🤔 What Is The Optimal Human Diet? (Logic & Evidence)

[@jasontree33]

Anything the Government say to eat i just do the opposite. I recommend reading “Health and Beauty Mastery” by Julian Bannett that book is a real eye opener about shocking stuff health industry is doing! I completely changed my habits

[@justin333eb]

totally agree

[@ArthurFonzarelli-e2l]

I do the opposite of what KZbin Influencers tell me

[@PabloGarcia-rb3ov]

2+2=4

[@jillfield3102]

@@ArthurFonzarelli-e2lthen you will be fat and unhealthy

[@mrbigsdaddy]

Or Big Fat Surprise by Nina Tieshols.

[@zperdek]

Wow. You summarized it in such comprehensive way but easily understandable. WOW

[@Themeatmedic]

@@zperdek thanks!

[@sdjohnston67]

Indeed. Excellent!

[@seitekihikaru]

Looks like meat's back on the menu boys!

[@jmw-q4u]

meat was never off the menu

[@ChrisEAdlay]

It's a lord of the rings reference

[@Themeatmedic]

good films

[@MarylouiseTitus]

I am attempting carnivore diet after being keto for years. My fiance is vegan and it looks like he is intending to become more carnivore once we marry.

[@lindabirmingham603]

Keto loaded me up with even more oxalates that was causing my fibromyalgia. No more pain on Carnivore!

[@genegayda3042]

Ah... wedding night rib-eyes!

[@Themeatmedic]

@@lindabirmingham603 yeah I used to add spinach to everything and eat so many veggies on keto! 😞

[@mikerudd4943]

I have been on carnivore for 18 months. It has changed my life. It is very different for each of us. And I have stage 4 so there are other underlying factors

[@Philipk65]

As usual Dr Suresh, very balanced and very sensible advice. Great video and thank you for the information.

[@johnsavage4786]

But today's fruits and veg are not like the ones our ancestors ate. They have been modified and covered in pesticides etc.

[@Themeatmedic]

@@johnsavage4786 they are, but we still did eat some occasionally, which means it’s probably optimal to emulate that. How is best to do that is debatable.

[@jonglopez5400]

If you have the means, DIY-ing a small veggie box or shed that will suit your seasonal needs. It removes the anxiety of chemicals and allows you eat it in modest amounts throughout the year.

[@christopherlee4796]

@@johnsavage4786 and you think the meat we at isn’t?

[@masterofdarkangle]

Im in the carnivore ( animal based 95%) for 1 month and 3 weeks. First 2 weeks miserable. After the 2 weeks full of excess energy and lost 17kg. From 120 to 103. Height is 182 and age 28. Never trust docs here in my country again.

[@OldRoadFarm-ck3mj]

I grow all my own food. That is naturally low carb because raising animals is far easier than growing plant foods, especially on clay soil. And a family certainly cannot prep, plant, harvest and process grains or legumes. Those types of crops require huge communities of people, or huge and expensive machinery. You also need the right kind of soil. Arable land suitable for cropping is very limited compared to marginal land that can easily support livestock.

[@lightsfury_nord]

The Optimal diet : Meat. And for SOME people, some small berries and a small amount of dairy In season. Find out where You Personally land on this spectrum.

[@Themeatmedic]

I think that's a fair point

[@Miraak1868]

I tank up on dairy and eggs. I am pure carnivore.

[@techjunky82]

21:16 when you eat large quantities of protein in one sitting, you will actually go out of ketosis for a few hours. Which is why you should not have many small meals instead opt for one to two larger meals. Because it takes a fair amount of protein kick you out of ketosis. Check out Professor Bart Kay for more information on this

[@Miraak1868]

I don't give a crap about ketosis. I am 100% carnivore. That's all that matters for me. No more T2D, acid reflux, constipation nor diarrhea.

[@karolinakowalik9720]

I told my husband to be a carnivore, and whilst I was doing great on a carnivore diet, my husband had to stop eating just meat and eggs. He looked so awful, felt hungry all the time, became skinny and horribly pasty-faced. We tried for a baby, and I miscarried. I think eating a varied diet is best for our health, despite what other meat gurus say. I feel great on carnivore, but my husband needs variation in his diet. So we sort of returned to eating everything, except for processed foods and bread.

[@asarcadyn2414]

Was he eating enough? Obviously not if he was hungry all the time.

[@gtaloony]

@@asarcadyn2414 def not eating enough.

[@ChrisEAdlay]

Maybe he wasn't eating enough fat? But that's still good

[@GorillaTime-h6b]

Sounds like it may be an issue of calories. it’s very easy to accidentally undereat with carnivore. I’ve done various low carb diets. I noticed with my most recent round of carnivore I have actually eaten enough calories instead of assuming I was, and I feel very good whereas in the past on carnivore i was tired all the time.

[@supercal333]

On carnivore you should eat until full. He should never have been hungry. Also he probably want eating enough fat.

[@stephanygates6491]

An additional benefit of ketosis is easier breathing. The main waste product of burning glucose is CO2. You must expel it as gas, hence more frequent breaths. I notice I spontaneously breathe 3-8x/minute when fasting.

