Overanalyzing Don't Starve's Universe (The Constant)

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@lovkarts Ай бұрын

As I said in Purplex08's video: "The characters in Don't Starve are constantly compared to chess pieces. When you re-arrange the chess pieces after a match is over, you're technically reviving them, and the same logic is applied to the survivors, that could explain why them dying and being resurrected multiple times is canon."

@jackhinkley8133 Ай бұрын

Oooh! That actually explains a lot, thematically!

@daviddavidsson6243 Ай бұрын

You don’t need to apologize for sections being paced ”incorrectly”. This was a really interesting video!

@DrasticElevation Ай бұрын

i have a different idea for death in the constant, my theory is that when you die, your soul/ghost leaves your body, when you revive, you get a new body based off the one your first after entering the constant and your ghost enters that new one. the health penalty exists because all resurrection methods have shadow magic on them, never lunar magic or any other magic.

@chonflis3834 Ай бұрын

Not the meat effigy tho wilson cooked wit that one

@Insert6character4name. Ай бұрын

@@chonflis3834 Well it's crafted with beard hair and beard hair can be obtained by not only shaving, but also beardlings, which are pretty much the shadow variant of rabbits, so there's a possibility that the beard could somehow be related to shadows.

@chonflis3834 Ай бұрын

@@Insert6character4name. Oh

@charliemallonee2792 22 күн бұрын

@@chonflis3834He had to be cooking; raw meat doesn’t work to make meat effigies. (In DS, DST changed the recipe to health instead of meat).

@WickedDoom12 Ай бұрын

The constant is one of my favorite names for a fictional dimension to this day. It sounds like an unstable entity that does not stop generating, growing and will forever keep on existing.

@aaaa-ol1jg Ай бұрын

I would like to add that in singleplayer DS, the survivors are first shown within coffins while they're locked, something that certainly gives strength to the hell theory. Even the way you unlock Webber in the first game is very suggestive. That considered, could it be that Charlie is another reinterpretation of Beatrice? You know... Don't Starve To-Get-Her... then Maxwell would actually be Dante... Honestly, it seems like a big stretch, but I do believe Klei Intentionally spread references like these on purpose, as a fun metanliguistic way of telling stories, same thing with how the game uses the duality of shadow and gestalt, both being terms of psychology, which doesn't necessarily mean the Constant is canonically a psychological universe (but it could be, considering the paper-like style DS has and the fact Maxwell and Charlie first get into the constant through a book). As a final note, I believe one of the keys to understanding what is the constant probably lies within symbolic understanding and the comprehension of what They mean. Both the shadow part and the lunar part. I plan on taking some time to make a theory of my own regarding all of that. One last thing, the Constant's symbol is a spiral, the meaning is pretty intuitive.

@placeholderdoe Ай бұрын

I don’t think the constant is hell, but more of a hellish place. It isn’t ruled by satan as a punishment for sinners, but it is ran by mysterious gods or otherwise eldritch entities who toy with people based on grudges and mysteries reasons. Like how the saw movies are hell even though the traps and kidnapping are not divine

@lunyxappocalypse7071 Ай бұрын

Was thinking more of Hel, the underworld when thinking of that. Hell itself is not a place, just an end. It is however, conflated with the above. To quote a redditor: MMCStatement: "Jesus tells us not to fear man but fear God who destroys body and soul in hell. If Jesus is to be trusted.. and I definitely believe he is.. he is telling us that hell is non existence. Permanent banishment from his kingdom."

@goiaba2007 Ай бұрын

Another curious thing about the Hell theory, what about warly and winona? Warly hasn't done anything (probably) terrible and far from doing a Deal with Maxwell/Devil, he was just straight up kidnapped. Winona, same thing, no deals were made and it's more of a kidnap scenario, plus she was trying to save someone, this is not the kind of act that would lead someone to hell (given how she was first going for Wagstaff being sucked into the portal and not Charlie since she only appeared after Winona failed to save him). Wes? a pure saint and you can't even suggest the "going where you shouldn't, doing what you shouldn't" argument since he was just running away from some crows and stumbled upon the shadow hands guiltlessly. So even if there are arguments to the Winona and Wes situation, Warly just seems off nonetheless.

