What Is The Best Diet: Raw Fruits & Veggies or Cooked Starches? | Chef AJ LIVE! with Doug Lisle

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Dr. Doug Lisle is the co-author of The Pleasure Trap (now available on Audible) and the psychologist at both the TrueNorth Health Center and The McDougall 10 Day program, in Santa Rosa, CA. He is also the star of the weekly Beat Your Genes Podcast which airs live every Wednesday at 8:30pm Pacific time on Blog Talk Radio.
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[@veganpowergirl]

I love it when he looses track of where he is going. Thats when we learn the most interesting things!

[@tofutuesday]

Yes! I love going along with where his mind wanders!

[@DrScottHarrington]

Always impressed with Dr. Lisle’s wisdom

[@GaryHighFruit]

He's dumb. Black tribes-women in Africa don't turn me on. But our internal physiology is IDENTICAL.

[@ioanaconstantin7151]

I can listen Dr. Lisle for days and don't get bored. Thanks guys

[@mikemasail823]

Dr Lisle is the only Dr who follows a Vegan lifestyle, who is honest enough to admit that we humans are Omnivorous. Whether this is the healthiest way to eat is debatable, but it must be noted that the animal products our ancestors ate, are far different to the factory farmed meat, chicken and fish that is served up today.

[@PropheticCoachTheresa]

True. Dr. Fuhrman admits this truth also.

[@themountainsandthesea4121]

true.

[@Matt-je1ck]

The only one? I think that's a stretch.

[@Audiofreund2]

I am vegan but I would eat a self caught fish from a crystal clear lake in the middle of a forest.

[@edenicchristian335]

If by omnivores you mean we ate the occasional insect with our fruit and vegetables, and later adopted outright carnivory due to climactic changes, then you are right.

[@susanb5812]

I love that he tells it like it is and doesn’t allow those empty arguments grab hold!!!

[@angelaspielbusch1237]

I love Dr. Lisle’s video on Chef AJ channel! Thank you so much 😊

[@myggggeneration]

Glad I decided to listen to Dr Lisle again. He makes so much sense!

[@hayleysunnex1208]

Doc, you're a genius! I LOVE Dr Lisle's incredible insights and particularly his insights on meat in the diet is years past. I'm 100% WPF vegan but what he says makes total sense. He always speaks with that endearing degree of humility and humour. Chef AJ, you look absolutely gorgeous as always!! 🥰🥰 Great interview 🤩

[@CHEFAJ]

Thank you so much!

[@lanalana7558]

Thank you, Chef AJ and thank you Dr. Lisle for a very informative discussion!

[@dizziemisslizzie4040]

I think both is good. I eat a lot of stuff raw, and I cook some things like white potatoes. 😊

[@mikefixac]

This is a discussion that has begged to be discussed thoroughly for a long long time. Dr. Lisle does a fantastic job unraveling the differences between a cooked and a raw food diet. I saw Doug Graham speak years and years ago about the raw food diet and he said that most raw foodies actually eat a higher fat diet than the standard public. Because to get to satiation they had to eat a lot of nuts. But no doubt Doug Graham has done a lot of good, look at his fruits Robbie and Cyrus.. PostScript: AJ, I’m now part time in the desert. I do AC. If you ever need help with that, please let me know.

[@CHEFAJ]

Thank you!

[@ehswissie]

My favourite person to listen to on the whole wide interwebs. So glad you brought this on, I was sort of worried after the 80/10/10 interview I would have to say goodbye to my beloved cooked starches💕

[@kristinheimburg330]

Love your top, AJ. Also love it when you have Dr. Lisle on!

[@CHEFAJ]

Thanks!

[@laylaverbance4673]

Regardless of the theory, have Dr. Lisle or Dr. McDougal ever tried eating 801010 raw fruit-based for any length of time and compared the way they feel to their current diets? It sounds like Doug Graham is the only one to have tried both styles for years at a time over his life, and seems to just be reporting/sharing his findings? Maybe not? Have a great day🙏

[@themountainsandthesea4121]

Watching this Sunday August 1st, 2021...about an hour after it premiered(dang, just missed the premiere). Looking forward to this topic. What an interesting start to the week!🍃Thanks ,Chef A. J.!

[@christinem8776]

Loved the information packed into that hour. Dr Lisle gave an honest break down of the question which has enabled me not to be closed minded.

[@tonivandyke]

This was FABULOUS - I just listened twice. Thank you to you both, it cleared up lots of questions.

