What is THE ALGORITHM in Pokemon GO Battle League?

[@BboyOmit]

As someone who study’s plays and is quite competitive. There’s just no way I swap my team ten times and each one is built to beat my team. There is no way, not with how many option there are.

[@drewwojciehowski9211]

I will run a team for two sets and find hard counters the whole time. I switch to a complete different team, and suddenly new counters, that haven’t seen at all, suddenly come out of the wood work.

[@Hubert-rh4hz]

? I Play one Team (my own) and tweak now and then… I can tell you, there are sets or complete days where I see 2 Pokémon over and over again… but with the same Team, same ELO I face the next day complete other Pokémon… Has nothing to do if you switch your Team or not, happens everyone.

[@drewwojciehowski9211]

@@Hubert-rh4hz I guess what I am saying is (as an example) I will run two sets and see medicham 9/10 games. I switch my teams to adjust to Medicham, and I don’t see a single medicham the next 10. (That same day) I am not saying I think there is algorithm, but is strange.

[@jazandriz]

this happens. not just chance. people argue that it's because you've leveled up on Elo and so people of that level are playing different pokemon. i find it hard to believe that given what you explained.. patterns of hard counters in the lead.

[@dirtymike69420]

So ur saying that the algo randomly chose u to punish u and not ur opponent?

[@Hubert-rh4hz]

Should be easy to prove, right? Built a team 3x weak to Medicham or a other Pokémon which isn’t so common(but still a good one) and you should face it 90% or more. It will not happen. My team is weak to Pelipper and there are days where I see 4-5/ day and the next day I see 0 of them. It is what is, Pelipper is not a common pick but still a good Pokémon which player use.

[@TheJohnGalt1945]

1) The algorithm absolutely exists. I saw 0 Obstagoons in my last 10 sets. I decided to throw in a Cresselia lead, and boom first match there was an Obstagoon lead. 2) Telling people to do the best with what they’re given in this circumstance is like telling a poor person to get a job. I don’t want to steamroll people, I just want a truly random match making system.

[@alexelkins1138]

The algorithm is 100% real I can’t tell you how many times I’ll use a specific team and get the same 6 to 7 Pokémon I’m going up against and I’ll swap my team to counter it and then all of a sudden that team will get countered by brand new Pokémon that I haven’t gone up against all day

[@adamlastrange]

this is my experience too.

[@mgljsp1522]

You are just unlucky

[@Hubert-rh4hz]

You played the wrong team. What you describe happens if you copy YT teams to late or in the wrong ELO. If you climb or fall the meta shifts (Opponents with hardcounter to your team Climb to a point where other player Start to hardcounter there teams too… this is called team building) If you built your own teams you will not have your problems, cause you see your meta, understand where your problem is and try to fix that by changing Pokemon. Your problem is made from KZbin. Most players nowadays watch content creators and copy teams (everything is fine with that) this leads into less variety and that a team which worked well on Monday didn’t work on Wednesday

[@charlottesphie7037]

So what? People get to legend but you dont. Keep giving excuse dude.

[@alexelkins1138]

@@charlottesphie7037 I’ve gotten to legend plenty of times but still easily acknowledging there’s an algorithm and not is just showing how dumb people can be. Especially thing that accompany like Niantic wanted to do such a thing 🤣🤣

[@jeffreyshoemaker7403]

My personal experience is this. I watch great content creators like Zyonik daily and I use pvpoke regularly to team build both meta teams and anti meta teams. So I do count moves and pull off some decisive catches and tough wins from good energy management. However, in circumstances where I’m hovering around the same ELO…When I run a certain team I built, I see a lot of the same counters. And I will usually stick with a decently performing team for 3-4 sets, sometimes more if it’s a team that worked well from the previous days’ sets. Then I switch up the team to account for the most common counters I’m frequently facing that day and losing to more than winning. As soon as I switch up the team to another team that has historically performed well for me to counter those opponents, suddenly I stop seeing those counters to my first team almost entirely. Additionally, I’ll see new counters to my new team that were non-existent for the first team’s sets. It would be different if I were not floating within the same ELO range. But, my logical conclusion is that there has to be an algorithm. Nothing against anyone who disagrees. I’ve just seen that pattern enough times that I can’t conclude otherwise.

[@alejandroxan]

I 100% agree with you. For example, if you're leading with Toxicroack and keep running into Gligar leads, the moment you change your team and lead with A-Sandlash, then you won't see any more Gligar leads and start running into Medicham, Machamp, and Talonflame leads.

[@jeffreyshoemaker7403]

@@alejandroxan A recent example being I stopped using A-nine since skarmory got the steel wing buff, and upon realizing I hadn’t seen a skarmory in days, tried bringing back an A-nine lead. Immediately met with a skarmory lead.

[@terdfergeson23]

But that means that sometimes the game purposefully pairs YOU with opponents who are hard countered by your Pokémon… I don’t see this happening in my experience

[@O9Ku5h420]

Jah feels

[@jeffreyshoemaker7403]

Guys…I kid you not…I haven’t seen Abomasnow in four entire sets. Decided to mix it up by switching to an old favorite (Jumpluff) lead that I haven’t used probably all this season, immediately met with the Abomasnow lead. I know The mathematical odds even with the recent Abomasnow features doesn’t add up when you factor in the team change with the lack of it’s presence prior to the team change. The algorithm exists in some capacity.

[@cristianchavarria5359]

The algorithm is real, I stopped worrying about getting more than 50% and now give up a set of 5 matches in order to win 4 in a row the next set and get the rare candies

[@Goku_kakarot69]

Sometimes skills aren't enough to win when the opponent has something that just hard walls your backline

[@Hubert-rh4hz]

That’s right, you really can’t win all fights. But why we discus that?

[@JPZoober]

sometimes, exactly. but not 50% of the time

[@David110i]

There are some battles that are impossible to win, but it doesn’t happen all the time. Sometimes you hard wall your opponent as well. Skills make the difference between getting a 4-1 or a 3-2 which is crucial to climb. Also, If you can’t get any positive set maybe your team is not balanced.

[@JPZoober]

@@nguyencuong4520 🤡

[@herored5484]

@@David110iidk the 4-1’s I pull take timing, catches, overcoming terrible leads and swaps…. But the 0-5 and 1-4 immediately after, my opponents wins with 3 Pokemon still standing or two with a shield. I’ve documented the last two months, lead loss roughly 84%, switch loss 76% and win rate roughly 50%….. that’s too consistent to be random (2 months of data)

[@GurtejSinghGuitar]

At this point, GBL is more luck based than skill based I feel. And ofcourse there is something fishy going on when you build a team after seeing more of one Pokemon, anf suddenly that Pokemon completely disappears.

