What is the BEST DIY NAS Operating System?

[@Collectible_Andy]

New Ugreen 6-bay NAS user here with TrueNAS Scale OS installed. It’s been a wonderful experience so far!

[@EricE168]

Chinese company, pass

[@Jessehermansonphotography]

Why not just build your own?

[@thanos1000000fc]

@@EricE168 Oh please! Like the other ones won't spy on you.

[@Psoewish]

This is the exact setup I'm looking to invest in so it's great to see you're having a good experience with it!

[@LabMonkey-k2j]

@@EricE168 did you type this from an iPhone ?! LMFAO

[@burkec33]

Great, straighforward descriptions of file structures and RAID/backup protocols. Thanks.

[@demorez5]

i am a long time OpenMediaVault user, while is certainly has its drawbacks, I really like its flexibility. Gave TrueNAS several tries, but I dont like it forcing me to use exclusively the UI and making me feel wrong everytime I try to do stuff via the shell (and probably breaking all those stuff I did from shell with the next bigger update). TrueNAS is definitely an excellent "bare" NAS, but with it I would need to run most of my apps from a separate VM for better manageability. Thus I prefer a "simpler" NAS in form of OMV where I can do everything on the OS level

[@-Spasser-]

But every update since omv 4,5 Makes it suck more an more 🙂

[@eliasalcazar6554]

I'm using "Raid 10" in my TN Scale machine with 4 16TB drives and I'm more than happy. I can saturate my 2.5Gb connection and sometimes I'm even bottlenecked by it. It is also a nearly silent machine. I perused multiple forums and watched countless videos and they ultimately led me to purchase 2 WD RED PRO 16TB drives, and then I added in 2 Manufacture recertified WD ULTRASTAR 16TB drives. With all 4 drives spinning all I can hear are the case fans unless I put my ear against the case.

[@NewoneFPV]

What hw do you have? Motherboard, cpu etc just curius ☺️

[@eliasalcazar6554]

@@NewoneFPV happy to share! My hw has changed since that post but I was using a Xeon E5 2699 v3 with 128GB of ECC RAM. I also had a 2.5Gb PCIe NIC and a combination of WD ULTRASTAR and WD RED drives. I've since moved on to UNRAID, but my experience with TrueNAS was all positive :)

[@NewoneFPV]

@@eliasalcazar6554 thank you very much your configuration is a beast ;-)

[@Sapious1]

I know I'll get blasted for writing this, but I'm still a fan boy of BTRFS, and I like that I can mix drives easily, with snapshot support.

[@BenState]

ZFS supports snapshots.

[@Sapious1]

@@BenState I know, I said "mix drives easily with snapshot support" ;-)

[@ericandrews4861]

You can use individually zfs formatted disks in an UNRAID array. And you can add individual drives to the array anytime you want.

[@CoreyPL]

iX System indirectly showed, that it will migrate to develop Scale in the next years, while leaving Core more of a legacy stable system. Latest Core update versus what is planned for the 24.10 update for Scale showed that rather well. Furthermore Scale is more preferable when dealing with a NAS built from a mix of different classes of hardware. Linux kernel just handles it a lot better. So if you plan to deploy TrueNAS, go with Scale.

[@LinuxMaster9]

actually, As long as you setup ZFS using the UUID or Serial of the drive instead of the /dev/ location, you can put the drives back in any order and be rockin and rollin. Drive order only matters if you use /dev/sda /dev/sdb etc.

[@JoshuaYoungsma]

I used OMV for a few years and it does have a learning curve but is quite stable and works very well with docker. Linking to folders is a PIA. I switched to truenas scale last year and while initial network setup was funky it is much easier to set up containers/apps. I never tried unraid because they charge money for a license.

[@nadtz]

There is one more option to 'expanding' a zfs pool, though it can be painful. You can swap drives one at a time and rebuild until all drives are replaced and expand to use the resulting new space. To do this in one shot you would still need all the drives up front so the cost part is still the same. Solid overview even though I'm biased towards TrueNAS Core. I only use my NAS for storage (have a proxmox server for the rest) so I'll stay on core as long as it's supported.

[@philippemiller4740]

Soon to need updating concerning raidz expansion coming to electric eel. Also Memory bit flip doesn't automatically result in error on disks as there also is a checksum of the file being verified before writing to disk if I remember correctly.

