What Is The "VOX" Sound?

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Rhett Shull

Rhett Shull

3 жыл бұрын

The Vox AC30 is undoubtedly one of the most iconic guitar amplifiers of all time. Used by some of the greatest rock bands ever, this amp has left an impact that still has players today pining for that classic Vox "chime" and sparkle. What Is The Vox Sound?
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@andigisler
@andigisler 3 жыл бұрын
The story of how Brian May found his sound is so interesting. As a 16-year old he and his buddies regularily watched the great Rory Gallagher play with Taste at the Marquee club in London. t some point he finally took courage and asked Rory how he got his sound. Rory's answer was something like 'Oh it's so simple. You take a Strat, a Rangemaster Treble Booster and run that through a Vox AC30. Done' And Brian did exactly that: He bought a Rangemaster and a used AC30. He didn't buy a Strat because he already had built his Red Special by then. And THIS - to this day - is his basic sound. What's amazing is that Rory and Brian are two of the greatest ever players - but they sound completely different. There's also something to be said to sticking to one instrument and setup: Almost all of the true stylists did that.
@johnberg2658
@johnberg2658 3 жыл бұрын
I thought he would have told that story.
@andrewryan2280
@andrewryan2280 3 жыл бұрын
I’ve heard May tell this story a few times, and I don’t doubt him (and there are plenty of pics of Queen visiting Rory on tour) but here’s the thing, May is older than Rory, so, while Rory was 19-20 in Taste, May was definitely not a teen.
@looneyinkproductions-eduard
@looneyinkproductions-eduard 2 жыл бұрын
You need to add one thing: they both put everything fully open. And that means "LOUD AS F*CK!!" Nowadays, without doubt, you'll get kicked out of every club even thinking abot this amount of volume....
@Noseheros
@Noseheros 2 жыл бұрын
@@johnberg2658 May is older by 1 year, but yes
@gloomsdoom649
@gloomsdoom649 2 жыл бұрын
He played with a coin
@kevinfraser5179
@kevinfraser5179 3 жыл бұрын
Vox may not be my favorite sounding amps of all time, but as a live sound tech, they make me smile ear to ear when I see them on stage. Nothing makes a guitar sit so effortlessly in the mix than an AC30. If their are two guitarists and only one has a Vox, most of my guitar mixing effort is spent trying to give the other guitarist as much space in the mix.
@Updog89
@Updog89 2 жыл бұрын
Good to know! 😊
@stefankarlsson8215
@stefankarlsson8215 Жыл бұрын
Doing the soundcheck at a club it took the sound guy/mixer ages setting up the sound for the other guitarist. Then he said -Your turn! I played a few chords and some lead licks maybe for 40-50 seconds. - Perfect! he says, now the bass. I say to the mixer guy - Isn't my guitar sound important? -Well, you have an AC30, they sound great without any twiddling or tweaking . . . Then I loved my AC30 even more . . . (I have a 1965 AC30TB and a Gibson Les Paul)
@SunsetPunk
@SunsetPunk Жыл бұрын
Could not agree more!
@ghostsethrich7306
@ghostsethrich7306 11 ай бұрын
This is one of those great comments that I'm to think of all the time for decades. Cheers! 🙂
@dspindola94
@dspindola94 3 жыл бұрын
Why is nobody talking about that awesome little “Bullet the Blue Sky” cover in the beginning? One of U2’s best songs!
@edborlas
@edborlas 3 жыл бұрын
I the howling wind...comes the stinging rain
@alessandrogardenal1837
@alessandrogardenal1837 3 жыл бұрын
amazing 😍
@logananglin2074
@logananglin2074 3 жыл бұрын
Killer tune
@haguirrebena
@haguirrebena 3 жыл бұрын
epic
@thekhaosrider
@thekhaosrider 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for that, kept thinking it was from Flowered Up's 'Weekender'.
@jmathews4765
@jmathews4765 3 жыл бұрын
You should talk about the “Roland Jazz Chorus” Sound.
@TheBissco
@TheBissco 3 жыл бұрын
Yes! Please do a video on the history and iconic use of the Roland JC-120!
@richardschwarz7907
@richardschwarz7907 3 жыл бұрын
This one is good, best amp for Boss multieffects units and clean/stereo delay sounds.
@celticgibson
@celticgibson 3 жыл бұрын
I have the JC120. It's old stock from the 80s and it's still magical to this day.
@TheBissco
@TheBissco 3 жыл бұрын
@@celticgibson I know where my old one is, and I miss it! It seems to have a minor power problem where it intermittently cuts out, but that sound! Magical indeed!
@Bolockaye206
@Bolockaye206 3 жыл бұрын
I Absolutley agree
@misterknightowlandco
@misterknightowlandco 3 жыл бұрын
To me, one of the best guitar sounds ever is a Gretsch through a Vox. 🍻
@prateekpoddar1890
@prateekpoddar1890 3 жыл бұрын
Amen.
@jaxon5905
@jaxon5905 3 жыл бұрын
Yes sir.
