What is the Cooperative Baptist Fellowship?

[@jmjaquinas7298]

I really wish these videos had been around when I was exploring churches, but I’m grateful to have them now. God bless you!

[@ReadyToHarvest]

Thanks! I was actually pretty shocked when I began that there's nothing like this around already.

[@nathanwatson1915]

@@ReadyToHarvest you focus on denominations but with amorphous movements like the NAR (cf book " The Rise of Network Christianity: How Independent Leaders Are Changing the Religious Landscape ") ... how much are NAR ideas subversively influencing laypersons in traditional denominations through media, conferences, music, etc? ... how large is NAR in comparison to traditional denominations, and how fast is it growing? NAR organizations and "apostle and prophet" leaders do not seek to build denominations but seek soft wide-ranging influence to build their mostly-Dominionist world. Please do some videos on this increasingly important topic, thanks!

[@jmjaquinas7298]

@@ReadyToHarvest Me too!

[@alicegriffin8545]

How tragic that the Scriptures are seen by some as Misogynistic. The Lord Jesus Christ made it clear that His message is for women as well as men. Those who see otherwise should remember his interaction with Martha, the sister of Lazarus, who asked Him to instruct her sister to help her take care of the company instead of sitting with the men who were learning from The Lord. The Lord never told Martha that she was doing something wrong- only that Mary was making a better choice by taking advantage of the opportunity to learn. In those days, learning Torah was considered to be the place of men but The Lord always showed respect for women. Thank you for clear explanations in your videos and for making them without editorial comment.

[@jamesreed5678]

Why do people who think the Bible is misogynistic, homophobic, unscientific and otherwise errant and ignorant, why do they bother calling the Bible authoritative? Why do they bother identifying as Christian?

[@Nrqsrt]

I had 0 clue what this was. You learn something new everyday 🙏

[@medleysa]

My first impression is that this is like the church in Laodicea - lukewarm, neither hot nor cold. They don’t really take a stance on anything and just go with whatever the least resistant path is.

[@broz1488]

They speak with forked tongue. On the one hand claiming to be committed to the teachings of Scripture, whilst promoting and permitting that which is contrary to Scripture. Prime example of a Church led by the servants of darkness.

[@michaelgreen4183]

I've gone to churches from Pilgrim Holiness as a toddler, Freewill Baptist as a child, Independent Baptist Fellowship from 18 to 23 years old, the Brethren church for a couple of years after that, as well as EV Free and then PCUSA. I have been going to an ECO Presbyterian church that a friend pastors. All of these churches stayed true to scripture until I went to a PCUSA church where I now live. Every single sermon had political overtones and mentions of kids in cages and then about BLM and the shame of being a white male. That was the straw that broke the camel's back. I have mixed race ancestry so it wasn't like I had zero thoughts on race relations. My family at large is mixed as well my nuclear family. Still, I know that with the Gospel, it doesn't matter who or what you are. The Gospel breaks down all barriers and distinctions. This new denomination needs to decide whether or not they should divide yet again into liberal and conservative church camps. I've seen it all, and this group has more views than all of the churches I have attended in my lifetime.

[@jamesreed5678]

Hating whites, especially white males, is very popular these days.

[@mitchellr6927]

But have you been to one or a part of one? I wasn't sure if the Baptists you listed are part of CBF

[@brendaboykin3281]

Thanx, Joshua. 🌹🌹🌹

[@matthewbauerle7153]

“I find myself happy with neither lukewarm liberalism or hyper fundamentalism.” *proceeds to state things indicative of theological liberalism*

[@Brock0325]

What did he say that makes it indicative of theological liberalism?

[@matthewbauerle7153]

@@Brock0325 racial reconciliation is a buzzword that often means alignment with left wing activism. “a place for women to do more than baby sit” is a common liberal objection to the conservative objection to woman ministers. Open to scientific discoveries even when they challenge preconceptions indicates valuing science over scripture. The grating when he hears Christians link politics to religion is ironic. I checked his Twitter and most of his posts are advancing Democratic partisan politics.

