What Is the Closest a Mind Can Get to Reality?

[@cabsrhere8897]

To visualise this: Imagine a large circle (contentless consciousness, only aware of itself) Now imagine a smaller, vibrating circle within the big circle. (This is the activity of consciousness/consciousness vibrating/aka the universe) Now imagine living forms within the smaller circle, but around its circumference. The outer circle (infinite consciousness, can only view its inner vibrating circle from the point of view of these living forms). Each of us is infinite consciousness (the outer circle), experiencing our own activity (the inner circle) through different points of view (the living forms within middle circle). The middle circle is made of, experienced by and contained within the outer circle. I.e. the dream is made out of the dreamer’s mind, the movie is made out of the screen etc

[@woodspriteful]

I feel like the inquirer is reducing her own creation to the mental realm, completely ignoring her heart and how that act expanded beyond time in her heart as an act of connection, as a kind of yoga in her being, and she wants a mental explanation. I imagine living in other times when people did not overanalyze such acts and simply knew for themselves.

[@ihsw8]

@@woodspriteful the lady's mind is seeking interpretation. The teacher is confusing her with more content rather than an explanation/interpretation

[@valuemastery]

Thank you Rupert for sharing this. Trying to understand the nature of reality is what has driven me for decades now. Each such video and explanation from you helps me to make a little step of progress. Though I've come to realize that it's not just about building a concept or mental model of reality, it's also (and probably even more so) about actually experiencing this nature within myself. But coming from a scientific and physical background, there is still this urge to create a model in my mind, and make it fit as closely as possible with reality. So, while I understand the limitations of such models and explanations, they are very welcome!

[@luismoref]

Did you watch his videos with Bernardo Kastrup?

[@valuemastery]

@ Yes, thanks for the pointer. I've seen most of the videos with Bernardo, read all books by Bernardo and by Rupert, and I've been to some of Ruperts retreats. My professional background is, however, classical science and physics including quantum physics and relativity, but I've also studied scripture for several decades now. The more I dive into it, the more it becomes clear to me that religion and science are talking about the same thing, but from completely different perspectives and oftentimes belief systems.

[@hemamalinirs1002]

Beautiful ❤ Thank you so much Rupert 🙏🙏

[@hazelr992]

Yes. Exactly. You just described the indescribable. Reduced it to a dot. Being one half of duality. So accessible to the one who has peered into Eternity. How very poignant! Perfectly beautiful.

[@isabelmorais9430]

My experience of reality is NOW

[@grindPracticeBLESSED]

Reality only lives in the present moment. To broaden your reality, meditate. Everything else that’s happening in the world ( to your reality) doesn’t matter

[@shridharaithal1433]

Even music is trying to either create an emotion or memory of a vast sky, or birds flying or a vast ocean, or of gentle reins and so on, which are all in the frame of space and time. Only the experience of deep sleep where there is neither space or time is the only window to the reality of you and every thing else! There is nothing else!

[@LivingKingKai]

Thank you Rupert for bringing back the wisdom and share with us in words so perfectly despite its limitation

[@nocosa]

Reality>universe>finite mind. 😊

[@ihsw8]

@nocosa if it was "infinite reality", we might approach it. All these finites and definitions... well it's a tennis match, with walls around the court. No answer to the lady's Question. But everyone sits and shallows like wide mouthed baby birds

[@thomasbrouwer2771]

The last 2 or 3 minutes is where all the insight is

[@kiwimike1405]

True. To one in “it”, there is no universe: no objects, no anything except pure consciousness within the infinity that is seen and which has no “here” or there. There is no universe in this infinite space, nor time nor our idea of space. Just potentiality that expresses as intelligence or knowing. To one not in “it”, there is a universe with planets and stars. These are all an illusionary (but beautiful) creation of the manas (dualistic) mind.

