What is the Name of Sonic's World?

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Earth? Mobius? One World? Two Worlds? The name of Sonic's planet (and just how many he has) is a surprisingly loaded topic, but one that finally has some definitive answers. Kinda. Let's get into it.
Thank you again to ‪@ChannelPup‬ for editing this weird video!

[@wakeangel2001]

I always liked the idea that Mobius was a slight nod to a mobius strip, you know, that loop with a twist in it so it only has one side. Since space is warped and time is bendable in so many Sonic games it's cute to name it after the 1 sided strip

[@amesstarline5482]

Now if only Moebius was called Klein, after another one-sided/unusual shape.

[@reneethefox4797]

Fun fact, the name Mobius comes from a mistranslation of Yuji Naka (I think it was him) talking about Sonic 2. He said something like "worlds with Mobius Strips" referencing the Mobius Strip like set piece in Emerald Hill, but it got mistranslated as "Mobius World".

[@aug.6259]

Morbius*

[@gafhs1235]

@@aug.6259 “it’s morbin time”

[@xaviersmith957]

Holy fuck I never put that together. 😮

[@haveacalmheart3010]

My headcannon (for one planet) is that Mobians call the planet Mobius and humans call it Earth. Sonic and his friends flip flop with these words as they hear both from both sides.

[@ianemmanuel5361]

I have the same idea.

[@zocialix]

Literally none of the characters ever in any of the official games created by SEGA ever once reference the world as: 'Mobius.' This was a dumb mistranslation of Yuji Naka talking about Mobius Strips likely referring to Sonic's running animation at the time.

[@Inactivechannel-r6]

@@zocialix it’s just a headcanon, calm it

[@juicebox7372]

@@zocialix Do you not know what headcannon means?

[@ScuttleBugReal]

@@juicebox7372 of course, it’s when you have a cannon on your head

[@VincentEternal]

I think humans existing alongside sonic and his friends on the same planet is much better than them being separated. It makes the world much more interesting and it’s way cooler that things like Station square and green hill can exist in the same world. I’m glad they confirmed it was just one planet because it’s much more interesting then the two sides of the world being separated.

[@aubreytracey5396]

But the Moon…

[@alchemistofsteel8099]

Yeah humans and animals living together makes the world seem bigger

[@ashuraomega7113]

@@aubreytracey5396 the Moon is still destroyed as iizuka has confirmed that it's actually facing the other way which is bullshit but there's you're answer.

[@ashuraomega7113]

I mean it actually would make sense if it was established earlier on like it was in Sonic x.

[@aubreytracey5396]

@@ashuraomega7113 wow

[@isaiahallen8199]

Two words: Mobius Archipelago. Tailstube mentioned that "folks like [Sonic and Tails]" (AKA Mobians) live on smaller islands like South and Westside. Why not have those kinds of islands under the Mobius name? That way, Sega can use the terms relating to Mobius without retconning Earth.

[@dug1115]

That's my head cannon too, glad people are talking about it.

[@coltonk.3086]

That has a nice ring to it!!! South, west, angel, and whatever else islands would be neat!!

[@superthorc6894]

Same headcannon, it's the best compromise here

[@extremmefan7305]

I always figured that was the case; in that sense, it'd be because different cultures are calling the planet different things, which would make sense inuniverse without sacrificing either side. It may simply be retranslated back and forth depending on the media.

[@overthinkingintrovert]

That's a really good take, I'm headcannoning that now.

[@revolution4122]

Sonic's world is called "his world", where life is strong.

[@BitchChill]

In his world, compromise does not exist

[@Marc-rw3dd]

@@BitchChill funny cus you gotta do a lotta compromise to make Sonic's canon make sense

[@BitchChill]

@@Marc-rw3dd In his world, life's an open book

[@CoralCopperHead]

@@BitchChill In this world of worlds, every step meets the rest.

[@HogBurger]

@@BitchChillI guess you could say that every step…meets the rest..

[@Magicghost23]

A real down to earth conversation.

[@soupbane1688]

an ironic comment considering your username is Moon

[@kiricappuchin]

Or Down-to-Mobius

[@ShaggyGaming69]

😂 moment

[@piranhalettuce]

Real Bottom Text

[@humanityisnotbeautiful1941]

Man, I sure do love the planet Morbius.

[@lowqualityvideos8091]

it's mobin time

[@benraven9087]

Probably the reason we'll never see the Mobius used again, cause people are going to think of either that crappy movie or an overused meme.

[@LannyLeArtist]

Same

[@magolormemes7519]

Morbians

[@SlugOnTub]

i loved the part where sonic got up and said "ITS MOBIN' TIME" and proceded to mobius all over the bad guys

[@raymondtillotson6985]

Since we have a Little Planet established in the game lore, I think it would make sense to call Sonic's world Big Planet. (It's Big the Cat's world, we just run on it)

[@CptJistuce]

You are a genius.

[@theonewhowatches869]

The two main reasons to novelize a movie (beyond having another product to sell) are increase accessibility, since for one reason for another some people just can't go see a movie or buy the home release , but can buy a book, and to expand on the story, movies' ability to tell their stories are limited by runtime, novelizations don't have that limitation and can include scenes and or details that couldn't make it into the movie, as well as expand on and elaborate on what was in the movie.

[@33pandagamer]

Ok, but why do they make comic book versions of movies?

[@theonewhowatches869]

@@33pandagamer about the same reason really, you don’t get as much of the expansion on the story usually, but you get the advantage of regaining a visual element.

