WHAT is the MAX RANGE of the FAB-3000 UMPK? - War Thunder

[@jiggaboojones9379]

I cant believe i can eee a weapon like this in use in war thunder then Switch on the news and see it hit ukraine

[@christopherchartier3017]

Yeah, pretty sad

[@watershot5941]

They use it for tactical bombing like military bases, factories, a bridge.

[@mich421]

They gave it wings recently but the bomb has existed since the Second World War.

[@jiggaboojones9379]

@mich421 ye im talking about the UMPK glide it i hope they add it to more bombs in the game

[@jiggaboojones9379]

@mich421 youre explaining an ordnance nerd what a bomb js

[@ak-1271]

A pretty reliable measure is 50km @ 9-10km radar altitude. That thing has around 5:1 gliding ratio according to my tests. Also amazing to use in SB to chuck from a safe distance into the airfields along with Grom-2s.

[@christopherchartier3017]

Why use radar altitude? A Better metric would be your indicated altitude wouldn’t it?

[@contemptordreadnought]

​@@christopherchartier3017 Radar alt is distance above ground. Some maps the ground is at 2000+ m above sea level

[@christopherchartier3017]

@@contemptordreadnought Oh, I was thinking on the flatter test map. Got it

[@alexnovak3319]

how do you destroy their airfields? do you search for specific zones to destroy (runway, fuel storage etc etc...) or do you just drop em like tryna hit a base?

[@deviant256]

fab-3000 with umpk its cool, but i wait for fab-500 and fab-1500 with umpk

[@Teoi20n]

1500B UPAB it's a glide bomb with gnss guidance

[@r3tr0a82]

​@@Teoi20n Just a normal gnss guided bomb

[@Teoi20n]

@@r3tr0a82 nope it's has 20km of range it's a glide bomb with 200sec

[@r3tr0a82]

@@Teoi20n Do you even understand what a glide bomb is? Because according to you, a Paveway is a glide bomb

[@Teoi20n]

@@r3tr0a82 ok champ 👍

[@henri2058]

Still no Grom-1 btw... Gaijin must be smoking something strong.

[@Arrozconpanne]

They really just don't want anybody bombing too effectively

[@Maverick966]

No because Gaijin doesn't want you to bomb bases in air RB just after takeoff and repeat

[@okruby8530]

How would it be fair or balanced for ground? we need better SAM systems before basically adding cruise missiles to the game

[@Arrozconpanne]

@@okruby8530 Ok but the "Cruise Missiles" aren't guided in any way they are basically firing blindly into the dark hoping to something

[@TylerJC40]

@@okruby8530 it wouldn’t do shit in ground because of how obvious it’s launching is and since it don’t track you can just move and not die the reason they won’t add back is because it makes base bombing too easy and gajin doesn’t want that to be easy because it make the grind go quicker and Less painful

[@Gurubashy]

The wait it glides at 7:00 is realistic. I've seen a video on telegram, probably a FAB3000 hitting an ukrainian depot or regroup point and it was having that glide path.

[@Gurubashy]

also don't drop them while climbing, it will only shorten the range. You have to drop them while leveled. That's what every russian jet does on video and I also know that because the Grom 2 also doesn't like being dropped while climbing. The max range is always while leveled.

[@FlamingF18s]

4:18 and you know what else is massive?

[@19muhammadalimoula88]

the low taper fade meme

[@therealspeedwagon1451]

So it’s basically the FAB-5000 of the Pe-8 but at top tier and remotely guided

[@Goekcan7]

How's the Grind going boys?

[@wardogleader3200]

Didn't get the Jas-39C UK yet neither the F-4F ICE, So Typhoon still far away from me, im going straight for the Rafale so, and anyway i always have been a french main. Algo i need that F-15E/I 2

[@FutureGohanGlazer]

US fully done 3 days after F-15E got added since that was the last US plane i got and Su-27SM i unlocked in early november and 2 days ago eurofighter in Italy unlocked and yesterday i got mirage f1c

[@asuchanowo]

I got the adats :3 But how is your grind going?