[@anthony7875]

Ive noticed If I go 5-0 I usually go around 1-4 or 0-5 for the following set. More often if I am 4-0 on a current set I will end up going 4-1(not allowing me the 5-0). The opposite is true, if I am 0-4 in a current set I will end up 1-4 at the end of the set. I've literally sat there with my girlfriend showed her my current set and called whether I would win/lose lead and swap based off of my current set

[@garyroache]

You’re not alone 😢

[@jia2001]

Just don’t play POGO anymore I am sure there are much better and fun games out there then this sh*t game.

[@dausgasol1617]

I think like you before I got 23-2 in one day, with 17 winning Strike.

[@anthony7875]

@@jia2001 ai like POGO. It is definitely skill based, but it doesn't mean the game doesn't try to balance the battles

[@XSETMando]

I agree with PokèAK that the algorithm does exist.

[@flame838]

Maybe PokeAK could hit legend if he focused on improving his gameplay rather than believing some conspiracy is out to get him

[@Danny_Deleto]

​​@@flame838 He has hit legend. Many times in fact. You can beat the algorithm, but that doesn't make it fun. He's just tired of fighting the algorithm.

[@mikebing1230]

@@flame838lol you can’t beat 50% algo….

[@Sachindeo93]

@@flame838not all of us play for legend

[@gamemaster1854]

​@@mikebing1230I hit legend with 60% winrate this season. Seems like a you peoblem

[@Viperveteran]

I have noticed that whenever I am on a win streak the next set will suddenly have a delay in finding matches and then I will face hard counters and core breakers in all the following matches. It definitely seems like the 50% win rate theory is a thing.

[@yggefry2078]

I get to legend rank every season and there's definitely an algorithm. It works against you and for you, it's not just against you. Where you see it typically is when you switch up your team you will immediately get hard countered for the first few battles. Example: I have over 5000 battle in GBL ML and have never seen Empoleon on any team. I decided to change my lead to Togekiss and immediately faced 3 Empoleons in a row. Never seen them again outside those 3 battles. It happens time and time again this is just the most extreme example I have that is 99.9% undeniable proof imo. Also happens when you have a really good win rate to start the season or just go on a 5-0 or 4-1 set even. I got hard countered every game of every set for 25 consecutive sets (so 5 days) and dropped from 2800 ELO to 2200's. Game will try to get you closer to 50% no matter what you do. You can be the best in the world and not have over 60% win rate in GBL.

[@bensmith9164]

I used to think oh well they want everyone to stay around 50% win rate...then i went 4-1 4-1 with the exact same team, and then the next 3 sets, 0-5, 1-4, 1-4. So next day, same team, 1-4 first set. So i changed my team and went 1-4 again. Went back to original team and went 2-3. Changed the order of the team since I was seeing if i could get a different lead I could win, immediately got hard counters again. It is super incredibly frustrating.

[@texasfloodthe9370]

Your main point seems to be that the algorithm doesn't exist because you can use skills to overcome bad leads and hard counter swaps. Overcoming hard counters doesn't disprove the algorithm. I honestly don't understand why people think it's so controversial to believe that the way you are paired in go battle league isn't 100% random. Yes, you get paired with other trainers around your elo, but also get paired based on the types of pokemon/moves you are running.

[@bigml_official]

Because there is no reason for it to be teambased matchmaking, it accomplishes nothing for Niantic. Also sniping people is a thing, no matter what team you bring it always worked which pretty much disproves teambased matchmaking.

[@texasfloodthe9370]

@@bigml_official it makes sense if they want people to stay engaged in the game. The only reason I still play is because of pvp. And I'm sure there are many others like me. The "algorithm" in theory doesn't always screw you over. It allegedly places you in positive matches as well.

[@bigml_official]

@@texasfloodthe9370 do you realize that a skill based matchmaking which pairs based on rating does exactly the same? There is no need for it to consider the team.

[@texasfloodthe9370]

@bigml_official sure it does. But I also notice the more I win the more I end up getting hard countered. Has nothing to do with skill. Again, I'm not complaining, or saying that niantic is deliberately screwing me over. And I'm not saying definitively that there is an algorithm. All I'm saying is it's not that farfetched and it doesn't seem conspiratorial to think it exists.

[@je1947]

​@bigml_official call of duty already does this with skill based matchmaking and they tried to keep it secret as long as they could so that theory is dead. They obviously have their reasons

[@PanHammer5]

I used to think there was an algorithm designed to counter you. Then I realized I was just bad.

[@je1947]

You're probably worse now because I got better when I acknowledged there's an algorithm. Allows me to predict moves

[@derppogopvp7430]

Yeah this is pretty much it, if you talk to the highest skill battlers in the world most of them will tend to agree that there is no algorithm which pairs you based on the pokemon on your team. It's the nature of blind 6 that about half of your leads will be good, half will be bad.

[@SpiffingOSRS]

My biggest issue is that I’ll use a team that sees a consistent hard counter lead for two or three sets (not every game, but consistent). Getting sick of that match up I’ll make a change and then you’ll see Pokémon you didn’t encounter much at all before and most definitely no longer the lead you just changed your team to help with. There’s definitely something in that. I have no problem not having easy match ups, obviously in a blind format you will be hard countered at times, but when you make changes based on what you’ve been seeing consistently and then you never see it again and something completely different it makes no sense. I didn’t know there was even a debate about the ELO matching? I’m pretty sure it’s obvious you’re matched with people around your ELO rather than their rank. I have no problem facing a legend at 2600 ELO though.

[@Harry777]

14:19 Don't you think that's a problem??? Why do we STILL not have an unranked mode where we can do whatever we want? I'm not playing because I want to hit legend. I want to have fun!!

[@ZyoniK]

Yeah I have been asking Niantic for years to give us this game feature.

[@Lucky69K]

Hmm interesting tho

[@dragunlundberg9582]

Same I wish we had this

[@iercan06]

Because that requires more PvP servers, which means Niantic would need to spend more money. We all know how greedy Niantic is, right? Don't expect too much from them.

[@maganhassan2627]

I think Michael staranaka the director of pokemon go confirmed why there's no unranked pvp mode because of queue times if I remember correctly

[@mrkarppvpdeepdive4347]

To me, what most people don't realise is that one can almost never ever go too far ahead of the 50% win rate as long as it is a blind,, a team of 3 format. But you can drop as low as 20 or 10% win rate if you are just bad at the game. If there is any algo, it is the algorithm of blind, team of 3 format itself. Otherwise I need some convincing to believe that a company that regularly forgets to turn on features, release pokemon by errors and even forget their own event schedule can be so sophisticated with a live algo that influence every player's elo rank.

