What is The Worst Mythical Pokemon?

[@axearmor214]

100 stats across the board just isn't enough these days...

[@Eternatus00]

Not just "isn't enough" 100 is straight up bad nowadays

[@bluespy4050]

“It doesn’t have much, but it does have that base 100 stat” - Haydunn

[@alacsonsmth]

It arguably was never enough, Jirachi for example is good not because of its stats, but typing, ability, and movepool. Edit: oh yeah mew, but since I think around gen 5-6 it’s been waning.

[@axearmor214]

@@bluespy4050 Agree.

[@homerman76]

​@Eternatus00 I wouldn't say straight up bad, just mediocre

[@FirstLastname604]

The funniest part about the hypothetical “top five strongest mythical pokemon” video is that shaymin will be there too

[@Comment3r555]

It's sky version

[@rondoudoushiney3868]

My goat marshadow will finally get some light

[@typhlosion7872]

A Shaymin? *the Shaymin puts on a Gracidea* SKY FORM SHAYMIN?!

[@raymondfrisbie8084]

@@typhlosion7872 ah a man of culture, take my upvote

[@wizard5552]

I actually hestitated on if skymin can be top 5 lol

[@the_bookworm8281]

Learning that this video was originally going to be a "How BAD was Phione ACTUALLY?" video, before FSG turned it into something different that does involve Phione, is a pretty funny twist of events. Mon is so bad that its competitive history can be summarized in a 2 minute section of a different, related video.

[@homerman76]

It's funny because this means bad Pokemon like Ledian had more of a competitive history than Phione did 😂

[@rike971]

​@homerman76 The Ledian video was a longer because FSG decided to troll knowing Ledian is bad anyways.

[@lancelotdegraaf3944]

they also did it with aron. Instead of making it just about it's LC career and it's version of FEAR, they made it a video about FEAR-strats and at the end talked about Aron's LC career.

[@AhmedHussain-ju6xd]

you know meloetta in its either forms isnt weak, just is in a predicament like zen mode darmanitan. If there was an item like the orbs to keep it in one form, it would be much better

[@mjdxp5688]

Still, I don't know if it'd be worth sacrificing an item slot just for Pirouette Form Meloetta.

[@GenesisSanctuary]

Even better, change Aria Song to be a move that can be used out of battle to switch Meloetta's form on the field, That way, you still keep the item slot free.

[@Rarest26]

@@mjdxp5688 It’s sort of a Mega Lopunny so… maybe?

[@bettyunicorn6132]

@@GenesisSanctuary That seems like the best solution. Even better if you can still change forms in battle if you really want to.

[@Flash33c]

@@GenesisSanctuary Or alternatively just make it so the form change doesn't revert when switched out. Sure there might be some situations where you'd want it to revert back upon switch out like say using Relic Song for the sleep chance while still being a sp.atker, choice set or not, but still those seem to be few and far between.

[@brandontherabboat4850]

Celebi and Shaymin are the definition of “athletes” who were legends in their prime, but have been clinging to it for years while a lack of betterment caused them to fall to the wayside as the up-and-comers redefine the game.

[@MrSoopSA]

The Brett Favre and Aaron Rodgers of Pokémon.

[@et34t34fdf]

Celebi could be fixed, give it fairy typing.

[@DubyaDeeEight]

Celebi does give off Russell Westbrook vibes

[@wanderlustwarrior]

"Four touchdowns in a single game..."

[@SerDerpish]

Pokemon don’t have the option to retire, unfortunately

[@paradocks184]

The irony of Celebi being bad competitively when it's about to completely tear apart TCG Pocket

[@ChilaAuroraVT]

Isn't every card doing that at this point. If a single on of these cards was in the actual TCG it'd be game breaking

[@number1-willstetsonsimp]

arcanine might be the countermeta now lol

[@Mepphy99]

celebi was pretty game breaking in its debut too Power Creep and time fucked It over

[@mechanicalsilence1]

The deck is so annoying to deal with... pure gamble nonsense. Uncounterable if you're unlucky.

[@ChaunchoCYM]

​@@ChilaAuroraVT You realize Pocket is massively scaled *down* in power when compared to the modern TCG? The current Charizard EX has 330 HP, ramps your team by 3 as soon as it enters the field, hits 180+ for 2 energy with the potential deal up to 330, and cannot be damaged by attacks while on the bench.