@JakeTerch
@JakeTerch 3 жыл бұрын
Fender through a Fender Gretsch through a Vox Gibson through a Marshall
@TLMSif
@TLMSif 3 жыл бұрын
For me its the tele throught vox
@youssefkasim7556
@youssefkasim7556 3 жыл бұрын
This is the way.
@Sooby007
@Sooby007 3 жыл бұрын
Man that Strat -> AC30 sounds good! Like the sun is out, but there’s snow on the ground and I can see my breathe. That’s what it sounds like. ❤️
@fredstgelais
@fredstgelais 3 жыл бұрын
Wow! This is eerily accurate!!
@liquidtoaster
@liquidtoaster 3 жыл бұрын
Beautiful imagery and so accurate!
@yonitznkc
@yonitznkc 3 жыл бұрын
Hmm. It sounded like how ‘barbecued chocolate’ tastes, to me.
@Sooby007
@Sooby007 3 жыл бұрын
@@yonitznkc Yeah but it's sitting on the snowy ground in the sun.
@DMSProduktions
@DMSProduktions 3 жыл бұрын
HOW do you see your breathe?
@Podcastage
@Podcastage 2 жыл бұрын
This video is awesome Rhett. So fascinating hearing the history and the sound of Vox!
@ScottTheNews
@ScottTheNews 3 жыл бұрын
Years ago in the 90’s I was working in a music shop in Sydney. What I noticed about the AC30’s that we were selling was that no matter how you set the dials there was always a useful sound to be had. Amazing amps. I wish that I bought one.
@dingalarm
@dingalarm 11 ай бұрын
On the contrary, I think it *does* matter how the dials are set. Before I knew anything about getting the "right" sound from a valve amp, I plugged into an AC30 played at low volume. I naively thought it should sound great, but I just got a dull, clean tone, and was very disappointed 😂 This was at Venue Music.
@eccollins
@eccollins 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Rhett, great info and demo. The AC30 "essential" that no one talks about is the original chrome stands. In the 1960s, none of the British Invasion bands ever used the AC30 sitting on the stage or studio floor. With a 90 degree baffle, the AC30 pushes about 30% of the speaker projection into the floor, either reflecting the sound back up off a hard surface and causing phase cancellation, or being absorbed into a carpeted floor, both causing a loss of volume. The AC30 is louder, clearer and projects more like a 4x12 half-stack with the chrome stand. Highly recommended.
@vincentl.9469
@vincentl.9469 Жыл бұрын
how about in the next 2 years or so a Tone master VoxAC30? it could happen if tube technology gets too expensive to make or people find they dont need it..
@ThadBrown
@ThadBrown 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent discussion as always, but one other point about the lack of negative feedback. First, it makes the speaker an even more integral part of the circuit since you can't 'hide' the behavior of the speaker behind the negative feedback. So if you put a great sounding, efficient EV speaker in your AC it might be a great speaker but it will change a LOT about how the amp acts. Second, the lack of negative feedback means that the transition from 'clean' to 'distorted' much more subtly. I don't know now many times I've played a part on a vox and then listened to it in isolation and thought, 'Whoa, that's WAY more distorted than I thought.' The amp transitions from clean to distorted, even on the same note, elegantly. So you can have a 'distorted' that sounds cleaner than it is. As for other options, the Top Hat AC copies are great, and the Catalinbread Galileo is a super option.
@calgarytalent
@calgarytalent 3 жыл бұрын
This is one of the best videos I've ever seen on youtube of ANY kind dude. Thank you for that well articulated knowledge. Invaluable.
@altonreid9726
@altonreid9726 3 жыл бұрын
This is an absolute great series Rhett. I hope you’ll continue.
@j.a.s.1416
@j.a.s.1416 3 жыл бұрын
Vox is the greatest sound ever. Most underrated best home/recording amp is the Vox AC10. Don't even get me started with the Limited Edition with a Celestian V-Type speaker.... 🎸
@matimoksa
@matimoksa 3 жыл бұрын
also the Pathfinder 15 is a keeper!
@abrahamruiz8473
@abrahamruiz8473 3 жыл бұрын
I have that exact amp too, great clean sound, and even a dirty sound too. Handles pedals really well, and just great all around. And that reverb though!
@fernank017
@fernank017 3 жыл бұрын
i creamed on my creamback for the authenthicc toans, ok?
@ras7316
@ras7316 3 жыл бұрын
Yep. I also have the AC-10. The tubes went out during the warranty period and the guy that repaired it upgraded the tubes and it went from really good to really great.
@fivewattworld
@fivewattworld 3 жыл бұрын
Agreed. The little AC10C1 is an amazing at home Vox experience, and really though branded at 10 watts is running a pair of El84's and can go toe to toe with any Princeton I've played, and is, hence in my book, giggable.
@cliverkay
@cliverkay 3 жыл бұрын
Years ago , I was at the Marshall factory being shown round by JIm and he showed me the Vox's coming off the lines. I could see it gave him great satisfaction as Vox was his competitor in the 60's and the fact that he was making them made him smile !!
@DavidDiMuzio
@DavidDiMuzio 2 жыл бұрын
Love this video. This is the second time I’ve watched it all the way through 🤩
@Breakbeats92.5
@Breakbeats92.5 3 жыл бұрын
30 years from now, some kid that is just as enamored with the history of Rock and the devices that made it possible will talk about amps with the same passion as you. This is why I love music.
