There is No Choice in Eternity

It is seen in this conversation that causality, choice and time are the finite mind trying to make sense of eternity.
From the seven day retreat at Mercy Center, October 2016. For access to the full recording see link: non-duality.rupertspira.com/wa...
Timestamps:
00:00 What happens with awareness when we make a choice?
00:48 No separate chooser between thoughts
02:54 Does awareness make our choices?
03:43 There is no choice
04:30 How we make choices?
05:28 What links our thoughts together?
06:00 Can thoughts know awareness?
08:35 The finite mind and its connection to time
10:47 How the mind knows and perceives
12:05 Understanding limitations of the mind
16:00 Everything is perceived through the filter of the mind
16:55 Cleansing the mind from its limitations
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[@simka321]

6:55: "The whole idea of time causality choice is the minds childish way of trying to make sense of something that it cannot know about. There's no choice or cause in eternity." - Mindblown!

[@hemamalinirs1002]

Beautifully explained ❤

[@sihamknajm]

Brilliant as always beloved Teacher 🙏💖✨

[@ganazby]

Rupert has superb taste in shirts, which alone should be reason enough to ardently seek self-realisation. Wonderful teacher, btw.

[@TheJooberjones]

Philip Bellew agreed, the non dual james bond

[@AdrianMark]

But if he has no choice in the preference of his shirts, does he really have superb taste? Can the self ever be realised, ardently?

[@TheJooberjones]

Adrian Mark well played sir

[@macarius8802]

@@AdrianMark Love it!

[@anthonyscozzafava2175]

Hahahaa great comment

[@freyaforestmusic]

i actually LOVE the way he looks when he is listening. You can just tell he is really paying attention. That is so rare to see these days!

[@84sahi]

That is because he is in his awareness stage - it listens - mind talks

[@claudelebel49]

Comes the question ""he is choosing to listen? If there is no "I" doing the choosing, how could there be a he? -Listening is happening -Noticing is happening -responding is happening -Feeling guilty is happening

[@michaelbizoukas]

So beautiful!

[@spcsh1936]

This man is so out ouf this world I cannot believe it

[@dakini365]

Yeah, he operates in the world minimally.

[@honestyfenix530]

People, to be a runner, a writer, a comedian, a policeman or a nurse IS NOT FOR EVERYONE. To get into Rupert's explanations IS NOT FOR EVERYONE. That simple. And it's not about being a genious, it's about BEING INTERESTED IN and wishing with all your Being, to understand this kind of matter.

[@malabuha]

Hey there:) exactly. I sometimes get surprised as well how much people struggle to see some simple obvious things. See, noone believed when i was a teenager that i would ever make a good waitress. My hands were shaking, i had no self asteem at all. Zero. But, who would tell, against all odds i went abroad and made an excellent waitress. Even that when i returned home i was kind of famous for having a great skill (i live in a very small community). I was no waitress material, but it turned out i made an excellent one. Could it be that the reason i made such obvious transformation and achievment stemmed precisely out of pure incompetence? Could it be that it's the misperception and misunderstanding, a complete incompetence in the field of advaita that fuels your journey into sheding light on reality? I mean, dont get me wrong, your comment is as good as mine, to be honest. I first out of all get preplexed of how much people complicate easy simple things, so i thought, hey, i agree but there's a but to our viewpoint. It's a lengthy one, and i went on talking about simplicities haha

[@kennethart4529]

Honestly bullshit

[@rosisunny9302]

Honesty Fenix 🙏💜🙏 I think Mind does not help but open Hearth and feelings and Thanfulkness will do??

[@honestyfenix530]

@@rosisunny9302 In my experience you need every part of you (I can only talk from my own experience) plus what you say, plus maybe other participations beyond us? Grace? Some aspects of this are beyond me. And also to have The Need! Thank you for your useful comment. Regards.

[@peter.cerrato]

Hi Honesty the Fenix, the "I" that wishes "to understand this kind of matter" is the finite mind! It will only be able to get to the border of itself, but will never be able to "cross over" and "become" AWARENESS!!! You could compare it with the user (Spirit) that plays a game on a computer and the character (body/mind) he plays in that game. They can never really meet! They represent a different order of reality.!!! But if the wish is strong enough to push you forward in understanding, it means that you are being called to return HOME! And hopefully you will make the jump (mind => AWARENESS) in the end!!! Namaste

[@RogerDrayton]

WoW...Awesome, awesome, awesome...Another expression is..The 'I" that is me you cannot see, you only see the form you think is me; the form you see will not always be, but the "I" that is me lives eternally !!!