[@Brock0325]

@@matthewbauerle7153 Okay, Thanks for clarifying.

[@MethodistPreacher]

@@matthewbauerle7153 as a Black man you just insulted me! So it’s a buzz word to reconcile with other ethnicities, especially those who were hurt by white Christians, namely Southern Baptists. Yet, many Black SBC Churches are exiting the SBC. I guess I have no place in a Church that still sees me as inferior.

[@sorenpx]

@Marcus Briddell That's not what he said.

[@reedermh]

Another issue that came up in the 1970's involved abortion. The Messengers actually approved two resolutions which would be described as pro-choice. Not until 1980 did the Messengers reverse course; since then all their resolutions have been pro-life.

[@InvestmentJoy]

Sure sounds like on the edge universalist under a Baptist moniker.

[@DanielHarris171]

I currently attend a CBF church and went to one of its partnering seminaries. Fun fact, there are some more conservative leaning CBF churches which are also affiliated with the SBC. I know many Baptist churches that are only part of those denominations because they give them money. Other than that, the congregation really has no clue.

[@silashollis6630]

Can you do a video about the splits occuring internationally in the Orthodox Church. For example with Ukraine becoming its own autocephalous branch within the Orthodox community.

[@Philippakis52]

You mean the American goverment bribing the apostate Bartholemew to interfere in an autonomous church where he had no authority. Nor had the autonomous canonical Church had asked for separation from the Moscow patriarchate, what Constantinople did was to reconnise unrepentant schismatics many of which had no valid ordination in the First place, the U.S.A is the enemy of Christianity, supporting both ethnic cleansing of Christians in the middle East by Israel and Sa'udi Arabia,

[@silashollis6630]

@@Philippakis52 I am just recently learning about this. There is a Russian Othodox Church outside Russia in my community that I have been attending as visitor.

[@philmattox8500]

@@silashollis6630 Silas, I am a communicate of the Orthodox Church in America which is one of the many Orthodox jurisdictions throughout the world. We we're at one time a mission jurisdiction of the Russian Orthodox Church which is the same church that is having a bit of a squabble with the church of Constantinople. Both the priests of my church and the local Greek Orthodox Church have advised us that this is to put it rather crudely in my words a cat fight between

[@philmattox8500]

@@silashollis6630 sorry Silas I accidentally hit the send button. To continue this is a squabble between the heads of the Russian Orthodox Church and the Patriarch of Constantinople. I do not hold with the conspiracy theories of the prior respondent but I do believe that the Patriarch of Constantinople may have made a mistake in this case. Well over 300 years ago the church in Ukraine was actually under the jurisdiction of the Patriarch of Constantinople. However the patriarch of Moscow at the time requested that the church in Ukraine come under the authority of Moscow to which request the patriarch of Constantinople gave his blessing. The churches in Ukraine that continue to recognize the jurisdiction of the Patriarch of Moscow are part of an autonomous Church that is self-governing in all areas except that the primate of that church has to be approved by the Moscow Patriarchate. Theoretically this situation means that Greek Orthodox who are under the jurisdiction of Constantinople and Russian Orthodox within the United States that are in communion with the jurisdiction of Moscow cannot take communion at each other's churches. Since Constantinople still considers the OCA as part of the Russian jurisdiction we cannot take communion at a Greek Church. However currently both Greeks and OCA parishioners are still able to take communion at either church.. It is not clear from your post if you are a communicate of one of the Orthodox jurisdictions or another Christian Community. If you are a member of a non-orthodox community please ignore all "hoo-ha" that is going on behind the curtain. I was raised in baptized as a Southern Baptist became a Roman Catholic in college and in the 1980s became Eastern Orthodox. For me I have found that for all its faults I find that I can hear God more clearly as a member of the Eastern Orthodox community even though I believe that God (Father, Son and Holy Spirit) dwells in all Christian communities. By the way, if you are not Orthodox and are interested even if only from a scholarly point of view check out Joshua's to videos on this channel they are both very good. First is Eastern Orthodox and Oriental orthodox where he compares the difference and commonalities between these two orthodox organizations and, Eastern Orthodox and Independent Baptist where he does the same review. Since I have been a communicate of the Southern Baptist as well as the Roman Catholic churches in addition to Orthodoxy I am really impressed by his unbiased presentation of Southern Baptist and Roman Catholic as well as any religious group he reviews. Really this guy is a "just the facts ma'am just the facts" kind of dude.