@JakeTerch
@JakeTerch 3 жыл бұрын
This series has quickly become my favorite of Rhett’s, keep ‘em coming buddy!
@wesleygraham786
@wesleygraham786 3 жыл бұрын
"What is the Mesa Boogie sound?" Do this next!
@TheNocturnalEvil
@TheNocturnalEvil 3 жыл бұрын
Which one, because they have multiple series of amps that are voiced different from each other? The Mark, Rectifier, Triple Crown, and Fillmore series amps sound completely different from each other. The bass heavy and scooped Mesa Boogie tonality everyone speaks of is of the Rectifier series amps.
@cchavez248
@cchavez248 3 жыл бұрын
The Mesa Boogie sound is," Wahhh, you can't talk about our Cab Clone like that!" Lol
@aidanleach7677
@aidanleach7677 3 жыл бұрын
I agree... like so many punk pop bands used them for their sound
@yomuthabyotch
@yomuthabyotch 3 жыл бұрын
fart into a toilet paper tube in front of a mic midi'd to an overdriven amp and that's the MB sound.
@aidanleach7677
@aidanleach7677 3 жыл бұрын
@@yomuthabyotch i mean ur not wrong.... at least its not worse.... like certain brands.
@divebomb99
@divebomb99 3 жыл бұрын
The conciseness of your thoughts and explanations is fantastic, in all your videos. Great job.
@stratocasterxyz
@stratocasterxyz 2 жыл бұрын
just got back into guitar after a 5-6yr break and this channel has re-inspired me to dive into the beautiful world of guitars, amps, and pedals all over again. Thank you for the great content, you have my sub.
@fivewattworld
@fivewattworld 3 жыл бұрын
Nice Rhett. Really loved the playing examples on this one. What is that new to you Strat man? In any case, this is on my SH list for the near future. Absolutely classic tones.
@Sooby007
@Sooby007 3 жыл бұрын
Keeeeeeeeeiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiitttttttttt............. wait for it............... hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!
@thenoobshotu
@thenoobshotu 3 жыл бұрын
It looks like the new American Pro II, but I could be wrong on that
@jkta97
@jkta97 2 жыл бұрын
@@thenoobshotu It is. I have the same one and color, except mine has a maple fretboard.
@Testostenori
@Testostenori 2 жыл бұрын
@@jkta97 That one is better
@guilhermearoeira8900
@guilhermearoeira8900 3 жыл бұрын
The Vox sound is a Fender amp that smoked 2 packs of cigar before the breackfest.
@joeyjo-joshabadu9636
@joeyjo-joshabadu9636 3 жыл бұрын
2 "packs" of cigars? You mean what Michael Jordan smokes in a month?
@getulioprates
@getulioprates 3 жыл бұрын
Massa Guilherme! Eu esqueci quem fez esta frase. Muito bem lembrada! Você se lembra quem foi? Great quote, I heard it before, a long time ago but I don't remember who said that first.
@guilhermearoeira8900
@guilhermearoeira8900 3 жыл бұрын
@@getulioprates , li em algum comentário no KZbin. Desde então...
@SamLazier
@SamLazier 3 жыл бұрын
Did you just copy the top comment from the fender/vox/marshall comparison video? I still remember that one 😁
@vbgbiomed
@vbgbiomed 3 жыл бұрын
@@SamLazier bingo!
@neilritson7445
@neilritson7445 2 ай бұрын
This is the best tube session I've seen - & the comments are so professional and knowledgeable.
@thigarciaable
@thigarciaable 2 жыл бұрын
I just love that series... Thank you so much for sharing!
@dakotahrivers6640
@dakotahrivers6640 3 жыл бұрын
Man, Rhett... Even just the little bits of music you make for these videos all have such great song potential. I can't even write one good song and you make several of them per video.
@Squiershire
@Squiershire 3 жыл бұрын
I had a Vox AC15 and it was my go-to until I had to move and downsize - the Gen 1 Vox Night Train 15 head has been invaluable for me since then. It gets me the chime I love so much and also some very killer high-gain stages. A very good alternative for people wanting the chime without the heft of a full amp.
@aepoc66
@aepoc66 3 жыл бұрын
Love this video, thank you for taking the time. How do you not have millions and millions of subscribers Rhett?
@SpedSpedding
@SpedSpedding 3 жыл бұрын
Loved this video. Thanks Rhett. 🙏🏻🔥
@14djfunk
@14djfunk 3 жыл бұрын
Funny that one guy's hearing loss may be the reason for the VOX chime. Proof that objective perfection has no place in art.
@wesleyc.4937
@wesleyc.4937 3 жыл бұрын
I have a bad leg, but thanks to my artist friend, my good one is made of wood.
@emilyadams3228
@emilyadams3228 3 жыл бұрын
And how many Vox's, years later, caused hearing loss...the wheel comes around. tee hee It's just a joke, no need to get amped up & declare Marshall Law.
@truckercowboyed2638
@truckercowboyed2638 3 жыл бұрын
@@emilyadams3228 oh Marshall, i see what you did there......