[@TheBeardedSandman]

YES!

[@TheBeardedSandman]

@@Nothingbuttruth0813 Do you seriously not have more than, "So what?" to contribute to the conversation? If you're going to disagree with Roger, then at least form a coherent thought behind why you disagree, but to hide behind "So what?" is just arrogant and rude.

[@MrStpendouslvforjo]

What an incredible subject and what an incredible SPEAKER!

[@luisavila4704]

Hello Rupert! your knowledge of the essence of life has changed my life! I just want to say hello to the beautiful soul that you are cheers ❤ I hope some day I can be an channel of my source here on earth too. Right now I’m just cultivating my garden❤

[@youarewhatyourelookingfor4496]

In what way? How’s your life changed?

[@gireeshneroth7127]

Choice or no choice, awareness is all that there is. It is awareness vs awareness as the chooser, choice and the chosen and nothing else. Happening within itself.

[@advadhuta]

Clear. Awesome. Direct and spoken with compassion.

[@dayasilvia]

Amazing. Profound. Mind blowing.

[@suryaone1180]

A symphony

[@quantumhealingtools]

Modern day harbinger of a revolution in consciousness.

[@JonnyChaos]

I worked this out way before I got into spirituality. I used to say, f you just took the concept 'time' away, then infinity is normal and easy to accept. It's simple in my head but try to explain it to people and they can't get what I mean.

[@moirab1000]

Glad you got it early. Harder when one has spent years in science and technology……. Still trying to “really” get it.

[@JorgeRodriguez-nx5eq]

If I understand the message of Rupert , Time Space Cause and Effect are all an illusion of the separate self, Awareness is timeless dimensionless and free from cause and effect That is why Krishnamurty always said that freedom is found in Choiceless awareness

[@jessegandy4510]

all our consciousness sits in the background of each of our brain's and watches life happen to each of us all at once

[@karinkling3362]

Grandiose!

[@Dhammadingleberry]

Desire is the only agent in the chain of causation. Awareness simply knows the arising of desire, creation of the seeker, satisfaction of the desire, and death of the seeker. The linking of these patterns is the structure of identity. This pattern is what the narrative self is composed of. It’s driven by natural law. An ideal universe (made of consciousness) is still naturalistic (governed by observable, deterministic, laws) Freedom is simply the letting go of the self that is the shadow of desire, and resting as the unconditional knowing of all activities without seeking or avoiding

[@paulamalcolm6092]

Great Conversation!❤❤

[@noahintara6619]

It’s so clear. And liberating.

[@michaelschulz1096]

so so good Rupert!

[@alfogel3298]

“Mind wants to know that which is beyond mind. To know that which is beyond mind, mind must go-vanish, leaving no vestige of itself behind. The humour of it is, the mind, which is finite, wants to retain itself and yet know Truth, which is infinite. This is the position of those who seek Truth through intellect. Few grasp this fact, and so most grope and grapple in vain.” -Avatar Meher Baba

[@Corbinandhenry]

Your comment made me think of J. Krishnamurti who has profoundly changed my life, thank you al

[@Mindywright27]

Ah yes, I get it...straight in the heart and then a smile arises. That’s why I’m here, deepening and melting away more everyday. Thank you Rupert for your incredible way with blending words into understanding. 💖

[@greatescape7735]

Brilliant analogy! 👏

[@saraswathiab5995]

Beautiful Rupert.Its a notional entity mind arrogating all perceptions and thoughts to itself."how long does the chain go on"is a very beautiful question.As long as the formless substratum is not recognised or as long as we understandingly realise that it is the mind's interpretations.

[@andriusmars2409]

this is simply mind-blowing...

[@honestinsky]

Wow another really excellent video Rupert. You are quickly becoming one of my favorite spiritual teachers. Thank you so much for taking the time and effort to create and post your marvelous videos. I appreciate you : )

[@davidmeyers580]

He's like the second buhhda...

[@alisonsalter8352]

@@davidmeyers580 couldn't agree more...as One

[@angeloiodice9304]

MASTERFUL clarity given by an eloquent -STATE-OF-PRESENT-AWARENESS in the guise of a handsome young man. Blessed to hear this exchange. Rupert delivers with such compassion.