[@tamashumi7961]

Unless competitive freedivers utilise that, it doesn't work. I don't know though, maybe they do. Just saying.

[@markbailey6051]

Carnivore menu Baby!

[@hispeedbullet2661]

I have harvested a wide range of wild game, including deer, elk, kudu, zebra, wildebeest, springbok, blesbok,bushbuck and bison. All of them lived in the wild, and none of them had meat with high fat content. Not one. so if the ancients were eating high fat content meat from wild game, our animals today are far different from what were available back then.

[@olihallam9667]

Yep. Going back 20000 years the size of the average mammal was 1000lbs. Like he mentioned in the video you had large fatty herbivores like woolly mammoths roaming around. We we're cracking open the bones and skulls and eating the fatty marrow and brains. Unlike other carnivores who prey on the young sick and the old we would prey on the animals in their prime which are the hardest to hunt and carry the most fat. In tribes with dogs we would give the dogs the lean meats.

[@desmondo7042]

Eaten A few kangaroos in my time & these are very lean too. But first nation ppl ate other animals too. Just saying. 🦘🦘🦘🦘🦘🦘

[@Themeatmedic]

haha kanga's are jacked af!

[@Themeatmedic]

indeed. and we probably ate the fattier parts as well. brains are high fat, marrow, neck, ribs, belly etc. pretty much all carnivorous animals will go for belly first. debatable whether its the fat or the organs they are going for though...

[@hispeedbullet2661]

@@Themeatmedic The fact remains that wild animals today have very little fat. I have pastured and butchered beef cows and they tend to have noticeably greater amounts of fat in their meat, even if they were fed very little grain. While the neck and ribs of wild animals today have some fat, it is minimal. My bison yielded about 600 hundred pounds of edible meat but only about 40 pounds of trimmed fat. So are wild animals today that much different from their ancestors, and if so, why?

[@christopherellis2663]

20:28 we actually come out of ketosis whenever we eat. There us no " longterm ketosis "😮 eat meat always and mushrooms and berries in season, from nature. I recommend dairy regularly

[@Themeatmedic]

that's not true. protein does little to break ketosis, and fat does nothing. even if they did 'break ketosis', you'd be straight back in, aka long term ketosis. Why do you think inuits have this protection then? genuinely curious. they were the only ones that couldn't ever break ketosis with carbs.

[@dombarton2483]

@Themeatmedic ketosis is not the aim. You will be in and out of ketosis throughout the day. Even 20 to 40g of protein can cause a bump in glucose levels prompting insulin release. Totally adequate. You dont need to consume exogenous carbs to achieve this effect. I responsed to your other replies but youtube must have removed them. You would have received an email with those replies.

[@MrNiche95]

70% of meat turns to glucose

[@sheilagray3914]

😢I find it easier to stick to 🍖 only. I think if I eat carbs I will just gain weight back.

[@philanders3705]

​@@ThemeatmedicGluconeogenesis can kick you out of ketosis for a period of time

[@DenySmashinton]

I have never heard about fresh meat containing carbohydrates that disappear after refrigeration etc. Can you please provide some supporting evidence that this is the case?

[@Themeatmedic]

You can just Google it it’s pretty common knowledge.

[@OldRoadFarm-ck3mj]

Glycogen.

[@TropicOfCancer1998]

Paleo diet based on native location if the individual.

[@Themeatmedic]

@@TropicOfCancer1998 problem with paleo is it mostly encourages eating as much as you want from those things, not actually in levels we would have eaten.

[@chazwyman]

No one really has a native location that refelcts the depth of the evolutionary process that led to their genome except in a few cases. eg where my folks comefrom (England) was under 1 mile of ice in the summer 18 kyears ago, but now rarely snows in the winter. Auks are extinct but I think that would have been 50% of the diet of my ancestors; and the rest would be fish/seal etc

[@koranmiladinovic]

I did leave a comment on your newer video but I see you touched my point a bit here so I'll add this here: Fruits should probably not be consumed at all off season if you live in a 4 season zone. Meaning, for me, starting about now (there are still some available, though like tangerines and some nuts) until about first fruits in June. Check out my comment on the later video for more details. The question that arises is: is the 6-9month mark, where your energy drops on carnivore, a microbiome issue or fruit availability seasonal issue (maybe driven by day length, i.e. sun exposure).

[@kerrieannebaker8595]

interesting about the high fat content of animals back then.The Australian Aboriginals survived the height of the last glacial maximum at the southern tip of tasmania by eating the fat off the tail of the bennett's wallaby. And the innuit traditionally drink seal fat. We're definitely wired to cope with animal fat. However biochemistries do vary. the innuit have very few cholesterol receptors , while the irish and Finnish have dozens.

[@chazwyman]

Still need to account for Masai. AND I'm gald yo umention Finland, since they enjoy being in the bottom 20% for CVD mortality rates globally when ranked from highest to lowest​,. And this is mainly due to 20% smoking.