[@sboinkthelegday3892]

Literary art is its own legitimate form of adaptation, even as YA novels for simple reading, it's all for the purpose of expanding your tastes even a little bit over time, like all human growth in all fields. And by that same token to the OPPOSITE, the only reason to wait for the audio-visual version would be if you're not only a child, but determined to STAY on that level, like "I'm NEVER going to appreciate the spoken word, and I' proud to be an elitist to the tune of that". Sad thing is I bet these people haven't even seen movies like Babel, that does have it's ways to communicate higher conepts in audio-visual form. So they don't have media literacy in words OR in visuals. I mean, it's fine I guess, but if you would read horribly written books like Harry Potter with any understanding about what makes a mind beatiful and nuanced and open, you could spare yourself a lot of headache when you'd notice it was missing since book one. The whole book reads dry like a wiki summary, and the average action film is just the audio-visual equivalent of the same thing, so it's no wonder when it turns out to be produced by characters like Harvey Weinstein. They are reflections of how the author COMMUNICATES ideas, and that communication is who they REINFORCE bad ideas back to themselves in their minds. It SHOWS, when you have NEVER IN YOUR LIFE conversed with a diverse cast of people from various walks of life and understood their persepctives.

[@Scroteydada]

I like the idea that the name Mobius still exists in Sonic's world - but it's only known to historians and used by the smaller - more fantastical communities like Kokos and echidnas and the like. We already kinda have that for Gaia.

[@mannythemaniac1009]

Light Gaia called it Earth, though

[@Scroteydada]

@@mannythemaniac1009 I mean in that there are ancient things about the planet that few know about

[@mannythemaniac1009]

Ah, okay.

[@jettvalen7326]

That'd be a really clever way of including it honestly.

[@LoliconSamalik]

@@mannythemaniac1009 Probably gotta check the japanese script for that. Many times, things get mistranslated or "localized" into english.

[@Cremotor]

Like others have said, I like the current version of Sonic's world, where the continents are inhabited by humans while the animals mostly live on those smaller islands. That's really how it always was, they just stopped with that during the meta era cause Sega was afraid of using humans again and wanted to focus more on the "classic" animal side of things cause thats what the classic games were

[@DaNintendude]

Mario's world is just called "Earth." Some fans have nicknamed it the "Mushroom World" although, that gets confusing when you consider that the setting of SMB3 is ALSO called the Mushroom World, and it's just a collection of 7 small kingdoms within the larger Mushroom Kingdom. I don't think it's ever been called "Mario's World." I'm pretty sure it's just called Earth whenever it's mentioned. Edit: Some more fan stuff! Odyssey finally confirmed that Mario's planet is separate from ours. But there are still a handful of spin-offs from the early days that have Mario visiting real-world earth. Most recently, Mario Kart Tour and Mario Kart 8's Booster Course Pass have featured tracks based on real world locations. Some fans have nicknamed real-world earth "Tour earth," since in modern contexts we mostly just see it through tracks in Mario Kart Tour. Meanwhile Mario's planet is "Mario Earth" or "M-Earth."

[@Geobot3000]

When did odyssey ever confirm this?

[@sonickhable]

@@Geobot3000 they're prolly referencing how the world map is different from ours

[@RobertGarcia-wo8ez]

@@Geobot3000 idk but you do go to peachers castle

[@evdestroy4121]

I have literally never heard anyone call it the Mushroom World

[@kirbytails7790]

IDT Mario's planet called earth,mario and Luigi,and all new donk city definitely come from other planet,not only them, humans in Pokémon,f_zero Had you noticed that none of those games show the earth from real life, only, one game did and trust me what's happened to it in this game,has connect with the other games,and that's game that real earth appeared is Kirby 64: the crystal shards, obviously we talk about shiver star

[@breadsticks6712]

Personally, one planet where Sonic and his friends co-existing with humans sounds super interesting. Great video, and that transition from Earth to Mobius with Seascape playing was phenomenal.

[@HybridAngelZero]

While I've had a preference for the series just taking place on a single world called "Earth" since even before Sega officially confirmed it, I have learned to appreciate almost all of the different versions of Sonic's story that have been told through the years, I think they're all important, and little acknowledgements in the games' canon always makes smile. I'm definitely hoping Mr. Flynn can push Sega to let Spinball be canon.

[@HeavyRaiden]

But wouldn't that make the freedom fighters canonical too? As they appear in that game

[@HybridAngelZero]

@@HeavyRaiden I do wonder if that has something to do with it, to be honest xD But the mountain itself is in Sonic Origins, so that seems to imply Spinball at least could happen

[@ShinigamiSamaH]

I like the idea that past humans call the planet as Gaia while on Sonic's side they called it Mobius. Then generations pass and both sides start interacting with each other, so now they all just agreed to call it Earth for better communication.

[@WebstersYouTube]

I also grew up with Mobius. The Fleetway comics, AoStH, so on and so forth. Fleetway had Earth as a separate planet, so when Sonic X rolled around, that made sense to me. Like you, I'm fine with the one world thing. I can accept the anthros live on the smaller islands while the humans live on the main continent explanation. It's just nice to see Sega acknowledge it and give a clear answer.

[@vladniculescu1772]

I can believe Sonic lives in the same world as Morbius.

[@thesockdrawer1680]

The way I like to think of things is that Mobius is a continent *on* Earth, home to the various islands where all our beloved rainbow rodents live. The reason the islands are so fantastical and radically different from the rest of the world is because of the influence of the Chaos Emeralds. Simple, coherent.