[@Tomeo2134]

Yeah, the RaidZ expansion is a hot topic, no idea how it wasn't even researched or covered in the video.

[@WunderTechTutorials]

@Tomeo2134 I covered RAID Z expansion in the video.

[@philippemiller4740]

@@Tomeo2134 Maybe because it's been in the works for many years.

[@scottmuckleroy2195]

The UnRAID "Array" isn't required anymore (v7 beta4) so you can just create native zfs pools.

[@aaronbenson982]

I'll stick with Proxmox cluster and Adaptec BBU RAID controllers running various VMs, including OMV for my file shares (XFS all day long on WD Gold 16TB RAID 1 sets for storage, power protected M.2 drives for VM OS's) and Docker Plex etc. All in a Thermaltake W200 chassis and an Intel NUC for a witness to the 2 node cluster. No offence to current day software RAID, but having been exposed to NT 4.0 software RAID because of a cheap accountant in the business, I've never trusted software and RAID in the same sentence since.

[@penguinjoe1961]

TrueNAS electric eel (currently 24.10 RC-2) release has now single drive Raidz expansion capabilities.

[@leeblack2103]

I love TrueNas! Just remember to build a pool comprised of SSD drives for your applications or you will run into many problems 😢

[@user-kg6uj6ji5p]

I use unraid, easy to install apps and they have virtual dsm run on docker

[@coolcat23]

Thanks, super helpful. I think many would be interested to learn what OS is/will be the best for the recently launched UGREEN NASs. Given the options you have covered, there does not seem to be a good way of running a BTRFS file system on a UGREEN NAS (i.e., one that is more performant than UNRAID and supports snapshots and/or dynamically adding drives). OpenMediaVault supports BTRFS but only through the CLI, which isn't ideal, is it? Perhaps UGREEN's own software will improve to a point where there is no need to look for alternatives.

[@BerNieSLU]

I'm running unRAID on an older Dell Optiplex with 5 drives, I'm seriously considering UGREEN's 6-drive unit with unRAID as my OS

[@WunderTechTutorials]

It is a challenge if you want to run Btrfs, but if you can fill it all at once, it's hard to dismiss TrueNAS. That's assuming that you don't want to slowly increase the storage, because if you do, you're either limited to Unraid's performance, or the limitations of OMV.

[@musicman0024]

Since I'm new to NAS. I'll just stick with the Ugreen 6800 6 bay I just got. Will cut me teeth on their OS this year. WIll start with smaller drives to beta with so I don't put all 54TB of my eggs in one basket so to speak.

[@bufordmaddogtannen]

I'd throw Rockstor into the mix, as it handles a few things better than OMV.

[@dab42bridges80]

Nice summary, thanks.

[@gh8447]

4:39 TrueNAS is not a memory-hungry (RAM) file system. TrueNAS isn't even the file system, it's the operating system; ZFS is the file system, and it will use as much of the RAM as it can as ARC. ARC speeds up the system overall by caching frequently used files in RAM rather than having to pull the files off the much slower disks. In terms of the quantity of RAM, you can install as much as the m/board will take and ZFS will use it all (eventually), but that doesn't mean it's useful. I have two TN Core NASs, both with Supermicro X11SSM-F m/boards and Core i3-7100T CPUs. The primary NAS (which also runs a Windows 10 VM as an SMB 1 media share (thanks, Sonos!)) has 32GB of RAM and the backup NAS has 16GB or RAM. In both cases, the amount of RAM is overkill.

[@WunderTechTutorials]

I don't think I said that TrueNAS is a filesystem, but if I did, it was definitely a mistake as I discussed ZFS a decent amount in the video, so my apologies. Surprised to hear you haven't seen memory issues with

[@peteratkin3788]

I use 512GB ECC on Truenas scale, and it's needed as I'm using 8TB NVME U.2 Drives, still getting used to it, a real bummer not being able to upgrade the raid without first backing up the data, then recreating raid from scratch and restoring the data, I'm liking the sound of unraid.

[@BenState]

that issue is changing in the 24.10

[@AN-ir6sr]

OMV can also have similar features and flexibility as unRAID in terms of array / pooling and mixed drives by leveraging the mergerfs (pooling) and snapraid (snapshots / parity for redundancy) plugin combo. Also pretty easy to set up and free.

