What is the Precariat | Guy Standing | TEDxPrague

[@DrPOP-jp7eb]

I have never felt so heard in my life before. The problem is, if you are not in a precarious position yourself, it's nigh impossible to empathize with it. You will hear them out and offer support, but you cannot shake the feeling their security is attainable to everyone. It's false, of course, but by the time you're in the position yourself, it's too late. To everyone in doubt, believe this man's description of the precariat. It is real and it is devastating - both personally and socially.

[@Markd315]

I moved from his precariat to his salariat, but the anger stays with you. It would be a choice to give up that anger, and I don't want to.

[@Z0MGH4X]

What's the name of the guy standing?

[@WazigeLogica]

It's Guy Standing ;-) You're welcome

[@adriandautovic9091]

LMFO

[@dandavis4469]

@@WazigeLogica I like what this guy is standing for.

[@maxinespirit6215]

LMFAO

[@stvdiascholastica4599]

His biggest critic is called Guy Sittingdown.

[@elijahsprague4200]

I just stumbled on this guy while working on my dissertation...I am amazed I have never heard of this man before. I wish objectivists and laissez faire economists would listen to this gentleman.

[@Coneman3]

Totally respect this guy for nailing such a serious current problem. Can't help feeling the elites would like to get rid of him. He speak dangerous truths.

[@jacquacooper]

One of my favorites philosophers and humanitarians. This man, Guy...thank you for keeping us up to date with what needs to be done as the distraction update themselves to make us think there is no way to improve our lives. Thank you for combating the toxicity or doubt and deception.

[@rzrbck84]

I'm in the process of reading his book. He's a phenomenal writer and goes into deep analysis about this new and growing sector of society [the Precariat].

[@kennethmorrison3096]

Me too...

[@Coneman3]

It's the best book in the genre I have so far read. He's a very clever man with great integrity and insight.

[@mahadomar7039]

@@Coneman3 and he is great at standing too

[@incognitocas]

We're all living in a global pathocracy and all the nation's federal governments are a kleptocracy. The last 2 draconian years should make this abundantly clear.

[@mikely7354]

This Guy is a social scientist with helpful commentaries, all stemmed from truth and love. I also believe that life is dog-eat-dog at a level, but if we are to evolve, we need to listen to Guy.

[@lixibao]

More people need to see this. This man speaks with Passion with a capital P.

[@hipmotion]

He's a great speaker. I'm currently reading his book "the plunder of the commons"

[@capitandelnorte]

Im not a leftist guy and this man makes nothing but sense to me.

[@Coneman3]

Makes me think of 2 films, V for Vendetta and Good Will Hunting.

[@JeremyPong]

if you dont agree with a global free market, you are, by definition - a leftist

[@capitandelnorte]

@@JeremyPong no market is free as long as all markets are not free. Per definition we do not have a global free market because of tariffs etc. I am pro private enterprises, but also pro regulation. You should not have to be a leftist to believe that market forces left completely un-checked tend to monopolize markets, and not create beneficial circumstances for the consumer/people.

[@rotemberliner9756]

well, that means you should be a leftist guy...

[@mmclxxii]

Because sense is not tied to ideologies

[@caiarte]

Brilliant ! Tank you Guy Stranding !

[@JRedman21]

Wow, he hit the nail on the head

[@slorter10]

This is where neoliberal dogma has placed the world! I feel a job guarantee combined with a basic income is essential and governments need to be more active in this role as well!

[@Coneman3]

I disagree, I think a UBI would give us greater control over our labour.

[@MephLeo]

@@Coneman3 I can give an indirect testimony of how UBI could positively impact lives, especially of the poorest people. I'm from Brazil. Here, when an income program tied with children's school attendance got implemented for the poorest of the poor, you could hear the middle class and the elites openly complain. One of the biggest claims was that "now it's not easy to find workers to do menial tasks for small pay, because the poor became lazy, they don't want to work anymore", to which I always responded "it's not that they became lazy, it's that they became independent from your exploitation, pay them better and they'll surely work". Never heard a single reply.