[@silashollis6630]

@@philmattox8500 thank you Phil. I have been a Baptist almost my entire life. However I have a hard time buying into Calvinism whether it be 4 or 5 point. I also think that a dispensationalism view is incorrect. I have been researching Orthodoxy and will possibly convert. My biggest stumbling block is that I still hold to substitutional attonement. It is my understanding that the Orthodox have a different view of salvation

[@wyllowgrayson8531]

i love your videos joshua, would you consider making one about sedevacantist Catholics?

[@FriarJoe66]

Will we ever get a video on alliance of baptists?

[@Modeltnick]

Baptism method should not be something that divides Christians that want to join a different denomination. Infant baptism is almost always followed by confirmation at an older age. This should be recognized by Baptist churches rather than forcing older Christians on another trip through the baptistery. It really drives a lot of people out of the church.

[@abyssimus]

The Baptist church I grew up in (split between CBF and SBC) largely accepted other methods from other churches. Only time anyone ever called other churches' methods into question was a couple of members trying to get rid of someone who voted in a way they didn't want.

[@Modeltnick]

@@abyssimus Thanks for your response. It’s sad that legalists in the churches can turn away true Christians because of some ritualistic technical issue. I doubt that Jesus himself went around with a litmus test to see if you checked all the boxes. He actually railed against the Pharisees, who were the legalists of the day.

[@broz1488]

An adult filled with the conviction of the Holy Spirit, will sincerely desire to be baptized upon realizing that belief in Jesus is a prerequisite for baptism, an impossibility for an infant to have, thus rendering infant baptism invalid. One cannot confirm something as valid that was invalid to start with. Bottom line, an adult refusing believers baptism cannot under any circumstances be admitted to the Church, nor can they be regarded as Christian. What they do most probably need is an exorcism, for only demonic possession can be behind their refusal to be baptized.

[@RonJohn63]

16:26 All over North Carolina and Greater Lexington KY.

[@JonathanBalmer]

Very surprised to see this: "To a certain extent, our drive to look out for our best interests is part of an evolutionary make up" This quote is cited as Carrie Harris. The picture is my wife, Kendall, from one of the blog posts she wrote...but she wrote on the Apostles Creed *not* evolution for CBF. Full disclosure: my wife and I reveived some scholarship money from CBF during seminary and know many people in CBF. But now we serve as co-pastors at an American Baptist Church on the evangelical end of the denomination - close ties to Northern Seminary.

[@allanmendez5661]

I do have a question for any of my Baptist siblings. How do you handle a situation like this: if you get an individual who has trusted Jesus as savior and wishes to be baptized. However, has a health problems i.e. hearth issues, which prohibits him/her to be fully immersed in water as it can literally cause death to him/her. What mode than do you use to baptize a legitimate believer who has hearth issues that would have serious health even life-threating issues if you submerge him? We literally had two cases like that. Our primary mode is submersion, but in cases like that, we pour water on the head and severe cases sprinkle.

[@abyssimus]

That'd probably depend on the type of Baptist, but (per this very video) CBF would be open to other historical methods. The church I grew up in (split between CBF and SBC) had a long-time and well-loved member who came from a Methodist church, and only a couple of people tried to argue that his infant baptism "wasn't real" (and *only* after he voted in a way they didn't want at a meeting).