[@Missiletainn]

"Phione doesn't even get calm mind", it did get Take heart, which is calm mind plus refresh... but way too late for it to help with powercreep.

[@luirromenjivar1390]

At least is somewhat threatning in Randbats with that set tho

[@jacksbrow182]

​@@luirromenjivar1390yeah, that thing in randbats is terrifying

[@victinistar8968]

When FSG mentioned the idea of using Phione as a lower tier Manaphy, I just laughed. No Tail Glow, no Calm Mind (until Take Heart came by way too late), nothing. I love Manaphy, and I know it wouldn't get nearly as much use without a busted boosting move, so Phione had no shot.

[@shirshobanerjee7751]

I think if relic song worked by always using the stats of the other meloetta and scaling off of the higher attacking stat, that could make it better (not Ou by any means but good enough to actually see the pirouette form)

[@frostmourne1986]

The photon geyser treatment.

[@shirshobanerjee7751]

@@frostmourne1986 yes

[@saltysnoey9213]

For Meloetta It could be two moves entirely like Psychic "Relic Song" and Fighting "Relic Dance" and the form in the overworld and Battle is whichever fills the first move Slot. Then a bump in power from 75 to 80~90 including a bump 10% to either 12~15% to Sleep, Paralyze or Confuse. would be great. Considering we have Pokemon like Iron head jirachi with 60% flinch or zen headbutt with 40%. Or Current menace Dire Claw Sneasler with a 50% chance to Poison/Sleep/Paralyze. And instead of an item to switch between about a Version "Stance Change" to Something like "Dance Break", which refers when a Singer transitions from singing to focus on Dancing. Let's say you're in base form to trigger "Dance Break" you'd use a Dance or Step to swap into Pirouette Form, and vise versa with Sound or Singing move. With a secondary effect like a weaker "Dancer" like 40~45% chance to copy another Pokemon Dance/Step or Singing/Sound. Or "Punk Rock" with a 10~20% boost to mentioned moves and a resistance up to 30~40% to those moves. Finally 1 or 2 Normal, Psychic and/or Fighting moves with secondary effects. It has a wide move set, but a huge lack of good stab moves to use "Serene Grace" with. Its typing isn't too defensive and it bulk is ok

[@harukaze7388]

aria using relic song and turning into pirouette after, and pirouette turning into aria _before_ using relic song it's gimmicky, but always keeps a special attack on hand and gives a more or less free emergency switch this plus obviously just, staying transformed when switching out

[@saltysnoey9213]

@@harukaze7388 exactly

[@bdt2002gaming]

Trivia: Pokémon Ranger: Guardian Signs uniquely refers to Mythical Pokémon as “Rare Pokémon” outside of Japan where most other games still used the Legendary classification. It wasn’t until Keldeo’s worldwide debut in 2012 where international audiences were introduced to the term “Mythical”.

[@ivanzegarra9765]

Good old days where Hidden Power could be physical or special and you absolutely had to account for it

[@StarlightMagician]

If they ever do give bring back Hidden Power with Widespread distribution, it needs the "Scales based on higher attacking stat (Before buffs and debuffs)" treatment. Also a way of getting the type you want, but still. Doubt it'll happen, but hey, more quality of life changes couldn't hurt.

[@rjd1922]

6:50 Meloetta finally got Swords Dance in Scarlet and Violet. I wish it stayed in Pirouette Forme after switching out.

[@MegaLuros]

Outside of Japan, in gen3 mythicals were known as Toys'R'Us pokemons in the USA and ActionReplay pokemons in other parts of the world.

[@RobinNicoagain]

Or those that the rest rest rest of the world saw only on pokemon manuals and rare magazines from abroad. 😂

[@dhruvanand6695]

"Phione and Meltan being pre-evolutions of existing Pokémon." Here we go again...

[@BlazingCyberKnight95]

Meanwhile in PTCGP, Celebi is considered to be one of the most broken card in the game by pairing with Serperior’s ability.

[@bradleeez]

Lmao

[@typemasters2871]

And I’m Pokemon Masters where it has a 100% chance to flinch the opponent

[@angterrastriker]

Hmm I wonder why? And we all thought mewtwo ex was annoying and everywhere. Get ready for this bs. BTW there's no hard limit to how many coins celebi can flip

[@nikunjkhangwal]

​@@angterrastriker There's 990 damage limit

[@carto4028]

Blaine decks continue to eat well lol.

