaning) states are trying to bodge the Electoral College into a de facto popular vote without rewriting the constitution.

[@clickrick]

@@lincolnshynider6788 But it means that all the rallies happen in no more than about 10 states, leaving the "safe" ones unvisited and taken for granted. If the presidential election were changed to be a national popular vote then that would end, and candidates would have to fight for every vote everywhere.

[@chguardi]

I've recently found your channel and binged everything in a week. Great, inventive and GD hilarious content. Thank you for making the world even a little smarter.

[@gnnascarfan2410]

I love the nice touch of including a famous song in each year the election poll appears.

[@RickyPro888]

The AV method is used in Australia and it works pretty well here, apart from that there are only 2 major parties still.

[@Tzizenorec]

Sounds like IRV is broken too. Need to switch to something else, like Approval Voting. (Incidentally, who's to blame for assigning the acronym AV to a voting system other than Approval Voting?)

[@LashanR]

As an Australian we definitely do not want to get rid of our system 😂

[@danzk]

As an Aussie I think our system is ok but the MMP system of New Zealand is better.

[@masudaahmed7990]

@@danzk could u explain that to me?

[@Bomber679]

"Australia wants to get rid of AV". Australia doesn't even use AV... we use majority preferential instant run-off voting, and single transferable vote proportional representation. Now, majority preferntial instant run-off voting is similar to AV, but the key difference (at least from what I gathered in this video) is that under MPIRV you have to number *every* box, not just 1 and 2. STVPR is like that too, but a little different because of "above the line" and "below the line" voting, but that's a whole thing.

[@legitimate8463]

0:06 keep on rewinding I want to see Jay do the dance

[@codeisawesome369]

The face and voice with which you say “maths” is legitimately scary

[@gibhib]

Personally, rifle-lead coercion has always seemed like the best way to vote, especially if you’re the one holding the rifle!

[@henrybauze2932]

Hi from Australia AV does give some seats to third parties but there's still a fairly entrenched two-party system. Most Australians (feel free to correct me) feel as though there's enough representation, less spoiler effect, and still enough two party-ness that it doesn't turn into an awful nightmare of unstable coalitions (citation: Italy) The main benefit of AV (for me) is that you don't have wildly unrepresentative elections where parties win far more seats than they should because of the spoiler effect. In the 2024 UK election now, labour will win about two thirds of the seats with about 34% of the vote. That just doesn't seem correct.

[@mauro-baumann]

That's why Switzerland is superb!

[@borjangagovski6545]

Love the way "No Surprises" was sneaked in for 1997 lol (1:49)

[@luxpra2698]

1:48 i can't believe i just recognised radiohead from a 1-second sound clip

[@residual]

is it a bad thing that i instantly recognized the exact song

[@AndrewTateOfficial]

congrats on finally hitting a mill Jay :DDD

[@SJohann]

2:21 I honestly love that 'F*ck You' Chicken Remix, or should I call it 'Bawk You'?

[@wilfojac9643]

that actually made my day to hear that

[@rorrt]

*AV+ There was never a referendum on the alternative vote. We voted for Alternative (plus). And that might be why barely anyone voted in the referendum, i'd hazard a guess that AT LEAST 40%+ of the people who voted in the referendum had no idea they weren't voting for plain 'ol vanilla AV. I'd love reform.. BUT in the long run it would lead to plenty more coalition governments. So, if people want that, thats fine.

[@JoeBleasdaleReal]

David David David David David David David David David David David David Davis

[@shiftymeister]

I not even british. Why can‘t I stop watching your videos? What kind of magic is this?

[@joewalker643]

I would have voted flowers too XD XD who is that guy I recognise him from somewhere.

[@JayForeman]

His name's Paul Kendler. He co-wrote, directed, held the camera for, and has a cameo in several videos on this channel.

[@joewalker643]

that'l be where then. thank you for your prompt response, consider yourself subbed my good man!

[@SgtPeppersLonelyHeartsClubBand]

@@JayForeman jay foreman hello lol

[@gibp3576]

2:16 Rifle-led coercion is surely the best alternative, lol.

[@JamesTilsley1]

David David Davis made quite a come back

[@student_initiative4926]

I really like the thought of 'its a knockout!'. Imagine keir starmer and rishi wrestle for prime minister. Although, i think boris would do very well cause he had tackled a kid once in his premiership. After some thought, i think they're just gonna look like they're fighting, but the winner's gonna be decided by a shady guy.

[@DimensionalIO]

1:50 What's the song?

[@JayForeman]

1987 Michael Jackson - Bad 1992 Whitney Houston - I Will Always Love You 1997 Radiohead - No Surprises 2001 Kylie Minogue - Can't Get You Out of My Head 2005 James Blunt - You're Beautiful 2010 Katy Perry - California Gurls 2015 Hozier - Take Me to Church

[@Aidiera]

You're missing 2:20 "Cluck You".

[@Marylandbrony]

For 2017 would you do Rockabye or "Shape or you"? Maybe Despactio even if it's not even targeted at the glorious Anglo-Saxon market.