[@broz1488]

The elders have a duty to ensure that a candidate for baptism has the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. If the candidate presents evidence of the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, then the mode of baptism is irrelevant. Using the "correct" mode does not result in the indwelling of the Holy Spirit in a candidate without the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, to believe such is the heresy of baptismal regeneration, which is the belief that baptism and not Jesus in the cause of salvation. If a candidate does not present evidence of salvation before baptism, then they cannot be baptized, for the Bible states, believe and be baptized. Baptism is part of one's public declaration of one's faith and belief in Jesus Christ as ones Lord and Savior, and the public acceptance by the Church of the candidate, as one accepted into the Church body as a bother or sister in Jesus with all one's sins forgiven. Thus baptism is a very important and significant occasion for both candidate and Church, of being spiritually joined to the Church as the bride of Christ. The moment from whence a believer will be expected to publicly live a life of obedience to Scripture, as a public witness to their belief in Jesus Christ. The mode is tradition, with submersion based on the Jewish laws of the mikvah, pouring based on the decent of the Holy Spirit on Pentecost, and sprinkling based on the purification ritual for the Tabernacle. If a candidate has not the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, nor is prepared to live their faith publicly, then any mode won't make a difference. If a candidate has the indwelling of the Holy Spirit and will be living their faith as a public witness to Jesus, then the mode is irrelevant. People get so caught up on the correct mode, that they forget the most important part of the baptism, namely, is the candidate a sheep or a goat? That is the only question relevant to baptism.

[@medleysa]

Mode doesn’t matter. What matters is that person’s confession of sin and full trust and submission to Christ. Baptism is important, yea, but the heart change and indwelling of the Spirit is the only piece that truly matters.

[@jgconnelly]

​@@broz1488This 👆🏼 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

[@nathanielhorton52]

The Cooperative Baptist Fellowship follows the four tradional baptist freedoms as presented in "The Baptist Identify: Four Fragile Freedoms" by Walter Shurden: Soul Freedom, Church Freedom, Religious Freedom, and Biblical Freedom. In practice, this means that the CBF is a place for churches to be Baptist. The local church gets to decide what theology they preach, and the individual is free to do the same. There is room for the most fundamentalist church and the most progressive church in the Cooperative Baptist Fellowship. The CBF is cooperative, meaning that despite our differences, we can still fellowship together as baptists.

[@PSL09]

do you have one on the evangelical covenant church

[@ReadyToHarvest]

Not yet!

[@ReadyToHarvest]

Evangelical Covenant Church: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aoDOqWh_lqp-oMk

[@robjackson4050]

can you do a video on jehovah's witnesses or if you have link me to it

[@polemeros]

You might learn some basic search skills. In YT just type in: ready to harvest jehovah's witnesses and voila! there it is. not hard to do.

[@reedermh]

@@polemeros But many of the videos tend to be biased one way or the other. Ready To Harvest is the best when it comes to videos on Christian denominations and groups since Joshua (though personally an independent Baptist) sticks with history and facts and doesn't bias things one way or the other.

[@robjackson4050]

@@reedermh i would have never guessed he was religious he is that unbiased it seems in his videos and honestly i feel even the biggest atheist should watch this channel if they have any intrest in learning about christian beliefs

[@abyssimus]

@@reedermh You've completely missed Polemeros's point: There already is a Ready to Harvest video about the Jehovah's Witnesses. Literally all you have to do is search for "ready to harvest jehovah's witnesses" and the video on this channel will be the first result. Then it's just a matter of not clicking other videos. It doesn't matter what other videos are out there if you do the right search.

[@tayevaughnwilliams431]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/lZi9lml4eNp2l5Y

[@grangermontag1824]

7:50 8:20 Reverend Shraik

[@aftp4i94]

SWJ Baptists. I hear churches professing all sorts of stuff and proclaiming it biblical (if they even proclaim they adhere to the bible at all). I'm not a biblical scholar but I flick through my bible wondering if I'm missing a bunch of pages or maybe they're using some translation I haven't heard of.

[@isanyoneelseheretoday]

Lol 😂 well put.

[@raflz3296]

Go find a non-denominational church with a Pastor who preaches the gospel with truth, passion and power from the Holy Spirit and is obedient to his calling. You can still find one if you hurry and I'm not even kidding. Continue to read and pray without ceasing.

[@gabrieltrifonov9233]

Why are like all the churches in North Carolina, no seriously why.

