What happened to London's trams?

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- - - UNFINISHED LONDON EPISODE 7 - - -
Written by
JAY FOREMAN and PAUL KENDLER
Filmed and directed by
PAUL KENDLER
Edited by
JAY FOREMAN
Camera in Blackpool
TOM CLARKE @trynottobreathe
Props
JADE NAGI @jade_nagi
Woman in flowery dress
JADE NAGI @jade_nagi
Posh man in top hat
JOHN HENRY FALLE @thestorybeast
George Francis Train/Bad podcaster
RICHARD SOAMES @richardsoames
Woman on horse tram / Poor Edwardian child
SOOZ KEMPNER @soozUK
Electrocution victim
PAUL KENDLER
Grandma
MYRTLE HYMAN
Tram/railway map graphics
GEOFF MARSHALL @geofftech
By the way, Geoff has lots of videos about transport in London. If you like my stuff, you’ll really like his. Especially his video about the trams in Croydon: • All Croydon Tram Stops...
Cameras etc provided by
SHIFT 4 www.shift-4.com/
Visual effects by
CHRIS WALKER @BigDamnArtist

[@kleerude]

It’s amazing how many times the answer to “why didn’t this thing happen?” is “Kensington and Westminster.”

[@daroldcarold3443]

*it- its kensington and chelsea*

[@SportyMabamba]

Kensington & Chelsea council still at it today, trying to stop a Crossrail 2 station being built there

[@daroldcarold3443]

@@SportyMabamba typical Ken and Chelsea

[@damienheads7151]

Thank god for both of them

[@daroldcarold3443]

@@damienheads7151 yeah, Kenny and Chelsea are real trouble makers, brother and sister alike

[@Bready_Player_Bun]

"Okay Mr.TRAIN, what do you want to call this mode of transportation that runs on rails?" "Tram."

[@Elenrai]

.....I wish someone had that conversation with him, and punched him in the face when he answered

[@jamesgrimwood1285]

He was clearly off his trolley...

[@TheEnglishTrainSpotter2021]

Btw 1000th like

[@robinfriedli5828]

"Tram, call it Tram" xD

[@gabri_maybe]

Write It Down,WRITE IT DOWN

[@163london]

My mother, who's 91, went to see the last tram in London at the end of its journey.

[@newcarpathia9422]

I honestly don't know how Toronto avoided closing down its streetcar lines, but I'm glad they're still open.

[@kinkisharyocoasters]

do you miss the CLRVs?

[@newcarpathia9422]

@@kinkisharyocoasters Not really. My house is right on a streetcar line and they were rather noisy. The new ones are much quieter. That aside, however, I did like them.

[@moho472]

Thank people like Jane Jacobs, and Steve Munro. They protested the plans to remove the streetcar network. Unfortunately, some streetcar lines like Rogers Rd, and Mount Pleasant were removed due to neglect by Metro Toronto.

[@harrisonofcolorado8886]

I honestly don't know how San Francisco's trolleys, Boston's trolleys, light rails, and subways, and New Orleans' Streetcars survived the onslaught of cars becoming popular either. But, I'm glad that any original network that did survive the onslaught of cars becoming popular in the 40s, 50s and 60s are still around today. And hope that those networks, and really any network that has opened or are opening up in cities where cars are dominant, ultimately succeed.

[@88porpoise]

There are two huge factors that kept Toronto's streetcars. First, they survived the post-war rush to remove such systems because they got a ton of rolling stock and other equipment cheap from other cities getting rid of them. That bought the streetcars enough time that public sentiment was changing some dedicated individuals managed to fight a long campaign to keep them until they started to come back in style.

[@kemp10]

"Is London tramsphobic?" - tonight at 9

[@AndrooUK]

Everything is discriminatory against everything, if you believe the liberal agenda.

[@catstealer3454]

PLSSSS

[@slimetrash8942]

@@AndrooUK bro shut up

[@anarchyantz1564]

@@slimetrash8942 See you proved Andrew Williams point with your liberal agenda trying to censor him.

[@Mr-Nuke.]

@@slimetrash8942 how about we all just shut up. Forever

[@christopher19894]

"Not enough plenty of money." "A mere most of the time." Top notch lines.

[@gonesnake2337]

"Trams suddenly, all of a sudden had gradually started to all of a sudden become appealing again."

[@jamium0]

“The twenty-oneth century.”

[@AnhThuNguyen-zz2hm]

"number's" uh"

[@fernsandfantails6293]

“In oldy woldy times.”

[@Jack-ui4wp]

im pretty sure thats the point because of the context but eh

[@SupremeLeaderKimJong-un]

While the double-decker trams may be gone from London, it DID influence a whole new system in Hong Kong where it is still used today and very popular carrying an average of 200,000 passengers per day. You can even book for a special antique-style sightseeing tram or charter your own party tram

[@PiousMoltar]

Top comment as usual from Dear Leader Kim.

[@israellai]

Too bad they're not very practical for actual commuting

[@PollotarianTeacher]

Sir Supreme Leader are there any trams in Korea.

[@madingthree]

Supreme Leader is always the best when it comes to geographical knowledge

[@cat_in_a_sock1948]

i love how they filmed the riverside footage right at the beginning, green screened in jay wearing a jacket, then the girl too BUT made sure that he was actually there on location when it came to him wearing the flowery dress.

[@Demiglitch]

Well it's his dress, he's not going to leave it with her.

[@LukasDiSparrowOfficial]

7:43 that confidence, talking on a tram next to strangers looking at you like SHUT UP

[@Turbo_TechnoLogic]

Well it must be a terrible place if you have to be aware of such things tbh

[@s00ssy71]

E

[@ahuman487]

@@Turbo_TechnoLogic um yeah... its london

[@rvbxn04]

@@Turbo_TechnoLogic ahahahaha welcome to normal ppl place suburbian

[@khy_1777]

@@Turbo_TechnoLogic not really, ppl just don’t like to be distracted

[@Balagergo]

Ah, the benefits of living in Eastern Europe! We never got the resources to phase out trams and trolleys, so they've never actually went away.