[@glynemartin]

Super stuff as usual. Rupert digs in on this one, you definitely needs to revisit this to first understand the message and finally SEE the picture or as he puts it...to just "get it." Mind to mind transmission and reception is ultimate (but very deceptively difficult) communication. This shows the limits of the thinking mind...and how difficult it is to let go of our conditioning to over think....

[@josephmitchell6796]

Damn Rupert, can i get an Amen!

[@pilargarcia6724]

Genial!!!! Muchísimas gracias

[@ericspoor8175]

even after having a good grasp of emptyness, this surely gives great insight into letting go of causation :edit: and free choice alltogether

[@rosisunny9302]

eric spoor We do have choices ,we jest not aware most times!

[@christinemiller230]

Brilliant

[@MichaelLittle47]

Good talk. The limited mind can only construct a view of reality that is reflective of its own order. So our perception is a form of projection occurring within such a mind. The upshot is that our view of reality is entirely distorted as long as awareness is operative within those parameters. The burning question becomes how do we begin to see beyond the boundaries imposed through the constricted framework of consciousness?

[@sumokem]

Same question. I wish someone can shed light on it. Thank you.

[@widipermono229]

Just by do not identify yourselves with your mind, just witnessing the movement of thoughts with no judgments, choiceless awareness

[@KindredLeela]

This one is IT.

[@miglena2s]

"Oh Yes. That's it." ❤

[@Kltarver]

We’re a selecting flood light with the ability to focus

[@matthewking7874]

awesome wisdom

[@alfogel3298]

The closet we come to God’s most beyond state is when we are in deep soundless sleep. When we awake from deep sleep, the mind will look at the time and say “ it’s 6 o’clock.. I went bed last night at 1 o’clock and woke up at 6. So 5 hours of time had elapsed. But the mind was not present ( it was dormant) in deep sleep, so that’s the minds interpretation based upon its finite limited nature. But in reality, in deep sleep there is no time , it’s a timeless state; in other words time ceases to exist ( only dormantly or latently) in sound sleep. So to experience the sound sleep state; in other words to be AWAKE in deep sleep the mind has to disappear permanently. Rupert is correct about the gap between thoughts being the true Reality; or any gap ( cessation of thoughts) whether it be the gap between thoughts. Between the Dream state and sound sleep state or between the sound sleep and gross awaken state ( we call the world of body forms-human or lower forms of evolution). Avatar Meher Baba said it best when he discoursed the following: “Mind wants to know that which is beyond mind. To know that which is beyond mind, mind must go-vanish, leaving no vestige of itself behind. The humour of it is, the mind, which is finite, wants to retain itself and yet know Truth, which is infinite. This is the position of those who seek Truth through intellect. Few grasp this fact, and so most grope and grapple in vain. “ -Meher Baba

[@TheSolsonia2003]

Thank you 🙏

[@dorotheufarias]

It's like knowing how to play the game better or worse versus knowing it's a game

[@dr.susheelkhemariya8966]

Bahut.bahut.gretitude.abhar.Bahut.bahut.dhanyabad.thanks

[@Andrea-64]

Finally someone agrees with me we really don't have a choice.

[@dakini365]

In the relative you have choice. When you feel like a person there are personal things to do.

[@honestyfenix530]

Totally agree. This seems to be one of the Hardest Truths for most human beings to accept. It must be experienced clearly, to be understood. Regards and best of luck 🙏

[@psychb5862]

The foreknowledge of reactions is all there is to succession

[@justbreakingballs]

This seems to overlook memory. The thoughts are aware of the previous thought and considerate of previous thoughts. So memory ties them all together. Have you ever thought what was I thinking about then scrolled and remembered ahhhh I was thinking about that and continued to have your thoughts about whatever. You continued to have a thought. You scrolled through history to remember what you were thinking. Somethings controlling that process. This idea that thoughts are just bouncing up without connection is something I’m struggling with.

[@saraswathiab5995]

Yes memory is the content and continuity of mind.Without it there can be no meaningful self of identity, nor time/space.But the Awareness can exist without memory.

[@nocosa]

Toughts are not aware. Mind is not aware. You are aware of them.

[@purpleglitter9596]

Memory is in the zero point field.