[@gosiakonstanty3456]

Chef AJ thank you so much for bringing Dr Lisle to answer this question. He explains it so logically , I love his wisdom. Please do it more often, these interviews with Dr Lisle, Dr Howk and Dr Goldhamer are my favorites.

[@amygrams520]

Thank you for this. It was really helpful. Like you, Chef AJ, I struggled with some of Dr. Graham's comments like starving in a wheat field, so Dr. Lisle's perspective was helpful

[@rachelhobson5725]

That was amazing! He blows my mind every time.

[@cobygibson6875]

What a wonderful, terrific and fantastic dump of incredible information! Thank you!

[@jgrysiak6566]

Even Dr. McDougall admits he eats turkey on Thanksgiving! I love his honesty!

[@michelemarston6149]

Great interview! I suspect the reason why eating a high percentage of raw veggies and fruit is because it brings along lots of healthy microbes. :)

[@jacquelynhill1598]

Fabulous information, answers so many questions!

[@patriciagrace162]

FANTASTIC.... Interview most accurate & valuable - million dollar a minute wisdom from Dr Lisle. "YOU" my dear Chef AJ have never looked better! Your pure gift to humanity is unmasked with less make up and more of YOU smiling Through. This world needs you both shining and sharing your authentic wisdom & spirit. Bless you for your commitment to serve. The voice of an elder here watching you mature for years and stunned with your beauty, this day and this interview.

[@CHEFAJ]

Thank you. Your kind comment is very much appreciated!

[@susandurandstone4278]

I could listen to Dr Lisle for hours. He’s a wealth of knowledge ❤️

[@CHEFAJ]

Me too!

[@ffiontill5924]

This channel is my saviour. So grateful. Love her and her channel and all the fabulous guests!! My mind expanding I love it💕✨🤩

[@tracycurrent6078]

I learn so much from Dr. Lisle. He's fantastic. Thank you.

[@sunshineandhappiness6014]

I think dr graham was saying for athletic recovery raw food is more excellent diet. Genesis 2:16 every TREE of the garden you can eat. 😄 I love Dr Graham and Dr lisle. See which diet works best for you.

[@qualqui]

As every other visit with ya Chef AJ, Dr. Doug Lisle is AMAZING to listen to and after what he said here, that leaves me to a personal hypothesis, my ancestors here in central Mexico were only able to domesticate the turkey and a little dog, turkey was grown for its feathers and the dog for use as a pack animal, and while they had wild game, fish and insects, they were primarily 70% vegetarian. Thanks for sharing this COOL guest appearance of Dr. Lisle, liked and sending you greetings from Querétaro! :D

[@beccogiallo]

I love when someone with knowledge and experience makes me think! Dr. Lisle is mesmerizing.

[@GoRodent]

BAM! Finally...I have been waiting for someone to ask this question..thankyou AJ..and what an answer..thankyou so much Dr. Lisle! Best video on all of KZbin!

[@gunthervonhoffman6453]

Yabba dabba doo on your dress AJ

[@growingbettervegetables]

What a great discussion and interview. Thanks.

[@gloria6396]

THE DIFFERENCE BET THE DOCTORS U HAVE SO GLORIOUSLY INTRODUCED 2 US (LISLE AND GOLDHAMMER) AND ALL THE OTHERS IS THAT THEY SPEAKS SCIENCE THIS GIVES US A CHANCE TO RELAX IN COMPLETE TRUST THANK U AJ I LEARNED SO MUCH SINCE I HAVE BEEN FOLLOWING U

[@PropheticCoachTheresa]

Love Dr. Lisle's laugh. He's darling. Years ago I heard someone state, in response to the "humans are the only animals that cook their food" argument for raw food eating, "We are also the only animals that write treatises and build suspension bridges." Hilarious. God created all creatures as they are, today. Evolution is a myth. God created us how we are. In the Garden of Eden we were vegan, and likely fruit and veg eaters, one day we will be again. Shalom!

[@themountainsandthesea4121]

Great comment!🕊 I agree with everything you wrote here- which is a rarity for me (to agree with another's whole comment😊).

[@TeffieTrahan]

Oh my goodness! He cracks me up and warms my heart! I am not exaggerating when I say you, Chef AJ and Dr. Lisle have save my sanity! After 45 years of dieting, restricting and obsessing, I feel free for the first time in many years. I watched enough videos of your approach until it finally sunk in. Then I began eating starch. I finally feel satisfied, energetic and happy!! I threw away my scale and began eating until satiety! I let go and trusted you two! Thank you thank you thank you!!!❤❤❤

[@CHEFAJ]

That is amazing--thanks for sharing this! :)

[@tofutuesday]

I seriously cannot get enough Dr Lisle!