[@dorbrend8922]

I got the Dassault Rafale 😎🤌🏻💥

[@Goekcan7]

@@asuchanowo Quite Ok, i grinded the F104 and F-4F today on the German tree. Im halfway on the F-4F KWS so i hope the Grind stops soon. Atm i am Zombing around whit the Tornado IDS whit 1 or 2 Plane kills per round. BTW: i gave up on the US Tech Tree because the Grind isn't fun anymore whit the F-4 and i lost extremely on my Aim to Grind whit the F5 Missile Age i guess lol

[@tjbartlett2675]

This has made sim very lucrative

[@vitoringlez4820]

With this you're able to destroy 3 bases in arb, 6 groms plus this one is huge for grind. And dont even need to climb that much, 4000~5000m is enough, they glide a lot

[@AZ-dj1ni]

How many Grom2 for a base? 3? I know the 3000 alone can destroy 1

[@vitoringlez4820]

@AZ-dj1ni yes, 3 is enough to take out 1 base

[@tyster5228]

The PE8 of top tier

[@husik2137]

this map is as massive as low taper fade

[@watershot5941]

Would love to see Ukraine map added in war thunder to feel the realism.

[@TylerJC40]

Good luck with that wish

[@watershot5941]

@@TylerJC40 Would probably be added in 2025

[@watershot5941]

@@TylerJC40 I want to see Kursk map too.

[@TylerJC40]

@ modern Kursk you mean because we already have it in game it’s the fire arc map

[@watershot5941]

@@TylerJC40 The WW II one

[@og5462]

Dp you get 5k ge per month or just 10k ge ones?

[@Nero-Caesar]

I wish I was high enough to play this

[@thesawtoothdude]

What about AGM-130

[@sgtobliteratorgaming317]

when we get into the realm of like AIM-120Ds or AIM-120C-5, what will they do for aircraft like the F-15E, which to my knowledge can carry them. Are they going to add a new F-15E variant that is capable of carrying them, or will they constantly increase its BR with every missile added to it?

[@asellusaustralis261]

F-15E - AIM-120C-5 F-15E (late) AIM-120C-7 F-15E (very late) AIM-120D-(3?) F-15E (too late) some prototype whatever Raytheon is developing

[@RogueBeatsARG]

Shup up bro they gonna nerf it... aa no its russian

[@leventeszekely8804]

Fulcrum and flanker fm:

[@devisucarlo7922]

Grom 1:

[@nikolaideianov5092]

​@devisucarlo7922 The reason why they were removed is air rb and sim do you really think gaijin will allow people to bomb bases almost effortlessly?

[@fqeagles21]

@@nikolaideianov5092what are they gonna do when LRASM JASOW JASSM comes?,same for Russian long range missiles

[@devisucarlo7922]

@@nikolaideianov5092 They could've make the rp and sl rewards from the bases destroyed by grom 1 to have less multipliers.

[@Peter_Soma]

Video posted 6 seconds ago?

[@Peter_Soma]

Yt defenetly knows when to reccomend what.

[@WildChannel-t3p]

How far does gbu 39 fly?

[@zbee-nah-lah]

what the hell is even that

[@Lambrolevelup]

70km chill

[@porcupine.the.gamer.1]

im the second person to watch great vids!!!!! keep up the good work

[@Ang41256]

hello!