[@higheryibes4430]

What I love about Rupert is the patience and compassion he has to get people in to experience what is conceptual. I saw many gurus getting angry (even though it is not egoic) when sharing the wisdom and seeing the disciples are not getting it. Rupert is like a buddy talking while having a cup of tea.

[@dexx44]

Awareness doesn't get angry

[@84sahi]

He is enlightened pisces sign. How can he ever not be compassion and empathist - Jesus was pisces born in March like rupert. Very spiritual beings.

[@MrPJFurey]

Mooji is the man when it comes to awareness and teaching it, love that guy.

[@markushultqvist4765]

mooji is a fraud! A scam. People go to see him for big money in Portugal, just to hear the enlightenment nonsense he speak. No brainer why moojis life is blissful. He got it all for free, he just have to speak some buzzwords about God and then his whole lifestyle in sunny and good weather Portugal is financed. You come home when you meet Thich Nhat Hanh. He is the real deal. Eckart tolle is also a Fraud, just like Adyashanti, Sadhguru and Osho. The only true learder is Thich Nhat Hanh. I saw him in real life once, such inspiring teacher. Forget about Rupert, Mooji and others. Follow Thich Nhat Hanh. He said "A cloud can never die, just as persons, both are continuing processes fr eternity. What beautiful buzzword, only Thich Nhat Hanh can say something that beautiful. I am crying as I write this, that is how much I love Thich Nhat Hanh.

[@MrPJFurey]

I don't think his enlightenment training worked if you are so offended in Mooji, I never visited him in person but I learned much from him years ago, truly an exceptional human, or should I say there was much learned, who is to say who learned those things, haha. But you should not exercise such hatred for Mooji he has done nothing to harm or hinder, he does also seek the truth like you, have your masters teaching been ill gotten and thus they are ill gone? Nor should you express such love towards another one who is flesh like yourself and hence containing sin, your love is rightfully deserving to God alone. Not another. You may or may not know this but it is true. God is True.

[@markushultqvist4765]

You are right in your last part! God is true! I shouldn't express that much love to a human in flesh, not even Thich Nhat Hanh, and especially not a black man like Mooji. Christianity has all answers. And God is quite different from a black middle age human male in human flesh like Mooji, quite a difference, don't you think?

[@rahulkulkarni536]

MrPJFurey Mooji is a great guy, a really loving presence. But he insults vedanta by calling himself a teacher. He is a neo advaita guy.

[@spaceoflove]

Learn from everyone. Follow no one. (Buddha) I maintain that truth is a pathless land, and you cannot approach it by any path whatsoever, by any religion, by any sect. (Krishnamurti)

[@annesparfumyoga]

Vielen Dank fürs posten 🌹

[@tryadifferentone354]

How many more ways to describe Plato's cave?

[@pureone26]

I would love to see a nonduality conversation between Rupert and Robert Thurman (of tibetan buddhism nonduality)...

[@noha3962]

Wow

[@HomicidalDavid]

I knew the answer was lines. It's like how you draw lines to make a square, then make two squares to make a cube to appear 3D.

[@zmalqp555]

This is advanced knowledge which requires choice. Each person has a truth, together we decide to manifest. Quantum entanglement is accurate.

[@joaodanni]

Do you even know if you are bullshitting yourself?

[@zmalqp555]

@@joaodanni What's your bullshit? I mean truth?

[@joaodanni]

@@zmalqp555 I don't have a truth. Existence or life or subjectivity or whatever you may call this is Truth, the absolute truth. Everything else is relative and is belief. I have beliefs just has anyone else but I'm really careful to not jump to conclusions. Because of this I reason slowly and I show my line of thought so that others can understand me or point out where something's off. Your comment appears to be an asserition that can't be understood, you just stated it without justifications

[@lisamitchell3116]

I get it!

[@priitoinas73]

Between two thoughts there is a gap and that gap is Pure Awareness. Time does NOT exist in Pure Awareness. In that PURE AWARENESS is ETERNITY. If you MEDITATE and get established in Pure Awareness you experience the existence of your own GOD!