[@samjones7038]

Thank you so much for this, very,very interesting. Dr Lisle is wonderful as always and Chef AJ is an angel providing this service. Thank you both xx

[@CHEFAJ]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@joannef3682]

Thanks Chef AJ, it was great hearing Dr. Lisle answer the question you presented. I need to hear it again to process all of what he explained. Love it!

[@vc6601]

Dr Lisle. I think you have great understanding about many things and I get much from your conversations; thank you for doing them. Our brain is most extraordinary - so amazingly complex that we have hardly begun to understand it. We can’t possibly replicate it, let alone build one. So how then could we have designed and built a brain so many years ago with little of the technology we have today, and this before we had a brain capable of higher thinking?

[@user-gb4dp1em6b]

Bravo!!!! Thank you!

[@shess1640]

Dr Lisle looks so nice in that blue shirt. Definitely his color and a good fit. Perfectly flatters his beautiful mind.

[@swimm3r137]

Thank you for doing this 🙏. Can you orchestrate a LIVE debate between Dr. Lisle and Dr Graham, and can YOU mitigate on different controversies and topics ?

[@GaryHighFruit]

I bet he can't make that happen. Just like why trump doesn't wanna debate, Lisle would be shown up as a fool

[@jodifinkel9253]

Never heard anyone more brilliant than Dr. Lisle

[@beingpatient]

Thank you so very much Chef AJ, yet again Dr. Doug Lisle gives an EXCELLENT answer.!

[@betzib8021]

Let's do the randomized study regarding raw food.

[@shaunatatum6978]

I so love and appreciate you both Chef AJ and Dr. Lisle!🙏😘

[@stephko8312]

He is such a great researcher!!! Thanks

[@shaunat545]

Dr. Lisle is so amazing! Thank you AJ for all you do!🙏🥰

[@CHEFAJ]

Our pleasure!

[@daviddrost7963]

As the Wimbledon Umpire would say, "Advantage Dr. Lisle". Well done. Doug artfully recommends taking advice from the plant based Dr's we all know and love who wear a stethoscope. Loved Doug's opening salvo: "Is Dr. Graham a doctor"? I'll take the advice of Dr. Essel over someone selling $5,000 fasting retreats.

[@mikefixac]

Too bad with the Internet it is so easy to dishonor a man with such a pithy statement

[@Teenitesy]

David Drost, 😎👍🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[@juliashearer7842]

I live in the UK and, as far as I am aware, chiropractors cannot be called drs unlike in the US. Isn't Dr Goldhammer also a chiropractor? Dr Rick Dina too?

[@daviddrost7963]

@@mikefixac Agree. The Internet is not the ideal forum for an honorable debate.

[@daviddrost7963]

@rawbirbella justthat No sir. I fault Doug Graham for promoting guys like Tim Trader as Dr. Trader when he doesn't even have a PHD, and Maryland fined Mr. Trader for practicing medicine without a license after a 22 year old type 1 diabetic died during one of his water fasts (he took her off insulin!), according to the National Council on Health Fraud, but, what do they know. All the girl's family knows is she is dead.

[@lisabigam7734]

That is my favorite top that you wear...you look especially beautiful in it❤️thank you for being you AJ and thank you Dr. Doug..you are both awesome people🤙

[@CHEFAJ]

Thank you so much!

[@thelovechika6783]

Wow this was so amazing - ty so much for. This - i agree with you chef aj this is a very confusing yet vastly interesting topic but dr. lisle really helped clarify a lot in this interview

[@blee309]

Thank you Dr. Lisle such a great evaluation of the diets! I know this is an old video but you were very precise in explaining the reasons against the all raw food diet!

[@harakeke11]

Wow, now this is some awesome information! Thank you both.

[@CHEFAJ]

Glad it was helpful!

[@gloria6396]

FINALLY THANKS THIS IS SO CLEAR AND REAL

[@maryg3143]

I love Dr. Lisle! Please ask him back soon, Chef AJ.

[@CHEFAJ]

He is on my show at least once a month

[@robyniaea5172]

Dr. Lisle is my hero! 😍

[@amintacarrillo7]

Wowwww so much knowledge that cuts through the heart! Can't wait til next time 😌

[@caseyj1144]

I clicked on this bc the thumbnail says 8-22-2021…. Today is 8-10-2021 and I like time traveling

[@karadevereux1049]

Excellent, thank you.