[@Dozeji]

Here in Lublin, we actually expanded on them. But some cities did phase them out

[@boomerix]

In Budapest they slowly wanted to phase out trams, but Luckily they quickly realized that it was a bad Idea and have instead expanded them and are still expanding them :)

[@DanCojocaru2000]

Not Your business Why would they? I mean, seriously, especially the trams running on the sides of the Danube are amazing'

[@bandvitromaniaios1307]

Yup lol. In Romania we wanted to get rid of the trams but we ended up with purchashing and modernizing trams and trolleybuses 🤣

[@georgesimpson1406]

First place I heard the word 'trolleybus' was a school Russian language class. (as its loan word pretty much)

[@muhdsyakiib8798]

0:15 The art of wearing your wife's clothes in public is an art masterfully perfected by Jay

[@Meshakhad]

Wait, is that Jay's wife?

[@AverytheCubanAmerican]

Seeing that Kingsway tram tunnel reminds me of another abandoned tram tunnel, the Cedar Street tunnel in Newark, NJ which allowed PCC streetcars and later buses access to the subterranean level of the Newark Public Service Terminal. While the terminal was demolished to make way for PSEG's headquarters, the tram system has remained, and the track leading to the terminal was re-purposed for a new branch to Broad Street Station. Yup, Newark, NJ has a light rail system (though the people there like to call it the Newark City Subway because some stations are underground). If you've seen The Dark Knight Rises then congrats, you've seen a station of the Newark City Subway. And that's not the only abandoned train-related thing in Newark, behind the Prudential Center on Broad Street by Lafayette Street is a facade for the former Central Railroad of NJ Lafayette Terminal, which served the Newark and New York Railroad line to its Communipaw Terminal in Jersey City (now in Liberty State Park) until 1946. People like to talk smack about Newark and how it's rundown, maybe it is...but it's a rundown city with GREAT transit. With its location so close to NYC, Newark is a strategic location to live in for transit commuting

[@calldfwp2230]

"The network was reduced slightly but no-one cared, actually lots of people cared and were very upset about it but nobody who mattered cared" basically explains the beeching cuts.

[@CycolacFan]

SovietChungus Productions also explaining how the UK government make the majority of decisions.

[@MartinJames389]

That's true. People were seething angry about the Beeching cuts. He became a hate figure. If it was happening now, he'd have been getting death threats, but that wasn't the style in those days. I'm old enough to remember.

[@nsuro80]

@@MartinJames389 He was the patsy. Marples was the real criminal.

[@timothymclean]

Explains a lot of economics and infrastructure, really.

[@Medieval_Arpad_cooks]

it Explains the UK

[@boewin756]

Maybe this series won’t remain unfinished itself after all...

[@thisisgreg]

Who are you kidding

[@Jesse__H]

Right? I knew there was a reason I stayed subbed for many months of no content! This was totally worth it.

[@gorg8882]

*cough* seven months ago *cough*

[@lassievision]

Well it needs an update already, since London does now have 100% electric buses.

[@thelatenightgamer2624]

DUN DUN DUN DAN DDADAA

[@wanderingfirbolg6738]

Actually the technology for electric buses without cables is already here. In Geneva (CH) where I live, one alternative we have, aside from trams and traditional trolley buses, is a bus that gets a few seconds of fast charging at every stop.

[@no1wasgeorgiebest]

I was born in Blackpool and live in Melbourne, feel very lucky to have been around so many trams! The ones here a little bit better than the ones I used to get to school.

[@ThatOneIrishFurry]

Most of London just built by people with special interests "How do we help as little poor people as possible" "How do we sell as much tarmac as possible"

[@pavarottiaardvark3431]

Honestly stuff only gets good when the interests temporarily and coincidentally align "Let's built those poor people a cheap and efficient transport system so that they can get to work in MY factory!"

[@jonahnichols2158]

*the world

[@ThatOneIrishFurry]

@PolSmokesPot { ولد الوجيهي } you got me their

[@Tinfoil_Hardhat]

@PolSmokesPot { ولد الوجيهي } And that's why most of the worlds inventions and innovations come out of capitalist countries.

[@IkeOkerekeNews]

@PolSmokesPot { ولد الوجيهي } Not really.

[@CityBeautiful]

Your explanation of omnibuses, trams, and horses is so much better/funnier than mine! *enthusiastic applause*

[@wikipediafan2515]

Eyyyyyyyy! It's City Beautiful. Your videos really brighten my day! :)

[@mukrifachri]

Maybe a cross-pond collaboration ?

[@wikipediafan2515]

@@mukrifachri I would love a co-lab!

[@awesomelyshorticles]

When two worlds collide, sparks fly. This is a special moment.

[@NeighborSenpai]

Didn't know you watch quality content like Jay Foreman, i wanted to suggest you to watch his videos but you beat me to it XD

[@TheBanditKingKir]

This is my first video of this channel and the constant, quick humor is hysterical. You sir, have earned a subscriber.

[@DoubleDeckerAnton]

Love your sense of humour with these very informative productions.

[@phospenguillite8895]

1:20 Guy: *HELLO THERE* *RUNS LIKE A PREDATOR*

[@mfaizsyahmi]

iirc the guy commented on this video. couldn't find it now.

[@phospenguillite8895]

coudnt find what

[@jboxmm]

Justin K. the comment

[@shapeovertime6364]

Why has no one said General Kenobi

[@FakePale]

General Kenobi!

[@TheIronArmenianakaGIHaigs]

Jay made this video just so he could put on a dress :P

[@kirovskiecrab1365]

I did not expect to see you here.

[@41-Haiku]

I don't think he's the kind of guy who needs an excuse.

[@HakanKoseoglu]

Weeeee! That was good.

[@thomaster8870]

Why can't he just enjoy dressing beautifully?! He finally comes out and everyone treats it as though it was a joke. At this point I believe, should he ever get seriously get injured in a traffic accident and lose a limb, rows of people would encircle him, pointing their fingers and drowning out his pained screams with discordant laughter, thinking it to be some sort of slapstick comedy...