[@TigerDragonStorm]

Nice . Feel like this has been uploaded before though

[@ommeditationmind1554]

In the beginning Rupert says 1st thought is "coffee or Tea?" then there is a blank or silent pause and then 2nd thought arises and says "tea." He says there is no one who made a choice in between the two thoughts..meaning there was no thought in between the two thoughts saying "uhmm, let me decide." then yes he is correct. But in life most people spend endless hours in between thinking and analyzing before arriving at a decision or a choice....so in between the two illusory thoughts there is an illusory "I" person choosing.....all of this when the mind is active with the illusory person-identity present. ....so in this illusory world there is a "person" making choices...there is a chooser and a choice, although as part of the illusory drama. However, when the mind is not present, thoughts arise without the illusory "I" there is "no identity" there no one there to choose or to do anything....in the Diamond Sutra Buddha talks about giving as something that arises or overflows naturally as it is our (consciousness) nature without having to think things through (the illusory "I" or person identity is not there). An enlightened one does not regard oneself as the giver or being some benevolent being that owns something that is his to give, nor does oneself see the recipient as someone in need or deficient in some way. Both are single same consciousness.

[@jasbhabra6843]

Good explanation. We only connect to the soul (Atman, Rhu, Spirit) through silence. Thoughts take you away from that connection back to the ‘I’. As Eckhart Tolle says enjoy the ‘play of form’, the body/mind/intellect. We are none of these but much deeper awareness/soul Bless Jas 🙏🏾

[@boswelljj1]

The only 'I' that is present is the background of awareness and it is this 'I' that chooses. Identify with the thoughts then quite rightly there's no free will or choice, but identify with awareness itself and then you are in a position to choose.

[@TheKstuart]

No, absolute awareness has no preference of any sort, so it never chooses anything, just as the sun does not choose to shine or not. Absolute awareness is watching a movie. In the movie, characters do not choose anything, it is all in the script already. As Spira says, the movie is viewed by the "self-aware screen" - which is the only "I".

[@smilelikeUmeanit90]

@@TheKstuart on point

[@atuldambalkar2914]

Very well explained and "I" is the awareness and in reality, there is no separate "I". The mind tries to create this illusion of causality with the help of time. But my question is "from where does the thoughts of choices even appear". "What" is seeding these thoughts in front of the awareness? Is it the sub-conscious or the super-conscious? The thought appears in mind, so the mind is not creating these thoughts! But who is creating these thoughts then??

[@zulubeatsprince]

The mind and body are producing these thoughts... or ripples based on biochemistry and memories.

[@sandycarter5300]

@zulubeatsprince Only there is no biochemistry...there is no matter at any seeming level, and so, no biochemistry, no biology, no nervous system, no anatomy, etc.

[@skandi86]

I have a question that I have thought about and I see nobody asking: If time is the filter we see trough reality in out finite mind, how does consciousness experience itself through us, if there is no time. He has said that we exist in this finite form so consciousness could see (experience) itself from the outside. How does consciousness unravel. There must be a movement, otherwise it would all be static and we wouldn't exist. Good luck answering that. You can thank me later

[@andrewhussey8702]

It's the Relative using the Relative position to solve an Absolute position .

[@dr.susheelkhemariya8966]

Wahwah AhaAha DhanyabadDhanyabadDhanyabad thanksgretitude dhanyabad dhanyabadDhanyabadDhanyabad Rupertspira

[@bthompson1767]

This man is the Author of confusion

[@rosisunny9302]

I m thankful to find you 🙏💜🙏 🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹

[@imagine9033]

Thomas Campbell says you make the decision by intention

[@smilelikeUmeanit90]

i like that

[@Sun.powder]

Thanks that makes sense.

[@arnonkaplansky7712]

This Is My End. The meaning of time.

[@wilma8326]

Experience is a dance of consciousness. Lets say you are dancing. Does your finger chooses how to move? No, the whole body is dancing and moves as a totality. Consciousness moves in an infinite and eternal way as a whole and nothing choose his separate choice. It is just impossible, it can only be so in a dream

[@violinbuff3782]