[@IEmulateGames]

4:38 Focus Blast will ALWAYS be known as Focus Miss. ALWAYS! I hate moves without perfect accuracy because I somehow always miss when it matters. 😭

[@pixelbro99]

I would rather have the secondary effect be a higher critical chance, like with Stone Edge. It feels like such a slap in the face to have it only lower Sp Def by 1 stage. 😢

[@ThatReallyIsNotOdd]

When I did a play through of Violet when it came out, I had a Kilowatttel with Dual Wingbeat. I missed that move legit every single time I used it, and I have hated that move ever since. When I taught that thing Air Slash I immediately felt like I got over my 5 stages of grief cause good lord I had never been this unlucky with anything in Pokemon.

[@victinistar8968]

As a wise man once said, if it's not 100% accurate, it's 50% accurate.

[@GoldGuard]

@@pixelbro99 Focus Blast doesn't have a secondary effect. For a move to have a secondary effect it would have to be able to hit in the first place

[@vashthestampede4090]

@@victinistar8968 Agreed

[@jruwilkerson1356]

We getting 5 "How bad was ... Actually" summaries in 1 video. Mythical style

[@rohunvangal4446]

Phione actually does get a calm mind adjacent move in gen 9: take heart, which also heals status. There's a strat on random battles sets with scale, take heart, rest + sleep talk to get the wake up AND a calm mind boost. Not a lot, and probably wayyy too late for any real niche in the current gen, but it exists

[@nicolasromani3523]

Meloetta needs to stay in one form during battle. Because as it is now it's like Zen mode Darmanitan.

[@homerman76]

Or to have some sort of adjustment to how relic song works plus maybe one other move that works similar to tera blast 🤔

[@pussmagic1541]

And especially give Meloetta a music note that has its own special slot all to itself and make Meloetta switch forms there and make it permanent and also use it outside of battle too. Working like the plats Arceus uses.

[@nikunjkhangwal]

What a timing considering Celebi released yesterday in TCG Pocket is wreaking havoc

[@griffonsarcade]

When a Sonic fan makes an argument about what color(s) Sonic's arms should be, it always reminds me of those guys that freak out when you call Mew a legendary.

[@robertlupa8273]

The difference is that _(as far as I'm aware)_ there's no mentally insane Pokemon fan who will physically assault you for making that mistake.

[@KVO723]

If they wanted to make Meloetta’s gimick of switching attacking types work, they should have made its EVs and maybe even natures switch stats with forms. Now THAT would be cool

[@Obamos04]

Celebi in Competitive Pokemon: Ok imma die. Celebi in the TCG: Ok imma kill.

[@stevenmattrell3448]

Funnily enough my rarest shiny Pokémon that I didn't get from an event is a shiny Phione. Was mass breeding them for online trading and ended up getting a shiny. I believe I initially got the initial Phione from Wonder Trade. Somehow not hacked.

[@LagrimaArdiente]

Hope none of the people I sweep at Pokedoku Tic-Tac-Toe learn about Serebii's list of Mythicals. 😂

[@willfredosauce]

And now Celebi has taken over TCG Pocket as revenge

[@MiffedKitten]

Wish these mons were more viable Here's how I'd buff these mons Love Meloetta My favourite Mythical Wish it was better though. Maybe if it had an ability that changed its form based on the type of move it used. For example if it used Close Combat, turns to pirouette form. Kind of like a variation of Protean but stats instead of type. They did it with Aegislash, why not Meloetta? And buff Relic song to have 20% base sleep chance. Also in case of Shaymin, make Seed Flare 100% accurate in grassy terrain. Celebi needs a special equivalent of the move Dire Claw that gives a volatile status instead; Confusion, Infatuation, Drowsiness. (Psychic types are immune) {Will infatuation work though? Is celebi genderless?} Hoopa needs a better ability. Maybe like an effect like Mind's eye but better, the moves used by this mon ignore type immunities. And give it the move Mystical Power. Meltan is literally meant to be weak and unevolved. Although just for fun, give it an ability like Moody that instead of boosts, will randomly make one of its base Stats (except HP) every turn to base 255 only for that turn while other stats remain the normal they are. Would be fun😂 As for Phione, Throw it away and never talk about it. It never happened. It doesn't exist

[@lopeasez8821]

4:39 focus miss got me crying

[@ChocolateSoda1]

Hit or miss I guess they never hit huh

[@Zwijger]

That's what every competetive player has been calling it for over a decade now.