[@Tejas.Patil888]

Rupert's discussions on consciousness and awareness often seem to conflate the reflection of awareness with awareness itself. Simply recognizing 'I am aware' doesn't necessarily mean that this awareness is the ultimate reality. What happens to this awareness in deep sleep or under anesthesia? Does it disappear or remain? If it disappears, can we truly say it's the fundamental essence of our being? Rupert's teachings, although insightful, might be misleading people into mistaking the reflection of awareness for the ultimate truth. Would love to hear more nuanced discussions on this topic.

[@Rakes2911]

Rupert often addresses just these enquiries. His answers might nourish your own contemplations.

[@JamesDidato]

He often says that we have never actually had the "Experience" of deep sleep or anesthesia. Since there is no such thing as time he may be correct on this view. Deep Sleep is just the pure Awareness of Being without the "Content of Experience". When thoughts and images are added, we call it dreaming. When sensations and perceptions are added we call it waking state. Whether agree with this word salad or not (I don't know if I actually deem this to be a good argument), doesn't really matter. If you search "Near Death Experiences" and watch about 100 videos on the matter including Bruce Greyson's work from U. of Virginia (he's been studying it for 40 years), along with Sam Parnia's work, I think you would come to the conclusion that Awareness (Consciousness) is indeed primarily what/who we ARE, and Thoughts, Feelings, Sensations and Perceptions do always 'come and go', and therefore, are not essential to who we are. Maybe we aren't Aware during deep sleep or anesthesia but we aren't inconvenienced at all so it may not really matter...it seems to be temporary nevertheless.

[@AidenSuttm]

Good insight

[@bonganihlophe6771]

Wow, thousands and thousands of teachings elegantly condensed into a 15 min conversation. Thank you.

[@cliffordjohnson943]

Reality is within your consciousness.

[@cliffordjohnson943]

@ you ever experienced a kundalini awakening? If so you know even separation is an illusion of your consciousness to have a physical experience.

[@estherg.s.5650]

I don't understand. Totally lost in the question and answer.

[@mikei5550]

She wants to know if the bag exists after she gave it away. The answer is only in time and space.

[@cabsrhere8897]

The bag continues to exist, however without being observed by an observer, it isn’t a bag, it is simply a vibration of consciousness. When that vibration of consciousness is again observed, it appears as a bag

[@cabsrhere8897]

Imagine a large circle (contentless consciousness, only aware of itself) Now imagine a smaller, vibrating circle within the big circle. (This is the activity of consciousness/consciousness vibrating/aka the universe) Now imagine living forms within the smaller circle, but around its circumference. The outer circle (infinite consciousness, can only view its inner vibrating circle from the point of view of these living forms). Each of us is infinite consciousness (the outer circle), experiencing our own activity (the inner circle) through different points of view (the living forms within middle circle). Hope this helps

[@jamessherburn]

I want one of those Audio engineer shirts.

[@widipermono854]

🙏🙏🙏

[@jimkovacs7]

zap. period. thanks.

[@CaptPeterpencerahan]

Who are you? You are thoughts, than how thought go beyond thought?

[@annemurphy8074]

We are not thoughts.

[@pamelahall7614]

I recently have become aware of Rupert and have listened to hundreds of his videos. All was going well until recently... IF Mind/ego is the problem and in sleep Awareness is alive and unconfused...why not destroy the Mind in suicide to return to Awareness in its original form?

[@kudakwashekapande6035]

From my understanding I don't think one can be able to destroy the ego... for the ego is just as a mirage, it's a bundle of thoughts ,feelings, emotions and sensations. It is not an entity... In scripture it is but the Imagination (the power and wisdom of God) that which creates. rather had to be personalized in the Bible as Jesus

[@IndiFer-r8q]

Mind cannot be destroyed by suicide, he is preaching Buddhism in essence.

[@curtisgrindahl446]

At the still point in the turning world... there the dance is...

[@ihsw8]

@curtisgrindahl446 "still point"..."dance". Motionless dance 💃 😄 🤣

[@Flap_a_jacka]

The closest you can get to reality is surely to dream Rupert.. The answer to your question is to sleep and to dream..