[@Sachindeo93]

Sophisticated? All it takes is to write a piece of code. It isn’t that hard. Also, you don’t have to modify it that often. They must have did it once and left it there.

[@emanuelfer456]

Most of those "forget" to turn on feature are on purpose but they change or apologize when people notice. The algorithm exists in every aspect of the game. Shiny rate, catch rate, probability of rare spawn on incense is influenced by how active you are and how good you are to balance the difficulty and orangee. Most games do that nowadays, even Resident Evil 4 does it.

[@shivankaggarwal711]

I don't believe in algorithm but this stupid notion that Niantic is incompetent needs to retire. Every online gaming company hires top data scientists and that is how they manage to earn 500 mil or above year after year. The job of these data scientists is to literally find out how Niantic can earn more money from each player belonging to different play style group. So it's natural they rig some things in order to convert them to a paying customer or in many cases earn a higher revenue from already paying customer. There are always some behind the scene rigs that these companies do.

[@franko6677]

I’ve heard that Niantic outsources GBL, I want to say to a Japanese company? I don’t know how true that is but I say it to note that it’s possible Niantic’s incompetence wouldn’t even factor in if it’s outsourced. Also, Niantic is perfectly competent when they need/want to be.

[@jackxsaunders]

I think there are two types of players: casual and serious. Having a ranked league and a casuals league would be very beneficial rather than lumping everyone in. I personally like to play casually and chill and when I get to around 2400 it gets more serious and therefore less fun for how I want to play.

[@danowen3495]

There's obviously an algorithm in any PVP, but thinking that niantic is perfectly matching you against counters to your team is ridiculous. I used to always peak at rank 20/Ace until a few seasons ago when I really started focusing on improving my skills and learning more advanced mechanics. Now I hit at least expert every season and have hit legend twice, I still get hard countered but when you understand more advanced mechanics you can overcome a lot of bad matches.

[@ZyoniK]

Yup. Congrats on your climb!

[@jikle4451]

This has literally been my same exact experience.

[@osaka_phong]

Being able to deal with the algorithm does not disprove the algorithm.

[@bigpapisosa7097]

​@@osaka_phong👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽 exactly. Why is this a hard concept for people to grasp? The algorithm is real, AND it's possible for anyone to hit legend. Both statements are true.

[@tobiasgoris4300]

​@@osaka_phong that's true. Knowledge of psychology and statistics does though ;)

[@ShadowEnigmaTV]

Simple fix to not encounter legends at say 2200-2500 is that you should only be able to drop 1 rank, or better yet only allow to drop 200 points. This will stop legends from essentially gate keeping at 2200-2700 range.

[@Hubert-rh4hz]

Why you think that a legendplayer is more gatekeeping as a Expert which only reached 2900elo or a veteran player which hit last 5 seasons legend? And finally, you don’t know in which league other hit legend. Many reach legend in ML, but in GL they are not as good and only on the 2600-2700 range. I know a lot which hit every season legend with ML and lvl50 legendary… but if they fight against me in GL and UL they loose many times (and I mostly hit expert and only a few times Legend)

[@GrannySingaporePVP]

I assure you that if you ever find me in the 2200-2500 ELO range after I’ve already hit legend it’s because I’m using some absolutely absurd/off-the-wall mons that have no business being in gbl. So you’d much rather see me at that ELO than someone who’s doing their best to climb 🤙🏼

[@Hubert-rh4hz]

I believe you, but not every player has the same skill and roster for every league. I hit legend in GL and/or UL… but i m really bad in ML … so if I play ML (cause I want dust) I will fall down to 2500 (something like that), and the reason is I don’t know the counts, my roster is extremely limited (I play lvl45 mons) I have not much experience and I do something else at the same time and not being 100% focused on GBL. I’m with you, I hate that tank down behaviour too. But I can understand that, cause the waiting queue is so bad in high ELO and you have 1 ELO for all leagues (and some bonuses like 4x dust is only up at ML)

[@dmc7911]

As obnoxious as the game can be at times where I feel truly cheated, I tend to agree that the algorithm is simply matching you against players in the same ELO range. I would love to see a simple video going through the types that core together well, you mentioned flying and water being a good example in the video. Knowing these off the top of my head would help a lot with team reading and maybe get me to the next level. Truth is, I’ve always done best in the limited metas where it is easy to memorize move sets, move counts, who wins CMP, typical teams, etc.

[@ShadowEnigmaTV]

@Hubert-rh4hz I have seen sweaty legends at 2200 when I joined the season very late and I have hit legend a few times and felt I really had to try at 2200 like I usually would at 2700+. If I ever hit legend I just run spice to give others a chance to climb and still get stardust for partaking. What is the point in worrying about wins or elo when you already achieved legend? In my opinion it's being a dick gate keeping preventing others to climb and possibly hitting legend for the first time and this is what drives new PVP players away

[@Rebel7284]

Niantic does want you to stay pretty close to 50/50 to stay challenged and the best and easiest way to program that IS just a regular ELO based system..... there is NO reason to add tons of code to shift the natural outcomes of ELO by a few percentage points. As a developer, I find any sort of algorithm that takes pokemon into consideration absolutely unfeasible when ELO accomplishes this already.

[@abhyudaya12]

Having Elo base algo is okay.. But POGO does have a type based algo too..

[@mrslayr]

Yeah but nearly everyone having 50% win ration at every rank is super odd

[@budjettivaje8338]

​​@@mrslayrWhy? Isn't it reasonable to excpect a 50% winrate when you constantly face people who are at an even skill level?

[@mrslayr]

@budjettivaje8338 sure. But it being 50% at pretty the entire season is odd. Legends players being at 50% even when ranking up initially is crazy

[@budjettivaje8338]

@@mrslayr So you're saying It's reasonable but also odd. Why? What should their winrate be, then?

[@EnoughRhetoric]

The algorithm will absolutely keep you at 50% if you live and die by matchups. I get that to beat my high of around 2350 I would need to learn all of the pointers in this video. Move counting being the biggest. Energy management likely next. I also accept that I will never have the time for that in my life. But there is a workaround for the team composition and strategy points. Zyonik’s videos. Thank you 🙏.