[@panzersinternetadventures2178]

tree

[@xyz-hj6ul]

50-60km JDAMSKY-ER Mach .75. 140km Patriot PAC-2 GEM-T Mach 3.9 Who hits first? Su-34 do not have variable geometry inlet ramps and their engines are _low tuned_ to achieve 700 knots in TFR. At the high altitudes of 15,000m used for maximum glide range, they are very much lacking in Ps, compared to the Su-30SM or Su-35. Which is why this- SAMbushing The Hell Duck kzbin.info/www/bejne/mIHcoHuhZtydf80 Is such a sleigh ride down the Eiger. He _has to_ get back to low level, where he can start to put G on the jet. And the missiles are moving so fast that it's six of one, half a dozen of another whether they will cut him off before he gets there. Instead, the Fullbacks come in low, pop up to 7,000m, and release with a 15-25km downrange. Numbers are better for the UMPK-1500 and especially the UMPK-500, with the aircraft carrying three of the 3,000lb bombs on the inner wing and centerline and four of the 1,100lb bombs on the mid and inner wing stations. These are the 70-80km bombs. By contrast, according to Ukrainian sources, you can sometimes see the UMPK-3000 release. The bomb blast graphic is very poor by the way. The blast bubble is enormous, especially in the wet air of fall and spring where the shock wave is visible for miles. Easily passing a kilometer in diameter as indicative of the actual destruction mechanism of the aluminum/TNT (Tritonal), high brisance, mix. It's almost a thermobaric. FAB-3000 Detonation kzbin.info/www/bejne/jZK5aXx5oNuiecU The problem with WT is that most players do not follow military tactics and are so fanatically arcade/tournament LER driven in their gameplay that things like proper weaponeering and conservation of limited smart munitions in a player bomb dump simply never enter into consideration as far as tactics and achievement of mission goals. Thus you have UMPK-3000 being used on individual vehicles for giggle factor while they would normally be reserved for employment against buried command posts and strongpoints. So that enemy unit coordination breaks down across a broad area and/or ATGM and Drone sniping on a vehicle assault is less severe. This is a horrific weapon, but it does have proper employent doctrine for those cases when it is useful.

[@VIT-ey8wo]

Well SAMs seem to be less of an issue now. Since most seem to have caught their share of iskanders(production is stupidly low, and the few remaining probably just sit in Kyiv).

[@xyz-hj6ul]

​@@VIT-ey8wo HiMADS DCA is doomed to fail sir. Short of Nuclear Nike Hercules, you are never going to win the cost exchange ratio on his Iskander, which can drop down low and come in from an offset. TBM : SAM site games with a system as slow to displace as Patriot is always going to favor the counterbattery shooter. Maybe if we had a bunch of truck mounted MEADS systems with radio datalinks and the ability to illuminate from here, shoot from waaaaay over there, you might at least conserve the system vehicles. But in truth the Soviet radio electronic combat teams would just jam it all white, as soon as it came up and started talking to itself. Comparatively, the Iskander doesn't have much activity indicator and almost always has an ADV for every launcher group of two TELs. As soon as they get a launch order it's elevate and fire before shoot and scoot, back into the bushes. I don't think they even use radar for the met survey anymore. At one time, I thought we had the FOPEN to track that kind of activity from Overhead. Not so sure anymore as the Iskander can launch, fly dogleg