What is the New Perspective on Paul?

[@JuanRodriguezTV]

Thank you Dr. Cara!!

[@dmmusicmusic]

Hey Dr. Cara, good to see you, one thing that jumps out at me is the parable Jesus told contrasting the pharisee/ tax collector where it seems obvious the contrast is ALL ABOUT WORKS vs faith in mercy/ grace. and interesting that Jesus also uses the word translated justified( dikaioo).

[@rodphillips9433]

Thanks...that was helpful...

[@TruthHasSpoken]

Some Protestants have a found and read all the books of the bible, James 2 included. The new perspective on Paul is now 2000 years old. 14 What does it profit, my brethren, if a man says he has faith but has not works? *Can his faith save him? [NO]* 5 If a brother or sister is ill-clad and in lack of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and filled,” without giving them the things needed for the body, what does it profit? 17 *So faith by itself, if it has no works, is dead.* 18 But some one will say, “You have faith and I have works.” Show me your faith apart from your works, and I by my works will show you my faith. 19 You believe that God is one; you do well. *Even the demons believe-and shudder.* 20 Do you want to be shown, you foolish fellow, that faith apart from works is barren? 21 *Was not Abraham our father justified by works,* when he offered his son Isaac upon the altar? 22 You see that faith was active along with his works, and *faith was completed by works, [100% Catholic]* 23 and the scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness”; and he was called the friend of God. 24 *You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone. [Can scripture be any more explicit]* 25 And in the same way was not also Rahab the harlot justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way? 26 For as the body apart from the spirit is dead, so *faith apart from works is dead*

[@jankragt7789]

These verses can only supplement Paul. They cannot provide a "NEW perspective on Paul." So take that up with NT Wright & the rest who define themselves so.

[@TruthHasSpoken]

@@jankragt7789 "So take that up with NT Wright " NT Wright to his dismay has led quite a few to the Catholic Church. I have two of his books on Paul and they are well written though one must keep in mind they are written by a Anglican.

[@benhartzell2800]

I’m sorry, but this is a poor attempt at fairly defining and describing what NPP proponents actually believe. I can’t imagine many people watching this and learning something they can apply to their understanding of salvation. Rather I see them watching this and saying, “Good, Dr. Cara thinks this is ridiculous, so I am safe!”

[@NicholasWongCQ]

It's hard to nail down exactly what any NPP proponent believes. You can listen to hours of talks from NT for example and still can't make out exactly what he's on about. The only thing one can be sure about NT is that he believes that the idea of Christ dying in the place of sinners is paganism. That and that alone makes him a heretic.

[@jankragt7789]

Dr. Cara wrote a whole book about this exact topic. Go & read it. This is just a taste.

[@Superb-Owl-615]

Man this guy butchered it

[@Liminalplace1]

Good try but you confused NT wright on justification with New Perspective on Juadism.. the New Perspective says NOTHING about justification nor atonement. NT wright does develop his own take on justification and atonement from an exegesis of Paul with an acceptance of the New Perspective on "Juadism" But that's not really the New Perspective but NT Wrights new perspective on justification. Eg: kzbin.info/www/bejne/kIvEqJSkmrB4a9k It's better to get a handle on it from JN Dunn not NT Wright. Dunn is less controversial and it's a lot harder to argue against

[@lukeassande7792]

Would you recommend reading the Justice of God by Dunn as a good place to start?

[@Liminalplace1]

@@lukeassande7792 Jesus Paul and Law Though I prefer his Jesus Remembered.. But that's not about New Perspective. I'm presently reading his Acts. You 'll find his writing clearer and less obtuse than Wright. Not that comparison is necessary. I started reading Dunns years ago with The baptism with the Holy Spirit when I was 19 and I understood his language

[@sandygehrmann6309]

But Dunn went back on the New Perspective though and ended up disagreeing with it

[@Liminalplace1]

@@sandygehrmann6309 I dont think he went back on anything..but he did say it wasnt at odds with the Lutheran reading.perhaps. perhaps that what you mean

[@sandygehrmann6309]

@@Liminalplace1 Nah, before his death he said that the New Perspective couldn't be the correct view. It didn't hold up against Titus, Timothy and Ephesians.

[@zachm.6572]

Sure, but the thing is is that they’re correct and you aren’t.

[@davidlittlewood4215]

Dr Cara, I don’t know how much you have studied the new perspective as taught by people like NT Wright but you sure haven’t understood it!

[@NicholasWongCQ]

No one is really sure what NT Wright believes. You can listen to hours of his talks and still can't make out exactly what he's on about. The only thing one can be sure about is that he believes that the idea of Christ dying in the place of sinners is paganism.

[@davidlittlewood4215]

@@NicholasWongCQ I would just say that you have totally misunderstood what NT Wright says. I would also question whether you have actually listened to much of his stuff anyway, if you say things like that. He does not say that the idea of Christ dying in the place of sinners is paganism. That is the totally misrepresent, what he says.

[@NicholasWongCQ]

​@@davidlittlewood4215 In his book "The Day the Revolution Began", he states that the idea that Christ died in the place of sinners is “closer the pagan idea of an angry deity being pacified by a human death than they are to anything in either Israel’s scriptures or the New Testament”. Please explain to me what he means by that? He made similar statements in that book repeatedly.

[@davidlittlewood4215]

@@NicholasWongCQ can I ask you if you have actually read the book or if you are getting it second hand? I have read the book twice and I can tell you that Wright does not say that.

[@NicholasWongCQ]

@@davidlittlewood4215 chapter 8, towards the end of the 5th paragraph