@TheHumppaidiootti
@TheHumppaidiootti 3 жыл бұрын
Another one with hearing loss was Leo Fender. His amp designs get progressively brighter as his hearing loss progressed.
@VlrGuitarWorld
@VlrGuitarWorld 3 жыл бұрын
Rory Gallagher on my mind...the reason I love Vox & Strat combination.
@boogie2266
@boogie2266 3 жыл бұрын
And I just thought no one would mention him. I haven't heard his name in any of Rick's videos too which is a shame!
@VlrGuitarWorld
@VlrGuitarWorld 3 жыл бұрын
@@boogie2266 Such an underrated guitarist..
@josephgrogan6052
@josephgrogan6052 3 жыл бұрын
Underrated alright and Brian may owes his sound to Rory yet no one talks about him
@VlrGuitarWorld
@VlrGuitarWorld 3 жыл бұрын
@@josephgrogan6052 True..even Rhett miss him here big time..
@georgefromgreece4119
@georgefromgreece4119 3 жыл бұрын
Rory is a legend! Another one with strat/ box combo is Ritchie Blackmore.
@AnthonyRydman
@AnthonyRydman 2 жыл бұрын
I have come back to watch this video several times of since you posted it. The tones are amazing! Today I finally made the choice to order one. Thanks Rhett. Loving all your videos.
@resharpsharpening3024
@resharpsharpening3024 3 жыл бұрын
Great video. Would like to see more of these. Enjoy the technical aspect
@fuzzysurf1083
@fuzzysurf1083 3 жыл бұрын
Very cool video Rhett. Before I owned a Vox amp, I was using a studio's Line 6 DT50. I selected the 'AC30' setting for a song we were tracking and fell in love with that tone. I was using a Stratocaster with pickup position 2. The tone was quacky, yes, but it also had this sparkle that's so awesome and hard to describe. I've been a Vox fan ever since.
@Lakaiordie235
@Lakaiordie235 3 жыл бұрын
Can't believe no mention of Rory Gallagher! He's May's inspiration sound-wise! And what a job he did with the AC30!
@timothyvandyke9840
@timothyvandyke9840 3 жыл бұрын
Oh yeah... Rory Gallagher was better then the record company would let him be ..1959 strat.... I have a 1970 tele.. And it plays like butter
@Bless_darealone
@Bless_darealone 3 жыл бұрын
Agreed man Whole reason i started liking vox is cause of rory
@richardcray2919
@richardcray2919 2 жыл бұрын
@@timothyvandyke9840 Rory strat was 61 or 62
@kymodo817
@kymodo817 2 жыл бұрын
The shadows!
@NoirL.A.
@NoirL.A. Жыл бұрын
prolly because RORY G. used many amps over the years the VOX was only one of several.
@dylanclay5267
@dylanclay5267 3 жыл бұрын
I really dig this series of videos you’ve been doing! I’ve been wanting to get into the vox world lately and a big part of that reason is the tone you always get from them
@swimant0
@swimant0 3 жыл бұрын
Enjoying this series. Thank you!
@TheToneLounge
@TheToneLounge 3 жыл бұрын
Now you’re talking! Those are the amps that I cover the most on my channel! Love me some Vox. Great video by the way. Cheers
@TeleCS
@TeleCS 3 жыл бұрын
Love your channel too. 👍🏻
@TheToneLounge
@TheToneLounge 3 жыл бұрын
@@TeleCS thank you 🙏🏽
@nlmal4
@nlmal4 3 жыл бұрын
Good channel for Vox AC15,.
@chronicmango
@chronicmango 3 жыл бұрын
I think a lot of people are sleeping on the new AC10's. Everyone I know who has one loves them.
@StockportJambo
@StockportJambo 2 жыл бұрын
My main guitar is a Burns Brian May Red Special, from 2001, plugged into a (Chinese) AC30 C2X via a treble booster, and it sounds great. Recently, I've gone the whole hog & output to three amps (the other two 'side amps' are small VOX MV15-ACs to 8" Cambridge speakers) for the full BM sound. 800ms delay to one side, 1600ms to the other, and a dry centre into the AC30 itself. It's taken me two decades to build / buy this setup, and I'm really happy with it.
@ianlmackay
@ianlmackay 3 жыл бұрын
well done Rhett, very informative, with great examples !
@jonlag3000
@jonlag3000 3 жыл бұрын
I got a set of TAD replacement tubes from Stewmac for my AC15 and I was shocked at the difference they made in that harsh top end. It’s like a whole new (and much better) amp. Great video, as always; thanks!
@jwvanhorn
@jwvanhorn 3 жыл бұрын
I did a full tube swap(Mullards) on my AC30 C2 and the difference was night and day which must have something to do with the preamp tubes and the lack of a negative feedback loop because I didn't think a tube change would make such a difference!