[@MontesDawg]

Thanks Zyonik, fellow Dad that Pvp's! My two cents here. I've hit Veteran every season, Expert (twice) and Legend (once). Legend rank happened during Summer Cup. Love that Bea pose. I'm not an elite battler by any means, but I've done thousands of battles and tracked the data with a good enough sample size to see some trends. What I've seen is that you get matched by ELO and on some general level, typing. I'd start to see insanely different team comps and/or movesets once I'd switched up teams. I'd only see those opponent team comps when running specific teams so there was a correlation. Try running an all fairy team for a few sets and will you start to see some opponent team comps you will never see again, I guarantee you! lol Especially at the higher ELO. In the end, you still need skills, as noted in the video, but there are some typing matchups going on. To what extent they "keep you near 50%" is hard to say or qualify, but there is something happening.

[@huyiii2435]

Theres some sort of system in place just like how in raid battles, it auto picks your team depending on the raid boss moveset

[@franko6677]

There is a matchmaking algorithm and it’s astounding to me that anyone would still try to say there’s not.

[@bossdoss6027]

That’s true. It’s and people blame is for their loses but never credit it for their wins

[@Hoffman745]

Nobody is saying they dont want a matchmaking algorithm. Theyre saying they dont want the algorithm to take their team comp into amount. Just mmr. If im winning too much, send me up against someone with higher mmr until I start losing. What happens instead is you get matched up against hard lead loss/core breakers.

[@joonty]

@@Hoffman745 there's literally no evidence that the matchmaking algorithm does that. Niantic have confirmed that it doesn't, so this is why believers in a nefarious algorithm come across as conspiracy theorists. The biggest question to ask yourself is... why? What possible purpose would it serve Niantic to try and force people to a 50% win rate? The Elo system trends towards that by design anyway, so there's no need for them to try and manipulate it further.

[@dontmindme4197]

@@joontysame reason they make every other team decision in the game and it’s to keep you playing

[@gabrielcomeau3518]

@@joontythere is a 50% win rate but you can make it higher by having better pokemons. win rates are around 40-60%

[@jimmywu888]

in open master league i kept running into lando leads (against my lando) but as soon as i put a kyogre in the lead they all disappeared hmmm

[@RyanRist2123]

Whether it’s an “algorithm” or not, it’s pretty damn weird in 3 sets (15 battles) every opponent I faced had a bronzor. As soon as I powered up and doubled moved a cacturne with sucker punch I didn’t see a single bronzor in the remaining 2 sets. Maybe just an odd coincidence 🤷‍♂️

[@theoccidilian4896]

I’ve lost 15 leads in a row! That is not random. Doesn’t matter if I alter my lead, the algorithm adjusts. Many 10-in-a-row lead losses. This always happens after a few winning streaks. Same great team, but unlevel field.

[@dcarvalho6144]

It's pretty much guaranteed that it does exist. I'm not buying that it's just random chance that tons of people get hard countered in multiple matches, and once they change the team, they then get hard countered as well. But there's more. I know atleast one player, who doesn't even know type effectiveness, that has a win streak record of 20 wins. This is quite above average, even for a good player, so I never understood how he got it. But recently, I watched a Mystic7 video, where he did some rank 10 battles, and who would've thought, he gets in 4 out of 5 battles, players with throw away teams (low CP pokemon) and the 5th battler had underpowered pokemon for that league (Ultra). Then I realised that's probably how that player I know, has that 20 win streak, they get paired with those kinds of teams constantly. Before people say "that's because he was rank 10 a long time after the season started". I have accounts that were at the time somewhere between rank 7 and 12, and was still facing proper teams, regardless of league. Heck, in rank 10, I was finding lvl 50 legendaries in ML, including Zygarde, Solgaleo, Shadow Mewtwo and more.

[@viniciuskfm]

One important point to notice is: the ELO system is designed to "try" and pair you against players with a similar skill level (if you play against lesser opponents, you climb easily until you aren't anymore. If it's against stronger ones, you lose a lot). Once you are at this range, on the long go, you will reach ~50% win rate, however many wins or losses you had before that

[@dolphin1975]

If you have a flying type you encounter stunkfish If you hv charm, you encounter poison Naintic should know what you are using since everything is code by them.

[@marcusbordage1741]

Hit Veteran for the second season in a row after previously peaking at 2100. This video gave me the motivation to do it. Thanks Zyonik!

[@Lucky69K]

6:56 yep i was too stuck at ace till few days ago I've hit vet finally tbh i can hit expert

[@ZyoniK]

you can totally do it, just keep working on areas in the game you know that you struggle with. If you don't know, record some battles then watch them after and think about where you could have improved!

[@LAGoad-vo7ri]

With the current state of water dominated bs. I’ll build a team to counter it (ampharos, venesaur, LITTERALLY ANYTHING to counter it) just to get met with hard walls with no relevance to what I saw the past 3 sets of battles. Idk about algorithm but it can’t just be coincidental.

[@Aroeny]

Everyone who says there is not an algorithm for matchmatking has absolutely no clue how modern day games work.

[@Conky1452]

Yes the game has a matchmaking system no one is saying it doesn’t but it’s not the one most people complain about. It’s based off of your MMR and not the team you choose

[@PaulwardP]

I just went 5-0 with neutral leads. (Leading scrafty). As soon as that set ends. I had 4 charm users in a row on the lead. So what do I do? Lead toxapex. I see a shadow hypno on the lead for the last match. I just closed the app for the day. What a trash game

[@SFSR6]

Call it superstition but I always change my team after a battle and apparently I get better matches that way. Also, when you roll TMs, it is like if you do them in a row the moves stay in a loop getting, idk, astonish and tackle back and forth instead of something better like shadow claw (just an example). There are a lot of sketchy things in Pokemon Go tbh

[@itzmatos]

This has been discussed multiple times before, and no matter how many times I try to explain my view, there will always be someone who doesn't believe it, and vice-versa. It's not entirely a solution, but if there was an unranked matchmaking system I can guarantee you that no one would complain about an algorithm based on matching pokemon to one another based on typing, moves etc.

[@ryanb6658]

When we do raids they automatically pick our teams based on the moves and when we battle a go rocket it automatically picks our teams based on moves so I wonder why it would be any different when we fight in GBL? Nobody’s ever answered this question of mine

[@tigerbiterhater]

There’s an algorithm. If it’s truly a random match ups. We will definitely see all kinds of Pokémon besides all current metas. I’ll run Bastidon lead. Will let me have good 10-3 run. After that. Nothing but Medicham lead or fighter all of a sudden. Lol😂

[@wiktoriarork6162]

Oh, 7! Was always lazy to count Bastiodon's fast moves 😁 thanks. I agree with you. I saw enough videos of spice battles 😁 to tell that you can break any algorithm by planning and skills.