[@jg5755]

​@@chazwyman African tribes eat the fattest parts of an animal including the brain, marrow and intestines.

[@HeatherClark-f5b]

Now I understand why it is ok to not just eat fatty meat but to add butter as well

[@adelarsen9776]

1) So many vegans would disagree with this video. But I don't care. Health comes first. Ideologies don't count. 2) Humans are facultative hyper carnivores. We do best with mostly fatty red meat and animal products. (I wrote mostly). 3) I make my own mince - 10% beef heart, 20% beef liver, 30% beef fat and 40% beef meat. Nutritionally dense super food. 4) Everything was going well until 13000 years ago. We had perfect teeth and metabolic health. Damn you J Harvery Kellogg and Ellen G White ! 5) History is fascinating. When you had the collision (confluence) of the steel rolling mill, seed oils and refined sugar you had the makings of the modern health disaster. 6) Yesterday I started drinking a glass of full cream milk per day with a bit of pure cream in it. I hope that's not going to stall my weight loss nor make me heavier. 7) I'm off now to have a steak and watch The Life of Brian. Excellent video. Thank you. 🙂

[@Themeatmedic]

haha great film! I sometimes feel like that with diet culture and KZbin influencers "he's the messiah, I should know I've followed a few!". I agree with all your points, and I think just try the glass of milk and see what happens. if it doesn't work out, cut it out again. no biggie.

[@adelarsen9776]

@@Themeatmedic I want you to call me Loretta. haha Thanks again, cheers (with sparkling water)

[@Themeatmedic]

@ totally ahead of its time haha

[@chazwyman]

The thing about 90% of vegans, - they are not vegans in five years time. Most figure out that they are not doing very well . They try to make up for it by telling you they are vegan every five minutes, so they seem to be more common than they actually are.

[@martinrandez]

I appreciate very much this content Suresh! Yet I am confused about one aspect. According to the Chromometer app, macros do indeed indicate carb intake whenever I eat fatty meat. But how can one "bump up" to 30g (or more) a day when only adding a couple mushrooms, or 2 tbsp of peas, or 1/2 a carrot? When punching those macros in, the carb increase is noticeable, but never reaches the suggested 30g-ish amount. It is easy to reach a higher carb count by adding more in the plate, although my portions then look more like an extra 1/2 cup or a full cup (ie: 1 cup of green peas = 16g net carbs). Any hint as to how one can increase the carb intake while relying on tbsp realm of quantities? Or am I perhaps being too rigid? Thanks a million :)

[@47thdarkdimension]

Carnivore for 10 weeks now. Going well so far....

[@pointshealthcoaching8474]

Even individuals who appear to have a normal body weight are metabolically unhealthy..... the problem/ confusion is that the reference ranges for fasting blood markers such as A1c & glucose are vases on high-carb diets and speculating on an individual's health status that eats low carb or carnivore is an erroneous approach.... the liver decides on the glucose level for these individuals, therefore there isn't pathology with higher A1c's or higher fasting blood glucose levels, especially if you take I to account the individuals muscle density. Men with a lot of muscle have more storage for the glycogen when compared to women, especially post menopausal women. ...

[@stevehughes275]

Professor Bart Kay says you should eat one big carnivore meal a day which will create a small amount of inflammation and take you out of ketosis for a few hours

[@Themeatmedic]

I’d love to see the evidence for that. Any effect would be short lived only, if at all. It still doesn’t answer the question of the Inuits and why they have this mutation that effectively prevents ketosis though, which is the piece of the puzzle that’s the most interesting imo.

[@stevehughes275]

@Themeatmedic yes I remember him saying it on one of his live streams

[@Miraak1868]

I am carnivore and ketosis means nothing to me. Carnivore all the way.

[@bennyandersson7770]

In sweden the government resent made a new recommendation to not eat more then 350g of red meat for a...................... week.....

[@rexmann1984]

20:00 You kinda went off the rails at the end there. The inuit are fat adapted. No one stays in ketosis. Not even those on a lion diet if done long enough. This is shown in all the long term carnivores. Typically it takes six months for ketosis as its defined to end.

[@Stefan_Doz]

@@rexmann1984 you can stay in ketosis, or can you not? What if you are on a 75 to 80 percent fat, 25 to 20 percent protein diet?

[@rexmann1984]

@Stefan_Doz you can't, not forever, not as is defined. Yes you'll be running purely on ketones in your statement but once the body is fat adapted your ketones drop to below what's defined as ketosis.

[@Stefan_Doz]

@@rexmann1984 interesting

[@johnsavage4786]

Carnivore. Listen to Bart Kay and Dr Anthony Chaffee

[@Miraak1868]

Beyond excellent choices!

[@shawnc318]

Listen to yourself

[@mikerudd4943]

Rib eye is not fatty enough for me. I get ground beef 73/27. Which isnt enough. The butcher does leave extra fat on the rib eye for me. And i eat a lot of beef ribs, they have tons of fat on them

[@Miraak1868]

I smear either lard or butter in my pan and on my steak, along with bone broth. So nourshing!