@lanceg1312
@lanceg1312 3 жыл бұрын
I got my first vox yesterday, an AC15. It's already turning my world upside down, though--I've been playing around with little solid-state amps for like 15 years and I think I should have got this amp at least two guitars ago. To think I almost got another guitar again! Granted it's been less than 24 hours, but it's surpassing my expectations every time I turn it on. I've heard people say Vox's are picky about guitars, but I think they might mean relative to similar tier amps because all of my guitars sound better than they ever have. My main guitar is a Gretsch (so, of course, it sounds great) but even my first guitar, an Epiphone Les Paul Junior, sounds almost uncomfortably good through it. I've never been much of a fanboy for anything but I think I could do commercials for Vox.
2 жыл бұрын
im going insane over the drum tone and those explosive hitas on the intro, like it sounds fantastic, like something that if i heard on a classic bowie id be like WOW that drum sound is fantastic, congrats on nailing that. and the rest of the video too, your videos are ridiculously great
@mrredritehand
@mrredritehand 3 жыл бұрын
I really enjoy this series Rhett, great work!
@EstelonAgarwaen
@EstelonAgarwaen 3 жыл бұрын
the vox vtx line also models the vox amps really well. i noticed a certain upper midrange sound that is just vox. also really good with a fuzz.
@jaxon5905
@jaxon5905 3 жыл бұрын
My main rig right now, guitars and amp wise, is an SG standard from 1970, and a Gretsch 5422tg through a vox ac15. It breaks up beautifully, I love it.
@cowboycalebbroersma
@cowboycalebbroersma 3 жыл бұрын
My number 1 guitar is a 2019 sg tribute. Sounds amazing. It also goes great with my super strat as well surprisingly
@danielcgomez
@danielcgomez 3 жыл бұрын
Really great series Rhett! ...keep 'em coming!
@gb1389
@gb1389 Жыл бұрын
Great video. Thanks, Rhett
@josephgaffney7829
@josephgaffney7829 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Rhett, another great video and great playing. Bullet the Blue Sky! One thing - only the very 1st AC30's (several years before the Top Boost circuit) had EF86 preamp tubes. Denny realized the AC30 was too powerful for the EF86 due to vibrations causing microphonics, so he redesigned the amp using only 12AX7 in the preamp. The AC15 kept the EF86, at least until JMI sold Vox. The first Korg AC30 that was produced by Marshall does not have an EF86 either.
@marcusdluxe
@marcusdluxe 3 жыл бұрын
I have an AC15 which I run alongside my orange and there's something magic that cuts through. No matter what I'm using into the Orange the Vox cuts through even if its reading out at a lower level.
@tylersole8881
@tylersole8881 3 жыл бұрын
Love the sounds you were getting with the strat especially.
@ahobimo732
@ahobimo732 3 жыл бұрын
I have an AC15 and love it madly. It's so simple and powerful. Everyone talks about the "chime", but it can do so much more than just that. Like Rhett says, this amp can do pretty much anything. And imo, there is no replacement for a genuine, old school, tube driven amp.
@christian_oz
@christian_oz Жыл бұрын
Great video and taking for taking the time to put it together. Just a quick comment @Rhett, when you double the power, e.g. AC15 -> AC30, you don't double the volume. Because the relationship between power and volume is logarithmic, you would have to go from 10W to 100W to double the volume.
@fatsuperfly
@fatsuperfly 3 жыл бұрын
I’m a metal guy, but I’ve always loved vox for the cleans and just going into that dirt cleanly. They really are awesome amps. I get older and I’m getting into more amps that are not dirty. I try others, they are also amazing. But at a music store I’ll plug into a vox. They can get dirty but clean , love this
@craigjacob3704
@craigjacob3704 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for making the technical aspects of this stuff more understandable a and not in a snobbish way. I'm hooked and subscribed. New learner with all budget equipment but look forward to getting the good stuff. Can't wait to be able to pair a Rickenbacker and a VOX
@adrianwaldron5835
@adrianwaldron5835 3 жыл бұрын
Hey Rhett, I've been following you across a few accounts for years now and this video was immaculate! Probably one of the best (in my opinion) production and flow yet! Great job man, keep up the great work.
@urbansoban2669
@urbansoban2669 3 жыл бұрын
Also, if I may add, the beauty of Vox amps is also that they respond truly amazingly to playing dynamics, attack and volume pot.
@neilritson7445
@neilritson7445 2 ай бұрын
Yes - just found out!!! just changing one Strat tone knob changed the attack completely on my VOX 50 valvetronix.
@dawg4079
@dawg4079 3 жыл бұрын
Rhett has the best music channel imo on KZbin. Tone is always outstanding, everytime im thinking about gear or a purchase a new video pops up with what I'm considering. Keep up the awesomeness Rhett!
@aarenmundzakmusic1550
@aarenmundzakmusic1550 3 жыл бұрын
I have an AC15 and have been waiting for this video for such a long time
@jghillstudio1857
@jghillstudio1857 3 жыл бұрын
Great video Rhett, great flow and sound with the video.
@zeroamplification
@zeroamplification 3 жыл бұрын
There's no such thing as a "low headroom tube" it's purely based on circuit design. Different tubes put out different power levels so breakup vs. volume level can be argued but tubes are just tubes on their own. EF86 is a pentode preamp tube which not all Vox's have, I'd say non-top boost, non-EF86 Vox's still have the Vox sound and plenty of pentode preamp designs like the Gibson GA-20 or GA-40 don't have a Vox sound. Not being difficult, just want folks to have the most accurate info about the murky and confusing world of tube amplification! Awesome video!