[@kraikein]

I should mention that the Sonic movie’s novelizations do make their ways into the film canon. For example, when Sonic does his little glowy blue energy, it was referred to as Chaos Energy. Now the author did admit this was meant to be nothing more than an Easter egg initially, but it did make it into the movies, as the energy Sonic, Knuckles and Robotnik (when he gets the Master Emerald powers) use is referred to as Chaos Energy. So in theory it could in the future be name dropped in the movies. Also in regards as to why films have novelizations, can be a good way to include scrapped content, or alternate scenes, as well as generally being used to market the film’s release. Probably a good example is Godzilla King of the Monsters novelization that had a whole scene with Kong that according to Michael Dougherty is meant to be canon to the films.

[@bakedbeans5494]

The comics are not canon.

[@GordanTheToad]

As a huge star wars fan I've just started reading The Phantom Menace novelization and it really helps give me insight into the characters actions and thinking. It even added extra scenes, characters, and lore such as a Sith war and the creation of the rule of two. So I personally think film novelizations are wonderful works that have their own place. I think novelizations and books in general allow the use our imagination that should be written of as inferior just because they're not a visual peice of media.

[@geoffreyrichards6079]

@@bakedbeans5494 Technically, there is no definitive canon since there exist so many alternate iterations of the franchise. Heck, not even all the games are canon - some were outright retconned or erased entirely.

[@bakedbeans5494]

@@geoffreyrichards6079 Stop talking like an ignorant developer. Sonic the Hedgehog is a video game series. Any comic books or TV shows based of the hedgehog cannot be canon towards the games. As it goes, any Sonic game that isn't a spin-off is canon.

[@geoffreyrichards6079]

@@bakedbeans5494 Then how do you explain games like "Shadow the Hedgehog" and "Sonic Battle" then? They're both spinoff titles, and yet they all form parts of the narrative that "Sonic Heroes" concluded on. Same with the "Rush" and "Rivals" games since... well, how else would you explain Blaze and Silver being present when their only "canon" game appearance up till "Generations" has been in 06? A game that the developers seem reluctant to acknowledge and was removed in-universe.

[@someoneyoudontknow3257]

"Citizens of Earth, I am Dr Eggman." -Dr Eggman during his reveal of the Eclipse Cannon in Sonic Adventure 2

[@YungandRekless545]

Doesn't matter if Archie Sonic's lore has stuff like "chaos energy, gods, and the after life," as long as it's told well. Though to be fair, a lot of it wasn't told very well until Ian Flynn came around and started cleaning up the lore.

[@ToaArcan]

The games also have chaos energy, gods, and some kind of afterlife, considering that Sonic knows what Hell is. As much as some SEGA purists might hate to see it, Enerjak fits right in alongside Chaos, the Gaias, and the Solaris duo.

[@ashuraomega7113]

@@ToaArcan didn't realize not many people liked Enerjack I thought he was just fine the only problem is that he belongs to penders so he'll never become Canon.

[@jurassicarkjordanisgreat1778]

"cleaning up the lore" you mean getting rid of the last remnants of US sonic and making it into the Japanese canon

[@sboinkthelegday3892]

But that's jsut not what Sonic IS. That's all western insert to copy derivative western inspirations. And THE REALLY awkward insistence that, because people heard it once in Archie comics, now they can't buckle an inch from "believing" it, like that's how they would write history as well: never admit to mistakes, and always stand by the Bible. Not a good attutude to HAVE, or train yourself to think like. But, case in point in favor of that, Splatoon does the exact same thing, and it's purely Japanese (if you would make that iffy argument about... race of whatever). Just literalize the "moebius" world as future earth, when clearly, it does not follow any of real earth's basic elements. I mean it just becomes a CARTOON world that could NEVER be the future of this reality, and can't retain the kind of plausible tone that kind of serious take kinda assumes. At that point, why even do it? And just using English words like "hell" doesn't mean anything, because West is so backwards they wouldn't HAVE a word for many of the things that are common phrases in other languages. Think about ALL the idiomatic phrasing, do you also take the term "mofo" literally and pretty much EVERYONE has a lot of common with Chris Chan in USA? No, they just have to shorten it "hell" because that's the turn of phrase that American AUDIENCES understand. The japanese/Korean "jigoku" isn't even nearly the same place as the hebrew Gehenna where "hell" comes form. And it's not even an "afterlife" in Judaism, it was a literal thing. However, Infinite directly references Eggman trying to beat Sonic "for years", so that's proof that Eggman and sonic anthros are aware of span of time that they are not directly bound to, because they live "for years" while growing at most a year or two. This means, they are aware of relative passing of time the same way we are aware of 2-dimensional strips of land we walk on.

[@YungandRekless545]

@@ToaArcan Too bad Penders pulled a Penders and ruined much chance of that happening.

[@Celtic1020]

11:20 sometimes the novels have deleted or alternate scenes which are very interesting. A good example of this is the Spider-Man 3 novel which contains a deleted alternate death for Venom. Very brutal.

[@rayvenkman2087]

Novelizations usually are written from an earlier draft of the script. Doctor Who famously made use of them in the Target adaptations during the 1970's and 1980's for the 1960's stories that weren't commonly available on home media or were lost with Tomb of the Cybermen being thought lost til the episodes were found in Hong Kong. Stories like Ghostlight from Season 26 has a novelization where it was made more clear on what was going on than the broadcasted story due to the editing job that left it a story which is somewhat hard to follow for a number of people. Or in the cases of Red Dwarf, they'd completely change up how the stories flows in the novels.