[@TomSmith-cv8hk]

Gotta agree with all that, would have been good to hear about our scavenger period eating brains and bone marrow.

[@PaulrDawes]

I'll try it for a while.... again. Raw vegan's not helped my depression.

[@Themeatmedic]

raw vegan? ouch. I'd ease slowly in to carnivore, the transition could be pretty rough.

[@PaulrDawes]

Thanks, but I've been bouncing from plant based to fat based for a while. I never have enough energy burning fat which leads me to believe we're sugar burners. Or perhaps I'm not yet metabolically flexible enough. But just how long does it take? 😕

[@jg5755]

​@@PaulrDawes It can take up to 4 months to become fat adapted.

[@Ramdingle007]

@@PaulrDawes Yes do a slow transition, you don’t want to go from minimal to mostly meat straight away, it’s like putting petrol in a diesel truck it will go bad. Let your body adapt to the new animal fats and proteins

[@Miraak1868]

@@Themeatmedic Exactly. I did it overnight and paid the big prices with -0- discounts.

[@kerrieannebaker8595]

wonderful video

[@Themeatmedic]

Many thanks

[@3zm0d3RL]

If I have to break ketosis, I don't even know if I'm in it to be honest.. I'd rather do it with something like dairy than some toxic ass plants..

[@BowlerTheHatGuy]

Im trying a different variation called Optimal Diet by Polish medical doctor Jan Kwasniewski. Its egg-yolk based nutrition. You may want to check it out.

[@Themeatmedic]

I’ll have a look. Big fan of eggs 👍

[@EmmaHill_WN]

Great video keep up thé good work

[@Themeatmedic]

Thanks, will do!

[@jefftsoutsos6596]

Absolutely brilliant video

[@Themeatmedic]

@@jefftsoutsos6596 thanks mate.

[@christopherlee4796]

A 800lb Lion has a ~12’ digestive tract. A humans is roughly 3 times that.

[@Miraak1868]

AND YOUR POINT IS?

[@christopherlee4796]

@ we need fiber, they don’t

[@jg5755]

​@@christopherlee4796 Insoluble fibre is cellulose. Humans cannot digest cellulose. Any mammal that cannot digest cellulose must eat meat. Cellulose is a source of fat for herbivores. They eat a high fat diet of 60-70% fat because their digestive systems are long enough and have a pH that is closer to neutral than our highly acidic gut (more acidic than a lions in fact) to support the strains of microorganisms capable of digesting cellulose. They have specialised organs specifically for fermenting plant material to enable this to occur. We don't have a multi chambered stomach or an enlarged cecum. Insoluble fibre isn't necessary. We cannot utilise it. Our gut microbiome cannot magically digest it. Even soluble fibre is broken down into short chain fatty acids and used in the production of ketones. The exact same thing happens when you eat meat.

[@jackbramwell3002]

lions are obligate carnivores meaning they eat solely animals. Whereas humans are more likely to be hypo carnivores, meaning a diet which is largely made of animals but with the abilities to digest some plant matter. It seems our physiology is geared towards the digestion of meat with functions such as: very low stomach acid (similar range to some scavenger species and meat heavy species), presence of gallbladder (an extension of the liver designed to contain concentrated amounts of bile for the digestion of fats), inability to digest cellulose in fiber (unlike close primates such as gorillas etc). Humans are capable of eating certain plant foods, especially in more recent times, but fiber is a type of carbohydrate which is the only non-essential macronutrient to sustain human life. So it seems emphasis is on meat making up a large majority of your diet but, I theorise, why carnivore seems to work for so many is that a chronically diseased or unhealthy body struggles to tolerate and deal with the defence chemicals in plants that a healthy body would (in limited amounts, mind).

[@christopherlee4796]

@ You’re missing the point..

[@SallyNegus]

Thank you for at least reading and not deleting my post below...I respect that tremendously. To each his own and there is a saying..."One man's meat is another man's poison" It doesn't need to make sense to you because it works for me, for many years...B-12 perfect!!! Even Dr Paul Salandino a keto carnivore guy is back on carbs..still eats meat and so are a few other including Dr Joseph Mercola...he wrote a book on Keto and for a few years now has said he was wrong and the science backs it...When you're hungry I'm assuming you quickly can kill and eat your meat raw like all other carnivore's who are capable of chasing down their kill,... killing it and ripping out the parts that work best..they then sleep for days at a time...Very exhaustive even with the short gastointestinal tract and high amounts of HCL, they need to sleep as even with the organs made to process it, it's still exhaustive.......If it works for you go for it...( fyi I eat NO grains and no vegetables except sometimes some soft leafy greens but don't really like them so it's rare....I also fast and don't need a ton of food.....I"m 5'8" 140 lbs and 68 no health issues what so ever...except when I"ve experimented with meat...not good..also no seed oils either short of the natural oil in avacado .....easy breezy...