and then come up through the clouds on a different heading. To do hard kill BMD, you need to have air sitting ontop of the launch areas with something like a DAS to track the launch at a fairly low squint and cue a high partner to GMTI the missile truck as it's hustling for the high weeds. Then you either do BPI/API or kill the TEL. Getting the Su-34s is much the same: forward presence OCAing on their side of the FLOT or border, before they get fast and with their Su-35 escorts caught flat footed. Here, frankly, I would prefer a Blk.V Tomahawk through the HAS roof or into the revetment and that means speeding up serial build of Typhon launchers. Something which we don't have very many of, even today. Either way, the war was pretty much done and dusted when we didn't preemptively jump in with a couple SBCTs and the NATO High Readiness Force to essentially meet the Russians, tank vs. tank, at the border while tacair flowed in, behind. It's a psychology game at that point. Go ahead and come, we're here and waiting. As soon as we became reactive to Putin's first move it became a nuke vs. train problem of getting enough armor, far enough forward, to make a speedbump fight of it, bunching their road columns while protecting enough EAF airbases, in Ukraine, with what has turned out to be a disappointingly low inventory of PAC-3MSE. So that we could flood sorties through the FEBA and just keep forcing them to mass to dislodge the armor and hitting them with SFW JSOW or even just plain Mavericks and HARM. Apparently, the Saudis got a bundle of our deployment kit Patriots when they and the Houthis locked horns and the latter started messing with the big east:west pipeline out to SARAB. For unknowable reasons, we just never ramped up the line at Raytheon to make up the drawdown from stocks. Hard to imagine, with the defense budgets we've been running. Spice Must Flow, I guess... Whether it was a coordination or logistics problem, (Biden/Harris both sure as hell advertised what we were thinking at the NATO minister's meeting...) the Russians got first draw and from there we would have had to break into the theater from the Polish/Rumanian side of the wire with only roughly 4 hardened MOBs from which to sortie and that would have likely meant a full-on NATO/Russia war with nuclear tipped Iskanders to follow shortly after we started treating Ukraine like Laos out of Thailand. The alternative was (apparently) drip feed and, without some serious war-planning as senior field leadership, running a battlefield along the lines of an active defense/raiding posture. We could not contain the Russians, even in the Donbas. The latter required mass production and early expediting of APS systems to keep the fight armored and mobile in the face of mass Russian ATGW and Drone attacks. Without that ability to push their lines and with the Kiev leadership, the fight was doomed to a caviar tastes, ramen noodle budgeted outcome. I will always wonder what might have happened if we had gone in, airmobile, with SOF, while the Surovikin line was still under a million mines and three belts of defense. Tear that line of contact open like a bandaid off a bloody wound and just keep ripping gaps and taking down engineering gear until the front was more open for a followon spring offensive with a little heavier force construct. We would have still had to deal with their artillery but at least it would have been a maneuver fight rather than a slugging match. Sure killed a lot of Ukrainians for nothing. That place is going to be a mess for a century.