[@J.R.Unbound]

I think we should reach a compromise. Mobiearth's world.

[@Magicghost23]

It’s Mobius time

[@Edsh4rd]

I remember reading a long time ago that Earth was always what the planet was in the Japanese canon since Sonic 1, so I’ve always stuck with that notion. Games like SA2 mentioning Earth multiple times just reinforced that idea, so even as a kid I never considered Mobius canon. I’m honestly okay with Unleashed making it a fantasy version of Earth with made up continents because it works well for the world they established.

[@CptJistuce]

The original JP manual for Sonic 1 makes no mention of the planet's name. I doubt that it was actually specified originally, because it was clearly a fantasy zone with no connection to reality, and it didn't MATTER what the inhabitants called their world. The only location that needed a name was South Island, because that's where the game happened. To a degree, the stages needed names, but... I'm not convinced those are all carrying their actual names. Scrap Brain Zone is definitely carrying the name of Robotnik's fortress, the Scrap Brain(this is in the JP manual). Green Hill Zone sure, EVERYONE has a place named Green Hill. But Marble Zone? I refuse to believe there's a place just named Marble(and also refuse to believe that every location name actually ends in "zone"). It is actually odd that Sega America DID specify a name for the planet... though it was the 90s, sci-fi was cool, and there's no faster way to establish you're IN SPACE than saying the game's set on an alien planet. If you don't make sure everyone knows he's an alien, then Sonic's just some lame-o cartoon character for kids, and we can't have that.

[@M_Alexander]

Sonic lives in the Zone Zone

[@LateNightHalo]

I prefer Sonic’s world being called “earth” Never personally liked Mobius. I always associated it with the weird Western shows and Ken Penders did further harm to the name which made me permanently soured on it. I’ll never like the name Mobius for Earth in sonic

[@spongebobfan78]

Honestly, the moon thing and the two-worlds thing is only an issue because people kept asking Iizuka, who isn't even the one who is in charge of the lore, and was basically forced to answer even if he has no complete knowledge of it. The fact that, until the Frontiers interviews, the fanbase basically despised him for this is just pathetic.

[@CptJistuce]

I'm not convinced Sega actually HAD anyone in charge of the lore for a long time.

[@jaredtherock5692]

Still really like the idea that Sonic's Earth-World-Mobius is at the very least just one world. I do like the idea that it's a very very big world though, because even though it's called Earth, not one Sonic game is consistent enough to have enough realism to make it look remotely close to any Earth we know. I like Sonic sometimes

[@MrSafior]

No, it's limit the potential narrative and in recent iteration of the franchise, the only important human that aren't Robotnik, is the live action movie and they have a separated world.

[@TheRealDustinNunn]

In Japan, Sonic's home planet is just called Sonic's World. Outside of Japan, we Sonic fans know it by the name Mobius.

[@meganshaw1949]

I’ve always liked the fact that in the comics, that Möbius was formally Earth as it proves that much like our own planet, that it has a past which isn’t always kept well- intact. There are objects and reminders that are left-over from a former existence that’s barely remembered or acknowledged anymore. And that’s cool because it gets the characters thinking and talking.

[@benraven9087]

I actually prefer the one world, because while two worlds explains some things, it just causes way more problems and gives Sega an excuse to never touch humans again.

[@littenfire3563]

2:42 I always figured it was Earth. The Adventure Era, which is an expansion on the OG Sonic games, never referred to Sonic's home planet as Mobius. That was only in the cartoons. And I hate the 2 worlds crap. Sonic living alongside humans is just less complicated than Sonic switching to two different worlds. It's fine for the movies and Sonic X though.

[@CptJistuce]

It wasn't only in the cartoons. Mobius was in the Genesis instruction manuals, as well as Sega America's official series bible. It was Mobius in the cartoons and comics because Sega told them to call the planet Mobius. (This was likely done to intentionally give the game a hint of sci-fi flavor, so everyone knew Sonic was a radical alien from space and not a lame-o talking animal like some Disney cartoon for little babies. The 90s were weird, man.)

[@Tycitron6000]

Honestly i just like the name Mobius for the planet, it just sounds alot more unique and cool.

[@brandonprater4613]

Given the concept of a multiverse, ALL the possibilities for Mobius could fit. I myself like the idea of Mobius being a city on Earth. It would include areas such as Highspeed Highway & Station Square. And as Robotnik's hometown, you can find his Casino located on the Mobius Strip. All of which would be apart of the Metropolis Zone along with the other neighboring zones like Green Hills, Sonic's stomping grounds. Also Angel Island (thanks to the power of the Master Emerald) would be a "sky island" featuring places like Mushroom Hill, Sky Hill, Windy Valley & Mystic Ruins(Aquatic Ruins when the island falls into the ocean).

[@tonyhakston536]

... Highspeed Highway?

[@brandonprater4613]

@@tonyhakston536 🤔 Sonic Adventure 2... I think. It's been awhile since I've played that game, so I might be off about the level's name.

[@tonyhakston536]

@@brandonprater4613 it’s Radical.

[@awesomeocelot7475]

It’s so weird how Sonic’s home planet is now just earth. It’s never felt like earth….

[@alchemistofsteel8099]

In the Japanese lore it was always earth

[@mythosinfinite6736]

Consider Dragon Ball Earth. It's common in Japanese fiction for the home world to be "Earth," even if it barely resembles real-life "Earth."

[@ashuraomega7113]

It's always been Earth in Japanese. The West has varied between Mobius and Earth mainly the Archie comics.