[@Themeatmedic]

that's ok sally, I don't really delete any comments, even the hateful ones. they all boost the algorithm haha 😝 'Dr Paul Saladino is back on carbs' - bit of an understatement there! I think he's wrong to eat that much, it's not consistent at all with an evolutionary human diet. 'Back in the day' you'd have to eat about 6-8kg of fruit (~ 5% sugar in wild fruit) to get 400g of carbs, just pure insanity. Sounds like you are avoiding all the really bad stuff, though the leafy greens, I'd stay away from spinach...2 cups of cooked spinach could potentially kill you due to oxalate poisoning.

[@audreysuter4315]

Very interesting talk, what about the Bushmen living in the desert? How would they get carbs?

[@ozgal606]

Prickly pear

[@audreysuter4315]

@ozgal606 how long is this fruit available during a year, if and when it appears in the desert?

[@ozgal606]

@@audreysuter4315 we have it about 6 mths out of the year here

[@jg5755]

​@@ozgal606 And how large a population of people can they support without endangering the plants ability to reproduce?

[@ozgal606]

@jg5755 you could look this shit up yourself lol

[@dombarton2483]

There is no evidence whatsoever that we need between 20g and 30g of exogenous carbs per day. Our liver can produce all the glucose we need. Remember there is no evidence whatsoever to claim we ate between 20g to 30g of carbs exogenous daily. Impossible. Its possible perhaps weekly or even bi weekly, in total but not daily. To obtain 20g to 30g of glucose from glycogen based on between 0.5 to 1% of glycogen by weight in muscle , one would need to consume between 2 to 6kg of freshly killed meat almost immediately. Who eats that amount for one, and secondly our ancestors only had access to stones to cut with, adding time to the whole process, plus having to ward of other scavengers in the process. This alone would mean no glycogen left as it would be broken down by anaerobic respiration causing a reduction in our ph to start rigor mortis. Whilst we did consume plants, it was only as emergency food never ever designed to be our maintenance food. Provide me with cited evidence that we indeed consumed between 2 to 6kg of meat daily to obtain this so called required glycogen .It was never essential or a daily occurrence.

[@Themeatmedic]

there's no evidence for 99% of anything on KZbin, including the carnivore diet, it's almost entirely anecdote. Yet we follow it, including you I presume. I'd love you to show me studies showing the carnivore diet works (Other than the 1 Harvard study which had some issues). That's right you can't because there aren't any, but doesn't mean it doesn't work. There isn't evidence or studies for absolutely everything. For the gaps, we apply basic logical reasoning. 0.5% to 1% is not what animals have, it's more like 1-2%. 1kg = 20g of glycogen. Rigor mortis doesn't set in till ~ 2 hours after death. You think we would have sat around for 2 hours doing nothing while our kill lies there? Probably not. Even then rigor mortis likely depletes by a small amount, not a lot. Around 12 hours the glycogen is depleted. Add to that organs like liver, and blood, and you have some glycogen. Add to that occasional food that may have been gathered on the journey for the hunt, e.g. nuts or berries or mushrooms if they were around. Wouldn't be a lot, but some small amount. It may seem insignificant to you, but the point here, strict zero carb carnivore doesn't fit with human evolution. Why do we see issues on strict zero carb that are ameliorated when adding in a tiny bit of carbs then? Before you say we don't, well no offence meant but I'm doing this work daily with patients, and seeing this. Are you? And before you ask, other influencers are barely even seeing patients, let alone checking their bloods.

[@Themeatmedic]

and then eggs have ~ 0.5g carbs per egg. we probably ate some eggs along the way. probably not 40 a day no, but a small amount on average. the idea of a zero carb diet doesn't fit with human evolution.

[@dombarton2483]

@@Themeatmedic firstly your video is about the evidence. Now you are saying there is no evidence??? We have over 2.5 million years of evidence of what is optimal. It was mostly meat. We never sought meat and fat for its glycogen levels. That is your own opinion, and there is no evolutionary evidence to support that. We ate plants 4 sure but as emergency food. If we could have eaten fat and meat exclusively, we would have without a doubt. Your figures re glycogen content is incorrect. It's much lower, more like 0.5 to 1% when alive, but degradation is rapid. You are forgetting it takes considerable time to skin an animal, especially a large one with stones. A large deer or bison would have taken at least 3 to 6 hours, according to the evidence that i have sourced. You also have to take into account that the sharpness blunts quickly needing replacements. All in all, it would be a large undertaking. So how on earth would you be able to immediately eat the flesh once killed. Explain that, Dr? Yes, eggs do contain a small amount. That is perfectly fine. It does not come packaged with fructose. As long as it comes with animal food, it's fine. You are suggesting adding to it because of modern butchery making glycogen not available, when you still have no evidence it would have been there and sought after by our ancestors

[@dombarton2483]

@@Themeatmedic eating exogenous carbs is and has never been essential nor required. Exogenous is the operative word. Yes animal food like milk, and eggs, shell fish, and liver contain carbs, but no fructose. That is very important. Its the worst sugar of all and does the most damage. Yes honey contains fructose and was consumed by our ancestors more so in the last 10000 years, but no evidence exists of it being consumed 2.5 mill years ago. Honey is bee vomit anyway, and something only eaten when found on rare occasions. The high chance of being and stung and suffering potentially severe injury would have put many off the idea.