[@jamief-h3044]

lol shouldn't you be landing on carriers or smth

[@crochetomania]

I’m from Latvia and trams and trolley busses were and are a big thing there. In Riga (the capital city, where I’m from) they replaced the old trams with new technology some years ago, so the trams are lower and make less sound. I used to live near a tram line for the first 16 years of my life and loved it. I still miss that sound of an old tram… it always seemed strange to me that this technology of using electricity instead of diesel was so underused in uk. And I always suspected this was to do with the lobbying and class system.

[@ayaanamin3339]

After years of living next to the 607 route, I never knew it was that special. Can't wait to spend 3 hours looking out of my window and watching them go!

[@MarkusIfquil]

I'm wondering if the guy waving at the camera and Jay running after him was a skit or entirely unscripted.

[@trent_k]

Or the kid in a costume that waves to the camera

[@MarkusIfquil]

@Charles Calvin THIS IS THE GREATEST PLAAAAN

[@gpaderx6105]

I'm convinced it's unscripted. looks pure, if not, he's making a pure comedy

[@riesenflugzeug]

1:19

[@robinvivalavida]

@@gpaderx6105 look at it again, the man isnt even real, it was edited in.

[@wasaent]

Oh it seems my bike made a slight cameo in this video as he talks about the Kingsway Tunnel...

[@mullac1992]

Can I get your bike's signature?

[@niallreid7664]

SIGN ME TITS

[@robert.1674]

Which one was it

[@jacobroeland]

I swear I've seen this at least a dozen times. And just now have I understood the "All change" joke at 4:44. Wow...

[@IzzyMann]

the humour in this is world class!

[@conormurphy4328]

6:41 wonderful bit of context for this scene and the funny word. Noel Edmonds is talking about a school boy who got killed by a tram because he took drugs. “What is cake? Well, it has an active ingredient which is a dangerous psychoactive compound known as "dimesmeric andersonphospate". It stimulates the part of the brain called "Shatner's bassoon", and that's the bit of the brain that deals with time perception. So a second feels like a month. Well, it almost sounds like fun, unless you're the Prague schoolboy who walked out into the street, *straight in front of a tram.* He thought he'd got a month to cross the street...”

[@joebleasdale5557]

What a wonderful cosmically-ordered moron 😂😂😂

[@brandonmartin-moore5302]

Basically, Brass Eye is brilliant.

[@gabri_maybe]

And Pizza Has Colesterol

[@ArthurSieg]

I am not from London or England and I care little for public transport and infrastructure, but this is so entertaining that I've just binged your entire channel.

[@emmaholmschlemowitz7874]

Dude same

[@franciscovaldes1452]

Same here

[@Turb1ne]

Yeeep. Same.

[@s.ananthkarthikeyan4560]

Especially the fart noises for the car exhaust

[@jessicadickie2988]

Saaaame it's so good

[@olefredrikskjegstad5972]

2018 really was the most productive year for this absolutely cracking series

[@alexandrejosedacostaneto381]

I have only visited London once, over 10 years ago, and only for a few days. Despite this, I'm binging this series (again) because it is so interesting I can't get enough of it

[@AdeReeves]

The "London" series....strangely entertaining for non Londoners too... 😃

[@JalanBax]

1:15 filming in a posh suburban street

[@ixlnxs]

I hate London and love this series!

[@mhk3231]

Ye

[@timothymclean]

And non-Brits, too.

[@ixlnxs]

@IAH I hate London for many reasons: car-infested, tolerant of the most intolerant ideologies, homophobic, and with dilapidated infrastructure. Compare the tube to the Madrid metro, for instance. Plus the lack of bicycle infrastructure, the lack of car-free streets, but most of all: radical islam. I don't want to see mummified toddlers being chaperoned by homophobic preachers. I am a frequent visitor for the museums, but I'll take Paris, Vienna, Madrid or Venezia any day. In case you wonder, live in Hanoi myself but I'm a Belgian of Lebanese origins with a Turkish husband and lived in Morocco before.

[@normiewhodrawsonpaper4580]

Fun fact: Jay sawing the penny in half slightly made pennies more valuable in the economy.

[@rjjcms1]

Monetarism in practice.

[@stephenderry9488]

Sadly, when he glued it back together, the economy collapsed.

[@PurooRoy]

It could be a fake coin.

[@zinc_ave]

10:12 the pain in the eyes is too much

[@michaeld5888]

I always fondly remember the Cardiff trolley buses. One feature was the stops to put the pickups back on the overhead lines. I have read the combination of coal smoke and the diesel smoke when electric was replaced with Diesel was a big factor in the great killer smog. I remember when we lived in Harrow on Hill we wiped soot off the indoor window sills every day with the railways blasting it out in the distance. Hear hear to the idea of bringing back trolley buses. I suppose living East of London we breath all this Diesel smoke with the prevailing winds.

[@descalzitao6779]

You can still see the old British double decker trams in use today ! Not in London where they completely disappeared but in Hong Kong, where they remain a pretty popular transportation in the district of Central on the island of Hong Kong. They're actually cheaper than the subway (MTR) and offer a great view as well as a very authentic experience of HK, I would totally recommand it to anyone traveling there.

[@berniethekiwidragon4382]

Sometimes they are even faster than the bus when congestion is bad.

[@VideoDotGoogleDotCom]

I would love to see them, but not with the way China (the CCP one) is and is heading. Won't be seeing any Russian rail infrastructure, either...

[@VideoDotGoogleDotCom]

@MR Blaze Pukka As far as I know, running even old trams is more economical than operating a corresponding bus route. I actually have data to support this, but it's not in any language you'd know, I'm quite certain (English is my third language).

[@craigcook9715]

That's cool. Not the London double-decker, but SF does have a tram line that has all (or almost all) stock that consists of historic streetcars from around the world. It runs from Market and Castro (near the famous predominantly Gay neighborhood) up Market and then along the Embarcadero until Fisherman's Wharf (a major tourist spot).