[@Rusty_Spy]

Bruh SA2 literally starts in San Francisco

[@wgbee1242]

@@Rusty_Spy The city is called Central City but true stages in that game are heavily inspired by San Franchisco

[@Blandy8521]

As far as I'm concerned the world is called Mobius Edit now I finished the video: I mean the Sonic OVA showed that the world was hollow/floating islands so HollowMobius.exe could exist

[@awesomeocelot7475]

Same. 100%.

[@regjoe_48]

It's Mobin' time

[@vladniculescu1772]

Morbius!

[@e-lrd6904]

@Bionick Toa actually that makes sense

[@MrSkysenGames]

That world slipped my mind. Neat design but, hoo, throwing that into the mix would really get weird.

[@Mnemoniforma9.00]

You say "tedious", I say "stimulating". It might have been slapdash in its overall consistency, but a timeline with this overall dark feel and wrought depth still could take us places; if not via Sonic, then perhaps by means of something inspired.

[@draykohunter6805]

Listening back on the comics story, its depth of world always intrigued me.

[@MERK__ONE]

BRUH The Wayne/Wallace "What's In A Name" title card background! Lmao

[@davidgipe997]

To me the planet is named Mobius. It is not just a fun name but unique one that has layers of meaning to Sonic in particular. The endless track. Infinity loop\Mobius Strip Among others that I am forgetting. That being said. If you like Earth that's fine I'll not fight on that. But know when I say Mobius I also mean "Earth".. or "Sonic's World" 8f you prefer.

[@tipulsar85]

Well, let's wait and see what Sonic Prime calls the world... just to add to the confusion!

[@JapanFreak2595]

I grew up with Sonic Adventure 2 Battle, so Earth was my go to, and it made me feel more connected to Sonic when I was a kid. In that we shared the same home, as if you could meet him on the street if he was passing by; in that sense he was real. Even back when I was a kid I would imagine Sonic running along side the bus whenever we went on a school trips. And there was something truly special about Sonic Unleashed having New York City, my home town, be the representative for the US inspired continent. And to have NPCs based on Notorious B.I.G. and Lil’ Kim posing with Sonic and Chip, is something I can only describe as absolutely BASED. All that being said I appreciate Mobius’ take and how vast and interesting the setting and characters were, even if I hopped in and out at random intervals. I’m also a romantic, so I ate up all the relationship stuff in the comics. Even if it was brief, I was glad Sonic and Sally were able to work through all the BS. But I like both for different reasons and they deserve their place in the series.

[@wgbee1242]

Spoiler: It’s Earth, it’s pretty much been that way since Sonic 1 in the JP canon, well until like Colors anyway and then it went back with TailsTube. Essentially Sonic’s world is a fictionalize Earth where humans and anthros exists in this very abstract and surreal version of Earth (usually).

[@thetoondevil]

7:41 i find it kinda funny how in sonic's world, you got anthropomorphic animals in clothes, and then you got sonic just streeking into a cafe.

[@BKRproductions6468]

The way I see it, Mobius is just an alternate name for earth in the Sonic Timeline. Much like how one of Earth's alternate names in our world is Terra.

[@samuele64246]

Well terra is literally the Latin (and some other languages too) of earth so it's not an alternative name

[@CptJistuce]

@@samuele64246 It literally is an alternate name. It is a different word that means the same thing. If terra didn't mean earth, it wouldn't be an alternate name for Earth, it'd be an alternate name for Saturn or something.

[@xaviersmith957]

Glad you recovered well man. You the reason my Sonic kick been back. That and Frontiers. The Speed Reading Compilations with a nice bag of Mary Jane and Chao Fruit is amazing.

[@chaoschannel3428]

The way I see it, it's simply a much larger Earth, like One Peice. Not to mention it would have to be a pretty damn large planet considering, and I'm surprised no fans have brought this up, that the Lost Hex, a planet mind you, could mange to stay hidden in the clouds of Earth's stratosphere. As to explain how humans, regular animals, and anthropomorphic animals like Sonic and co. exist it's quite simple. Essentially it's like how in real life humans evolved from apes. We branched off into our own species, yet still co-exist with other species of ape. Said ape species having similar genetic and physical features to humans yet looking vastly different. This is what I figure happened in Sonic's version of Earth, except not limited to primates. Sonic and friends are, like Humans, a more evolved branch off of their respective animal species.

[@DefinitelyReagan]

This video is so nourishing - I've always hated that Mobius was forgotten (and the Chemical Plant Zone purple water being called Mega Mack, for some reason). You're a hero, man.

[@anthonyoliver418]

Mobius was the most comic of all time! My favorite part is when he starts Mobin all over the Sonic cast!

[@dug1115]

I like it being earth. It feels nice that Sonic is connected to this semi familiar but weird version of earth with talking animals and futuristic cities. kind of like dragon ball. Also I have a head cannon that Sonic takes place along side all the other sega games that take place on earth like dynamite dux.

[@shupasopni]

That's a pretty cool (and I guess mostly canon) interpretation. I like Mobius for it's unique feel, but I get the appeal of just Earth when you put it that way.

[@axelprino]

While just calling it earth is less original it also fits better considering that the moon is just called moon and little planet also lacks a unique name, it'd be kinda odd to have a planet with a cool name while its satellites just use the most default names available.

[@CptJistuce]

By that logic, their homeworld should just be "planet". Which would be hilariously generic.

[@caseypitt1296]

2:17 I find this funny, because when Wario essentially stole the Land series, he can literally get his own world if enough coins are collected.