[@donpaulmoore4703]

OMG dude. More government =less liberty

[@davidmarandola4716]

@@donpaulmoore4703 less government = more exploitation; it's my opinion that with less government there is an illusion of freedom, your still being controlled by the upper class in every conceivable way; the 1% would determine how much you would be paid (which would be less because its in their best interest for profits), the cost of food and rent (which would be more because its in their best interest for profits) and what politicians got the most funding, thus greatly influencing your political choice. Look at Norway vs. the USA and tell me which citizens have more liberty and a better quality of life.

[@trevorloughlin1492]

@@donpaulmoore4703 The opposite is true because the mega-corporation's are now your masters. Which is even worse than big government, because they are accountable to no-one.

[@billykobilca6321]

Absolutely spirited spot on lecture

[@flamegarden]

I really appreciated this talk. His brief analysis hits true and hard. We need to keep expressing & hearing this knowledge in current narrative so that it is alive for those coming up after us; not everyone is gonna read Marx. But wtf is up with keeping the idea of “income” around at all? Why don’t people in a region simply provide everyone in that region the basic provisions for a secure existence. We need a solidarity economy. Not a monthly payment to sustain the unsustainable.

[@samuelhara4874]

Wow! He is so spot on!

[@peterflynn3657]

Superb lecture that is terrifying and thought provoking.

[@hometruth0812]

They should have given the "Guy" a "Standing" ovation.

[@simeonnedkov894]

Got the book. It is absolutely terrifying.

[@AndysBrainblog]

I've just realised I'm in the progressive faction of the precariat.

[@pimwiersinga8822]

'Me too'...!

[@luciernagas5661]

me too

[@whotelakecity2001]

I'm progressive (my outlooks) all right but I don't fit into this box just right as others describe me somewhat as well- my parents had social status and a label but I don't; I have no home and I migrated more than once and may again: last but not least, no university education

[@giulianatiripelli848]

that's all in your name - good luck

[@Tess78uk]

Andi Flintoff hey fellow precariat! There are lots of us!

[@dibble2005]

The only problem is everyone sitting there are not the precariat so will not feel an ounce of compulsion.

[@mmclxxii]

Yep! Probably most of them are upper-middle class at the least, so I would not expect them to have problems with this. It's a distant concept for them and mostly virtual than real.

[@07Flash11MRC]

Maybe not yet, but they'll get there sooner rather than later...

[@haaribo8662]

took me a while to realise that's his actual name

[@fwwryh7862]

Somewhat wasted on the ted talk audience and middle-class youtube. But his words are frighteningly accurate.

[@noahwidmeyer2773]

Guy Speaking

[@jameslucena1020]

Mann Splaining

[@bronson4574]

Precursor meme

[@schrodingerscat3912]

youtube algo needs to pump this up

[@trevorloughlin1492]

Without draconian rent controls and a return of good quality social housing, greedy private landlords would simply snatch the extra basic income. If this factor was accounted for, basic income would be a good idea. Under the criminalized benefits system, people are being bundled into low skilled jobs to avoid sanctions. And they stay in these jobs rather than take the risk of trying for something more skilled, since if they fail, they will fall into the criminalized system again. I have to say that Guy Standing is a phenomenal communicator and needs to go into politics and replace Keir Starmer!

[@masdamed]

Definition of Precariat 2:21

[@juanandresvides2749]

He lives up to his name

[@mr12aT]

This was fabulous

[@harshpal5848]

Great talk

2018 se termine. Toujours pas de RE en France. Comment expliquer ce phénomène ? Comment est-ce possible ?