A brilliant dialogue...I am lost and wonder if the speaker is psychologically helped himself by his seemingly deep understandings? I wonder if the indigenous American Indian thought in a much simpler manner and was content without posing such questions? Putting food on the table keeping tents warm was the real goal for them.As a much younger man I revered Krishnamurti the great man. Trouble is that I was tied into knots by his piercing and incredibly honest and to me very complex and not simple to apply at least for me. words For me seeing the beauty intelligence and honesty of the person put him sadly on a huge pedestal the anti Guru stronger than all gurus. Unfortunately that is exactly what he did not want. But you see in music we all put Bach Beethoven Brahms on a pedestal so why not Krishnamurti as well?? I was probably not clever to go with the observer, which is the observed or many other of his observations for which he sought no praise or ego related BS. Clever to say those words but to have it help one's life a different story. Living for small moments in the moment but few can for more than an augenblick! I am a classical musician, and when I am in the moment as in a concert or practicing but with many, many blips of thought bombarding the musical continuity. One must be very conscious not to use these definitions in order to play a kind of intellectual game often like disassembled car parts left, not put together in no way a put down and guess I always try to find a way or release from painful thoughts. Happy those who are in the groove and greatly helped Bravo for you!

[@albundy9597]

so what chose coffee instead of tea?

[@pdvidz2266]

I have bi-polar disorder so when I feel depressed what feels it? Itself?

[@TheBeardedSandman]

There are parts of this that I agree with, and there are parts of it that I don't. The idea that I don't have a free will and cannot choose for myself is seeing past the mark. It is because we are beings who live within this dimension we call time allows the possibility of choosing.

[@Westeroni3]

The illusion of choice is a real illusion, but an illusion nonetheless.

[@TheBeardedSandman]

@@Westeroni3 I respect your opinion, but I firmly reject such a narrow view of the human experience. We are not mindless automatons going from one meal to the next; one physically gratifying experience to the next. We are conscious living human beings with an ability to choose for ourselves what we will or will not do with our lives. Innate value and morality are prime examples of this concept. If I was a mindless complex organism, then I would just be following what my body wants when it wants it, but because I'm NOT mindless, because I am going about using my free will to choose, I'm NOT just doing whatever my body wants.

[@Westeroni3]

@@TheBeardedSandman I did not say you were mindless. You wrote this comment because you felt a stronger desire to reply than you did to not reply. One want overpowered other wants in that moment, so that is what you did. We are very complex, in body and in mind. But what we truly are is neither. That is just how I experience it, I can respect that you can not see it that way. Side note. Just because I don't believe we have a will of our own, to choose separately from the flow of life as we move through it, does not mean that I don't feel a sense of responsibility to do what I feel is the right thing to do in each moment. But after each day, I remember that I was brought to the end of my day, and things were done, and decisions were made, but they would have happened all the same whether I chose to or not and I try to give thanks and credit to the Prime mover, to God, to the infinite, whatever you call it.

[@TheBeardedSandman]

@@Westeroni3 Here's why I disagree. First, a man comes home to find his wife with another man in bed. He gets angry, grabs a gun from the closet and shoots both his wife and her lover. He gets taken to court and says, "Judge, I had no choice. Because my wife cheated on me, and because I had access to a gun, and because none of us have free will, I had no choice but to shoot them." Do you think that judge or jury would exonerate him based on the argument that he really didn't have the ability to choose and therefore has no accountability for his actions? You said so yourself, you have a sense of responsibility. So how do you reconcile this? Second point: what is love? The ability to care deeply about another human being in such a way that you would expect nothing from them in return. If we don't have the ability to choose, then love is an illusion. Just a complex array of chemical reactions inside our bodies driven by evolution - love would not exist. Love for a parent, sibling, spouse, etc. none of these would truly exist. I would submit that love truly does exist because I've experienced love myself. I as an observer can recognize, accept, and choose to love another person. This requires choice. We have an innate ability to choose.

[@AlbionRising]

Look up: the theory of biocentrism And: panoramic cat (you'll get why)

[@louiseshows]

Is aether, in the "old " elements aether earth wind fire water..time? And its more like aethernity in stead of eternity? ;) Just a finite thought in my filtered mind

[@QBL418]

Who or what C lenses the Mind?

[@riaanvandermerwe4810]

The fact that time don’t exist does it all for me….I see eternity when I realize this …

[@JunoRodigan]

If there are no objects as Rupert states, then I've been seeing things that don't exist all my life!

[@widipermono229]

You are right, unfortunately, when we are dreaming everything seems real without a shadow of doubt. After wake up we know all were unreal. At the moment we are dreaming together. Have a nice sleep...but what a nice feeling when we aware that we are now in a dream

[@sandycarter5300]

@widipermono229 No. It is to have the dream be over, done, fini.