[@thelasthandbook6704]

16:40 - Those are some of the strangest claims about Hell I think I've ever heard, never mind from self-professed Baptists. I'm now a bit curious what novelties they would bring to their definition of it, in positive rather than negative terms. BTW, when I viewed this episode on my phone I got ads for some sort of horror movie and one for the Diablo series of video games via XBox. Possibly these are ads tailored to me based upon my KZbin viewing history, but if not you might want to contact KZbin if sponsors like this aren't exactly your cup of tea.

[@nicholasshaler7442]

Their lies about hell are very dangerous and simply disprovable. St. Augustine cited many sources and did not use violence.

[@jacobbrenton]

The Illumination Project was so complex. Upon first reading it appears to be more LGBT affirming, but it is paired with an “implementation plan” which states that, at the direction of the executive coordinator, CBF still won’t hire lgbt folks as missionaries or for director-level positions at the global office. In essence, they’re trying to say that the hiring practices of the denomination will still be predominantly non-affirming, but that the Spirit is working through affirming and non-affirming folks. I think that context is really important for understanding just how complex the CBF’s relationship to lgbt Christians has become.

[@jacobbrenton]

@@ReadyToHarvest The Illumination Project has an implementation policy (pages 21 and 22 of the final report) which says that in practice, high level positions in the cbf, and missionaries are still (at the discretion of the executive coordinator) not allowed to be lgbt. This is actually the major sticking point of the illumination project with both progressives and conservatives in the denomination, because the final report both seems affirming, and then immediately continues to be non-affirming in most major hiring decisions. There are lots of baptist news global articles about this from the time. It was a very difficult season in which to be CBF. issuu.com/fellowship/docs/final_report_protected?e=1254077/58247583

[@jacobbrenton]

“Among other qualifying factors, CBF will employ persons for leadership positions in ministry who... practice a traditional Christian sexual ethic of celibacy in singleness or faithfulness in marriage between a woman and a man... CBF is a mission-sending organization relying on more than 100 partners. Our global partners (within and beyond Baptist life) have decisively rejected movement toward hiring or supporting LGBT field personnel or the inclusion of LGBT persons in ordained leadership. This implementation procedure reflects and respects the practices of an overwhelming number of our global partners as well as our congregations and, to this end, CBF will send field personnel... who practice a traditional Christian sexual ethic of celibacy in singleness or faithfulness in marriage between a woman and a man.” Illumination Project report, pages 21 and 22. It’s a really complex report that no one, conservative or liberal was happy with.

[@longstreet2740]

? Illumination Project ?? I'm sure the Illiminati ( or like minded globalists ) have their inluenece in this

[@leullakew9579]

That’s probably because no Baptists denomination, let alone any other Christian denomination in the Global South in their right mind will work or fellowship with them if they’re foreign mission board or their global out reach program hires overtly LGBT open and affirming/ theologically liberal leadership because a lot of Christian denominations in the Global South are theologically conservative and don’t want this heresy to spread amongst their congregations or in their country in general.

[@longstreet2740]

7:00 Salvation is NOT the 'common good' but Individual , to be saved from the Wrath of GOD "Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him." Rom 5:9 The 'common good' will eventually be burned by GOD's Judgement . Sounds like these leaders quoted have never been saved

[@TheMostEccentric]

bro, the verse you quoted literally says “we shall be saved” we is collective, not individual

[@longstreet2740]

@@TheMostEccentric In context 'We' refers to Born Again Believers, not collective humanity

[@Micah4_12]

@@longstreet2740 amen brother

[@sorenpx]

@LONGSTREET I think the confusion comes from the fact that "saved" and "salvation" in the Bible refer to different things in different passages.

[@lorainehitt9977]

I'm sorry, but Jesus warned more about Hell than he preached about Heaven. Unless, those are some of the "malarkey" passages of the Bible.

[@NuncNuncNuncNunc]

Funny, he was very specific about the actions one could take that would land them there, but so many ignore those pesky details, especially those of the Trump Baptist Convention.

[@director365]

I love your channel, but PLEASE speak more slowly! Thanks!