[@BaddaBigBoom]

I re-watch this regularly to hear the words "un-betrammed" "p-neumatic" "tramfrastructure" and "...use their diesel engines a mere most of the time".

[@petermoto409]

And 21th century.

[@grantorino2325]

And he also pronounces *Thames* as "Tahms" instead of "Tehms."

[@EdwardCree]

But surely "un-betrammed" should have been "untrammelled".

[@PiousMoltar]

You forgot "prohibititively unpractacacactable" and "tramsphobic".

[@user-bl1pw2th4l]

Omg you put the black and white square thing in the corner that used to pop up before a commercial break in the 80s/90s. Genius

[@lilyrosesoul0077]

I love your educational vids cleverly disguised as comedic skits. I literally "laugh-n-learn" new things every time I visit your channel. Many thanks! - from Singapore :)

[@landscapedetective4064]

Back in the late 1970s I was living in Hong Kong. The main island had a tram system. If you looked closely at the side of the tram cars, beneath the paintwork could just be made out the words 'Reading Transport'.

[@tedthesailor172]

That was for people who like reading transport.

[@samchan212]

The tram system in Hong Kong that was built in the early 20th century is still running today

[@MrBannystar]

I visited a couple of years ago and rode on the trams on the island. It was a cheap and interesting way to see a lot of the island.

[@NickRatnieks]

Hong Kong's very first trams were made by Dick, Kerr of Preston and shipped out as new- this company becoming a part of the famous English Electric industrial group. Since the 1920s all Hong Kong trams have been made new in HK and the system has never bought in old trams- although some Hong Kong trams were exported to the UK a few years ago for use on new build heritage tramways. Hong Kong's trams use 3 foot 6 inch gauge while Reading trams were built for a 4 foot gauge system- a non-starter. However, old British buses may have been exported to Hong Kong for use there which may be what you saw.

[@wilsjane]

Reading tramways operated until 1939, when they were replaced by trolleybuses. It had its own DC power station right in the current city center, which continued to power the buses for some years. Like London that had 3 DC power stations. (Lott's road, Battersea and Greenwich) to power transport until the early 1970s, it became redundant when the national grid upgraded to 3 phase 11,000 volts and rectification to produce 740 volts DC became possible

[@HopeRock425]

8:47 I don't know why but something about that girl made me laugh so much.

[@morganreading1127]

8:45

[@TomasPetrik]

@@morganreading1127 8:45 if you want to have some intro.

[@stabbityjoe7588]

Lmfao I love it

[@romulusnr]

I wish I could have sent this to Kemper Freeman a few years ago. Because 3:00 is literally identical to his attitude towards the light rail from Seattle to Bellevue, WA which he spent millions fighting.

[@paulcombs-bomuse6172]

Jay Foreman is a true son of Monty Python.

[@Ginold]

This some incredible work on editing, small sound and visual jokes and storytelling. I jiggled so many times! Really refreshing to see a serious topic with so many funny details.

[@TheWhippingPost]

Yeah, great visual gags. I also find the word "jiggled" very funny.

[@autismobinch135]

Jiggled?

[@BenchFox_]

Oh, yeah. You definitely jiggled.

[@harbottle99]

and unfortunately so many inaccuracies!!

[@aidanennis9449]

Jay's hair makes me jiggle

[@ParenR]

Interesting that Hong Kong still have the double decker trams like London did; I wonder if this was from British influence.

[@Marcel-um1cu]

Since Hong Kong used to be a british colony they probably brought it there

[@runlarryrun77]

Unlike Britain they obviously had the sense to say "hey this works let's keep it".

[@lhk7006]

Yes, just like the double decker buses. My brain is confused while watching.

[@yuenlucia5454]

Hong Kong Tramways establish in 1904. Trams in Hong Kong were built that year, and British colonized HK from 1841 to 1997. Of course the HK Trams was from British Influence. So do all the Double Decker bus, Ferries, Peak Tram, Underground, and all the road signs you can find in HK nowadays....

[@atlantic_31]

Yes, it's a British influence Since the British arrived at Sheung Wan,Hong Kong Island in Hong Kong There are trams only in Hong Kong Island thought PS:I'm from Hong Kong

[@theindiefanclub]

Every time I come back to this I forget about the accordion noises on the bendy trams and it absolutely slays me

[@kbc163]

Holy smokes, the humor. 😂 You got a new subscriber, my friend. 👍

[@jholotanbest2688]

These videos are a extremely rare treat.

[@arfski]

I say, hope you do not mind me pointing out that the letter 'e' is a vowel.

[@jholotanbest2688]

@@arfski God dammit why dose this stupid language even have articles :p

[@Alkaloid-Odin]

@@jholotanbest2688 English has it pretty easy as compared to German, for example

[@jholotanbest2688]

@@Alkaloid-Odin Articles are still stupid.

[@TheOneLichemperor]

@@Alkaloid-Odin Michael Jackson reference, per chance?

[@aguila17]

Double-decker trams would become an instant icon. Bendy trams are too "continental".

[@JayForeman]

What's wrong with continental things?

[@aguila17]

Jay Foreman nothing really, it’s just that they’re already all over Europe and having those kinds of trams in London this late in history wouldn’t be as innovative as having double deckers. People would associate them with London instantly, just like double decker buses and black cabs. I don’t live in London but it’s undeniable the city has a very different personality to the rest of Europe, and having its infrastructure match that would be nice.

[@kriegh94]

@@JayForeman They're, like, big and not surrounded by water, you know...

[@anessenator]

The UK is a European country, and the British need to deal with that. - A Brit.

[@aguila17]

Daniel Eyre I know that, I lived in Manchester for little less than a year and there too they have double decker buses. However I would say that red double decker buses are one of the many icons of London. Many people where I come from (Latin America) instantly associate those big red buses with London and by extension with Britain. Not so much the case with mancunian magic buses...

[@AlishN7]

I grew up in a Russian city still full of trams, trolley busses and regular busses. All put together, the coverage was great!