[@onlyonecai]

couldn't agree more. The 70% meat diet by hyper carnivores never means that they had the need to (or even did) eat 30% plants on a daily basis, instead, it should be seasonal (on a yearly basis), as most plant foods are seasonal, and carbs are only abundant during falls. Switching between almost zero carbs to high carbs for a few week per year makes a bit more sense, but again that's only for the survival reasons, which does not necessarily mean it's optimal. When survival is not challenged, we should just stick with optimal foods

[@chazwyman]

There is no perfect optimal diet, and optimising your diet would require a deep understanding of your particular age, and circumstances. There is not doubt that historically (before argiculture) meat was key to our diet. But there is much variation. Extremes run from Innit to Masai to PGN who are 95% yams with some pig. It's worth pointing out that there is arthritis in PNG, but they are other wise heatlhy with no obesity, diabetes and heart disease. Blue zones are also often carb heavy - but always naturally occuring carbs with no processed food. If you are eating carbs it seems you need the fibre to slow down the impact. Sugar and flour is what is killing us.

[@tsg2009]

Vegetable oils is whats killing us with the help of sugar and flour

[@soyboymotivation]

Blue zones have been debunked.

[@chazwyman]

@@tsg2009 I think I covered that in "processed" foods. The main problem with veg oil seems to be that they overbalance the ration of omeg 6 to omega 3. SOme of the inflammation claims are hard to verify with RCTs.

[@tsg2009]

@chazwyman you may think you covered it

[@sdjohnston67]

While this makes a great deal of sense and seems right, I suspect (im just a dude, not a health professional) that the amount of carbs a particular person's body can handle in a healthy way also depends on personal history and state of metabolic disfunction. Perhaps this can slowly change over time with healing. For instance, a middle-aged person who ate terribly for 40 years and has coronary artery disease, a-fib, and a history of gout, high BP, obesity, and an easily inlammed knee, probably has sick mitochondria that are working poorly, and his body spikes badly to rather low amounts of glucose (very hyper-insulinemic though not technically diabetic). Such a person may be so metabolically unwell, that he needs an essentially zero carb diet to heal and allow his body to reconfigure his mitochondrial physiology back to a normal, humanly healthy state. And he needs to lose fat, decrease inflammation, lower BP, and correct all the above issues (although CAD is probably not reversible but can certainly be managed in more or less effective ways). Also, there is the evidence come to light that the pregnant mother's diet seems to effect the in-utero child's ability to process carbs throughout his life. Perhaps a person such as this may need several years of near-zero carb eating to fully heal, then slowly shift to what you describe here? (This is an amazing summary presentation, BTW).

[@Themeatmedic]

perhaps yes. my work personally on myself, but also with patients does suggest that there is definite individuality here, and really what's optimal is what works for that person.

[@brianrundle2875]

If you really want to eat like our ancestors, My understanding is that yes, they ate meat but only infrequently when the clan , group, or family made a big kill, then they would feast for days on it, followed by long periods of fasting and eating gathered roots plants and berries in moderation. Meat was only available in infrequent large quantities for limited amounts of time followed by lots of fasting, exercise and gathering of scarce plants and other edibles. People also had short, violent lives and had to worry about predators and especially other humans and humanoids that would rape and murder with great exuberance given a chance. Disease, bad weather and potential infections would have taken a large toll also... So saying that a carnivore diet is optimal based on our past history is not really supported..

[@Ivan_Mohnke]

Yes the environment DID select for humans to be somewhat hypercarnivorous. However, sadly today’s environment that we’ve created will select for a much more plant heavy diet

[@Themeatmedic]

Problem is it takes hundreds of thousands of years to evolve, maybe millions. We can't adapt quickly enough.

[@Ivan_Mohnke]

@@Themeatmedic funny enough continuing the way the industry is doing now, our species prob won’t last long enough to evolve

[@cress1974]

Game animals are lean not fatty

[@TheYangnyin]

But eating organs, marrow, brain, etc adds fat

[@leemanwrong]

Game animals were fatter during the last ice age.

[@GangadayeJankie]

Well ok were they lived to be over 70 or80?

[@paulc5389]

The easiest way to kick yourself out of ketosis temporarily is to eat most or all (omad) of your food in one meal. This will kick you out every day for a few hours after eating until your food is digested. This aligns with ancestral diet too. They didn't own fridges and freezers and would have eaten as much of their kill as possible as soon as possible. The concept of 3 meals a day is a completely made up modern construct. I disagree with needing to be metabolically healthy with some fruit. Not that people can't if it doesn't negatively affect them. The purpose of carbs is to make you fat, nothing else. You'll make all the glucose you need for bodily function through gluconeogenesis. When eating fruit our ancestors still ate meat and therefore fat meaning they were eating fat and sugar at the same time, which is what causes you to gain body fat. That was a good thing historically as we then used that body fat to help us survive winter. We no longer need to do that and it is those natural instincts making people fat. Eating carbs is completely unnecessary and trying to eat a small amount can trigger people's food addictions. Those with food addiction and/or illness flared up by plants should eat zero carbs from plants whatsoever.