[@novadawg6913]

While spelled “Cairo”, it’s pronounced “K-row”. Go Syrupmakers!

[@stevecoffey4884]

81 percent say women teach and preach

[@NuncNuncNuncNunc]

Not my cup of tea, but at least the CBF made it over the low bar set by the SBC.

[@RyanDavidFerguson]

So what you're saying is...someone called their alliance CBF [couldn't be ****ed] and no one opposed this?

[@isaiahbasaldua924]

They seem like a sensible middle of the road denomination.Which is open to the possibility of change organically. I think CBF understands Christianity is a wide tent grounded in a common mission towards love and Christ. I think this makes it successful compared to other denominations which take hard-line institutional stances. I think Christianity can only serve when the church is open to change not forced or told how to believe. CBF understands the messiness of the church at large. But the key is reconciliation

[@sovereigngracedoctrine5774]

Mat 15:7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying, Mat 15:8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. Mat 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

[@RepublicofE]

"I think that there is a place for women to do more than babysit children in the church nursery." And just like that he reveals his actual contempt for the role of women in the church. Like feminists who claimed to be liberating women started out by degrading motherhood and female domestic roles, those pushing for women's ordination under the guise of being champions for women in the church start by casually dismissing and trampling the vital helpmate role that women in the church play. If you can reduce what women do in orthodox churches to "babysitting in the nursery" then you are no friend of Christian women.

[@thetraditionalist]

"We are neither liberal or conservative" Only has liberal views

[@kellysdad2326]

It's a sad reality that the term 'biblical Christianity' became a denominational-divide!!! When Paul asked the galatian christians whether Christ is divided is true in our period!!! The period where the Bible became academic and left the interpretation to the so-called bible experts...

[@jamesreed5678]

Liberals don't believe in biblical Christianity, even if they claim to. This is why they don't hold to biblical inerrancy.

[@glynnetolar4423]

CBF. A lot of flowery words but basically we believe nothing.

[@Crusader1984]

Women don’t Babysit children during Bible class they are teaching biblical lessons to children

[@stevecoffey4884]

L

[@gokupepper]

So I won’t consider any of those churches to attend.

[@gabrieltrifonov9233]

Why?

[@francisgultimoapilan]

Yes because this is not really church but the group of pagans

[@ericheil991]

Nothing is "moderate" about that denomination.

[@reedermh]

"Aging membership" and "changing culture". Translation: our church membership is a bunch of old white people; our neighborhood is majority-minority, but don't think we want them in our congregation to take what we worked so hard to build!

[@jamesreed5678]

g e n o c i d e by attrition

[@leullakew9579]

Evangelical is a theologically label that most of U.S.-American secular media mistakes for a political ideology due to the Republican Party desperately trying to convince Evangelicals to vote for them in exchange for maintaining socially conservative (cultural conservative) values (which they don’t even do a good job of) and Pew Research Center in their survey data nomenclature reinforcing the false Evangelical vs People of Color (POC) dichotomy where they split Evangelicals (who are multicultural/diverse) into Evangelical (erroneously synonymized with White Evangelical), Black Protestant (combing both Black Evangelicals and Black Mainline Protestants into one undifferentiated category making it difficult for the general public/media to compare without access to raw data due to non-matching variables brought about by not providing data or survey questions differentiating between Black Evangelicals and Black Mainline Protestants although many of the most prominent Historically and Majority Black denominations being Evangelical in theology), and ignoring other POC Evangelicals or combing them with Pew’s mostly White-Normative defined “Evangelical” category. The thing is it’s mostly White Evangelicals that vote Republican (a good chunk of them being conservative on social and economic issues or are single-issue social conservative voters that believe that economic issues take a back seat over social) while Black Evangelicals tend to vote Democratic (although they mostly hold socially conservative values, and theologically conservative beliefs, they tend to be economically progressives because they actively feel the effects of being on the lower end of the socioeconomic totem-pole). If Pew splits the data into White Evangelical, Black Evangelical, Other Evangelical, White Mainline, Black Mainline, Other Mainline, and Confessing Movement and then regrouped White, Black, and Other Evangelicals into the Evangelical category, it would drop the prevalence of Evangelicals voting Republican (Political Conservative) down to an extent within their data because it will correct for the missing Black Evangelical data (that was combined with Black Mainline to create the undifferentiated Black Protestant variable) that voted Democrat (Political Liberal/Progressive).