[@Daniel-mo7bj]

I know everyone is gonna want a top 5 mythicals, but id love to see a few videos about how mythical pokemon would impact VGC, things like Arceus would be obviously cracked in gen 4 vgc, but im sure you guys could figure out a way to do interesting things with the idea

[@Rypio_39]

I swear they should have made Celebi a grass fairy Mon, since U-Turn is everywhere its so hard to play with it

[@UltimatePhantasm]

there is literally no excuse not to make it fairy, aside from maybe thematically getting STAB from Future Sight

[@dc_dachi]

I find it ironic that despite Bug being the worst offensive type in the game, being 4x weaker to it is usually a death sentence competitively just because of how insanely good U-Turn is. Plenty of meta staples can position around their 4x weaknesses to actually powerful types-Rock, Fire, Ice, Fighting, Electric, etc… but Bug of all things is just one of those types where you’re screwed if you get blown up by it because there’s no safe way to maneuver around it. Even worse, most Mythicals are ALSO weak to Dark, which is the other type you really don’t want to be weak to because of how spammable Knock Off and Sucker Punch is.

[@et34t34fdf]

​@@dc_dachialso, the fact that everything learns u-turn, is annoying, they should have restricted it more.

[@huh7366]

oooh this will be a good watch for lunch today

[@MacAnters]

I just ate dinner :(

[@wigglytuffenjoyer]

FSG is the best channel to watch while eating lunch

[@dispygratified4485]

Meloetta is my favorite mythical and yes she may be bad but at least she’s bad enough to make it on the thumbnail Huge Meloetta W

[@mdm767]

Meloetta is not bad at all trust me. Most people don't know how to use her

[@indiradevi8136]

She is good nu Mon

[@pussmagic1541]

​@@mdm767I haven't used one in battle, but would consider using one soon in the Indigo Disk or in Black and White remakes if I can't get Victini. Some people just give Meloetta not so great moves. I would have to look at what are the best moves for Meloetta to use.

[@Adebup]

Mythical Pokémon are (almost) always obtainable outside the games, while legendaries can get caught by anyone that plays the game casually

[@Anime-Doom]

Meloetta may not be competitively viable but that won't change the fact that it's been my favourite Mythical since Gen 5.

[@danielbischoff133]

Meloetta: Gen 5 - UU Gen 6 - RU Gen 7 - RUBL Gen 8 - Not in the game Gen 9 - PU It had its time, but you can't always be in the same place. - Because in every Generation there is a strong power creep.

[@chaosgallade2331]

Meloetta should have had a key item dedicated to it that allows it to switch between its Aria and Pirouette formes; it could be the guitar that the musician at Castelia used. Relic Song switching Meloetta’s formes in battle is too awkward and wastes a move slot especially considering that both formes do completely different things.

[@homerman76]

Either that, or maybe another signature attacking move that behaves similar to tera blast, meaning Meloetta can play an interesting form of mixed attacker 🤔

[@IschmarVI]

and headbutt ... and then troll the entire metagame with 60% flinch chance .... wait, why does that sound so familiar? -all hail twave rest snore meloetta-

[@spiritbaki108]

I wish Meloetta had a form change item so you can have her as her dance form without wasting a slot

[@pussmagic1541]

Same. Even just a special slot for a type changing music note that changes Meloetta into whatever type she wants all to itself, so she can use another item too. And definitely buff that BST because 600 overall is not enough for her (and the other Mythical Pokemon anymore) and expand her movepool.

[@victinistar8968]

When I saw the title, I immediately said Meltan would be number 1, no contest, forgetting Phione existed, and Manaphy is one of my favorites.

[@sun-does-shine]

Man ranking celebi under zarude feels really unfair considering celebi has seen OU dominance before and zarude has never been anything but mid

[@sagacious03]

Neat analysis video! Thanks for uploading!

[@christopherballero866]

100 stats got very power creeped also a weakness to dark and or ghost can really hurt if the Pokemon doesn't have very high speed. The ubiquity of dark and ghost moves hurt these mythicals quite a bit. Meltan is just really difficult to evolve

[@SharKing319]

So basically, Meloetta is Zen Mode Darmanitan all over again. I have no clue why Game Freak thought making these Pokémon transform into completely different, counterintuitive forms could possibly work in Gen 5, but thank goodness they cut that out afterwards. Hell, I'm betting this had some applicable lessons for the Mega Evolutions that happened the very next generation.