[@bufordmaddogtannen]

According to the forums, when a disk fails you need to undo all the configuration involving that drive step by step, replace the drive, redo the configuration. Unraid would just tell you to put a new disk in and would still allow you to access the data on the missing disk, by leveraging the parity disk on the fly.

[@steffengerlach8395]

Great breakdown of these OS possibilities. Thank you! I have an Unraid license, I am fiddling around with TruNAS core and scale and even Proxmox. Keeping my data "originals" on large HDDs on my several PCs I am still looking for the ideal OS for my usecase (centralized storage pool, Nextcloud, pfsense). I saw videos about using Proxmox and installing TrueNAS as VM (or even OMV) there. Wish you had included Proxmox to your breakdown. I may be going with TrueNAS on my main storage server (DIY with 8 hot swap 3,5 HDD bays, 6x hot swap 2,5 bays, 2x Nvme slots + 2x 2,5 SSD slots possible, 10Gb NIC, 128GB ECC RAM, Ryzen AM5 platform). Maybe I wil just add a low power Dell Mini PC with Proxmox for VMs/containers and all that and just leave the main "NAS" simply as a stable bare metal TrueNAS core system. 😇 Still not sure.

[@MrTR909]

I think I need to say some words in favor for omv. OMV can do everything that Truenas Scale can do, zfs, virtualisation, kubernetics, etc. in fact omv is based on Debian, the same Debian Proxmox is running on, you can even install the proxmox kernel. ZFS is supported as in every other Linux distro too. you just need to install it. Truenas scale, at least the former version was FSD, now they running Truenas on Debian too. The same Debian, OMV and Proxmox is running, with the same zfs. Not everythign is perfect, the GUI is outdated, the workflow klonky. The point I wanna make is that most KZbinrs see the little nas running on Raspberries, which is not true, and for the so called "serious" stuff the alway talk of Truenas and Unraid. Which has to do because, both has more commerical support, Unraid is a commercial closed sourced product and Truenas is backed up from the cooperate devision. You one of view taking omv into consideration but downplay with the same rational is more for Raspberries....other than that create video...sorry for typos my keyboard is playing with me today.

[@WunderTechTutorials]

I think OMV is a good solution - my issue with it mainly comes down to a lot of tinkering for certain functionality...namely with OMV-Extras. I don't think it's the end of the world to have to install it, but it's basically a required install at this point...especially if you want to use ZFS, so ZFS is in fact supported, but it's not official support like with TrueNAS/Unraid.

[@kecske_gaming]

I thought truenas supported docker, because the apps looked like docker apps, i was planning to install truenas but im going to install unraid instead and just throw in a 240gig nvme as cache, i really need the docker support

[@ckckck12]

It does

[@WunderTechTutorials]

It did, and will (24.10), but doesn't currently right now. However, 24.10 is looking like a HUGE update with RAID Z expansion and Docker/Docker Compose support, so it's coming...hopefully soon.

[@pprocacci]

Best is completely subjective. Different strokes for different folks. I personally have and always will just use FreeBSD.

[@Ebisu13o]

I have old TV Set top box. I installed Armbian on it and put CasaOS inside. It works best for budget NAS

[@kevinhughes9801]

Brill overview thanks for vid

[@alphaomega5017]

Please do a video on DIY NAS

[@_Jem_]

If only there was software as simple as synology, if there was I would be happy in building my own.

[@realmadera]

With your logic because we can run OMV on pretty much anything makes it inferior. I am current running OMV on an HP server I have been a user for many years and tried Unraid, Proxmox, and TrueNAS. Please explain to me what makes OMV a product for beginner and what makes TrueNAS better.

[@WunderTechTutorials]

I said it the very beginning of the video that there isn't a best OS for everyone, so if OMV is best for you, that's great. If you're asking for my opinion on why I think TrueNAS is better than OMV, it's because it's a more polished OS. OMV is great for beginners because the functionality is extremely basic when you first start using it and it works on a very wide range of hardware. Then you start trying to do anything more advanced and have to install OMV-Extras, which isn't even officially supported. TrueNAS uses ZFS, which is a better filesystem than Btrfs, and even though OMV technically supports it, again, it's not official support. Quite honestly, I personally wouldn't install OMV over TrueNAS outside of hardware restrictions, but again, this is all just my opinion.