[@Danny_Deleto]

The algorithm exists, i mean every pvp game has some form of it. But you can still beat it, otherwise nobody would climb. You wouldn't see people proud of their 20 win streak. I do have to admit, I'd still rather have what the main games had where you have six Pokémon and choose three while you can see your opponents six Pokémon. Be a lot more interesting in terms of teambuilding, and a lot more fair.

[@franco4852]

This needed to be said, so thank you. It’s the same with any competitive online game I’ve played. The vast majority of people stuck at a certain rank blame everything but themselves as the reason they cannot climb. Everyone runs into teams that wall you and no amount of skill overcomes that. That’s a small minority of matches out of a full day of sets. Appreciate the positivity as always, Zyonik!

[@shirkoj225]

Why do we not say there is algorithm and all we need is to use skills to bear the game

[@tigerbiterhater]

lol that’s the algorithm. Walling you. 😂

[@jarlkakadue615]

The matchmaking is based on ELO and nothing else. Believing otherwise is a mix of Gambler's Fallacy and confirmation bias. It is absolutely a shared delusion of both the PoKEMON GO PvP community, or at least perpetual Ace-rank trainers, and every single other gaming PvP community where people are stuck in one league or rank, while believing they belong in a higher rank, and blame the system by assigning it evil intentions and conjuring up entirely made-up matchmaking processes that makes no sense and are needlessly complicated, based on absolutely nothing other than confirmation bias and Gambler's Fallacy. It is nice to see a content creator that doesn't baby the community by playing into this shared delusions, which it would be really easy to do compared to explaining why some of us are probably, actually stuck in Ace-rank. For me, I for sure need to improve on my fast-move counting, both so that I can more consistently catch charge moves on switching, and also to avoid giving away free fast move turns when throwing my own charge moves. It may be a little harsh, but anyone playing any kind of competitive game where RNG and matchmaking is part of it, needs to try and be aware of and rid themselves of confirmation bias and Gamer's Fallacy, because it prevents you from improving and it doesn't matter whether the game is PGO PvP or Texas Holdem - you're not going to improve if you blame your mistakes on an external system, much less a made-up one, because you can't learn anything from mistakes that you don't own.

[@donpedro71]

I *know* for a fact I need to work on my skills. I appreciate watching and learning from @zyonik and other creators. And it actually helps to hear that even Zyonic is not even 60%. You're going to lose matches, no matter how good you are. With 18 types, you can't cover everything.

[@1DarthBaiter]

You're the most down-2-earth content creator! 😎👍 u always have great videos and commentary!

[@SFSR6]

Niantic should use the same rules as in official tournaments. It would be amazing if you could preview each other's team of 6 and pick based on the info

[@kiehallo]

I have almost stopped playing this season because of this. I kept trying to go more than Expert and every time I climbed, the next day I'd get hard countered by teams I didn't face before. I just lost the motivation, and honestly it's not like you have to be a genius to be able to play well. So it's not only about the skills.

[@kimchinrice1990]

It’s simple. If you are skilled enough, you can climb to legend whether there is algorithm or not period. It’s so annoying to see a specific youtuber always complaining about the algorithm

[@azimuthclark462]

I think a major problem here is a lot of people don't understand what the word algorithm means.

[@ilBaccello]

I suspect that implementing the 'algorithm' is extremely inefficient on a queuing system like GBL ( in order to divert battles to hard counter teams for all players all the time). The waiting time for battles would be way higher at ACE ELO. Unless by algorithm people are also thinking that the opponents are actually bots. However a quick browse on campfire might dispel that theory :-) However, like explained in this video, adopting a specific team composition and related strategy will reduce the perceivedly-purposeful RPS hard countering in GBL.

[@charizard9633]

The thing about bots is that they definitely do exist in GBL. People farm bots all the time like for example all the pokemaps that are still in existence… there is a guy in my city that runs a pogo map service and he says he literally has thousands of bots he uses to get the data for his map service. He says there are bots for everything from finding Pokemon to battling gyms to spinning Pokestops and even in PVP.

[@ilBaccello]

@@charizard9633 you're right. I saw unofficial maps with location of spawns even in the middle of the night. I didn't expect that these were used for battling in GBL. Are you saying that users are deploying bots for PvP or is it Nianticn to systematically bias GBL?

[@haggardfalcone]

Realistically we need a wide scale data analysis using a big data set to determine whether the algorithm hypothesis has any credence. You can't make the determination based on your own sets, because the dataset is too small, and there is no way to eliminate bias. But ultimately it's pointless because regardless of what the data tells us whoever is wrong will just double down on their beliefs. The cognitive dissonance is strong. 😂

[@robertionescu8770]

See my luck ZyoniK, as per your comments from 6:30 , I was almost expert this season around 2740 range, but I did not hit it because of some negative sets that brought me to veteran range again. So I got stuck to Veteran because I gave up climbing when I see this "algorithm" every day...

[@jeremykops]

I'm a legend player and I'm sitting at a 53% overall win rate. While skill is the biggest overall factor in the higher ranks, theres definitely a matchmaking program in play. You can see the same team comps for numerous sets when youre running a specific team, and once you change your team you see entirely different team comps

[@jazandriz]

exactly. how to statistically test this is the question.

[@GurtejSinghGuitar]

Why doesn't any body not talk about luck? Half of PvP is now luck based I feel

[@BigBrotherMateyka]

I'm with you 100%; there is an elo system, and outside of that, success in climbing depends on countering 'hot' team comps and versatility in being able to flip matchups. Like Zy said, there is no evil predeterminate 'algorithm' that keeps players down. And at the end of the season, you'll end up hovering around 52%-60%. That's the way it is folks, whether you like it or not. Somewhat of an anecdotal case was my success this season in reaching Legend (3138 max) running primarily Skeledirge, Cradily, and Guzzlord.

[@aarowid]

Okay let's ASSUME, there is an algorithm that tries to keep people at 50% win rate. It seems that there are people that still reach legend, that know how to overcome bad leads. And since the Algorithm applies to all players, it's still fair again. And all the people hitting legend are doing it because they are skilled enough to overcome the algorithm, while others are not. So in conclusion it does not matter if there is an algorithm. In both cases your skill determines if your are able to climb. Which means we need to hone our skills.