[@zz-nx6dy]

I love your videos, man. Lots of cool funny little details.

[@Alex-cw3rz]

8:46 Jay's video's are so out there, I don't know if this was in any way purposeful or not

[@qrogueuk]

Welcome to N22

[@jadeforeman131]

qrogueuk we’ve lived in N22 for 5 months now 🤓

[@Shardok42]

The kid is downright awesome in every way... I really like that parents exist today that will just let their kid rock such a look without a care.

[@WASIURPA]

Welcome to M25

[@mcbain23]

big up zombie girl!!

[@johnjoyce1671]

I love the advert indicator in the top right at 9:23.

[@zappawoman5183]

I noticed that!

[@ryanchapman2636]

John Joyce I’m glad I wasn’t the only one to notice.

[@danellis-jones1591]

I saw that too! I love his little twiddly bits

[@Zizzily]

Yep, they're called cue dots! Also, the network logo is called a bug or a DOG.

[@kingrobert1st]

I love the little AdBlock icon above my browser.

[@RealEyesRealiseRealLies]

4:19 “several affairs of what? 😮 literally spat my coffee out 😂😂😂

[@annie9204]

We have overhead street car (basically another word for tram) wires in Toronto and I actually think they look kind of nice. They remind me that there's good public transport in at least some parts of Toronto.

[@kal9001]

The point about the Hybrid busses while accurate is also hiding a big point. Where normal busses typically have between a 6 and 9 litre engine, which is very heavy (~1 ton for the engine, and another ton for the transmission/diff/shafts etc) because the thick construction is needed to handle the forces needed to propel a ~15 ton vehicle. The engines only make 2-300 HP, which can easily be achieved by a 0.8L motorbike engine! but the engine would die due to lack of torque and structure. If the transmission were to jolt during a change it would likely just sheer off the crank shaft! In a Hybrid, the engine is not driving the vehicle directly, instead it's just a generator so rather than having to push along a ~15 ton bus, it only needs to push a ~20 kg rotor in a generator. As such the engines produce the same amount of power, but are only 1.3~2.0L like you'd find in a car, they are MUCH more efficient running at preset and tuned power steps, to keep the batteries topped up. rather than an engine that has to produce reasonable power over as wide a range as possible. The Hybrid busses are MASSIVELY more efficient, where Jays statement made it seem like most of the time they are just as bad.

[@kal9001]

​@mandellorian In theory higher emissions from a single, stationary source can be more easily managed than lower emissions from millions of mobile sources. The mines will...*should* be cleaned up as they are depleted. You're also removing the source of those emissions from towns and cities where most of us live. Lowering air pollution related health problems. What else do you suggest? Lets all just go back to leaded petrol, gas guzzlers that are cheap and easy to make but cause lots of pollution through their lifetime. Or perhaps just abolish all transport, make everyone walk everywhere with baskets of produce on their heads... because that's realistic.

[@maythesciencebewithyou]

@mandellorian You know the materials for the other parts, including the motor of car also need to be mined. In case of batteries Lithium mining is one of the if not the least environmentally damaging type of mining for a metal. Perhaps you you should first look at how various metals are mined, before pretending to care for the enviroment, which I highly doubt that you do. Lithium can be easily recyled, it's not depletet like fossil fuels. Also, a battery can be fully recycled. Why don't you have a problem with the horrendous costs and environmental impacts of e.g. Aluminum mining, or Gold mining or other form of mining? Why do you give a shit about the up to 62 different types of metals build into your smartphone? Are you pro Nuclear power? You know Uranium mining (also Thorium mining) is environmentally destructive and very very expensive. Be honest, you give a shit about the enviroment and that's why you like to throw around naive assesments of the situation. Displacing "the shit" to another place is beneficial for those living where the cars are moving. I guess you love to inhale exhaust fumes and prefer to live in a City full of smog. Now to the energy costs of building cars. Do you think cars running on gas are created by magic with no enery required to produce them? You act like the only thing that consumes energy is the production of a battery, as if the car around does not. You totally ignore the energy that goes into the production of a normal car. Now, the thing is, you don't need to use fossil fuel to power the production of a renewable car, or a car in general. Once you expand your renewable energy sources, you'll eventually have carbon emission free cars. Sure for now, most of the energy comes from fossil fuels, but that can only change when you gradually increase the amount of renewable energy sources. Next you'd probably say, but solar panels etc. take energy to produce. Yeah, sure they do, however, once you have enough renewable energy sources, you'll be using those renewable energy sources to buil your solar panels etc. Of course you'll have to make the initial investment to get there. One really wonders how the people in the past could have ever build anything with the attitute that people like you show.

[@rogerfroud300]

@mandellorian - Methinks you over state how bad it is to make batteries. If you go down the total environmental cost road, you need to factor in the cost of drilling for oil, transporting it, refining it, delivering it and finally pumping it into ICE vehicles. That's hideously inefficient. Go to the 'plug life' channel if you want to know the electrical input required to refine oil, it's collossal! Maybe you expect alternative solutions to the really bad ICE vehicles to have no environmental impact at all? That's not exactly treating them the same now is it.

[@KuraIthys]

It's always fascinating watching people go 'but what about the batteries!?' with electric vehicles. Read the damned research. Including manufacturing costs of the vehicle itself and all lifetime maintenance, it takes just 3 years of use for an electric car to catch up with a petrol one in environmental impact, and everything after that point is ALL in the electric vehicle's favour. It's like you people are being willfully contrary without even bothering to read the actual research on the subject. Just like the people that talk about how petrol vehicles are less polluting than electric ones... And then justify it by assuming 100% of the electricity comes from the most polluting type of coal power plant in existence, and generally also ignoring the HUGE amount of electricity that goes into operating a fuel refinery, and all the other environmental disasters that oil production entails... But a hybrid isn't even that... You ever ask yourself why roughly 95% of diesel trains are in fact hybrids? (Diesel engine running an electric generator powering electric traction motors) They certainly aren't using batteries in this setup beyond the bare minimum such a vehicle would need anyway... Yet this is surely a rather pointless bit of extra complexity, right? So... Why is it the norm for trains rather than the exception? But seriously. Maybe instead of mindlessly parroting 'dur, lithium mining bad', you actually look into this properly, hmmh? Because while your point isn't wrong in isolation, it is far from a complete picture, and it sure as hell isn't an argument for saying electric vehicles cause MORE pollution - that simply isn't true.