[@realmadera]

@@WunderTechTutorials I personally don't think OMV is easier for beginner. When I ran TrueNas I don't recall ever using a terminal it was all click click click. Try swapping out a bad drive from a raid array. TrueNas click click click OMV Putty sudo mdadm.

[@WunderTechTutorials]

@@realmadera I mentioned that in the video - some things in OMV are super easy. Some are super complicated for no reason. The issue with TrueNAS for beginners, IMO, is that they simply don't understand how it all works before implementing it and end up trapped later on in terms of ZFS expansion or something similar, though a lot of those issues will be fixed in the next version of TrueNAS Scale.

[@bufordmaddogtannen]

The fact OMV needs a plugin to enable encryption with a cumbersome setup process, with the cherry on top that the plugin expects you to unlock each drive manually (unless you open a terminal and implement a crude workaround) is a bit off putting. Other flows force you to jump through hoops, because the GUI is just not there in terms of functionality. On the other hand, OMV is the only NAS OS that allows you to use USB disks, so it's the de facto choice for anyone wasting money on SBCs.

[@RockTheCage55]

Excellent Summary thanks. I still really enjoy my synology but i'm getting a server & probably will virtualize unraid. In the end i want a great place to backup my synology without having to spend a gob of money on cloud backups. I don't want to have to buy another synology just for backups.

[@RoloSolis81]

How about CasaOS?

[@xCyAx]

I'm a beginner and i bought a GMK G3 mini pc and i'll be getting some DAS later, i want to try that TrueNAS you are talking about but i'm reading that CORE will no longer be updated. Should i go with SCALE?

[@WunderTechTutorials]

Core won't get new features so you should start with Scale, but Core will most likely be supported for a long time.

[@xCyAx]

@@WunderTechTutorials Thanks! I will try Scale then.

[@try-that]

I'm sticking with OMV, when I first looked for NAS software, Truenas scale wasn't available and Unraid wasn't free, but it wasn't as expensive as now. At the moment I run mostly docker and I think at this time, it's easier to use docker on OMV than scale, yes I know scale is changing later, so we'll see. Everyone complains about the plugins, but it means you just add what you want. Also the forums are pretty good as well. Plus my system is a JBOD system. Finally for me, scale looks a lot harder to get going for a simple home based user. Good video by the way.

[@benidiktuskurniawan9986]

i observe many DIY NAS Solution and end up wtih Synology NAS. as my requirement to replace icloud, so i need native apps that work like icloud photos and icloud drive. Not only SMB or NFS solution. I try combine with open source solution apps like Nextcloud but still can not replace my usage on icloud Photo apps. also the virtual drive on nextcloud not properly works on Mac OS. Synology come with bundle of apps that nearly like what icloud or google photos offer and also drive that work like one drive. Do you think there is open source apps that have capability on drive sync and photo feature?

[@jhjacobs81]

Alpine Linux. Its a small secure linux distro. I run it with software raid, docker and with kvm for full VM’s. It has a webbased GUI but i never needed it :)

[@iamthemoss]

I personally think ECC memory is overrated. I've seen errors on both non-ECC and ECC not much difference mainly on CAD workstations.

[@KameraShy]

What about XigmaNAS?

[@stultuses]

Exactly. It is still being developed, very light in hardware requirements, uses ZFS and was what FreeNAS was before it turned into TruNAS

[@stevenpaul9307]

after using some kinds of nas os and products, I'm back to debian. yes, just debian is enough for me.

[@jhjacobs81]

I used Debian for everything :) rock solid, and plenty of guides to build a nas with it :) good choice!

[@BerNieSLU]

Thanks for the video, I will stay with unRAID, I was considering TrueNAS Core running on Proxmox, mix drive size using unRAID was the deal breaker for me.

[@BenState]

fixed in Electric Eel (24.10).

[@pr1me_78]

@@BenStateI didn’t see this anywhere on the electric eel release website but I would imagine the expansion would have to be with matching size drives no?

[@stultuses]

No mention of XigmasNAS ? XigmaNAS is still very good and is very lightweight It is the original FreeNAS (from where TruNAS came from) It uses ZFS also

[@baza3a]

Conflicted between TrueNAS and OMV, TrueNAS will give me Docker and VM creation on the expense of expandability of Raid 5... while OMV will give me ease of use and expandability on the expense of Docker and VM creation.... truly a hard choice to make which is making me stay with my Synology although it feel limited in terms of hardware

[@BenState]

RAID5 yuck

[@dtahiti]

OMV allows you to do Docker and compose !