[@GurtejSinghGuitar]

I think you are factoring out the luck factor here. Some ppl are just more lucky than others in winning leads and not getting hard countered.

[@GurtejSinghGuitar]

Like Doonebug getting so many night slash boosts in the regionals, sometimes even 2 in a single match.

[@aarowid]

@@GurtejSinghGuitar oh no, I'm not. I also do think there is no hard counter algorithm. My comment was hypothetically and started with "assume". Showing that even if there were an algorithm, in the end it still is fair, because it applies to all players.

[@Wiilike2tube]

If an algorithm didn't exist, Niantic would have the receipts...but they don't.

[@palegrey444]

THERE have been so many times where all 5 of my sets were full of counters. Even when I ran "joke" teams that had no synergy I will never forget ( I ran a Samurott, Bastiodon, and drifblim) and instantly my first 3 matches were against a lanturn lead twice and an ampharos lead on the 3rd match. EVERY time I switch out they whether it be bastiodon they switch to a machamp or medicham it never fails. Then once I go the whole day only winning 2 matches the next day the algorithm decides to give me the most braindead players who have pokemon not even close to 1500 or 2500 and running terrible teams. Even on games where I tryhard and use meta pokemon or spice picks the algorithm at the end of the day will decide if you have an easy time or not. Currently in the little cup it doesn't matter what I do, If I have my Wigglytuff on the lead 9 times out of 10 I start off against a bronzor and it's game over nothing I can do. If I switch to a counter they instantly switch to a counter. If I save my wigglytuff for my backline and have a bronzor counter on in the front the bronzor will be pushed to the back. Sometimes It's hard to tell if Im improving AT ALL in this game or just the algorithm giving me easy pickings to boost my confidence.

[@Emmanuel009]

I believe the Algorithm exist, sometimes it throws the same pokemon over and over and over, across multiple sets and elos, then you change your team and suddenly you don't see those pokemon anymore, but I agree that you need to learn to deal with different situations it throws at you

[@blkboi4251]

Zyonik I ❤you, “you have to overcome bad situations” 🗣️🤞🏾 real af

[@rustinbates2554]

I got to 2731 this season. My all time high elo. After that, I ran into straight hard counter lead, swap and closers for 3-4 battles out of each set for the next 4 sets. I dropped almost 200 elo before bouncing back above veteran. I know the counts, I know fast move optimization, I just personally feel like the game screws me over after getting into veteran rank. If I had to name something that I need to improve on, it would be team reading.

[@noahandelin6907]

The algorithm exists so hard I recognized it before I even started watching poke tubers.

[@e2driver99]

TL;DR - If you are always getting hard countered, that proves there is no hard counter matching because you are not getting easy matches 50% of the time. Zyonic is right....and wrong. Mathematically the power power match ELO structure IS an algorithm AND it is set such that as the number of matches played approaches infinity, your ELO win rate should approach 50%. The real question is whether or not the algorithm "picks" counters to try and make you lose. If you are a hard believer in this, set aside emotion and read below why this makes no logical sense. First, let me lead with a math metaphor; if you stick a bunch of cords into a bag, why do they always come out tangled and knotted? The simple, mathematical answer is that there is only one solution where they come out untangled and nearly infinite solutions where they come out tangled. PVP is similar. Take swampert, which is ubiquitous in PVP. It is a good and solid choice. In GL, one shield Swampert goes 19-21-3 against the meta, according to PVPoke. So right from the start, statistically, you should only win about half the leads. But look closer, one of those wins is vs ASandslash(s) with a 507 rating. And PVPoke even tells you that "2 turns of difference can flip this scenario. It is highly vulnerable to energy, IV, or lag factors." Not to mention baits. The reality is that only about 1/3 of the meta match ups are solid wins. But beyond the statistics, it does not make sense for Niantic to program the algorithm to search for hard counters for your team to keep you at a 50% win rate. Because, wait for it, that would mean it is also matching you up with a solid win for your lead 50% of the time. Which means that if you are one of the "I always get hard countered" whiners, then this would also prove that there is NO hard counter algorithm, because you didn't get matched to easy leads half the time. So if Niantic actually went to the effort to match hard counters, then it is also matching easy games for you as well. Why bother?, just as easy to only match ELO and server proximity to maximize game experience.

[@theoccidilian4896]

“You've got to know when to hold 'em Know when to fold 'em Know when to walk away And know when to run” - Kenny Rogers

[@changsterville]

The algorithm exist. Its purpose is to make sure only elite players reach legends because they find ways to beat it.

[@brycedoria8671]

imo the problem with the algorithm conspiracy is that it is built on the assumption that niantic is competent enough to design something that sophisticated

[@godzipgo2494]

Enjoy the game, have fun make friends, win or lose it doesn't make you any better unless you are a KZbinr not even your mom is gonna know if you hit legend or not, chill, take it sport

[@GrannySingaporePVP]

Zy, I’m not only a legend. But I bounce on and off the leaderboards so I have no agenda for what I’m going to say. I’m not making any excuses, because there’s nothing to make excuses about; I hit legend every season early and am very happy with my gbl experience: Having said that… there absolutely IS an algorithm. It DOES pair you based on ELO. But it ALSO pairs based on team composition. The algorithm does try to even the playing field and as result it does tend to keep players at or around 50%. The way I know this is from observations and experience, as well as common sense. Whether the algorithm blesses you with great matchups or curses you with terrible ones 100% depends on how you performed in the previous set. For example, if I get a 5-0, i will bet my house that the following set I will see teams with typings and moves that absolutely and totally counter mine. But if I go 1-4, the next set I’m more likely to see favorable matchups. HOWEVER, this is NOT AN EXCUSE! what Zyonic is saying is 1000% TRUE! The algorithm does exist, but it is NOT THE REASON for your struggles! Every battler has to deal with it. The way to hit legend is to win the games you’re supposed to win, win some of the games you shouldn’t, and just try to minimize the damage when you get walled. Like Zy says. Move counts. Move timing. Typing matchups. Catches, team reading, recognizing win conditions are all things you can always improve. Do these things and keep working hard and you will see improvements, regardless of the algo

[@kevina3226]

Sorry but HIGHLY doubt you’ve hit leaderboards consistently if you’re seriously talking about a matchup algorithm. The whole point of ELO is that in the long term you hit your appropriate rating and then your WR averages towards 50%. You’re completely ignoring the times you go 4-1 three times in a row because your team comp is beating the current meta at your elo - confirmation bias is making you focus on moments that support your conspiracy theory. Also this is objectively how elo ranked systems work, not subjective like your “observations and common sense” lol

[@CurL488]

They have. Pretty skilled too from what I’ve seen. Pogo Grind showcases this trainer. Last one I saw was near mid December before the holiday cup.