[@antshield]

One planet. It's nice, it's neat, and way easier to rationalize then Sonic traveling back and forth between planets/dimensions without explanation. Dragonball takes place on Earth as well, and Sonic gets quite a bit of influences from Dragonball. It just makes sense. Blue sky, green grass, it's 🌎.

[@CptJistuce]

Interdimensional travel has been in Sonic since day 1, though. The JP manual for Sonic 1 explicitly states that the chaos emeralds reside in another dimension(which is presumably a good excuse for the special stages to look like an acid trip).

[@Michael-bb5dd]

Prefer One World and not Two Worlds, would like for all the Islands (minus the Starfall Islands) to be collectively called the Mobius Islands as a compromise so that the term Mobian can be more easily and canonically used for Anthro Animals, and I hope you get better Nick.

[@chandlerpaulk4518]

Maybe "Mobius" could be analogous to "Oceania", because that's the real life location I feel most closely resembles the idea of a bunch of small islands.

[@Michael-bb5dd]

@@chandlerpaulk4518 Exactly, either that or Hawaii, just something like them.

[@antyep]

I believe one commenter here calls em the Mobius Archipelago. Though I prefer the planet to be called Mobius, that’s a nice compromise.

[@victoryplays6406]

It's Earth. Obviously. It's referred to as Sonic's world cause they don't fully reference it as Earth in the Sonic News Network. It's in a another universe with a bunch of other fictional planets like Planet Wisp from Colors. His world is interesting and cool. You would love to be a talking anthropomorphic animal with powers with the need for freedom and adventure instead being a boring old mortal human who goes to school. Sonic the Hedgehog's world building is very good and it creates lore in the series.

[@extremmefan7305]

I think just calling it Earth simplifies a lot of things, but given this is a world and thus there's plenty of different cultures, you could easily have your cake and eat it too without overcomplicating things with any "two worlds" theories (like Archie and Sonic X did): maybe some call it Earth and others call it Mobius, and we only see most of the ones that call it Earth (or it gets lost in translation and BECOMES Earth) for simplicity's sake. Also, given Chip says "earth" in lowercase, I would assume that's not really referring to the name of the planet and more just "the ground we stand on" (which would still make sense for basically a summoning chant of holy temples). Would have to doublecheck Eggman's SA2 announcement to see if it's the same thing there but it could be an exception. What's interesting is if the planet was called Mobius, it'd give an interesting double-meaning to that one final boss track in Riders Zero Gravity, named Mobius Strip (obviously in reference to it basically being a one-sided loop)

[@eliandervalderen5849]

The Two Worlds actually helped explain the special zones too because that could be a area between the two worlds the Sonic enters when he was going after Chaos Emeralds

[@geoffreyrichards6079]

It would to a degree, but it would heavily contradict the Dreamcast era games, which had stuff like Station Square having a train leading to the Mystic Ruins or Gerald Robotnik visiting Angel Island to unearth the Echidna ruins and base his research and experiments off of his findings. To contradict them would be to severe that whole foundation made to Sonic’s overall world.

[@eliandervalderen5849]

While I watched Sonic X I never actually played any of the Dreamcast games because I never had a Dreamcast

[@tonyhakston536]

That's not how explainations work, and even then we already know the Special Stage is a distortion in spacetime created by the Chaos Emeralds themselves.

[@olliesidaway]

When the first Sonic movie had all those script leaks, one in particular was interesting (even if it was most likely fake). It basically established that all the Sonic-y stuff on Earth were on the Islands inhabited by animals (South Island, West Island, etc) and all the human stuff were on the main continents and nations (Empire City, Station Square and all that). I found this to be an interesting idea as it inherently linked the Sonic landscapes with the animals and that TailsTube video kiiiiinda did something similar to that

[@ARCtrooper65]

From what I hear, CURRENTLY, unless they decide to change it back to Mobius: This is Earth, the Mobians live on the Mobian islands, and humans live on the big continents.

[@lasercraft32]

In Sonic Unleashed nobody seems all that surprised by a giant anthropomorphic blue hedgehog walking around talking to people, so it makes sense its the same world. Maybe most of Sonic's people just live on the islands, while the humans live on the mainland, with (obviously) visitors and immigration between the two here and there.

[@CptJistuce]

Actually, that creates a wild possibility... if the islands are closely tied to the chaos emeralds, and the talking bipedal wildlife with super powers are all from the islands, there's an implication that they might exist in such an unnatural form BECAUSE of that close association with the chaos emeralds. Sonic and company are chaos radiation mutations of normal animals.

[@knuxenglish]

When i read the title my mind went to mobius, then to morbius

[@kingkazma3246]

In the Sonic OVA, you can see that planet Freedom is actually Earth in the future. You forgot that one, but it's fine get your rest 😉

[@FancifulDancingStar]

I'm kinda surprised Game Apologist never mentioned Planet Freedom. I kept waiting for it to be mentioned throughout the entire video.

[@KSKY2012]

My theory was that the universe Sonic takes place in is an alternate universe where Mobius and Earth are two different planets opposite of each other, but due to heightened technology, humans and Mobians can travel between each worlds, which is why humans and Mobians coexist.

[@RespawnGod]

Ahh the world, the world with sonic, sonic the hedgehog, the hedgehog who is anthropomorphic on the planet

[@generalkenobi302]

Here's what I think. He lives on earth but mobius is a section of the earth sonic lives on.

[@bakedbeans5494]

No.