[@KawaiiKillar]

outSTANDING performance

[@clipsfromfilms]

interesting discussion. Any predictions on when the "progressive" precariats will actually get represented or be able to make changes for the better? I read in one Dr Standing's articles about 7 or 8 years ago around 2013 that about 15% of the population is in the precariat. What is that figure now, and how does that/will that likely affect what is to come? So far it seems to be only the atavist part of the precariat that are making any changes to the political landscape. Considering the traditional Social Democrats parties such as Labour don't seem to appeal to the precariat, do you see any progressive parties or organizations that represent the interests of the precariat)?

[@groveavenue]

Thank you, Sir. May.I add that automation, computerisation and robotics are taking away work from what used to be the old working class and population reduction might be the answer? :)

[@rjon591]

This may sound to simple but, all Nations should agree to simply create the necessary resources through the banking sectors where all nations would make adjustments in all national accounts to cover it for all it's citizens based off the current needs for food, clothing and shelter. Money is just a set of numbers to represent value - just make an adjustment worldwide. On employment and the unemployed, this gives people time to gain new skills or their could be 3 day work shifts adding more workers to work the other 3 - 4 day shift . This would boost all economies with the added needs of additional consumers in the marketplace allowing for added production and innovation.

[@paneko1]

The problem of impossibility of idea you presented is lying in unwillingness of those in power (modern economies, in which national currency is fiat money, established and created by government) to do so. Good schools everywhere would be the easiest task to start with.

[@billykobilca6321]

R Jones Do yourself a favor, call....label and describe the banking sector as the BANKING CARTEL. and now, look up the definition of CARTEL.

[@tjwukitsch6505]

Or just get rid of money and declare the earth common heritage. Develop a system in the mean time while we sort out how to do that, which keeps track of resource NEEDS and calls for the distribution of these resources equitably (not equally). We then engineer abundance and can grow our aspirations. This would of course take a long time and a restructuring of how we think about borders, one anther, waste, responsibility, efficiency, luxury and necessity. This economy is a resource based economy. It could be developed with appropriate fail-safes.

[@beratceylan4668]

amazing

[@somedipshtinthecomments2507]

Anyone up for building a party of the precariat then?

[@libraryjestercafe3623]

Omg he's at Ted.

[@Conor_Rafferty]

5:05 This is not an accident, it is desired by global capitalism and it will not go away."

[@anobody6234]

Just read grapes of wrath

[@frankboff1260]

All people and all life need to be valued for they are and not measured by money.

[@rigobertov4670]

Things have gotten 100 times worst since this video.

[@TheCedilia]

This is a very interesting topic, but perhaps a little less relevant for countries where social mobility is high? Although several of those countries are moving in the same direction, slowly but surely...

[@Juliapak]

I’ve tried to think about rating drivers since we all have stories of people cutting us off or riding our bumper. But I couldn’t get around the issue that the only ratings you would get are negative ones. The closest thing I cane up with was to count negative reviews and grade them based on time/consistency. I think we can make better @/platforms and better systems. The ratings system has to do with customer satisfaction. If you want return customers then you want well rated riders. However a lot of these platforms don't encourage ratings especially for food delivery. Most customers don't rate. So when you do get ratings you get dinged. We need to be fair to both sides of the equation: customers and riders! And it shouldn't just be the rider telling the customer "please rate me", the platform needs to do its part too. I personally think the rating system is unfair to riders and have considered scrapping it. Please understand that the workers are vulnerable to the customer's whims. However we do need to value customer ratings as well... let's re-think this one! World isn't fair just like in nature, fortunately humans are very good at adapting to their environment

[@matthewjackson9615]