[@RowletGod69]

There is no algorithm that os specifically designed to pair you up against unfavorable team comps on purpose.

[@franko6677]

This. This is 100% true, every word of it.

[@GrannySingaporePVP]

@@RowletGod69 if you say so

[@amparnell9]

I won’t ever say there is zero skill involved in pvp bc it’s untrue. But saying that skill can overcome an alleged algorithm trying to counter you and keep you at 50% WR isn’t disproving its existence. Seeing the super obscure core breaker to a team you just had a 5-0 with isn’t a coincidence imo

[@shnaxxxyoutube972]

Always enjoy ur in depth pvp videos man keep it up, I hit ace for the first time in the evo catch cup thx to a lil guidance from ur videos ❤

[@kijoca73]

I believe there is a balancing factor to it. Thanks to you and Callum I got to Vereran for the first time this season. I enjoy the PVP a lot and it can be frustrating when you are dominating with a team one day, then suddenly you get dominated.

[@RedBaronPt73]

I am not into conspiracy theories, but there is something definitely wrong in the way battlers are paired in GBL. As an example ( that anyone as tons of), after climbing 120 elo on thursday with a team leading Whimsicott, yesterday I dropped 40 elo (and today reached leagend…). The point is that, yesterday, I only played 3 sets and in those 15 battles I saw 9 Dewgongs, 2 skarmorys, 2 gligars 1 talonflame and 1 dragonair. I still went 6/9 but the point is that I play to have fun and this kind of runs are simply not fun ( same applies to similar positive runs that also appen). My point is that the matchmaking system should have some kind of safeguard to prevent at least, that you are facing the same lead 4 times in one set… And I still have difficulty finding a mathematical model that explains this “kind of randomness”….

[@saschaschoeben2008]

A friend of mine got 86 wins in a row. He lost the First 20 Sets in purpose and paid 200€ in the Game. A day after that there was an Event were you could do 100 Fights in row. That day He got 86 wins in a row. We were pretty convinced there ist am Algorithm afterwards. Worse Thing... we are pretty shure the 200€ paid in were a big Part of winning...

[@jayb2705]

It's the same as the one about new or returning players having more shiny luck, there is evidence of some truth to it but you could argue the other way too. I usually start off with a team and do well, then suddenly I'll start getting hard countered. I end up switching my team around a few times before finding a new combination that works for the remaining sets I have. Also as you win, you climb elo and play harder players.

[@gregfrazer6892]

Solid video Zyonik. Thanks for making it. What is your take on bots? Do they exist, and if so, at what ELO do you think they disappear, cuz I don’t think they exist in the Expert and Legend ranks.

[@maganhassan2627]

Apparently not long ago there was bot that reveal what pokemon you use to hard counter you it's been talked about from youtubers like pokeAK & zyonik I don't know if niantic fixed that 🤷‍♂️

[@gregfrazer6892]

Not talking about bots that allow cheating, but rather AI trainer bots that run teams.

[@IceMan-i5i]

There are bots in go battle league up to expert level. They cant have them in the high ranks of legend or they'd be exposed because very few battles should be available in those high brackets.

[@maganhassan2627]

how do these bots work exactly?@@IceMan-i5i

[@JohnWakeling-s5s]

100% there some kind of matching. I just had the same core 5 times in a row. When I switch teams the core changes. Odds of having 5 times in a row is a million to one.

[@princebasem]

from my personal experience, changing my team composition makes certain pokemons from opponents start appearing more and other not at all. the distribution of the pokemons from the opponents changes when i switch teams. It might be because niantic is trying to prevent some sort of team composition exploits? like somehow finding the types of pokemons i see the most and create an anti meta team and auto win matches? another reason is to avoid un eventful matches where the pokemons from both sides don't have any effective moveset against each other. This can be by ensuring that the matches have pokemons that can apply super effective damage to each other.

[@guauguaugaming8061]

I used to like ultra and master meta, but nowadays I only like and play master league. For me it’s the best league cause it’s the closest meta, so there are not big changes that often and the status quo tends to be maintained, that way I know how to play, what matches I can win and what can I do to win in a losing position, I always get to veteran in that league and then stop playing to win, I only farm stardust from that point onwards haha. I reached that rank with my dialga Kyogre and Lugia team for the last 5-6 seasons, this last season meta changed a lot, so this season I got there with Landorus dialga and dragonite, but i just changed dragonite for origin Palkia and i wanna test it.

[@Omega1818]

Play 20 matches with 1 team, then for your last 5 matches of the day switch ur team. Watch what happens. That’s literally all u have to do. There’s no other discussion to be had once u do this

[@bussewtsy31]

If the algorithm didn’t exist you would see way more neutral leads instead of 80-90% leads where someone has to immediately swap out. It’s easy to test too. Just lead an electric type and see how often you run into ground, water, or flying leads. There are 18 types and only 3 are either super effective to you or take super effective from you. But you’ll see those 3 types over and over. Then after leading the same Pokemon for 20-30 battles, switch it up and you’ll start seeing mons you haven’t seen in a long time.

[@biggestkat1134]

That has to do with condensed meta. You will always see the same pokemon over and over. This season its Anialape, whiscash, poliwrath, chargebug.

[@bussewtsy31]

@@biggestkat1134 You ignored the last part of my comment. After running the same team with the same lead 20-30 times, switch it up. That’s when you’ll see different mons. Seeing the same ones over and over proves my point. You are using the same mons so the game makes you face the same mons. Switch it up and you’ll see new mons.

[@biggestkat1134]

@@bussewtsy31 but you won't see different mons. I switch up my teams all the time once I hit legend and it's the same old boring pokemon I face. The ones PvP poke and youtubers says are good. It actually makes it extremely easy to climb because no one can think independently. To the point where if zyonik or jonkus or homeslice makes a video I can make a hard counter team and I gain elo. Of course if you don't think independently and use the same old mons you will face the same mons you use and run into a rock paper scissor scenario where you will by random chance hard counter your opponent and then get hard countered and run into the 50% win ratio where you climb 100 points one day and then drop 100 the next day. Over and over and over and you are stuck in eternal ACE level.

[@bussewtsy31]

@@biggestkat1134A couple of seasons ago in UL I was leading Excadrill with Tentacruel and Waterfall Primarina in the back. When I won the lead 90% of the time the opponent would swap Giratina. After seeing my 30th Giratina swap I put charm on Primarina. Once I did that, 100% of Giratinas I faced from that moment on were in the lead. Not one single Giratina safe swap after that. That’s not a coincidence and it’s not just bad luck.