[@generalkenobi302]

@@bakedbeans5494 why

[@mistersp3753]

I have a thought about Sonic Forces. It was said in that game that Eggman took over 99% of the world, yet it seems, based on the context of the story, that only the various anthropomorphic animals were affected. Did the humans just accept the dictatorship of one Dr. Ivo Robotnik, leaving the doctor to focus his efforts exclusively on the animal people? (Our Great Eggy Lord and Savior) Were the humans already dead, or otherwise incapacitated, by this time in the story? (La de da de dai, Genocide) Did the game just conveniently skip over any part that involved humans in the story. (Convenient plot device) Actually, that third one makes the most sense based on how Sonic Forces was written. They already skipped over most of the story with a few lines of text. Why not just throw out any part of the narrative that even remotely involved humans?

[@Skitskl33]

I think in one of the Tails Tubes with Eggman, he says he defeated GUN when he conquered the world in Forces. So I imagine the humans just gave up after that and they weren't relevant to the plot at that point.

[@mistersp3753]

@@Skitskl33 So the humans accepted the Egglord as their master and the story just kind of glossed over that part? That is such a Sonic Forces thing to do.

[@keldeostudies149]

11:03 the funny thing about tie in movie novels is they usually come out before the actual movie and they tend to use early version of movie scripts

[@jacobsomebody9266]

I love the cameos from the giant man-eating skeleton. This was your doing Pup, your paws are all over it... AND IT WAS GLORIOUS.

[@ChannelPup]

His name...is the Skellyton.

[@Tzarina8472]

love how straightforward you were with this one, so unexpected!

[@kidnamedfingor]

I loved it when he said "it's mobin time" and just mobed all over everyone

[@orangehat1924]

I loved it when you said "it's commentin time" and just commented all over the comments section

[@ClipstepEnteprises]

@@orangehat1924 i loved when you said “its replyin time” and just replyed all over the replies

[@shawerful5209]

@@orangehat1924 "this truly is one of the replies of all time"

[@tetankdank1599]

The movie's story confirms that sonic does not originate from earth. Why do I think think this important? Because it confirms the multiple world cannon. Also sonic prime is going to be a show about traveling dimensions so we all could get to see are version of are favorite timelines, so mabey we can have are different cake's and eat it too. Sonic movie clears up base story while sonic prime introduces the cleaned up old story's that we all enjoyed.

[@ACESGaminglcs]

Glad ur back

[@VongolaXZax]

For me, Mobius and Earth being being one and the same always made sense and was the most interesting to me. I enjoyed Archie's take on it, as the animals on earth evolved due to the chaos energy. The 2 worlds story never really bothered me, it was a good concept in Sonic X and great in the movie canon, but everything being together on the same planet with 2 names is just as good imo.

[@samuelpierce2.088]

Honestly, I think there’s an easy way to explain/incorporate the two worlds thing without upsetting the general canon: Just say that the anthro characters (Sonic, Tails, Amy, etc.) call the planet Mobius because it’s the name they came up with on their own before making contact with humans, and have the humans call the planet Earth because they’ve been here longer than the anthro characters have.

[@MasterSackhuman]

Dude, calling the wor,ld "Sega Saturn" is such a massive brain wave. I love it!

[@opalander]

I loved the game where Sonic says "It's Mobing time" and Mobed the whole world.

[@vi6ddarkking]

Personally I Like The Idea That The Answer Is Both. The Mobians Like Sonic And The Gang Call It Mobius. And The Humans Call It Earth. Like The Same Word In Two Different Languages.

[@vladniculescu1772]

Morbians!

[@ninlaw9810]

@@vladniculescu1772 urmomians

[@SkaiCyan]

I always thought 2 worlds was dumb, so I love that they finally retconned that. I also prefer "Mobius" to "Earth", regardless of the back story of the planet, but I can live with "Earth" if they decide to stick with that.

[@andresousa101]

Never undestood the logic behind the name mobius. "We have a planet full of anthropomorfic animals... Lets name it after the famous sci-fi comic artist Moebius or the mathematical concept of Möbius Strip"

[@ligtningdog6399]

It's cool sounding word. I mean what's the logic behind naming a planet 'Uranus'?

[@andresousa101]

@@ligtningdog6399 I think the logic behind it is that Uranus is the god of the sky in greek mythology...and the planet is blue... just like the sky... is not an awesome logic but it still make sense.

[@NameExplain]

Sonic & names, my two favourite things!

[@lezlue2273]

I don’t get why Sega keeps trying to depict Sonic’s world as having only humans or only mobians. Humans and mobians living together in one world makes more sense then Sonic and co living in a world with only humans or a world with only mobians. A world with only mobians (like Sonic Forces and the IDW comics) makes no sense since Eggman and his family members clearly exist and are humans. Why would the Robotnik family be the only humans that exist in this world? How could they be the only humans that exist here? How did Gerald Robotnik find a wife to have kids with if only Robotniks exist in this world? How did Eggman’s dad find a wife to have a little baby Eggman with if only the Robotnik bloodline exists in this world? Clearly there must be other humans that exist. So why act like only mobians populate the planet? And having a world like Sonic 06 and Sonic Unleashed where only humans exist makes no sense either because then where did Sonic and his friends come from? They couldn’t have just popped into existence out of nowhere, they must have had mobian parents who made them which means there must be other mobians that exist in the world. Sonic and his friends can’t be the only mobians that exist. Sega should just populate Sonic’s world with both humans and mobians. That’s the only way things could make sense. They should just make Sonic’s world like the world from Bojack Horseman where both humans and anthropomorphic animals coexist in the same world and it’s totally normal.