[@unclenels7742]

The S-500 will be faster, son.

[@xyz-hj6ul]

​@@unclenels7742 Not sure if this answers your assertion or not but- Here. We. Go. The thing about the 77N6 is that it's going to likely be costed somewhere between the MIM-104F and MIM-401 that's a pretty wide splay of say 4-12 million dollars per round. Target value is going to have to be pretty high to justify the engagement. With only two shots per TEL and only 4 on the 40N6 of the late mod S-400, speed doesn't seem to be as much of a factor as risk. I have heard, rumor mill grind of about 2.5 on the coffee to bullshit ratio, that Buk M3 is Mach 8.8 (intercept) capable and is, in fact, used to knock down PAC-3MSE. Literally as they fire at UMPK carrying Su-34s they are counter effectored by a fly swatter SA-27 battery team. Target Acquisition Radar hands off to the TELAR which datalinks to the oppsed TELAR which shoots silently, based on whoever is staggered formation closer to bearing. Yet the Buk-M3 also has twelve shots on a self-designating mobile TELAR and an effective operational range under 100km. Probably under 75. So, it needs to have numbers (3+TAR) to get the job done because it's likely going to be ducking and dodging whatever is fired back at it. Even just artillery. Especially if you only have 2 missiles per TEL, do you honestly want to be risking a 1.25 billion dollar battery that close to the FEBA? So, what happens is, you standoff with your F-35 section and play SIAW games with the frontal defenses. Scoot the Raptors across very high or very low to get depth and then fire snap up or lofted JATM shots into...whatever A-50 orbit or Su-57 base you are actually BARCAPing for and the push the big money chips into the other targets, with a mix of JASSM or TLAM or LRSO and ADM-160 (MCALS from a C-17, 300nm back, under 1,500ft AGL) and dare the IAMDS to discriminate the 10ft decoy from the 14-20ft cruise. On the backfoot as their radars go down. In all likelihood, the IAMDS will probably just have a hog-wild threshold range, after which they go for anything that moves. So you've got between 48-64 48N6 per battery and maybe some 40N6 (SARH TVM vs. Active) and you're facing 20+ SIAW and a mix of 50+ decoys and 100+ ALCM/SLCM. The HiMADS gets ~40-60% of these and then the Pantsirs (if present) open up on the survivors. Total shoot down is 80% with an SSPK averaging around 55-40% split between HiMADS and MSAM or SHORADS. A _lot_ of shots are expended in the terminal phase which means your goalkeeper saturation is going to be pretty heavy when the Tomahakws start dumping expendables and/or running jammer cell and switchback tactics. 170 X .80 = 34 shots over the base fence. If two thirds of those are BGM/UGM-109s that's probably 23 revetment or ramp targets hit. Which is considerable damage because the Russians don't have a HAS system (neither do we for wont of the arrogance that nobody will strike CONUS, but Russia is 'living in the rough neighborhood'). Now, multiply this by 3, on the basis of the two of four SSGNs launching all of their 154 odd missiles. Tomahawks are actually 1,100nm ranged weapons, MALD is something like 500 in the decoy and 250 in the jammer. And, of course, nothing says that they have to come from the same axis. Only coordinate within a given area. Twenty three times three is Sixty Nine tactical airframes lost. That's a big bite out of Russian tacair in the Ukrainian theater, even if you spread it out between Su-30/34/35 and MiG-31s, evenly. And it further assumes that the Raptors are fuel critical and get nothing at all while the JSFs do not flow forward through the holes they made and raise their own Caine. Setup is everything, the Russians do some pretty cool stuff with passive/active integration and I'm not saying it will work that way. NATO doesn't have me on their list for an EOB map every Tuesday. What bothers me is what happens when the Russians stop being reasonable. When they realize they've lost too much to still win or even hold and decide not to take the L and start talking negotiated withdrawal. At this phase, there is absolutely nothing to say they have to be reasonable because The West has not been. As so you put aa nuke over Kiev, an Orezhnik over Minsk Mazowiecki, Poznan, Malbork and Lask as the primary hardened, fighter fields. And send a private communique to Berlin, Paris and London _stating not asking_ 'Which flavor I-scream would you like?'. Making it clear that every Capital in Europe will be destroyed if ALL of NATO does not leave Ukraine in the next four days. And sending a separate telegram to the U.S. which states: 'And if a single further warhead, coventional or nuclear, explodes over Russian territory, a full release of the Russian strategic land based deterrent force will be directed at the U.S., no further warnings.' You absolute can win the initial OCA/DEAD, Air Supremacy, battle and lose the war. And yet, if you don't begin that battle which seizes air dominance over Ukraine, you will not stop them from losing the ground war, regardless. UMPK doesn't change this. But it does accelerate its pace towards the abyss. Because even though they will not cease to exist as Russia certainly will, if they yield Ukraine to NATO, the global blowback from all the sanctions and the effects of shattered trade partnerships with Russia for energy, food and materials, will cause The West to be _despised_ and all but guarantee the rise of BRICS as an alternate, strictly neutral, trading coalition where all parnter states are equal members. And because they know they've fucked up so abysmally, the EU and U.S. political classes may simply grab that ball, duck their heads and try to force this thing through, anyway. This is not The Great Game as some kind of Sport Of Kings. This is people who have way too much power already, putting at risk the lives of those who are just unfortunate enough to live under the same hypocenter. And they should be stripped of office and put to the noose for the needless risks they are setting before humanity. Nothing less will teach the lesson of self as mission to the elites. That they are but transient caretakers for the civilizational construct of man, not team captains for some kind of bogus death sport olympics or religious crusade.

[@BaumKosinus]

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[@jobob2644]

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[@mainhalo117]

Womp womp. Watch on 2x speed if your short attention span can’t handle it

[@Corefailure24]

No umpk 1500s 😢