OK, there is nothing new under the sun. Marx explained class struggle and class division years ago: It was Marx who had first discovered the great law of motion of history, the law according to which all historical struggles, whether they proceed in the political, religious, philosophical or some other ideological domain, are in fact only the more or less clear expression of struggles of social classes, and that the existence and thereby the collisions, too, between these classes are in turn conditioned by the degree of development of their economic position, by the mode of their production and of their exchange determined by it. This law, which has the same significance for history as the law of the transformation of energy has for natural science. Engels, Preface to The Eighteenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte (1885) What's happening is that the world at large has entered a new epoch, a second gilded age that's occurring on a global level. ‘The longer you can look back, the farther you can look forward’.” -Winston Churchill Churchill is right and if you want to see how the future will shape up just read about the 1st gilded age in the United States. Mr. Standing keeps repeating the word "new" throughout his lecture , but history just repeats itself, there is nothing "new". Also, he plays to the notion of the "progress of mankind" as if the world can be improved upon and made to be just, fair, and equitable. This is a fallacy. Also, he claims that the ruling class is worried about how things are shaping up. Worried ? Are you kidding me ? The ruling class shapes and controls all aspects of society. Plus, the masses are just mindless herd animals that will instinctively follow the dictates of some outspoken leader and this will never change. Like I said, the world doesn't change, it only changes form.

[@MissArbie]

Should check out David Rushkoff's talks or read Team Human. The billionaires are scared because they don't know how they are going to maintain power once the world is scarce and money is pointless. They really are scared.

[@DrMjenno]

Marx never faced neoliberal globalisation, which is where we are now. In part, the captialists responded to the successes (such as they were) of the Marxists in the nineteenth and twentieth century with the system Standing is describing in the first part of this video.

[@PrettyPinkPeacock]

The crowd at the end is so undiverse XD

[@luisvillarreal4743]

Yep, everybody did lose rationality. Nail on the head

[@jujushineon]

He should not have been right in scome points - in some even more. We need a movement against this. Iam tired of being ruled by a fearful part of society. Social unequality is at it's peak! Who is in to work against this?

[@efortune357]

8:50 “We need to fight for a basic income for every man, every woman, and every child in our society. It is affordable without a doubt. It is not going to do the things the critics say. Because we do want to improve our lives. So if you have a basic income you will not become lazy. We have done pilots in various countries. And people who have basic income work more not less. And when they work they’re more productive not less. A basic income encourages the good virtues of any decent human being. People who have basic security are more altruistic than others. They’re more tolerant of others. They feel more inclined to engage in society as a human being and as a citizen. It is something that brings out the good qualities of the human being. We need to move in that direction because without security and without building a system with everybody having security the inequalities and insecurities will increase the probability that someone like Donald Trump will win at some stage. Because too many people will be suffering from insecurity and losing the capacity to be rational. That is a real fear we should all have. But we want to create a better society. A basic income would promote security. It would also give us a greater sense of control over our time. We need a politics of time for the 21st Century. We need to enable people to feel in control of their time. To have a slow time movement. Where you indulge not just in your labor but in different forms of work: caring for your frail relatives, or your children, or your community. This sense of control of time is something that any good civilized society should want everybody to have.

[@muskduh]

coolest name ever?

[@CSkyman]

Isn’t rising precariat is a result of declining ability of governments to care of people more than their geopolitics and their own surroundings?

[@Arrakiz666]

Not declining _ability,_ declining _willingness._

[@oscar_sheen]

Landlords take more when incomes rise. It’s the big ticket item. Driving inflation. Solve the landlord:owner-occupier ratio.🎉 and save humanity from itself.

[@EntertainingVideos-4U]

Selfish Republicans will be seething when they get wind of this.

[@pooticus2087]

he's definitely standing

[@iulius6988]

The problem with the progressive precariat is that they can not produce ANY goods valuable for the other people, while they obviously need to consume goods produced by others. When you pay for something, you expect to recieve some concrete product/service. Nobody will pay you because you have finished some college or had a great marks at school. You can sell your skills as an employee or an enterprenuer. But precarists dont have one to sell. They could become a carpenter, plumber or fix cars, but that kind of life "doesn't fit their ambitions". So they are still in point, and we should not pay them for free, but should teach them some profession and send to work.