[@lpfan4491]

06 doesn't insist on "only humans" more than the prior games did. And Unleashed is positively the game that started the downwards spiral of inconsistency in the game-storyline, even if it is still one of the good stories.

[@gregtom3272]

always a pleasure to watch your videos man , never at all though that some one would be able to tackle this topic of sonic's world name , but you wonderfully tackled the topic , and went all out on it , thank you for doing that , and great work as always

[@gusthegoose6655]

I always loved novelizations of existing movies and thought they were pretty important to most franchises and don't get much credit they totally give more insight into the characters and how they're thinking and approaching the situations seen in the movie and sometimes adding new layers to the character's personalities giving them some much needed depth it's not like a word for word screenplay or anything like that. I understand the criticism though having to experience the same story twice can be a hassle especially if you weren't too keen on it to begin with. I just wanted to give my two cents lol, love the content and keep up the great work! :)

[@CptJistuce]

And then you get movies that were heavily reworked late in development and the novelization tells a completely different story entirely, like Alien 3.

[@Skypatroller_BenCD]

I'll be honest i NEEDED that kind of video because i have planned to make a Video Game geography so THANK YOU

[@Kirbychu1]

I'm super excited about the "retcon". The "two worlds where everyone travels by rings" was a really ridiculous idea that didn't make sense for a lot of reasons. One world isn't perfect, but I think it's the best compromise moving forward. Mt. Mobius being a location where the Freedom Fighters reside is also a cute idea you sold me on. Also, thinking about it, Eggman being this asshat that goes to more rural islands and tries to colonize and enslave the populace hits slightly different than him being more like an alien invader. I feel like the former is more reflective of the real world with the subtle "industrialization of the natural world" theme the classic games had, but I'm looking too deep into these silly games.

[@tonyhakston536]

Reminder that Sonic Spinball ends with Sonic sinking Mount Mobius into the sea, ergo Sonic killed the freedom fighters.

[@fluffcake]

Mobius sounds like the perfect setting for Sonic, but Earth is also fine by me. I also personally like the idea of Sonic being in both human and animal world. It's fitting for him, but a setting with both animals and humans living together sounds really interesting!

[@tlst94]

What would've been like if all of Sonic's humans had super powers and durabilities too? Just like the Mobians(Sonic's race)? Imagine characters like Sam Speed having speedy powers like Flash.

[@brucesshipyards744]

Novelizations are fun because they allow a more detailed glimpse at a world or characters and they can restore scenes that were cut from a faster paced movie that fit better in a slower, longer book.

[@NotYourStatusQuo]

The funny thing about Sonic's planet being a post apocalyptic Earth is Sega/Sonic Team had that idea in mind as well. I think before Archie ever used that idea. If you haven't yet, check out the Sonic OVA from like 1996. In it, they refer to the world as Planet Freedom which is divided into two sections. The Land of the Sky and The Land of Darkness. The Land of Darkness is definitely a ruined New York City.

[@Geobot3000]

At this point Sonic’s world is just whatever the writers want to call it whether it being earth, mobius or something completely different.

[@mavrickindigo]

It's called earth. Ian revealed it recently

[@KatlikeRider]

Honestly I always assumed the two worlds thing was the case since as far back as sonic 1 you could warp to different "zones" or worlds via the giant ring or the goal posts in sonic 2 (then again that could be memories of sonic the comic getting mixed in), but personally I'm fine with the whole one world thing, particularly with humans living on continents and mobians living on islands. It works surprisingly well with Sonic's pro enviromental message, but also Sonic being cool with going to both adds a layer of how humans can live alongside nature rather than a straight "nature good, humans ruin" angle. Honestly I never thought it mattered too much compared to how its never explained what sonics kind is called or how the moon got repaired (props to Sonic X for giving a decent explanation for the latter)

[@lance2580]

"What are we gonna call this planet?" "Avalice." "That's pretty good. But it's taken!" (Please, a video about your opinion on _Freedom Planet_ would be great!)

[@ConnorTheUndying]

Man, as much as I don't really like Archie, I loved the fact that the planet was called Morbius. It was such a unique name for it, and it gave the Sonic-type animals a species name. It was pretty great.

[@qriist1850]

Mobius. That's it, that's the tweet.

[@thegamingembassy1543]

That endcreidt meme/joke was priceless.

[@BluesSonny]

I like the ideia of Sonic and other animal people living in Earth with humans, because this is what Yuji Naka planned and it is referenced in games like Sonic 3, Sonic adventure 2 and and that was finally openly speaking in Tails Tuber vídeo!

[@jinjin2612]

Broke: “Mobius” Woke: “Planet Gaia” There is no canonical evidence for either, but Planet Gaia sounds dope, sooooo.

[@ashuraomega7113]

Although Gaia is a God not the planet itself and it resides on Earth so...

[@jinjin2612]

@@ashuraomega7113 thog don’t caare

[@was3513]

I've always known Sonic's World to be Mobius, named after the Mobians. I thought everyone knew it was Mobius, and that it was just a parallel version of Earth.

[@ErokowXiyze]

I'm a Mobius man, but I also have crazy headcannon where Sonic's world is a literal Mobius Strip with funky "chaos" gravity that lets you fall off one side and into the sky and eventually space in the other.

[@pyr0cyb3r]

One World? Mobius. Two Worlds? Mobius AND Earth.

[@CptJistuce]

What about Little Planet?