[@Hereness]

Who is we? It has to be the mind that goes beyond its limitations. The one that sees beyond mind is mind. The idea is to remove limitations and limitless, these are ideas that the mind gives itself to survive its temporary states of limited and limitless. Reality simply IS. Be IT as it is, mind wants to see it as it is. The whole problem is the dependence on I the temporary seer. See through I then Drop I. What who can do IT ? : ) The unanswerable open question is reality.

[@MannyMonarch216]

Imagination is real.🎉

[@josefeijoo7415]

Imaginarse ALGO es Ver lo que es REAL traerlo,fabricarlo,crearlo en este LADO en este mundo MATERIAL, así es como yo lo entiendo; gracias RUPERT y gracias a la persona que hizo la pregunta;!!!

[@MannyMonarch216]

@josefeijoo7415 material is consious....atomic!

[@valuemastery]

Everything is real, even illusions. The question is, what is the nature of that reality?

[@ghaderpashayee8334]

I think she didnt get her answer properly! All she got as answer was: a point outside of space-time!

[@__OL__]

My interpretation of her question was: "Is there some sort of 'base reality' (outside of my immediate field of experience) where the floods are actually happening?" My response would be -- no, there are only individual "dream bubbles". In some of these dream bubbles, there was a flood; in others, just news stories about a flood; in others still, nothing about a flood. If there is no base reality, why do so many commonalities exist across individual dreams (e.g. who the U.S. president is)? Because there is enough vibrational overlap do be dreaming up similar experiences; tuning in to similar snapshots of reality, like tuning in to the same TV station.

[@Misslotusification]

Knowing about the existence of things doesn't change anything to the fact that they exist, nevertheless.

[@mulen-x8u]

What is the nature of reality of the dreaming? Our dreaming reality is a result of an active projection of our mind. What is the nature of the reality of the waking? Our waking reality is a result of active perception of senses and mind. What is the nature of reality as such? Reality is a result of objectification the perception in memory and projection in imagination. That's why we call reality as a four dimensional space-time entity, because memory makes everything temporal and imagination makes everything movable and changeable.

[@brindarao2052]

Then the floods that destroy, fires that destroy other beings while manifested on earth that then is like the dot? I am lost. I do not understand reality, sincerely.

[@peterdoran1512]

You said where the infinite meetings the finite is what we call the universe, so one's dependent on the other. Then why the need for both if you claim there's only consciousness.

[@michaelbuhlmann6167]

❤❤😊❤❤

[@MannyMonarch216]

We attract the world 🌎 ❤👁 And we create the world ✍️🏾🎨👐🏾

[@ellenrule3189]

Best talk ever!! ❤

[@Nebuchadnezzar3]

The real issue here is that you are using the same concepts you're arguing against. If its all perception then does that mean the people in that room are just mental constructs? What about the universe that you appeal to so often, is it also just a mental projection?

[@davidmickles5012]

Very good analogies ❤🙏

[@CosmicJoeK]

so? falling back into the dimensionless point, resurfacing with awe and wonder. most precious beauty gifted by the collaps of concepts. non-believing is becoming (n)one. lets dream a little dream together :) kind regards fellow travelers 🙋‍♂

[@ihsw8]

Eugene Halliday answers this properly. Look him up.

[@elipto]

11:56 = Jacobo Grinberg's Syntergic Theory. And his The Creation of Experience. Cheers!

[@robertallen6710]

The only thing worth watching on UTube...besides Mooji, Eckhart Tolle, Gangaji, etc.🧐

[@ihsw8]

Define Reality. R and L indicate finity, not infinity. The mind and its content are a finite modification of infinity. No answer, as to the lady's question, so far.

[@levlevin182]

In my opinion, trying is tiring. We are not on trial. Life is natural.

[@blackstar2937]

Imagined you did, but don't know if you actually did, WTH!?

[@reece1685]

I really want to quit my job but I don’t know what i would do is there any advice you can give?

[@AndrewMacklem-ih5dz]

Every time you worry or think of the issue turn inside to your feeling of the Divine or the Universe and say: Open the the doors where I am suppose to be and close them where I am not. then go about your day.