[@AdrianMark]

The choice was made before the universe began. Then, there was the Big Bang, or insert whatever creation of time mechanic you wish to here. You, which is I, you, the complicated human being that is the culmination of the universe up till this point are simply hearing it now.

[@brindarao2052]

Still don’t understand how activities of daily life get accomplished, if everything is just a thought !

[@robleach7085]

Does it matter?

[@virginiawells2370]

Is mind a tool for awareness?

[@fatimamachado3461]

When do you come to Portugal ?

[@gretanavarauskaite2904]

❤️❤️❤️

[@TheGerogero]

But observing "the line gets thicker, thinner, and disappears in a particular manner" _does_ communicate something of the branch per se.

[@maksymkrammer]

After deleting cause and effect, all we can do is pretend that there is cause and effect.

[@malabuha]

What would be the difference?

[@smilelikeUmeanit90]

:xD

[@MrWubakia]

This is really quite profound in terms of how the idea of a self "chooser" is merely fabricated though the identification with a series of thoughts that are really just arising from infinity or whatever. The pat that I don't quite grasp is the absence of causation. Even without a self being responsible for the "choice" thought (in this case "coffee"), the thought "coffee" is still arising only as a response to the question. Isn't that, by definition, causality?

[@flowwhite3192]

The cause of a question in a movie and the cause of an answer in a movie is the screen. The screen causes them both. Same in a dream at night. The cause for the guy hunting you is the same cause that makes you run. The dreamer. Same during daytime… Awareness is the only cause of everything, 🍀

[@lubosjanosik2219]

The Thinker Itself Is a Thought

[@hexenblut13]

or the other way around lol

[@smilelikeUmeanit90]

@@hexenblut13 Both, wu wei. The point in the torus.

[@smilelikeUmeanit90]

good one :) I agree.

[@justaman33]

As within, so without

[@fairygyani273]

"You can only have one thought at a time." What is a finite mind doing then, when in meditation, internally repeating a mantra and at the same time catching the attention drifting off into thoughts or thought after thought whilst still repeating the mantra, and in the background, thinking of pulling the attention or awareness back to its source? Even if in a previous discourse it was said to let the attention or awareness observe itself coming and going. To me, that is a state of many thoughts overlapping and going on simulateously.

[@cbmcbm2845]

Fairy Gyani, "simultaneously" is again some random point of TIME, the imaginary term of reference for mind within its own limitations. Let the mind keep working with minimum / Zero Speed. It means that it was not the mind but I engaged in running through records of the Book of Mind !!! The moment I closes the book of records of mind, I shifts the body to sleep mode. Om namah shivaya

[@ronnie4863]

C B M CBM thank you for clarifying. Having issues with how does one live their life.? Or does this mean you must die to everything. Getting lost and confused with the clarification of reality.

[@lampy4485]

The mantra is like an unconscious heart beat developed through repetition, your thoughts are the only true thoughts and awareness is what notices the thoughts arising.

[@kimjansson2338]

🙏🙏🙏🙏

[@jnorfleet3292]

We intentionally develop algorithms for video games where one's actions chooses the outcome. As complex as this Quantum field is we call reality, a static fate-based system would be boring and serve no purpose in the end.

[@rubenvela44]

@@FootyFrenzyHD He means we are all one and by throwing someone in the wilderness means you are hurting yourself and no one else

[@DavidPerez-yw4zs]

So who makes the decision coffee or tea? My auntie?

[@BA-ei7tl]

Who/what makes the decision?

[@levimark548]

Without time there is no causality and change in events. It seems that choice requires time choice is a change in events in a sequentially way.

[@JorgeRodriguez-nx5eq]

Wow Rupert are doing the same kind of mind experiments that Einstein used to formulate the theory of relativity We are in the present of a genius !

[@youarewhatyourelookingfor4496]

7:45 if there’s no choice, she has no choice then but to think about it. The solution to any problem is to find out who has the problem. Who’s there?

[@jeffreyd508]

These concepts are difficult to put into words. I imagine Robert has many theories that can't really be explained properly with words

[@NondualityChannel]

It is not all predetermined, scripted, or causality. Choice happens - sometimes due to conditioning or causality (which arguable is not choice)...and sometimes due to thoughtless presence or spontaneously from the Self (it could be said). There is no chooser...don't personalize it.