@LawrencePetross
@LawrencePetross 3 жыл бұрын
What I think Rhett is referring to here in this video regarding tube breakup, specifically the EL84 vs 6L6 comparison, is the amount of input signal to full output of the tube. An EL84 at 300 VDC only needs ~10 VRMS signal to reach full output in Class A Push-Pull, whereas a 6L6 at 450 VDC (where they are run in most tube amps) needs ~50 VRMS to reach full output. The EL84 needs much less drive than the 6L6 to reach full output.
@zeroamplification
@zeroamplification 3 жыл бұрын
@@LawrencePetross 100% it's just tough to say an EL84 is a "low headroom" tube to this many people because they walk away thinking they can't get headroom out of an EL84 amp. That was the main point in leaving the comment, EL84's can do it all just like 6L6's (just proportionally so).
@LawrencePetross
@LawrencePetross 3 жыл бұрын
@@zeroamplification Exactly it's all scaling and makes logical sense. An amplifier like the EL84 has an output of roughly 12 watts class AB fixed bias and the 6L6 has an output of roughly 30 watts class AB fixed bias. The input to full output ratio scales perfectly. 1.2:1 for both tubes.
@zeroamplification
@zeroamplification 3 жыл бұрын
@@LawrencePetross As long as we're following similar load lines and middle of the road voltages. As you know by your awesome designs there's a lot more than one answer and none are "right" just different which is what makes this stuff so fun! Thanks for the dialog and thanks again to Rhett for putting out compelling content that helps people broaden their horizons!
@LawrencePetross
@LawrencePetross 3 жыл бұрын
@@zeroamplification Totally 🤘🤘
@skittlybeepbop13
@skittlybeepbop13 3 жыл бұрын
The best part of vox is the fact that they sound so good and are affordable. But if you want a more boutique hand wired you can go that route as well.
@bpabustan
@bpabustan 3 жыл бұрын
sadly not in our country though, an AC30 is still beyond a working musician's budget here.
@andriealinsangao613
@andriealinsangao613 Жыл бұрын
@@bpabustan God, couldn't have said it better myself!
@tonepilot
@tonepilot 3 жыл бұрын
Love these videos that go into the history of gear.
@MrMatt-sm5mi
@MrMatt-sm5mi 2 жыл бұрын
Love the Bullet The Blue Sky opening! Thanks for the video.
@IanOPadrick
@IanOPadrick 3 жыл бұрын
This series has primarily been specific to brands, so maybe this wouldn't work as a possible topic, but I'd be really interested in a 'What is the "Res-o-Glass" Sound' video. Like, old Airline, Supro, and National guitars, and how they compare to the reissues made today.
@brandowhitemusic
@brandowhitemusic 3 жыл бұрын
Yes
@jamesmiller3244
@jamesmiller3244 3 жыл бұрын
I've been playing a modern Ac15c1 for just over a year now, it was originally fitted with a green speaker, last month I changed it out to a blue and its WELL worth the change. Most modern vox's have can get too harsh on the top end (especially when turned up loud) but with a blue it just sounds way for smooth to the ear but still retaining the chime.
@ewetoo
@ewetoo 2 жыл бұрын
Weird, my AC151c1 greenback sounds just fine and warm, I suspect it's a case of your local acoustics. I was expecting the Chinese tubes to sound harsh and was prepared to swap them out but I was very surprised to find how nice the amp sounded, and my flat has brick walls so it's not like I don't have sharp reflective surfaces. I'm sticking with the greenbacks.
@guitarradioshow
@guitarradioshow 3 жыл бұрын
Great Vid! I’ve been playing VOX for 4 years now, I’m so regretful I didn’t sooner. It’s totally changed everything for me. Headroom for days and such an incredibly pedal friendly platform. My search is finally over.
@CorvetteStingRayLane
@CorvetteStingRayLane 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome video message and thank you.
@Likelylogan_
@Likelylogan_ 3 жыл бұрын
“What is the vox sound?” Really good, that’s what
@funwithdirt7076
@funwithdirt7076 3 жыл бұрын
I owned a Vox AC15HW for a few years and that amp sounded amazing. The only gripe about it isn't a gripe worth considering because, of course, you have to really drive the amp to get the killer breakup. Late last year, I sold the amp in favor of the "Chime" model on the Strymon Iridium. I get that sound without rattling the windows.
@tubularbill
@tubularbill 3 жыл бұрын
Wonderful video. I learned a lot. Thanks so much!
@CarvedTop
@CarvedTop 3 жыл бұрын
Rhett, love your comments about the modeling tools that emulate the Vox AC sound. I have a single cut with P90s, and bought a Vox AC30 Amplug to practice with. I loved the sound so much, I finally bought an AC15C1, and I’ve never been happier.😎
@sassulusmagnus
@sassulusmagnus 3 жыл бұрын
The early 90's UK built AC30/6TB and TBX amps are indeed wonderful sounding, surprisingly loud amps. People point out that these amps are not hand wired, that the preamp tube sockets are mounted to the circuit board, and that they have a (non-traditional) standby switch. The circuit itself, however, is closer to the original AC30/6 circuit than any other modern Vox AC30 amp. When Vox introduced the 6 input version of the AC30 (AC30/6) in late 1960 the company replaced the EF86 tube with a 12AX7. EF86 tone is wonderful, but the AC30/6 originally did not feature that tube. It was found in the previous version, the four input AC30/4.