[@Magnet977]

The issue arises that no group has any interest in training the precariat or even acknowledging their existence because they want them for cheap, exploitable labor and as to use as a threat that can be used. The old truth that college was necessary for a good job transformed into a scam to make a few rich and get people in massive debt as a means to create this class for that very reason. As for the trades and other such jobs for retraining they still won't provide anywhere near the necessary income despite the massive amount of fake stories people try to sell about making lots of money as a plumber or an electrician. Like the college shuffle before it, it'll wind up being just another way for a few to make money off the desperate. The precariat are both the ones being tortured and the ones who have the greatest capacity to affect inevitable change that the world faces. The question becomes will they even care enough about the world to try and save it, or merely destroy it out of spite and rage.

[@abdaici3370]

Some thinkers said: profit means destroying, it is thermodynamic paradigm

[@caseyhill636]

I agree to a point - we do need musicians and dancers and actors, musicians and playwrights, writers and directors. However, I believe parents need to do a better job of steering kids into trades and professions. The world can’t support that many ballerinas

[@vuxulu]

He shouldnt have neglected the global south, were precariousness is a norm

[@Taladar2003]

If precariousness affects entire nations of people there are really two options for the cause. Either a) they just don't produce enough of worth to fulfil their citizens basic needs, e.g. due to poor natural resources or b) the profits are funnelled elsewhere. In the first case they could benefit from richer countries becoming less hostile to immigration, which only happens if the poorer people there feel secure in having their own needs fulfilled. In the second case they could benefit from having the power of the rich who likely are likely at the receiving end of those profits reduced.

[@AliceYobby]

I think he lumps them in with the "lumpen " dying on the streets

[@07Flash11MRC]

Every working class citizen needs to fight the owner class in their own country. What are you doing to fight your owner class?

[@mutexful]

Who's standing?

[@cpalmacampos]

Hi. Why don't you have the subtitles in Spanish?

[@angelmateo4388]

Buenisimo

[@naztubes]

Words are good but we need to put words in to action!

[@MinecraftandYTPDude]

Anyone here from Calbel?

[@heikowestermann1509]

I think the title should rather say Guy Spittingfactsfortwelveminutesstraightwhilestanding

[@kikenaround]

This guys name is hilarious

[@raabeduhamel6489]

Let us travel a few centuries ahead of us and let us talk about socialism-marxism.Let us find the light.

[@ernalise]

I wonder if there is a TED Talk speaker workshop that people go to, because they all speak in the same way. I find it weird.

[@MissArbie]

It's called "KZbin"

[@MataNuiOfficial]

guy do be standing ngl

[@chadsmith66]

Yang 2020

[@brindlebriar]

I like the idea, though I disagree with some of the given justifications for it. (And I think there are some other good ones, unmentioned.) But some evidence needs to be offered, that it works. There was the mention of pilot programs. How did they work. Details, statistics. Outline the studies. For example, what gets people to do the undesirable jobs if we have a base income anyway? Who decides he'll go out and clean public toilets for fun? Is base income adjusted for number of children? If so, is there a limit to the number of allowed children? Also, it didn't work that well in China, Cube, the Soviet Union. How is this version different? In America, our founding fathers were rich, and they put checks in place to prevent the less wealthy majority from simply voting to liberate the rich of their property. These checks make Robyn Hood legislation... difficult. I think you need to invoke some of the concepts in and surrounding Bertram Russel's "In Defense of Leisure." You'll have to get the rich to expect to benefit from the arrangement. I think a plausible argument could be made. But I don't think you've made it. Those are hard questions, but I still think we should try it. Btw, how do I get in on one of the pilot programs?

[@ShakinJamacian]

I believe looking up Standing's works on this topic should help illuminate the concern of pilot programs. He's had his hand in almost every major pilot program of the last 30 years. He's supervised the pilot Y Combinator is going in Oakland, California. For starters, I believe Standing wrote a book on the changes and outcomes of the pilots he oversaw in India, which went so swimmingly the government is entertaining making it national.