[@kal9001]

@@KuraIthys Also these people usually don't consider that battery technology is constantly evolving. Tesla recently announced cobalt free batteries which removes some of the environmental, and humanitarian issues associated with mining that metal. It won't be long before more breakthroughs happen and new methods and materials are developed. It's because there is a need for these things that the research is happening. If there was no demand for electric vehicles there would be little or no improvement in the technology and ICE would just be around forever hiding behind the "well batteries aren't good enough" sentiment. It's sort of a chicken and egg problem. Someone had to take the first step. And it won't be easy or efficient the first few steps, but then it will get better, and in a decade we'll be wondering why we bothered to burn so much fossil fuel when electric cars are faster, quiet, more reliable, cheaper to run...etc.

[@Real_Retrophilia]

7:46 That guy on the right isn't pleased XD

[@panner11]

maybe he was really upset about hearing twentyoneth xD

[@MrLukejstephens]

I was on that tram when he filmed this shot, they took a lot of takes in between stops and having to hear him miss say a word that many times was a little annoying.

[@user-yg2up4lg3r]

@@MrLukejstephens lies it was on a green screen

[@Abigart69]

My favourite is 8:46

[@jameskite3284]

Excellent video. I do love the fact that only four years ago it seemed like an electric bus was not coming ‘anytime soon’ and now the are everywhere 🤘

[@fatlad9035]

7:46 It’s the “twenty-oneth” century for me! 🤣. Just brilliant!

[@jennybrockartist]

9:29 love that little reference to 'we are nearing an ad break!' in the top-right corner :D

[@doxielain2231]

Is this a British thing? I was wondering what it was.

[@kyal]

Doxie Lain yeah they legally have to do that on tv before adverts come on, I think only on live tv but I’m not sure. Obviously he didn’t need to do that here but it’s a nice reference

[@MarkPentler]

Nothing to do with legality and everything to do with alerting your colleagues further up the broadcast chain.

[@neobe195]

It was to let regional broadcasters know when to show regional ads.

[@KeirThomas]

Some VCRs could pause recording during these as well I seem to remember.

[@jwillisbarrie]

Thanks for having captions for Deaf.

[@JayForeman]

No problem! :) Let me know if you have any feedback for how they can be improved.

[@yawnguy94]

Ca cap cap what carnt hear you

[@rodrikforrester6989]

Not deaf, am Russian. Appreciate captions too.

[@Ice_Karma]

@@rodrikforrester6989 From Wikipedia: "In the United States, the National Captioning Institute noted that English as a foreign or second language (ESL) learners were the largest group buying decoders in the late 1980s and early 1990s before built-in decoders became a standard feature of US television sets. This suggested that the largest audience of closed captioning was people whose native language was not English. In the United Kingdom, of 7.5 million people using TV subtitles (closed captioning), 6 million have no hearing impairment."

[@RestlessFisher]

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[@bryaneast2513]

I used to go to school on London Trolleybuses, they fast, silent and clean. I no longer live in London but I would love to see Trolleybuses return to all out cities and towns so that we could ditch dirty diesels. Like your channel very much and have subscribed.

[@noveltycurtains]

I like these uploads...I learn something as I laugh...thanks for posting.

[@Meowskeed]

"And trams suddenly all of a sudden had gradually started to suddenly become appealing again" lmao

[@MarceloBenoit-trenes]

Suddenly not. After two oil crisis and a lot of political promises, trams started to be reborn in France in 1975 (but only 10 years after that the new tram arrived at Nantes) and USA in 1981 (San Diego).

[@MarceloBenoit-trenes]

@Nicholas Natale and the point is?

[@TheWoogeroo]

Such a tragedy, even more so in other UK cities like Birmingham where the trams were ripped up despite not having a tube network, and no replacement at all. Cars cars cars to this day.

[@jeric_synergy8581]

Gee, I wonder who made THAT happen? ::cough:: oil companies ::cough::

[@barrysteven5964]

Birmingham does have a tram.

[@AlisonBryen]

@@barrysteven5964 But it's really really crap. I'm local so I know.

[@handlesarefeckinstupid]

Sheffield is even better. They ripped up the tram lines and then built them again, but really badly.

[@seafoodpizza]

Corruption ended everything

[@ROCKINGMAN]

As a kid i'd seen photos of the tram stop at Kingsway and thought it was an underground station named Kingsway, which remained a mystery for some years until I knew better. I think it's generally true that some places in London had Trams while others had Trolleybuses, Woolwich had both. The first Croydon tram continues it's number from last tram in 1952.

[@scalylayde8751]

Love the absolute hero on the tram at 7:44 who is clearly annoyed but not enough to ruin the shot

[@thelexico5972]

Anyone else appreciate that he used the OMNIBUS archers themetune over the normal one. Good on you sir.

[@willwragg9707]

Aahh, of course!

[@dodsg]

Was he anywhere near Paddington when that theme tune was played?

[@westparade4366]

The man is an undisputed genius of our times.

[@TheOneLichemperor]

I was absolutely chuffed by that choice too.

[@jamierobinson9985]

Thank god someone else noticed

[@kingdomdeen4105]

Looking forward to the next episode in 2022

[@marjoriebrunet7009]

So it appears I'm a few years late to the party, I just discovered your channel and am currently binge-watching it. I simply wanted to say you made my day showing images of my birthplace's tram. In France, Limoges is made fun of because it's seen as lacking modernity 😉

[@andreytravkin7579]

I have no idea how I'm stumble upon this video, but I don't regret. Humor is top notch!

[@bayareajokester9456]

Most importantly what happened to Jay Foreman?