@Toadkillah Ай бұрын

I've always been intrigued why Klei chose the name *Constant* out of everything they could have called it. I don't think they chose it on a whim but I'm not sure how big a role the name plays. For all we know it could be what the survivors or *one* of them call it. I don't remember where I saw it but isn't it implied/mentioned that the names in game are given to things by the survivors and/or Maxwell/Charlie (whoever controls the Throne at the time)? Which is why some things have such basic/dumb names as Tallbird, Rocklobster and Science Machine. I'm pretty sure the last one is canonically invented by Wilson and Science Machine is just the kind of name he would call something like that. "Everyone, look what I have created!" "What is it?" "A Science Machine!" "What does it do?" "It does *science* of course!" C'mon that sounds exactly like how Wilson reasons, he is so smart but at the same time so dumb. I love him, for being the generic/default character he has quite a lot of character to him, even if we only go by in game quotes from the OG Don't Starve. "That is a perfectly reasonable piece of clothing." - Wilson when examining a Log Suit.

@jackhinkley8133 Ай бұрын

I actually found a Theory on why the constant is named that! I have it somewhere in these comments, so I won’t over explain, but Essentially, The name of the land and underground “Constant” is actually the name of the shadow side, as a counterpart to alter, the light and moon, And that "Them" in Don't Starve lore could refer to at minimum, these two opposing entities, rather than just one. The theorist, first wondered why the lunar side was named “alter”, and why we don’t know the shadow side’s name. This theory then looks at the contrasting elements between the moon-related elements (Alter) and the shadowy, underground-based elements (Constants): The lunar side is associated with light, change, and reflection, while shadows are linked to darkness, stasis, and the underground. The moon's power is seen in the form of the lunar cycle, and the Constant's power is reflected in the nightmare cycle. It then looked at what the definition of what alter means: to change, modify or transmute, and then looked at what could be the opposite of that: to stay the same, uniform, stable, or To stay… constant. This theory also could potentially suggest that the goals and motivations of each side based off their names: the shadow forces in the game might represent order (constant), seeking to maintain the status quo, while the lunar forces symbolize chaos and change (alter). Anyways, the credit goes to @pixellover2795 for writing the original theory, along with @TrOlliPop and @adampozzobon5193 ‘s interesting replies, And you can find the original comments in the comment section of “the daywalker theory by slasher 342”!

@brycerodriguez244 Ай бұрын

I mean i think the constant is named that because it’s separated from the real world, and time moves differently between the two realms of existence. I think the constant is just another plane of existence that is completely severed from the real world

@mustard7306 Ай бұрын

The multiverse theory is just outright correct. We see it in the Gorge and the Forge, and we see portals opened from the Constant to the "real world". The Constant isn't Hell - Wagstaff's able to go in and out of it with ease, They aren't divine or infernal (demons like Wortox are another thing entirely), and the seven levels of Adventure Mode being a parallel to Dante's Inferno's nine circles is kind of a reach. Also, Wanda's dialogue constantly implies branching timelines.

@1two479 Ай бұрын

Has everyone been ver noticed there’s an alchemy engine at 10:07 on the right hand side behind Webber? Meaning alchemy engines were also brought back from the constant, or are from the real world, idk how this helps any theories but it’s interesting

@tecnochilemapper4121 Ай бұрын

The constant could be a personal hell, like in single player, but thanks to the florid postern every character get's to the same hell, the only exception would be willson falling into maxwell's constant, but it could be explained by Willson being trown into maxwell's hell by charlie

@craz2580 Ай бұрын

Me when i see people picturing hell as hot while in Dante's inferno its clearly cold

@polarlotus Ай бұрын

Leave it to me to forget to mention one of the most popular theories, the constant is a time loop. However I don't think this theory is correct, here's why. A temporal loop would not explain why time seems to advance within the constant, we know that time goes forward in the constant because of the events of don't starve and dont starve together, if it were a temporal loop then everything would stay the mostly the same because survivor death is canon within the don't starve universe It also opens a lot of paradoxical issues with don't starve together, shared temporal loops cant really exist as if one person were to die then their time would be different than everyone elses, it could go hand in hand with the multiverse theory, but on its own its unfeasible. And yes, I know its called the "constant" which would suggest that time is constant, however time has proven to be anything but constant in the constant, so its very likely a play on words which is something klei loves to do (don't starve is a game where food is the least of your problems)

@Dalgamor_is_fake Ай бұрын

First time seeing somebody to note that even the name of the game is a play of words...XD

@RaisinHook Ай бұрын

I think it’s kinda like a simulation but not entirely, since Maxwell can only control shadows and it said only that he made the Constant and not how, I think it’s entirely possible that Maxwell somehow made the world entirely out of Shadows and made them think they where something specific, like making a shadow fully believe that it is a Spider, Science Machine, or Hambat

@PolymerUa Ай бұрын

I think that constant might actually be something like a backrooms, pocket reality for shadows. You i think it makes sense why Bob Staffwag is trying to use lunar magic instead of shadow. It think that everything that contacts with the shadows in real world makes a portal tо the constant, losing it's original powers, and instead combining itself with the item in real world. Like the Wagstaff projector, or the codex umbra which is probably just a normal book, but infused with shadows.