[@Soul-Burn]

Links to programs and a ton more information can be seen here www.reddit.com/r/BasicIncome/wiki/index People clean streets for low salaries now because otherwise they won't have food to eat. If these jobs are still needed, their salaries would have to rise considerably, to what they are really worth, or be automated. Make the jobs more desirable - e.g higher salary, better conditions, and more people will want to do them for their own merit, not because they have to. Most UBI schemes talk about a smaller allowance for children rather than adults, but it's still an open subject. Basic Income was *never* done in China, Cuba or the Soviet Union. In these communist countries, you got specific things, not cash, and hardly keep your freedom. With Basic Income, you get a *cash* transfer and still keep private money. With this cash you can buy what *you* want, not what the country thinks you want.

[@paneko1]

While we have billionaires with sick amounts of ill got money and will never fairly pay taxes, we are offered UBI. After that the whole world is going to change into the ghetto: first nice houses of project, then consciousness about no possibility to ever change it into something better, then destruction.

[@BicycleFunk]

What?

[@keithparker1346]

I think you are confusing dictatorship with ubi somehow. If it was such a bad idea why are even right wingers looking at it?

[@gergelyfliegauf5287]

06:34 The Roma(ni)

[@northernbohemianrealist]

Why is it snowing on stage?

[@purpledevilr7463]

I love his analysis, and critique of neoliberalism. But I despise how he writes off the part of the precariat that looks backwards. - that he clearly has one side he likes and one he doesn’t.

[@07Flash11MRC]

What do you mean? What does it mean to look backwards? Are you refering to examples of the past of human history?

[@07Flash11MRC]

"that he clearly has one side he likes and one he doesn’t.": Why is that an issue? One side fights for all the working class (== the left wing) and the other (== the right wing, protectors of the owner class and previously royalists / monarchists) doesn't.

[@purpledevilr7463]

He’s essentially writing off half of the precariat as dangerous idiots supporting the wrong people from his perspective. I cannot emphasise enough how much I think you are wrong with that left-right comment. - The Right wing is currently the greatest hope for everyone, it’s the left who are the entrenched elite. The working class today votes right. Look at any example anywhere.

[@Arrakiz666]

@@purpledevilr7463 … He’s not wrong though, they keep proving him right year to year. Just because the precariat’s ranks have been swelled by a new wave of ex-working class and these people vote right, does not mean there is any hope in the right. And this is not universally true, that’s only true for America, because you don’t _have_ a left wing, you have two right wings. In Europe these people overwhelmingly vote for socialist parties wherever that’s at all possible. And the same would be the case in America if you had a semblance of a socialist movement.

[@purpledevilr7463]

@ “America has two right wing parties” is baby’s first political idea level. No offence if you’re actually new to politics though. Economically thats more true, but maybe not for as long as you think. There’s a lot of interventionism under the Trump administrations plan. Plus with the high number of Hispanic immigrants and their traditions. Don’t be surprised is a socially right economically left movement pops up.

[@squishy1523]

Funny that the only google image of this dude is of him sitting

[@aspacepigtaipei]

His analysis is extraordinary. His solution, however, is a nonstarter.

[@loln00bsify]

If you've paid off your student debt are you still a progressive of the precariat?

[@mark1h2023]

He lives up to his name. Techniy, he can go by the name "Guy Vertically planking"

[@ostry2156]

That's what heppend in France now

[@chadsmith66]

2019 and its only getting worse

[@DaveWard-xc7vd]

Motivation, not being lazy, is not the critical issue here. The critical issue is competency. People can not be productive unless they are competent. Unfortunately about 10% of Americans are low enough in competency as to be unemployable in any line of work. Providing them with UBI will ensure an increase in their numbers and little else.