[@RingoYote]

Hes been on tour!

[@thepilotman1hg]

Sam Hyena I went to the one in York

[@TheDJHoller]

More like what's happened to his hair?

[@-SUM1-]

TheDJHoller His hair looks great.

[@arfski]

@@thepilotman1hg Golly, there is more than one? Has he cloned himself or are we talking about the possibility of twin identical triplets (or truplets for our American friends)? /s

[@riesenflugzeug]

"From now on, any entrepreneur wanting to build tramways in-" **guy passes buy** **jay walks aggressively**

[@mmelanoma]

I found your channel from the unpronounceable city names video but the urbanism series are what's making me stay 🙏🏻

[@vegimals]

genius, love your locution !

[@mikepeirson1150]

I remember the trams in south London when I was a kid. Used to scare me a bit with the noisy ground shaking and rumbling along. Walking to the middle of the road was bad enough to get on them. Sitting on the wooden seats that were as slippery as hell. Cold and draughty, but when they went I missed them very much. Even now some 70 years later I still get a bit sad when I see films of them. Part of dear old London.

[@NateandNoahTryLife]

“That uses its Diesel engine a mere most of the time”

[@jaimelvehansen868]

@Harry M them 0-100 times

[@jaimelvehansen868]

@Harry M Yeah, but it was a bigger bus meant for long drives on highways

[@szymongorczynski7621]

@Harry M Because moving off uses up a huge amount of energy, which is what makes hybrids a lot more economical.

[@TheSnahsnah]

@Harry M because you can recoup energy from braking and reuse it when accelerating. In congested traffic where you're braking and accelerating the entire time, that is quite a bit. But in all other scenarios it's not anyhwere close to actual electric.

[@wilsjane]

+Harry M. The answer to that is simple, but the government do not want to admit it. Their is simply not enough electricity available to charge the buses overnight. The average bus garage only has enough power to charge 2 or 3 of them. To change London buses to electric, or replacing them with trams, would consume the output of a nuclear power station and the entire national grid would need to double in size and capacity. In addition, all of that power needs to be rectified into DC. The same problem exists with electric cars. At the moment, we are getting away with it by overnight charging, but as soon as the figure reaches 10%, the problem will rear its ugly head. To completely change over, we will need 8 additional power stations, but although the government are well aware, they are simply burying their head in the sand. No one have even mentioned goods vehicles yet. LOL

[@BobertyRoberty]

i've got a lot of respect for the jay-going-uncomfortably-fast-in-a-trolley shot

[@samcrowther3942]

Jay standing on that tram while being stared at by a bloke and having the audacity to say 21th century made my day😂

[@spencexxx]

8:47 "My brother likes turtles."

[@DumOcaso]

“I like tortoises”

[@floxroxbo]

Using the Archers omnibus theme tune while talking about the omnibus is just 👌

[@futurecanadian]

I was in Australia in March and use the tram in both Melbourne and Canberra and the light rail in Sydney. On my pre-covid France trip, I use the trams in Montpellier, Grenoble and Nice.

[@Interceptor810]

5:25 Jays diesel engine sound effect is really good

[@lawrencecalablaster568]

I can't believe that a guy whose last name was Train worked on public transportation xD this show is brilliant

[@NeighborSenpai]

This was his passion

[@bernhardknabl4587]

Nominative Determinism at it's best

[@trainy1223]

ay no joke my last name is Train too

[@PKMartin]

When someone asks me who invented a thing I go with the formula (fanciful Restoration era name) (uncommon middle initial) (name of thing). "Who invented cornflakes?" "Hieronymus J. Cornflake" "Who invented the banjo?" "Cornelius W. Banjo" "Who invented trams?" "Ezekiel K. Tram"

[@Trolligarch]

"Tramsphobic" God damn it xD 9:24 Also that stripy thing on the top right corner (I don't remember what it's called) is a nice touch.

[@Tevildo]

Trolligarch - It's called a "cue dot", and it _really_ should go off 5 seconds before the advert starts. I second your opinion on the best joke of the episode.

[@AndyNicholson]

@@Tevildo Why 5 seconds, I'm sure I read somewhere it was a 60 second marker? Also, this should be mandatory on all KZbin videos with any form of advertising in. Also also, the quality of Jay's videos are getting better each time - there's so much work and thought that goes into them like this that I think a lot of people will miss.

[@Tevildo]

@@AndyNicholson Standard (IBA) practice was for the dot to appear 60 seconds before the adverts started and disappear 5 seconds before they started. I _think_ this was so that the adverts could be started manually (as a human operator can't be expected to time an accurate 60 second interval, but should be able to get a good enough 5 second interval to avoid complaints), although I'm not certain. In the later years of analogue broadcasting the adverts were started automatically, so the 5 second delay wasn't necessary, but changing it wouldn't have had any real benefit.

[@rockinRrr]

This show is so brilliantly clever and hilarious I had to pause immediately to comment and subscribe

[@aaronl22]

The deadpan look for a skill share had me cracking up

[@stuspawton]

What always annoys me is the fact that they got rid of the trams in Edinburgh, Glasgow, and Falkirk because the toffs wanted Scotland to be more like england. Trams dominated Scottish working class towns and cities for years, until rich people wanted us to follow suit and get rid of them. In falkirk we only have a small amount of track left in the old high street. It's a damn shame, especially when you've lived in places like adelaide and melbourne that never got rid of their trams, its such a convenient way to get around, and really allows for expansion.

[@Evsta101]

1) Flippin' love that there is another Bairn in these comments. 2) Absolutely agree, a damned shame they got rid of them and then an absolute farce when they reintroduced them to Edinburgh. It does make me wonder how they did so well putting them back into Manchester in comparison to Edinburgh... Also makes me wonder if we'd see some kind of revitalisation of trams elsewhere in Scotland.