[@janetreadway181]

CBF is NOT Biblical at all as indicated in this.

[@francisgultimoapilan]

Your right they are pagans

[@Inhumantics]

Glad to have gone to a progressive Baptist church once during Advent. They are not unlike us Congregationalists- just more emphasis on song, which is grande. Most people are not extreme one way or another in their beliefs. Gotta remember that when browsing the comments. Surely some of you are comfortable saying "Yeah, women preach at my church" or "We are concerned about immigrants" or "Racism should not still exist in our midst and is evil".

[@oswaldrabbit1409]

Putting women preaching together with those two others is your mistake here. They're quite clearly different issues.

[@Inhumantics]

@@oswaldrabbit1409 They are different- but not everyone is a "no" on all or any of them. Hence the "or".

[@oswaldrabbit1409]

@@Inhumantics well I would say believing racism should not exist and is evil is something that is critical if one truly wants to be Christlike while I don't think ordination of women is, so I just didn't really like them getting out together.

[@Inhumantics]

@@oswaldrabbit1409 I understand you are reluctant to lump them together. I did more so to show that there are those in the comments who would have different opinions on the above topics. Denominations are not as homogeneous as one may think- as we still have our individual beliefs and opinions, apart from (and sometimes intertwined with) our religious beliefs. The comment section, however, seems to favor one viewpoint for the most part- and it is fine to be among like minds! But it can lead to confirmation bias and lack of growth.

[@leullakew9579]

Conservative Christianity, also known as conservative theology, theological conservatism, traditional Christianity,[1][2] or biblical orthodoxy[3] is a grouping of overlapping and denominationally diverse theological movements within Christianitythat seeks to retain the orthodox and long-standing traditions and beliefs of Christianity, it is contrasted with Liberal Christianity and Progressive Christianitywhich are seen as heterodoxies by theological conservatives.[4][5][6][7][8][9][10][11][12][13][14]Conservative Christianity should not be mistaken as being synonymous with the political philosophy of conservatism nor the Christian right which is a political movement of Christians who support conservative political ideologies and policies within the realm of secular or non-sectarian politics.[15][16][17][2] The two major subdivisions of Conservative Christianity within Protestantism are Evangelical Christianity and Christian Fundamentalism[7][6][18][19][20][21][22][23]but theological conservatism is also found in Roman Catholicism (excluding Catholic Modernism)[24][25] and is also found within Eastern Christianity[26] although neither having a direct connection with the Fundamentalist-Modernist controversy. Evangelical leaders like Tony Perkins of the Family Research Council have called attention to the problem of equating the term Christian right with theological conservatism and Evangelicalism. Although evangelicals constitute the core constituency of the Christian right within the United States, not all evangelicals fit that political description. The problem of describing the Christian right which in most cases is conflated with theological conservatism in secular media, is further complicated by the fact that the label religious conservative or conservative Christian applies to other religious groups who are theologically, socially, and culturally conservative but do not have overtly political organizations associated with some of these Christian denominations, which are usually uninvolved, uninterested, apathetic, or indifferent towards politics.[27][28] Tim Keller, an Evangelical theologian and Presbyterian Church in America pastor, shows that Conservative Christianity (theology) predates the Christian right (politics), and that being a theological conservative didn't necessitate being a political conservative, that some political progressive views around economics, helping the poor, the redistribution of wealth, and racial diversity are compatible with theologically conservative Christianity.[29][30] Rod Dreher, a senior editor for The American Conservative, a secular conservative magazine, also argues the same differences, even claiming that a "traditional Christian" a theological conservative, can simultaneously be left on economics (economic progressive) and even a socialist at that while maintaining traditional Christian beliefs.[2]