[@BenState]

@@dtahiti so?

[@baza3a]

@@BenState Dunno why you hating on R5 when its actually nice, it give you more storage than R10 + higher speed, although its not as fast as R10 because of checksums bur the difference is unnoticable

[@baza3a]

@@dtahiti From what I Read from OMV 6 native Docker was removed and now you have install Portainer in the OMV-Extra which is a hassle for me, im looking for a solution that gives me the most straightforward step

[@thezfunk]

What about Xpenology?

[@muhammedatasoy7711]

Im pretty sure he said something along the line of nothing unofficial i think

[@WordupG]

I have an Xpenology instance that’s been running perfectly for like 6 years. It’s great for just storage. The problem is people think it’s a direct replacement for Synology DriveStation, and all the included apps and features, but the truth is, it’s not, because any of the Synology cloud features, such as motion notifications from Surveillance Station don’t work.

[@dansanger5340]

My understanding, which could be wrong, is that the reason people recommend ECC for ZFS is because it maintains a huge cache in memory. But, you could reduce the cache to a minimum size to minimize the chances of a bit flip in memory that could potentially get written to the disk. It's unfortunate that ZFS didn't implement optional checksums and redundancy in their cache, which it seems like they could do since they manage their own cache.

[@BenState]

The cache is not the only copy of the information. So that is not why.

[@tangofan4u]

It seems that Synology still offers an unmatched combination of flexibility (SHR+) and data safety (their particular BTRFS implementation together with data checksumming enabled on all shared folders).

[@thezfunk]

Too bad they are pissing people off with the 7.2.2 release.

[@BenState]

Unmatched? TN ZFS does that. And it's free.

[@Dave_CDN_IrishDAB]

@@BenState With Synology you can use mixed size drives as well (unlike TN ZFS). The down side is unless you go the hacked way you have to use their over priced and under powered hardware.

[@BenState]

@@Dave_CDN_IrishDAB That has all been resolved in 24.10.

[@Dave_CDN_IrishDAB]

@@BenState I will need to take a second look at freenas once that happens then

[@mikehaas543]

no mention of ceph?

[@WunderTechTutorials]

Ceph is awesome, just not sure how realistic it is for someone looking to set up an individual NAS.

[@BenState]

FreeBSD doesn't matter? Its being dropped in TN. Hardly nothing. Core is no longer being developed beyond 13.3. Also the expandability of TN Scale is being fixed in 24.10. So, in a matter of weeks this is not an issue either. You can also spin down TN drives.

[@WunderTechTutorials]

When is it being dropped? 13.3 is the last "official" version and Scale is the "recommended" version, but I haven't heard or seen anything implying Core is being dropped anytime soon.

[@BenState]

@@WunderTechTutorials Not dropped, but not further developed. A small difference imho.

[@alphaomega5017]

In India Ugreen NAS not available n Synology is more expensive in India

[@yanuk818]

Docker compose is back in truenas scale electric eel

[@CSIG1001]

UNraid is slow as balls , good for plex and seedboxing , vms etc. for iscsi/smb true nas core or scale.

[@anwar.shamim]

perfect say

[@Gottfried.Leibniz]

XigmaNAS (a.k.a. NAS4Free - the OG FreeNAS)

[@Solosmooth]

Synology should license out their OS.

[@aznhomig]

They won't. Then nobody will have a reason to buy their overpriced and underpowered hardware. Synology keeping a strict walled garden is fundamental to their business strategy.

[@iamthemoss]

@@aznhomig Just like Apple

[@CedroCron]

Great video Frank, Something that makes is easier to explain to family, friends etc. and why they might want to go Synology instead for a lot of their use cases. Thanks!

[@carbharharbcar5867]

your mic is peaking constantly

[@mridulranjan1069]

This is not a Video. Its an Audiobook!

[@Iv987654321]

Pure Debian is the best!

[@TechMeOut5]

For me...if not Synology DSM...i would go with truenas. Eventhough in terms of ease of use...they still have a lot to improve

[@WunderTechTutorials]

I'm in the same boat!