[@yuxuangu427]

Well good analysis into the Boomer community

[@JanacMeena]

Reply all brought me here

[@ilatfen28]

~ los nuevos pobres,,,

[@dynomike1964]

He is married th Lady Sitting

[@duck4738]

I know hes standing just tell he his god damn name already

[@DaveWard-xc7vd]

A childs security is the responsibility of the parents not the state.

[@m.b.2709]

türk gençlerini anlatıyor...

[@nhl6561]

Nasıl yani

[@rabiaaslan2783]

Zaten yaptığı bir konuşmasında türk gençleri olduğunu da bahsetmişti

[@infinateU]

The "electric theory" & the existence of Intelligent Extra Terrestrials should be considered seriously. This should provoke even more curiosity about "our" existence on this planet.

[@DaveWard-xc7vd]

The global population has only been able to rise due to the intervention of competent countries in the lives of the citizens of incompetent countries. Those 3rd world nations. To prevent further imbalance all foreign aid should immediately be withdrawn from historically incompetent countries. Let them stand or fall on their own merits. Either way it is clear that "lifeboat ethics" has run a ground.

[@globularknob]

Guy Standing speaking (2017)

[@arhabersham]

6:22 Capitalism is a NIGHTMARE... now buy my book when this talk is over? 😂

[@LowestofheDead]

If he had a Basic Income he could give out free eBooks. But under Neoliberalism (not capitalism) you have to sell yourself to exist.

[@kapuzen9769]

Guy Standing standing

[@sirhakonik6071]

Sounds like modern Marx

[@liamfoley9614]

7:06 yes I can. People explode in rage because they're taught that they're entitled to a certain standard of living despite people, and this includes the unskilled, having more than at any time in history.

[@DaveWard-xc7vd]

Universal Basic Income is not affordable. UBI can only be accomished by taking the fruits of the efforts of competent people and giving them to incompetent people. This practice will put dysgenic pressure on society. Just as welfare does now.

[@sebas8225]

I´ve also been thinking on how it´ll affect business investments too, it could make it all go haywire.

[@neurosynchron]

Guy Spitting

[@lazydrie4711]

Who is here after Donald Trump won again ?

[@07Flash11MRC]

What does this have to do with Trump?

[@lazydrie4711]

@07Flash11MRC he mentioned that people like Trump could be president

[@kamalpreetsingh1686]

Progressive talk....

[@Lando2727]

he predicted trump winning

[@maureenmergen1634]

That shocked me.

[@07Flash11MRC]

Still, Trump is no advocate for the working class. He k!lled 2.5 million Americans his first term alone.

[@jasonsmith9495]

Debating socialism is a luxury brought to you courtesy of capitalism. Think about that. Redistributing wealth will not do a god damn thing for the average person. We need to think of ways to get people in a better position to generate their own wealth.

[@Kriskazam]

Socialism is supposed to emerge from capitalism so idk what you're talking about...

[@aubreywilliam9048]

Jason Smith that thing is socialism

[@MijmerMopper]

''Redistributing wealth will not do a god damn thing for the average person.'' It's not harmfull to the average person that wealth flows to where it is least needed and most abundant?

[@nickwilsonxc]

The whole point of a basic income is to get people in a better position to generate their own wealth. It’s hard to worry about a career when you’re already homeless, starving, no healthcare, etc.

[@dopaminecloud]

It is impossible to achieve this if you keep up a population growth. There simply mathematically cannot be good circumstances for all under perpetual growth. Don't have kids if you wish to start seeing improvement down the line or be quiet and lay in your bed of deprivation.

[@DaveWard-xc7vd]

If a person does not first demonstrate the means to support themselves. Then they should not be allowed to procreate additional obligations which will end up being the responsibility of taxpayers.

[@andysomerville669]

nice eugenics bro

[@DaveWard-xc7vd]

@@andysomerville669 What your solution be?

[@07Flash11MRC]

"Then they should not be allowed to procreate": The youth already isn't procreating, and guess what: That means less and less and eventually no pensions for you old f@rts. xDxD