@jackhinkley8133 Ай бұрын

Interesting! Never heard of this take before! Very cool!

@Hungry_Chester Ай бұрын

Polar is going insane like matpat whit this one🗣🔥

@palindromeblues 21 сағат бұрын

The Forge event has some neat insight into the multiverse theory: Battlemaster Pugna has dialogue calling the survivors "Gatekeepers" and talks about how the Forge is a different realm from where "the Throne" is. Assuming this is talking about the nightmare throne, this seems to suggest that the Constant is connected to other realms or universes, like the Forge and the Gorge, and that the Constant is specifically the nightmare throne's domain. Pugna also mentions going to a "hub" to destroy "the Throne"- which can only be the Constant, as that's where the nightmare throne is located, but that would suggest that the Constant is something central to this little multiverse, rather than some place Maxwell cobbled together out of shadows. Which is very odd- I'd be inclined to assume that the "real world", where most of the survivors are from, would be the most important place. But I guess the "real world" is lame and doesn't have two superpowerful entities in a power struggle, so that might explain it. Though admittedly, I'm not really sure if the events are canon.

@randomintenetperson703 Ай бұрын

18:30 Don't worry to I will never pick up a stick since that means going outsilde

@DuckPatch Ай бұрын

Don't forget about the ancients and their ties to shadow fuel!

@neoslayerpw8230 15 күн бұрын

I think multiverse theory and hell could both exist at once. But what I really wanted to say was that randomly generated worlds may point towards the multiverse theory

@aimarmelchormartinez1338 Ай бұрын

The constant is the friends we made along the way

@alexandruscarlat8026 Ай бұрын

pls read wanda s quotes for willow.

@RockOnTheKitchenTable 40 минут бұрын

(I apologize in advance for anyone who may want to read this. It’s very long and probably not the best written. I mainly wrote this for my own enjoyment, and also because I have way too much time on my hands.) I personally believe in a modified version of your multiverse, specifically with death. I believe death in the constant is just not permanent. My belief is that in single player when you die your soul is transported to a new land mass and then revived, and in multiplayer your soul stays in ghost form until revived by either the world (touchstones) or by another player (telltale heart). In your theory (if I got it correctly it’s very possible I didn’t) no one in the constant would remember if they died and would from their perspective survive everything, in my version they would experience and remember each death they encountered. As for it being hell I don’t think that’s true. The heaven and hell similarities are certainly cool and interesting, but to me they don’t really equate to the constant being hell. While being there certainly sucks I don’t think that’s its divine punishment (at least not from an all knowing god). The hell theory also just doesn’t sit right with me for a few other reasons (none being religious, more from a story perspective). But if that’s just my personal opinion I can definitely see why other people enjoy that theory.

@FIreWolf3004 Ай бұрын

Enjoyed the vid a lot, enjoyed this style of video should do more like it

@manbagan Ай бұрын

Maybe the constant is just the constant. Fantasy can be its own thing

@killerknife4570 16 күн бұрын

16:11 well there could be multiple hells the mode klei made, ıdk the name but you made a video about it "the true horror of dont starve together" it could be an hell too, with other people so there could be different demons and different lucifers

@alperr7530 Ай бұрын

14:34 in islam, hell has 7 layers

@Merenq Ай бұрын

Yahooo new vid!! Omw to watch it Also the thumbnail art is really cool :DD

@michajaworowicz8923 Ай бұрын

Wait, so according to quantum immortality, it's canon to use rollbacks in dst when I keep failing my minimal prep ruins rush? That would mean I'm just roleplaying the 99% scenarios where I fail until I get to the one reality where I succeed in it.

@angrytrapperyoqbuqtiysqaro Ай бұрын

the grue is coming

@WickedDoom12 Ай бұрын

AGH!! SOMETHING BIT ME!!

@bunbunrubyheart6697 8 сағат бұрын

Wormwood took skill and care to make. The other life forms are horrors becouse alter doesn’t care to do detailed work in war time. Otherwise the constant is his home possibly his creation. I think he cares but not for what he sees as invaders. He hates Charlie and Maxwell but sees wormwood as his child. He also sees the fish princess as one of his people but if she sides with Charlie a traitor. He appreciates Wilson’s lack of action on the nightmare throne and holds pity for him for being put in what he sees as a role of power he did not want and appreciates him reveling it’s most recent location and access point. As well as his skill and understanding of his gift of magic to the residents of this world. He sees the shadows as a threat. This is a theory I have with little evidence based on the fact that he did little if nothing before Charlie started doing things.

@lovkarts Ай бұрын

I don't know, but the name is really cool :v