[@pilargarcia6724]

🙏🤍💛🧡❤️🩷💜💙🩵💚🤎🩶

[@SirFency]

This does not sit right with me. Helen Keller could not perceive the universe but its still just as real. In other words just because you don't perceive something does not mean it does not exist. I don't think we create anything by observing it. It's there regardless of if we are perceiving it or not. Just like a tree still makes sound when it falls even if there is no-one there to hear it. Either I am not understand what is being talked about which is highly likely or it don't add up.

[@lifecloud2]

This is such a wonderful explanation of something I believe but haven't been able to articulate. I love this explanation and the flowing way you present it. Thank you.

[@agnidas5816]

Man never experienced freeing the mind from senses as in pratyahara and thinks he can teach others something ... The mind isn't limited by the senses. You are ignorant. Mind doesn't need senses to know. And you can absolutely experience a free mind as if after death while still here on Earth. With right practice. Men who don't teach right practice and just talk a lot are usually after your $$$

[@joyissac3784]

Sorry mate, no wiser. May be time to stop watching this programmes.

[@iishakanii]

👽🙏😆666. I am that which is permanent and that which is temporary and moving. Though I am neither absolutely. That which witnesses the permanent and the temporary though itself is uncaused and unseen. ✝--->That I Am

[@morgancambara2792]

Ramana Maharshi says the world is just a dream. I think Rupert you’re way to caught up in your mind, and you are confusing ppl

[@tanakaren1822]

It doesnt have to be either or - nonduality, remember!? Ramana was a man of mostly silence, few visitors, very few words, simple & uneducated, living in a very rural area of India. Rupert, is an intelectual eloquent & speaking to a fast growing western audience who have varying levels of spiritual experience & much more education (from high school thru to multiple PhDs). They each follow their own unique & needed path; different in their approaches on nonduality. As Rupert has vast numbers of student-'friends'(a fast growing number), obviously his approach is hugely helpful to very many people. If Rupert mixes you up, I'd suggest maybe going back to Ramana, as you seem, by your comment, much more aligned w him.

[@joeaverageam]

It's not easy describing a machine and the ghost in it

[@djdollase]

I think you don’t understand the process Rupert is involved in. Plus Ramana never just said it’s all a dream.

[@michelleridley5899]

Saying the world is just a dream isn’t very helpful in understanding or living in this world/body/ finite minds. Your criticism isn’t very helpful either. Rupert, patiently trying to convey the un -conveyable is very very helpful to me. While some may be missing the signs, or unable to perceive though thoughts and words it is truly moving and brave in my perspective.

[@AAA9549-w7w]

English and Zionists have something in common. Metaphysician

[@chiptowers1]

Oh no, not another analogy. An analogy for something simple as recall, which is an innate mechanism for the physical brain to send and receive messages using the implemented ego tool by your Formed source presence within. I mean ,an analogy recall that he used from many years ago just occurred by the so called teacher, so, where was that analogy stored, it cant be stored by the mind because the mind is not a faculty. For something to be a faculty, it would have to be of a Form which is an object. Consciousness and thought require the mind faculty, but, consciousness, thought and mind require a faculty Form source. Proof that mind is a nothing without a Formed source to implement mind, consciousness and thought is that " mind" cannot and did not form a physical body and brain and mind cannot form the FORMED source presence within, because, you your lineage inception was initially Formed ( elements)not Born ( biology). That means your lineage inception has already manifested from the elements of the universe and manifested. Mind did not do that. Therefore your Formed source that has manifested and transcended from the elements of the universe has implemented the mind, consciousness and thought tools simply for awareness and survival for your Formed source and it's host the physical body and brain. After all, how do you think your lineage has come thus far physically and in time. Definitely not by analogies from so called teachers and guru beliefs. The plot thickens by the so called teacher and he got out of that explanation by using Beethoven music. Reality couldn't care less what someone perceives and there is no such thing as Universal consciousness because the universe is random events, and random means " done without conscious decision".