[@casey-zd5mj]

we dont eat high amounts of fat, there's no high fat in a hadza's diet, wild game is lean

[@leemanwrong]

Animals were fatter back in the last ice age.

[@casey-zd5mj]

@@leemanwrong still probably relatively lean

[@OldRoadFarm-ck3mj]

They favour the fattiest parts of a carcass such as the intestines, brains, marrow.

[@markh6676]

You've lost weight, looking better. 👍

[@gordonsweeney1187]

Carnivorous yes. Created yes. Evolved no.

[@isa-manuelaalbrecht2951]

Get tested geno-metabolictype 😊

[@chazwyman]

The trouble with using ancestral diets as a measure of optimality is that evolution only mandates survival to an age whereby we are able to produce viable progeny. The cutting edge of survival is reproductive success, Generations would start from 15-20 years. So for most instances that is maintaining fighting fitness to the age of around 35-40 without significant illness. After this age evolution is pretty much done with you.

[@OGPedXing]

Not in humans given we are highly social animals. While injury and infection caused many early deaths, evidence strongly supports a lifespan closely equal to ours today with many individuals living to 60s and 70s or higher. Why? Because older individuals provide experience and other family support (see the Grandmother Hypothesis) which improves the survival of the entire group. Thus diets which promote lifetime health is an evolutionary advantage to everyone.

[@mathiasnilsson300]

But why would we need another food than the food that has made us strong for 40 years?

[@lstrebel-l6o]

I've heard this argument before but haven't really heard a counter-argument. Does anyone have one?

[@OGPedXing]

@lstrebel-l6o I'll provide my own counter argument, lol. So it is widely recognized that when agriculture was invented, human health decreased dramatically but due to the increased energy supply, a larger population could be supported. Evidence of malnutrition, smaller stature, weak bones, etc. are so obvious that most archeologists can tell at a glance if a set of bones is pre or post Neolithic. However it allowed populations to expand quickly. So energy can equal growth, but it doesn't have to equal health. The diet adapted to over millions of years will create the highest quantity specimens, but not necessarily the highest quality.

[@asarcadyn2414]

I'm 74. I could father a child as easily today as I could 60 years ago.

[@dirkmoolman]

You lost me at evolution. Evolution is a theory, it has never been proven. Even Darwin admitted it.

[@Themeatmedic]

🤦

[@GangadayeJankie]

I doñt think those people lived to be over a hundred or more

[@Stefan_Doz]

@@GangadayeJankie carbs are not the reason people live to be over 100.

[@leemanwrong]

We observe centenarians in modern day hunter gatherer tribes.

[@Technichian462]

Its the only way to eat to be healthy.

[@Marco-iz1lu]

What evidence do you have to talk about longevity and carnivore diet? I've always asked everyone who talks about it for proof and guess what? NEVER GOT AN ANSWER!

[@Stefan_Doz]

What kind of evidence are you looking for?

[@Marco-iz1lu]

@Stefan_Doz do I even have to explain it? 😳ok... I'm looking for anything that has scientific and static meaning (no N=1). They talk about longevity on the basis of what?

[@Stefan_Doz]

@@Marco-iz1lu People claim all kinds of stupid shit when it comes to nutrition...You actually think there is going to be that kind of evidence though? Thats hilarious. You can't do long term studies on humans, it's against ethics( and who would sign up for that anyways?). Most of health science is a joke when it comes to nutrition studies on humans. Maybe one day There will be real long term data on all kinds of nutritional intakes, but i doubt it. It will just be Epidemiology, and short term studies that are worthless for the most part.

[@StanDupp6371]

Here is the verified evidence, study not funded by any food, pharma or religious group. High carb centenarians. 2010 study title: "Discovery of Novel Sources of Vitamin B12 in Traditional Korean Foods from Nutritional Surveys of Centenarians." These Korean centenarians consume a high carb diet with 87% of plant foods and 13% from animal foods. They have almost no access to synthetic vitamins, supplements or fortified foods. Centenarian men take in about 1700 calories per day and about 300 grams of carbs per day. These people are set in their ways they do not play games with diets or experiment with any type of money making fad diet.

[@StanDupp6371]

@@Marco-iz1lu Pasta grannies youtube has woman age 92-104 eating lots of pasta and bread and more carbs to prevent all health problems like all the other centenarians.

[@GorillaTime-h6b]

On the whole thing of fruit being “occasional and seasonal”. Depends on the part of the world. There are parts of the world where they eat fruit all year round, and also plenty of parts in the world with fruit that is naturally high in carbohydrates and not “bred to be high in sugar”. Plus our ancestors definitely gorged on fruit whenever they could get it, so they definitely got large insulin/glucose spikes regardless.

[@Radoslav-gk7wu]

I dont see any added value from this video. You recycled everything from like 5y or more before... All has been said so long ago...