[@aperson5994]

Marylandbrony shape or you? Don’t you mean shape of you ? Great song

[@Mirko_Doggen]

@@JayForeman thank you

[@Orwennian]

Why am I even watching these? I'm a monarchist... God save the Tsar!

[@damienheemskerk]

Meanwhile in the Netherlands 4 party's are basically tied and even more are right behind

[@alfyryan6949]

a coalition government comes to mind

[@gb6710]

Finally, a person that can boil down the vote and how important it can be.

[@wesleywilson5984]

The parallels between the U.S. and the U.K. are bewildering. I've been pushing for rank-choice voting for years and I have seen some of these dumb arguments against it. I just realized what the two parties will do if it actually starts to gain some ground. This is going to be a long battle :/

[@empice2k]

In LoUiSiAna (my home state) whenever there are more than 2 candidates for a particular office there will always be a Runoff Election between the two highest vote earners IF no one receives at least 51% of the votes cast.

[@imranhazim5434]

Voters give their opinion based on shirt they wearing.

[@deetvleet]

voters buy shirts based on the opinions they're wearing

[@kayleighlehrman9566]

US 2 party system is even more polarized than UK 2 party system; no third party candidate has ever won anything above the state level, and very few independents

[@wade-potato6200]

2:17 “RIFLE-LED COERCION” Yeah, sounds like Russia to me

[@tessjuel]

1:56 So that's why the UK has such a strong and stable government! I've been wonderng about that.

[@georgesukhotin3730]

If everyone will vote how they feel, other parties will be more powerful and might even win.

[@carstarsarstenstesenn]

I love the pop music from each year lmao

[@hummushummus438]

Lmao imagine not having a preferential vote this comment was brought to you by the australia gang

[@TonySpike]

0:55 ....omg its Candletown from Puddle Lane

[@conormurphy4328]

I wish our country’s leaders where determined by tombola.

[@Shakes-Off-Fear]

Here in Australia, we have the Alternative voting system, otherwise known as ‘Preferential Voting’. Otherwise, it’s quite similar to the British system. You vote for your local representative who most likely is part of one of the major parties and, unfortunately, it also means that two parties have risen to the top.

[@hannahwicks7197]

Nigel Farage watched this video.

[@Sem5626]

i can't imagine voting in a system without preferential voting... it makes our elections here in Australia so much more representative

[@doristheslug9609]

1:09 Is that vicki pipe?

[@n1thmusic229]

I thought it was obvious, the voice, skin colour, hair colour the only thing different is the hair and that was probably done on purpose

[@caitthenerd7470]

Rifle-led Coercion sounds like a great way to vote!

[@xperialinks]

0:21 NOOO VOTE B’GAAARK!

[@alasdairduncan3]

"The party with the best chance of winning that we least don't unhate the most" Brilliant

[@kennethwade7806]

I personally would love to vote in a tombola system

[@TheBcoolGuy]

This is the purpose of a republic. It allows for a political platform for each party to be chosen by the people and then the two most popular platforms compete against each other, regardless of party association.

[@VulcanTrekkie45]

Long live STV!

[@thisistheglasshouse]

that small half second blip of No Surprises hit me like a truck

[@brookemuzzatti9710]

SINGLE TRANSFERABLE VOTE>>>

[@philave5482]

Oh my God! Every now and again I watch this video and as I change as a person I keep finding more and more in Jay's videos! What a FUCKING talent! Thanks

[@MURDERPILLOW.]

0:27 whats this music

[@JayForeman]

The theme from Housewives’ Choice. (A VERY old BBC radio show) kzbin.info/www/bejne/p6LWoWdnaLiLq7Msi=zILFtmdAizsNzx2c

[@ItsZombiefied]

man is still replying to comments in time for the general election 9 years on. respect

[@MURDERPILLOW.]

​@@JayForeman absolute legend ❤

[@ProsecutorZekrom]

⁠​⁠​⁠@@JayForemanDid you hear it from Five go mad in Dorset?

[@JayForeman]

@@ProsecutorZekrom probably.

[@certified-forklifter]

this video popped up in my recommendations... and i quite liked it! great done

[@pragueuprising560]

Weird that i got recommended this video today huh

[@ProsecutorZekrom]

Stop the tories is the best tactical voting site FYI

[@pragueuprising560]

@@ProsecutorZekrom I've already decided who I'm voting for

[@TheOneTrueNothing]

This video is ageing like a fine wine.

[@sophiegrey9576]

Lucky you, UK, you got a slim chance to change the system. We across the pond in the United States have never even gotten the privilege of questioning first past the piss.

[@asheep7797]

Fist Past This Piss

[@JSSMVCJR2.2]

"first past the piss" you just want to shit on it.

[@leflamewolf]

Of the 5 reasons AV is bad 3 is the funniest to me because this system is basically just a bunch of if/else statements (If choice n is last move to choice n+1, else do nothing) which is basically among the top most basic things computers do, it's literally just a true or false statement which you put on repeat until someone has a majority. Literally the very first computer did this, and people do it.