[@kymmulvey]

After reading both Dr’s books I always felt a little torn. This was exactly what I needed to hear, coincidentally I was only looking for more information last night. Brilliant interview, thanks again for delivering what we need to know!

[@CHEFAJ]

You're so welcome!

[@lisengel2498]

Quite balanced and logic perspectives and arguments somehow concludong that we can follow somehing like a personal and environmemtal ( climate, cultural, and social, and health perspectives) mixture inspired e,g, from McDogall, Esselsten, Ornish and Barnard approaches and of course continue to be curious and open to new knowledge from modern science - Eat raw and cooked organic vegetable foods - probably better off with more raw but not only, whole starch as a basic and maybe a 10% animal foods 🍀💚

[@wellnessgirl2806]

This is an interesting coda to a week of raw food. Here's your excuse if you're not ready to challenge cooked food addiction. True the science on raw is not there yet but the glowing testimonials of the raw chefs should speak for themselves. This is a pionneering approach to health that sits where veganism languished for many decades - dismissed as kooks and quacks. Raw food is the future of food for true health - some will get it, some won't. I would advocate getting a good fruit based low fat meal plan for 1- 3 days and as Dr Lisle would say - run an experiment. The cooked food will be there at the end. It took me 2 years to transition from wfpb so please don't set up an ego trap for yourself, and start one meal at a time.

[@starcatcher3691]

I love raw food and ear a lot of it but when I did all raw, I got cold, pallor, low energy, weak digestion, lost hair. Then I realized my diet was too cold and wet. Started having cooked warming soups, roots, and ate more beans and my color,, energy and health came back. Please do not be so arrogant to say raw food diets are the healthiest. They are not. They are especially not supportive on cold climates! It is totally unnecessary and impractical to eat raw food all of the time. God gave us wonderful starches and beans. They were meant to be eaten

[@GaryHighFruit]

@@starcatcher3691 Sounds like not enough calories. And what is "weak digestion"? PS: Beans are the seed of the plant. So they were meant to be a new plant; not to be eaten.

[@GaryHighFruit]

@@starcatcher3691 I once did 100% fruit in winter, and was surprise I was never cold. Calories.

[@fracritel]

Fascinating well explained makes a lot of sense and we do have a lot of questions that are still on answered that people try to definitively say this is the way and I don’t think anybody knows at this point

[@chelsea911]

What do the plant based Doctors think of someone like Freelee the Banana Girl's raw till four diet plan? Basically you eat fresh fruits for breakfast and lunch and eat a McDougall starch based dinner. Is it healthier to get in more fruit? More raw? Not nuts/fats at all. Is it a bit like Kempner's fruit and rice diet? Fruit and starch a good combo? Or is it better to eat starch every meal?

[@trishfriesen8943]

Another great interview!!! Thanks for these.

[@stephko8312]

Dr lisle is so classy and professional, great analysis as well. Glad that you invited him to speak on this topic. Thanks again Chef AJ . U r the best.

[@helfyre6115]

if humans have an abundant source of fruit close by, they are going to eat these over expending energy going hunting or digging up tubers or process grains. fruit will always be the first choice if available.

[@antoniocardona1965]

Brilliant!! Thanks so much

[@user-ru8wg9di1l]

Dr. Lisle is a genius

[@tomastomauskas3124]

WOW, this is the best answer i have ever heard!! 👍👏👏🌹

[@FirebreathingVegan1]

Why do we go so far as thousands of years ago when we could look at what we were eating within the last 100 years and not dying as often of heart disease and diabetes?

[@jgrysiak6566]

Because they didn't eat as often. In today's society people are eating & snacking 6-10 times a day!

[@michellegrantvaughn1561]

He’s so great

[@qualqui]

Thanks!

[@CHEFAJ]

Thank YOU!

[@lovepudding56]

No fruit in Norway???!!!

[@jennyjames7943]

I absolutely loved this session with Dr. Lisle as it is exactly where I stand on what should humans eat and what did humns eat through evolution etc. My answers are the same as Dr. Lisle ie we are still discovering what the best diet is in general terms and need more research and humans at many times have eaten whatever they could get their hands on and eat to survive!

[@meaganethier]

Love your top!

[@VeganMatrix]

🙏

[@dawitmengistu3581]

From an Evolutionist perspective. One sided i think. We've no proofs to call this a true Science. I think he went wrong on many points. Please invite Prof. Walter Veith and let us hear his thoughts. Thanks any way

[@time4sanity]

Religious indoctrination has no place in scientific discussion.