[@Adrianna.Banana]

1. the stomach acid levels of a human: between 4-5 ph, whereas a true carnivore has a stomach acid ph of 1 or less. 2. The human intestinal tract is much longer than a true carnivores 3. humans have to cook their meat in order to make it "safe" for consumption as well as palatable. A true carnivore relishes in the nasty guts, muscles, innards and blood of rotting, dead carcasses. 4. a true carnivore is equip with the physical tools (such as claws, sharp teeth for tearing flesh, ultra fast running speeds and zero squeamishness around blood or guts). Humans are designed to pick & eat fruits and live in the tropics like other anthropoid primates.

[@Jeffs60]

A human has a stomach pH of 1.5 like a scavenger which is why Japan can eat raw fish, raw meat and raw eggs but is the country with the highest life expectancy, but a rabbit also has a stomach pH of 1.5 but is a herbivore. A spider is a carnivore and has no teeth, a hagfish is a carnivore and has no jaw, a hippopotamus has a massive jaw and teeth but is a herbivore but can't move it's jaw side to side like a herbivore, a crocodile has 80 teeth but does not use it for chewing, a chimp by age 25 has tooth decay from eating too much raw fruit and plant foods and dies at about 30 from a type of heart disease from consuming a mostly raw vegetarian diet.

[@Ramdingle007]

@@Adrianna.Banana We were hyper carnivores before the agricultural revolution. We were so efficient at hunting and eating meat that we wiped out the megafauna on multiple continents. The plants you eat today just didn’t exist for most of our evolutionary history

[@Adrianna.Banana]

@@Ramdingle007 sure, in the parts of the world in which the only viable sustenance was animal flesh! And we are tropical creatures by nature. Which is clear - every animal lives naked in their natural environment, we happened to spread across the world more quickly than nature could provide us with thicker 'fur'. It is not in our nature to eat raw animal flesh and will never appeal to our senses to eat raw animals or hunt them with our bare hands and teeth. Along with this, every cell in our body runs on glucose. Just because we could survive on other foods, it does not mean that they were optimal or healthy for our human bodies.

[@jg5755]

​@@Adrianna.Banana You say that as an overly indulged, extremely privileged individual. You've never known hunger. Humans are very capable of hunting with their hands, and eating raw flesh as well as blood. Humans are industrious problem solvers who need animal protein and fat. Try going out into the wild and fending for yourself. You'll soon discover the realities of human nature.

[@Themeatmedic]

humans were scavengers until we developed tools to hunt. have you never watched a documentary on evolution?

[@mickeyd1640]

30 + minutes? waaaaa too long

[@OldRoadFarm-ck3mj]

Seriously?!

[@maenad1231]

Hot take: there will never be such thing as *a* optimal human diet because humans are too diverse, different bodies have different needs to thrive and one person’s medicine is another person’s poison

[@Themeatmedic]

I think there's an optimal base that we can build off of though.

[@marinospapadopoulos3872]

😂😂😂

[@Onlylovelystuff]

Doc, you look to have a little excess fat. Is there a reason why? This is my concern if you’re doing it why it’s not effective.

[@ArthurFonzarelli-e2l]

Our bodies are not adapted for eating so much meat.

[@seitekihikaru]

Yes they are perfectly adapted. That's exactly how we evolved.

[@lightsfury_nord]

Tell that to my body perfectly digesting 1.5kg meat per day for a month now. And I feel fantastic, strong , full of energy, sleep better, require less sleep, brain fog gone , skin issues gone , nicotine addiction overcome after 10 years, no more energy crashes even after a full day at a physical job and gym 4 times a week. And all this in just my first month of carnivore.

[@kentee4957]

Really. So how come we did in in the past & how there are many 10 plus year carnivores

[@ArthurFonzarelli-e2l]

Mostly plant based is the optimal diet

[@rjmclean1979]

😂

[@Ramdingle007]

which plants? do you realize the vast majority of eatable plants we have today did not exist during most of our evolutionary history

[@Stefan_Doz]

Get after it champ

[@lightsfury_nord]

I'll skip the leptins and oxalates thanks 👍 only meat for me.

[@leemanwrong]

Why would eating a diet our species has not eaten for the vast majority of its existence be optimal?

[@desmondo7042]

75 Yr Ausie male 5 Yrs 20gms carbs or less mostly fatty lamb carnivore with nose to tail ,liver, kidneys brains marrow. 75 Kg moderately active lean lost 25 kg, good B.P no meds. Blood ketones strips constantly 0.2-0.3- early morning as well. Too get above this over the 0.5 magic number I need A tablespoon of MCT oil. Also lovely improvement pissing. Just saying. 🦘🦘🦘🦘

[@Themeatmedic]

Ha love the end comment. Sounds similar to my diet but I’m mostly beef.

[@desmondo7042]

@@Themeatmedic Sheep all free range A few grain finished. crowded Cattle lots Also fed chicken shit to hasten gut fermentation. Penned pork. But enjoy all.