@tron944
@tron944 3 жыл бұрын
Rory Gallagher is the reason Brian May played a Vox AC30, Brian was a teenager when he met Rory after a show and explained his Vox and Treble Booster combo to young Brian . Look up the Brian May interview talking about Rory's influence.
@avenue6.554
@avenue6.554 3 жыл бұрын
Great video! I’m just beginning with the electric after years of being a “campfire” acoustic player. I watched this and immediately plugged into my modelling amp, found the Vox model and started learning Breakdown. Thanks for the inspiration.
@gsmeeuwsen
@gsmeeuwsen 3 жыл бұрын
Great video, Rhett!
@giuseppereina4434
@giuseppereina4434 3 жыл бұрын
AC30 is my favourite as well. For long time I was a Fender guy now I can’t play without my AC30 and the ‘61 SG
@BoneMachine28
@BoneMachine28 3 жыл бұрын
... and The Cult! Billy Duffy uses an AC30 in his arsenal, and this guitarist is a living legend.
@JohnOShaughnessy
@JohnOShaughnessy 2 жыл бұрын
Loved this! thanks mate!
@AverageHuman7026
@AverageHuman7026 Жыл бұрын
You’re videos are great. I learned a lot I didn’t know about Vox. Happy subscriber here. Thanks!
@diegotobar6839
@diegotobar6839 3 жыл бұрын
The Chime setting on my Iridium is hands down may favorite. You'll never fully understand an AC30 unless you crank the Volume past 2'o'clock. Kinda hard to do that in an apt without being evicted but the Iridium lets me do just that
@leftyshep
@leftyshep 3 жыл бұрын
I agree! Chime is also my favorite on the iridium. Also my Paisley drive can close imitate that Vox drive tone on a clean fender.
@jacksonwth281s2
@jacksonwth281s2 3 жыл бұрын
It's hard to be in a room with one at that volume. They have to be so loud to break up
@diegotobar6839
@diegotobar6839 3 жыл бұрын
@@jacksonwth281s2 I bought an ac15 thinking I could use it in my bedroom.. nahh still LOUD
@MarkPritchardGuitar
@MarkPritchardGuitar 3 жыл бұрын
When i think of VOX, i think of Brian May, The Beatles and The Edge. Its a great sounding amp but i do like the Morgan AC20, i think it does that AC30 thing but better. Love these video's Rhett, keep them coming.
@PaulWW36
@PaulWW36 3 жыл бұрын
Rarely think about the Edge at all :-) Saw Rory Gallagher who had an AC30 on a chair, greatest sound ever !
@b0705307
@b0705307 3 жыл бұрын
Brian May got the idea of treble booster and ac30 from Rory Gallagher after seeing Taste live and asking him how he got the amazing soond
@CarvedTop
@CarvedTop 3 жыл бұрын
When I think of Vox, I think Beatles and Brian May. When I think of The Edge, I think Memory Man Deluxe 5 knob.......🔊
@johnnydio5803
@johnnydio5803 3 жыл бұрын
@@PaulWW36 Gallagher for the win, Paul.. every time mate.
@andrelangenbach4202
@andrelangenbach4202 3 жыл бұрын
@@b0705307 When I think of Brian May, I think of at least 30m coil cable. Maybe with a shorter straight cable or a wireless transmitter the treble booster wouldn't be necessary at all? ...ok I'm no expert :)
@mralgebro
@mralgebro 2 жыл бұрын
These strat tones are killer. That strat vox combo is what made me want to play guitar!
@7viewerlogic670
@7viewerlogic670 3 жыл бұрын
Great video Rhett!
@jessemontano6399
@jessemontano6399 3 жыл бұрын
I have a vox expression pedal. Many amp and cab combos etc..it has a preamp tube(12ax7 i think) Sounds really good. Idk just throwin it out there. Have a nice day everyone
@grhoward5262
@grhoward5262 3 жыл бұрын
Rhett, you left out one thing that is a big part of the Vox AC15/30 sound, and that is the output tubes being cathode-biased instead of fixed-bias. Also, the Korg era AC30's don't have an EF86 pre-amp. Only the very first AC30 twins did (1961), and some of the recent additions to the AC30 line have it, but the classic AC30's and everything up through Korg have pre-amps based on the ubiquitous 12AX7.
@handmadeindustrial
@handmadeindustrial 3 жыл бұрын
I think the ef86 are very often microphonic. The close proximity to the loud speakers make it difficult.
@ziccuj
@ziccuj 3 жыл бұрын
Spot on. Most of the AC30's didn't have EF86 in their preamp - I have two from '64 (top boost and non top boost) and neither has it. In vintage (and also modern) AC15's, on the other hand, it's pretty much always there. Also the tiny little AC-4 with an 8" speaker (the original, not the reissue which is a totally different amp) had a EF86-based preamp section. I happen to have one of those as well - coincidently from '64 like its bigger brothers.