[@fruitforthought327]

Has Doug Lisle ever eaten an exclusively raw vegan diet? If not, then he is in no position to make a case against it, also anybody who has done a fruit-based raw vegan diet for an extended period of time would know through personal experience, without any hesitation/reservations/apprehensions, that a raw fruit-based diet is indeed a human specie specific diet. It is sad to see that we would go to any length just so that we can protect our addictions. Cooked food is indeed an addiction and we as a species can not stop eating it only because it is very addictive in nature. Survival is not the same as thriving. Survival foods aka cooked food will just do that i.e. ensure survival, can we fully thrive while eating a cooked food/survival diet, I suppose not. There is a whole different level of existence we as a species are not experiencing,thanks to our addiction to the cooked food diet Chef AJ - there is no fact like a fact learned from your own personal experience, if you really want to find out which diet is the best for humans, please do give a raw fruit-based diet a go, for at least a few months, especially after cleaning your small and large intestines thoroughly by doing an extended juice feast or a water fast.

[@johnandersen6752]

Exactly. Also, why wouldn't he try it at least for his own body if he is so curious? Screw someone else's studies, life is way too short to wait to feel great.

[@sparky9839]

I think that there is one flaw in the argument from epidemiology and anthropology. These studies look at behaviours of societies and populations, which is useful. They don’t necessarily tell us what is optimal, just what was possible historically.

[@tracysmith245]

can you share this on facebook?

[@mojavebohemian814]

Climate determined the availability, proportion, and availability of food sources and types.

[@RegitzesCatHome]

He totally inventing evolution to fit his own views 😳😳😳 He's saying so many wrong made up things about our evolution.

[@sharonknorr1106]

Like what?

[@RegitzeSimonsen]

Yes absolutely 👍

[@daviddrost7963]

I haven't viewed this yet, but, you might want to delete the second "IS" in your video title.

[@UncleJ2058]

I have heard Dr. Lisle say it is hard to eat enough on a raw diet. Hasn't he ever heard of: bananas!

[@1c1pal]

You are bananas.

[@UncleJ2058]

@@1c1pal You would call Lucille Ball and Woody Allen bananas too.

[@starcatcher3691]

I love bananas but who wants to eat 10 bananas? And they dont satisfy like cooked starches

[@GaryHighFruit]

@@starcatcher3691Only because your digestive system is used to cooked food.

[@starcatcher3691]

@@GaryHighFruit No do not think that was it. At the time I was eating all raw and eating some raw for years.

[@suzieshermer]

He sure can talk😅

[@damansbedi]

This guy is clueless. First of all, Doug was saying you would have fruit all year round in the tropics where we belong but if you are away from your natural tropical setting then you need to bring in the food if there's a need for it in your area. We are not omnivores. Even if you find small amounts of meat in diets of people from the past, it w never an optimum thing and they had it when they didn't have access to their food unless it was a cultural thing. Early man was a fruit eater, not omnivore and we don't eat like chimps, we eat more like bonobos. This guy is creating a love story with fire like an idiot. Fire destroyed food and created toxins. Acrilemide for starters. Anyone cooking food has done more damage to them than help themselves given real food was available. You can survive off cooked food but you will not thrive.

[@GaryHighFruit]

"This guy is creating a love story with fire like an idiot" I'm glad I stopped when he said he doesn't get sexually aroused by a hairy ape.

[@RegitzesCatHome]

This is totally falsh information 😟 let's hear the truth from someone who's Actually backing it up with research like Dr Michael Greger 👍

[@RegitzeSimonsen]

Yes exactly 👍

[@RegitzesCatHome]

1000 calories for a huge chimpanzee??😖😖😖 It's scary how ignorant this doctor is😳😖

[@RegitzeSimonsen]

This doctor is spreading his own opinions like it's the truth 😖 totally wrong 😖

[@daviddrost7963]

A chimpanzee have a low metabolic rate. Why human's burn calories 27% faster than apes.

[@daviddrost7963]

Huge? Chimps weigh 32-70 kg (70-130 lbs). A 100 lb/45 kg human needs 1,300 calories. An ape of the same weight only needs 1,000 calories due to their lower metabolic rate. Check the mirror for the definition of ignorance.

[@rossafit]

40:12. Completely negates this whole entire video and every aspect of his arguments. 🤦‍♂️

[@johnandersen6752]

Underrated observation!!!

[@RegitzesCatHome]

Aj I'm sure you are also crumming your toes during this painfully ignorant doctors preachings 😖