[@doctorkj5640]

After all this I’m really glad I decided to stick with Synology. You set it up once put the drives in (and 10gbe adapter) and forget about it. Synology should really rebrand DSM to something like InvisibleNAS 🙂

[@BoraHorzaGobuchul]

Same can be done with a diy nas as well

[@Tomeo2134]

Any DIY NAS works the same. You set it up and forget it. I set my Truenas Scale to host drives, plex, immich, 3 VMs and a bunch of other stuff that you wouldn't be able to do on Synology (Due to hardware performance.) While sure, Synology is good for less tech oriented people, you pay a premium for that.

[@doctorkj5640]

@@Tomeo2134 You assumed wrong. I’m quite tech savvy (VFX industry) but use it elsewhere. My only need for NAS is plug and play SOHO file server and backup. No need for VMs or Plex. And there are quite a few things DSM does better… Proper file sytem (it’s mind boggling why TS doesn’t have that) better snapshots(even admin cannot delete snapshot until immutability period expires) , SHR is better when adding and mix matching drives, windows backup for business, commercial support instead of community based support, system wide search, Synology surveillance works great, some really great first party apps like Active Backup, Hyper backup….. TrueNas and DSM are in totally different categories and for different use cases. Very few people outside enterprise will have need for 200+ TB of storage and gazzilions of options. Also it is very questionable how truenas is cheaper with so much more power hungry zfs. And Synology implementation of BTRFS is quite good actually. I’m using Syno since 2009 and never had any issues with the boxes (aside from the fact a few HDDs died since then).

[@ДжониКейжд-э2б]

Synology DSM is better than others because he's interface is user-friendly ! You can use DSM unoficialy ;) I have a setup with raid 5 with 20TB on a old computer with powerfull cpu, and it's work well.He can do anything of you need and more.

[@BoraHorzaGobuchul]

Using a hacked nas os for your data? Sounds good!

[@4eyesleo]

@@BoraHorzaGobuchul What can go wrong, right? 😃

[@towatai]

@@BoraHorzaGobuchul Its the Loader, NOT the OS itself!

[@BoraHorzaGobuchul]

@@towatai I'm not an os writer, but something tells me that an os fine-tuned to specific hardware may be not quite so dependable on different hw. Also, I suspect using xpenology would make you wait for updates longer, don't know if it is so, but it's usually the case with "jailbroken" oses, since updates may not work with the hacks that makes previous versions run. Furthermore, I just don't see much benefit in running dsm per se - you could get all the functionality running other oses, dsm is valuable in conjunction with the hardware that makes the whole system work out of the box. And frankly, it sucks more and more. The apps are nothing to write home about, some of if them are unreliable (like syno drive, at least the win client), some are in a dire need of a refresh like ds audio, some are being de facto deprecated like ds video, some are slow like hyper backup, some are not very usable and are basically abandonware like ds notes...

[@kborak]

I swear I dont get you guys and the NAS thing. Its like you guys dont know how to set up a network share on a server.

[@avfc1985]

Would all depend on the use. I suspect a normal home user won't have a server. Connecting a small 4 bay NAS to your router seems less effort for most I would imagine.

[@IOSARBX]

WunderTech, can we collab

[@ghgfcuqqw]

Windows storage pool

[@jujjuj7676]

Unraid blows...

[@doctorno3912]

Ubiquiti need to drop a nas

[@muhammedatasoy7711]

Yeah imagine the price

[@doctorno3912]

@muhammedatasoy7711 never underestimate a man's completionist level and OCD tendencies.

[@pauldunecat]

Yeah imagine the software instability.

[@muhammedatasoy7711]

@@pauldunecat ima need the details how u went to this thought

[@pauldunecat]

@@muhammedatasoy7711 any Ubiquity product for the last 20 years has amazingly unstable software. Or they get abandoned like the Edgemax platforms. Or UniFi anything. So it's no great leap.

[@RogierYou]

I am sticking to Synology

[@deweyschmidt824]

That's not a DIY NAS OS

[@patrickwasp]

It can be but you have to run a custom bootloader and it’s not supported by synology

[@BoraHorzaGobuchul]

The way things are going, good luck with that

[@StephenWestrip]

Underpowered and overpriced

[@musicman0024]

I like what I have read about Synology DSM, but I will wait to see what hardware they come out with in 2025/26.