@ziccuj
@ziccuj 3 жыл бұрын
@@handmadeindustrial It's true that it's a bit more difficult to find an EF86 that's not microphonic than for example an ECC83/12AX7, but there are still good ones out there. Try Telefunken, Valvo, Mullard, Brimar etc... not cheap but they have excellent tone and long life. You end up saving money in the long run not having to replace the tube that often, and most importantly: you're playing with superior tone, so it's a win-win there.
@handmadeindustrial
@handmadeindustrial 3 жыл бұрын
@@ziccuj I saw something about winged “c” being pretty stable. I bought a bunch from a Russian seller on eBay. May have been a Dr. Z recommendation.
@chipsterb4946
@chipsterb4946 3 жыл бұрын
@@ziccuj the extreme lengths DIY amp builders go to attempting to reduce microphonics in EF-86 preamp tubes would be hilarious if they weren’t so damn frustrated. Special tube sockets, retention systems, even foam wrapped around the tube (hopefully it won’t melt?). It’s a problem with that tube and nasty when it shows up. I have enough problems with my home built amps without tackling that challenge but I’ve always been tempted.
@bitdraftaudio8949
@bitdraftaudio8949 3 жыл бұрын
so informativ, huge thanks man
@mh-oh8kf
@mh-oh8kf 3 жыл бұрын
I have one of those 90’s Korg AC30’s and I love it
@fenderbendr4625
@fenderbendr4625 3 жыл бұрын
You should do a “What is the Hiwatt sound?” Next!
@jwvanhorn
@jwvanhorn 3 жыл бұрын
I wish you'd mentioned the EQ on the AC30 because it's a strange animal and I think it's another ingredient in the Vox secret sauce. There's no knob for mids, but once you get the hang of dialing in the right balance using the treble and bass knobs, any harshness from the treble can be rolled off with the tone cut knob. I have a Chinese AC30 with greenbacks and I leave the tone cut knob around noon for that reason. Maybe it's not a purist's AC30 tone, but I love the extra dirt and warmth the greenbacks provide. I also own a Helix, and I agree the AC30 tones it can do are pretty spot on especially your AC30 patches.
@seantoxikmartin6259
@seantoxikmartin6259 3 жыл бұрын
Great Video Rhett!
@srt8speed
@srt8speed 3 жыл бұрын
You are one smart cat! Thanks man, I always learn something from your videos!
@davidwinthrop7077
@davidwinthrop7077 3 жыл бұрын
Hank Marvin, Rory Gallagher, Brian May, The Edge, Johnny Greenwood, The Beatles. All great sounds, all different, all Vox AC30 amps!
@pensiveboogie
@pensiveboogie 2 жыл бұрын
In your review of the Vox AC30 you left out some very important information, mainly around The Shadows and in particular, Hank Marvin. The Shadows, Cliff Richard's backing band, and an instrumental quartet in their own right, initially used VOX AC15 amps, but with screaming fans and playing in larger venues, they needed more power, so The Shadows approached Vox to help, and the upshot was the AC30. At the time, The Shadows guitarists played strats into AC30s. Do yourself a favour and listen to some early '60's Shadows music - Apache, The Savage, Kon Tiki, Man Of Mystery, The Frightened City. (They switched to Burns guitars in the mid '60's) I read a report in a guitar magazine many years ago that said that a VOX AC30, partnered with a Rickenbacker 12 string produces the best chiming, jingle-jangle tone. By the way, Brian May does not use a wall of sound. His backline shows 9 AC30s, but he really just uses three, on the floor in front of the stacks, angled away and miked individually so each of them feeds an echo system, amp 1 is the primary, amp 2 is the secondary, with a few microseconds delay, and amp 3 adds yet more delay. This config gives Brian the ability to play harmonies with himself. Finally, if you look for a KZbin video called "Cliff Richard and The Shadows: The Final Reunion" taken from a world tour in 2009-2010 you will see behind Hank and Bruce a familiar looking amp lineup. They look like Vox AC30s but they are labeled JMI, an English outfit that produces authentic Vox AC30 replicas.
@johncurcio9806
@johncurcio9806 2 жыл бұрын
this is a very well done and well played video
@crozcrosbie3895
@crozcrosbie3895 3 жыл бұрын
excellent piece of amp history... really well presented and explained... thanks
@pablofichaje
@pablofichaje 3 жыл бұрын
There's one guy who, in my opinion, made the AC30 sound perfectly: Rory Gallagher
@josgroth9154
@josgroth9154 3 жыл бұрын
Man, the Edge is a Genius
@martydibergi5228
@martydibergi5228 3 жыл бұрын
It is producer musician extraordinar Daniel Lanois who is at the Head of the Classroom 🎸🐕
@diggy2107
@diggy2107 3 жыл бұрын
Rhett ,love your video's!
@rowanwhile
@rowanwhile 2 жыл бұрын
Mate, thanks so much for this vid.. You proper helped me out
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