[@biggestkat1134]

@@bussewtsy31 that is because you are following the crowd and not thinking. Why did you play a entire day without putting charm on your primirina? After you saw 5 Giritina safe swaps you should have immediately put charm on your primirina and not wait 30 + sets! Because the same crowd that follows the youtubers who told them to use a giritina safe swap and don't think will begin to get frustrated because they will begin to be hard countered by people like me or having mirror matches and do something super simple like moving their safe swap to the front. It's 100% predictable. For example on the first day you hardcounter their girantina the first day when you notice the pattern of giritina safe swaps. When you begin noticing that people are using giritina in the front well you move primirina to the front to hardcounter that. Boom easy elo and you can gain around 150 points in those 2 days.

[@erikkubonhalvorsen4347]

Thank you for a good video. I think there are some facts that are objectively true. The first is that you will always be paired according to your rank and in the range around your ELO. Second is that the game is designed to have an overall win ratio of 50%. So how do they achieve this? One thing I have noticed is that they have a lot of bots, and they put you up against them if you're on a winning streak beating human players. That way they can guarantee that you will be hard countered. Henceforth you will be put to test if you win i.e 3 in a row. You can verify this by not tapping or trying to through charge moves in situations you would not normally throw them, i.e. overcharging, then the bot will copy you and always win the tie and be able to throw first. This is the feeling of beeing super countered.

[@flame838]

You think there's bots disguised with human usernames playing against us? what kool-aid are you drinking

[@samladin86]

Completely agree that once you get to expert and above it matches you with same level players and pokemon as there is less of them but lower than expert it matches you to keep you at a 50 win rate. I have tested this when im between 2000 to 2600 I change teams and immediately get counter with a different set of pokemon that had not been there before. Also once at 2650 to 2945 have gotten past this level no matter what team I choose I come across the same teams no matter what another indication of this is the wait time get longer as you go up. I then only normally drop a lot as I keep playing on the last weeks and there's some cups that I don't have good mon for or master league

[@Amarantine1]

This guys knowledge is crazy. I’m not good at the game at all, I’m trying to learn counts and all that but it takes a long time. I just got 2,689 ranking in the little catch cup and I’m over the moon. I’ve never been this high before, but watching his videos motivates me to keep at it

[@RomeoVisionInc]

I don’t think it’s an evil Niantic 50% Algorithm, I agree with Zyonik. I do however think it’s a counter typing algorithm in general. Pay close attention because if you’re frustrated and want to climb, then learn all the tactics Zyonik is talking about. Overcoming is 1000% true.

[@Projets96]

From the first pvp day there is an algorithm, have you opened your eyes guys? Just now?

[@swammer13]

I don't buy the 'hard-counter Algorithm' idea at all. I've hit legend almost every season since GBL started and I can say confidently the season that I didn't were because I was either playing poorly (not counting moves or throwing at good timing) or I was expressly trying to use spicy teams to keep things fresh. The belief in an algorithm is understandable as it is a very clear application of confirmation bias, but if you look at this from Niantic's perspective the difficulty in implementing it would be very high. They would need to analyze your team and it's movesets, effectively have a database of simulated battles and choose an opponent where the simulation spit out a negative result for both your lead to their lead and your pokemon in the back to at least one of their pokemon in the back. The complexity of it is just so much higher than to use pre-existing matchmaking algorithms in things like chess. There is little incentive or pay-off for them to do it and high cost; even Niantic is smart enough to know that is simply a money-pit and I don't see any plausible reason they would do undertake that effort.

[@kenstargel782]

Been stuck at ace forever. Its the hard lag lately thats been screwing me over. Ive lost a fair amount of games because of the lag and then just go on a streak of being hard countered....... its every season im stuck between the 2350 to 2450 ace range 😮‍💨

[@Bowzer_bby]

A lot of good points made. Other players and some content creators just need to get better.

[@takecare3852]

The algorithm definitely exists.. BUT don’t let that stop you from playing. There’s a reason legend players always attain it every season. It’s becomes a skill issue at that point. But don’t let the algorithm discourage you from setting pvp goals. Best of luck trainers 👍🏽

[@dontmindme4197]

Exactly it is what it is, it’s no different from lag it’s just apart of the game overcome it or get over it

[@AstroKidLo]

I don’t get why people hesitate to say there is scripting in video games. So many games have the same “phenomenon” happening. I play fifa unfortunately and even in that community and even with a dog water company like EA you’ll have people attack you if you say there is scripting: which there obviously is. SBMM and Scripting is the worst thing ever brought into video games

[@aLogicalNut7]

Probably someone has had this idea before, but how about in 2026 (10 years of the game) Niantic does a community day that unlocks all the elite moves for all the Pokemon that had a community day since the beginning of the game. How to make this idea reach Niantic?

[@Joze28314]

When I finally hit legend for the first time this season, I stopped believing it was as bad as I used to

[@bacalhau9087]

Peter's Principle: "In a hierarchy, everyone rises until they reach the the level of incompetence." That must be the real algorithm :)

[@RotomMon]

you say you "believe" so theyre not actual facts that youre saying. algorithm has existed so that game companies can keep the game going. thats just been proven

[@Mike-sz9gv]

The algorithm is so obvious it’s insulting.

[@dakotahbell2534]

Bro just made a 16 minute video saying get good 😂

[@XSETMando]

😂

[@XSETMando]

I'll still respect ZyoniK tho

[@drecali2848]

There 100% is an algorithm. This is asinine.

[@Nada004]

I get an understand all tht is being said however my problem is movesets, exp. I run Kyorge with blizzard I lose the mirror cause the other trainer has thunder. I switch to thunder and all the kyorge mirror matches are gone 🤣🤣

[@lukaslambs5780]

The algorithm is whatever I need it to be to cope with my skill issue But all kidding aside it sometimes feels like it’s a real thing. I don’t actually think it is though. And if it is, that’s how the game works. And some people are very successful so it is possible!

[@toddwende886]

Out of 30,277 games I’ve won 15,279. That’s 50.4%. Strange.

[@PaulAndersonENG]

There isn't the type of algorithm people speak of in Pokemon Go, It's an Elo system with predicted outcomes over variations. Elo system is key, chess has an elo system which from low level to high level it's also 47%-53% nearly always

[@abhyudaya12]

ELO + Type based algo.. having a type based algo is wrong..