[@leopold7562]

@@Evsta101 We did it slowly in Manchester. We only had one line for a long time, running between Altrincham and Bury on mostly disused and underused railway lines (except for the stretch at Navigation Road, where there's only two lines, one each for tram and train and it's a right hatchet job). Only the centre of the city got any really new lines, running across the city, between the two mainline stations. Victoria was easy because it's massively underused and had platform space readily available. Piccadilly was made easier by using a set of tunnels that ran under the station which were probably meant for something else. Most of the rest of the routes use existing roads and knocking down of houses to achieve their aims, a very expensive job, but it seems to be working out okay on the whole. Except for the poor unfortunate people who were forced to move, of course.

[@davidt5194]

Aye it's a fuckin tramesty.

[@alanwann9318]

Maybe they wanted vehicles using oil .

[@ishbelcoulter8681]

if they'd just built proper trams in glasgow instead of the fucking great big motorway n like maybe NOT knocked down half the city it'd be so different

[@matthewreed6181]

I live in Croydon and our trams are great, it gives you an excuse to ride a train for super short distances!

[@aspenstirling4685]

Hello fellow Croydinian

[@shaheer9852]

yooo i also live in croydon g

[@doktordok7517]

Great video man!

[@jtveg]

Thanks so much for sharing. 😎👌🏼

[@georgebellamy4737]

i think my favourite part was the advert loading thingy in the top right corner, i miss that on tv!

[@Abdega]

Was that common in UK television? I wish it was common in the US

[@TheSmart-CasualGamer]

Yep. An old throwback to analogue TV. It's been gone for ages now though, so it's just a little nostalgic relic.

[@brandonmartin-moore5302]

It's still there sometimes on ITV.

[@TheSmart-CasualGamer]

It basically is.

[@StuartClary]

Known as a Cue Dot: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cue_mark#Cue_dots_in_television

[@UselessDuckCompany]

I like our "trams" in Toronto, but I sure do wish we had more subways too

[@tanngerin]

Lmao ODS I LOVE YOU. Btw you should do more 24h challenges

[@red2theelectricboogaloo961]

Took one, it's so cramped.

[@KommandoCraftLP]

Come to my city, we have trams that are subways and subways that are trams, both recognisable by their sign which is a huge "U" that stands for "Stadtbahn"

[@MrChampken]

I like them in Toronto for historical value, and prefer them to our busses that are so ugly, and carry even smaller capacity of people, making them way over crowded, more so then even the Streetcars. However our streetcar system design is 120+ years old, they were probably great when they only shared these roads with horses. However, they share the roads with cars and traffic lights today. They travel on above wires in the center of the roads rather then along the side with connection to sidewalks or without there own sperate road of traffic. The congestion on the roads is very heavy, getting around on Streetcars is very slow moving. Our Subway system was neglected for decades and should have been expanded to replace some of these other streetcar routes, because Subway system are more expensive to build, but they function way quicker and easier to get around. I like Streetcars, but id only want them built today if they were rebuilt more like the Croydon Tram in South London, most of the journey is on seperate track from the road. Toronto Streetcars are so slow. It's one of the oldest things in Toronto considering how young this country and city is, it's part if the city charm and history, but it's part of the city headache. Some of it could of been replaced with subway by now, other parts perhaps could have been re-designed. Anyways it looks like they aren't going anywhere.

[@Token_Nerd]

Because Toronto politics are shit. They could build a line anywhere, it'd get half decent ridership, and people would still bitch. Every area of Toronto in a nutshell: Downtown: "We deserve the most subways because we have the most crowding" Uptown: "We deserve the most subways because we have the most growth outside of Downtown and have huge economic potential" Midtown: "We deserve subways because the Eglinton Crosstown is not enough to cope with Eglinton travel demands" Scarborough: "We deserve subways because we are the largest area in the city without much if any rapid transit" Etobicoke: "We deserve subways because SUBWAYS SUBWAYS SUBWAYS" Vaughan: "We deserve subways because you're already extending the subway to York University" Richmond Hill: "We deserve subways because we have the busiest bus corridor in Canada that needs relief" Pickering (wtf...): "We deserve subways because everyone else deserves subways"

[@sirpsychosussy]

6:41 The amount of tonal whiplash from Noel Edmonds of all people looking deadly serious at this bit is amazing

[@JayForeman]

Seek out the original clip from Brasseye that this was taken from. It’s awesome!

[@ahsimiksnabac6576]

well done jay, keep up the good werk!!

[@JayForeman]

Thank you so much! 🙏🏻

[@MrJohnL21]

London actually had the biggest trolleybus network in the world at the time. Lots of Londoners thought that London Transport were mad getting rid of them - they were smooth, quiet, reliable and fast. If you want to find out for yourself, have a ride on one at the Sandtoft Trolleybus Museum near Doncaster.

[@zalromir]

I remember watching the last London Tram. We lived in New Cross and the New Cross Gate tram depot was just round the corner from Grannie's house.

[@kennethgarland4712]

When I was young, in the 50s, we often stayed with family friends in Carshalton Beeches, and it was always a great treat for me to be taken on a trolleybus to, say, Sutton. Some years later, as a student, I had a year in Lyon, France, where they had both trolleybuses (though single deckers) and motor buses with preselector gearboxes.

[@FirewolfX7]

YES MORE UNFINISHED LONDON... but where are the Map Men?

[@JayForeman]

Coming in February 2019.... probably...

[@NeighborSenpai]

Coming soon to a map near you!😂😂

[@Shardok42]

@@JayForeman Why would you not make a Map Men video every day given it is clearly the greatest series idea you have ever had and has the single greatest intro ever. Actually, here's a quick video idea. Extended Intro for Map Men. You can figure out the lyrics, though I would suggest using more Map and more Men.

[@TissueCat]

Ooh, my birthday's in February 2019. And also February of every other year.

[@Klikkitse]

Why yes, Map Men is very important. I'd even be happy with just the intro.

[@Neogalaxyplays]

The "UNFINSHED LONDON" intro is the best intro i have seen on youtube, And the video is amazing and entertaning

[@zilesis1]

the photobomb at 8:45 was priceless 😂

[@peteatkinson3500]

Bless her! 😂