[@Skullhawk13]

You say that but Mega Pidgit is a SpA, and Mega Mewtwo has a physical attacker form. Both of which meant those Modest Pidgits and Jolly Mewtwos are sub-optimal now

[@SharKing319]

@@Skullhawk13 I never said they were forward-thinking *_(glares at Dream World)._* Besides, Mints exist now, so that's something, I guess.

[@pixlnovaofficial]

Now we need a “Top 5 Mythical Pokémon video”

[@h0m3st4r]

Of course, we all know lord Arceus will be at the top.

[@h2o684]

They should give my queen Meloetta a permanent out of battle form change, imagine how hard Scarf Meloetta-Pirouette will go in the lower tiers!

[@gregorymirabella1423]

I'm fine with phione meltan and hoppa, they act as the sort of collector item baby counterparts to otherwise fantastic mons. Hoopa especially is cool because I always liked the idea of a ghost type that could become a dark type, like he gave up his intangibility for a physical body that made him even more powerful.

[@zsocaman346]

Am I the only one who wants to see a video about "Best legendary/mythical pokémon that have never been in Ubers"?

[@hugosppezapria]

I've been watching FSG's videos for so long that I cracked heavily when he said 'NOSEPASS' ahhaahah

[@Xelianow]

Shaymins huge issue is that grass is *aweful* as your only STAB for a offensive pokemon without extra gimmics, since it is the single most resisted type in the game (grass, poison, bug, steel, fire, dragon and flying). It is expected to run into teams where half resist your STAB, with a double resist not beeing rare either. Thats why grass 'mons are either support/stall pokemon, or need a useful secondary typing+STAB or ability like Contrary...

[@dorkeboye]

This was a great one finally thanks 🎉

[@akumunokami9]

The weakest Mythical is easily Deoxys. It's name already has X and Y in it back to back but then ends it not with Z but instead with S. Truly wasted competitive potential.

[@nelsondaily]

What was that bump at 1:13 ?

[@Septimus678]

An editing mistake

[@christianbuffum-robbins8904]

You guys started the list with CELIBI. You're just here to start fights, huh? I mean, it makes sense, but I've never doubletaked harder in an FSG video.

[@TheRaidantDX]

it fell off hardcore after gen 5; even in gen 5 OU it's suspect.

[@homerman76]

The only other options are mew and that has a bit more of a niche since it can learn any tm move. (The other three, Manaphy, Jirachi and Victini have niches that find much more prominent use than Celebi)

[@et34t34fdf]

​@@TheRaidantDXgood vs rain teams, is it not ? Not like UU is exactly bad either, as in gen 6. I wonder if it would still be OU if it just had fairy type.

[@LaiLai-2111]

Just so everyone is clear, mythicals are legendaries. I see too many people say they’re a separate thing as opposed to what they actually are (a subset)

[@IschmarVI]

just so everything is clear, mythicals have always been marketed as separate from legendaries in Japan, while they have often been called just "legendaries" outside of Japan, at least during the earlier generations. I also do believe that the most reasonable distribution would be to consider them a type of legendaries, alongside sub-legendaries and true/box-legendaries.

[@CTback]

Worst Mythical Pokemon = Pokemon that doesn't let me win every fight.

[@Swagsire]

I think one Pokemon you may have overlooked for the top 5 is Diancie. It has the problematic lack of oomph of 100 base attacking stats but also with a slow 50 base speed and dreaded Rock typing. Still, a great video, and I enjoyed watching it!

[@pussmagic1541]

Mega Diancie has a pathetic base 50 HP too. Rock/Fairy is a solid type combination and definitely one of the better Rock-Type combinations. Currently using one for my Pokemon Violet playthrough, and she was good in the game so far. I would honestly buff Diancie's BST to higher amounts since base 50 HP doesn't cut it. A base stat total of 600 doesn't cut it for Mythical Pokemon anymore, unless if it's for a middle stage of a Mythical Pokemon evolution line. Diancie should definitely get the same speed stat as Mega Diancie and buff Mega Diancie's base speed stat to 210. And definitely buff that HP to 250 to 300, anything higher than 50. And buff the Rock-Type (especially getting rid of all weaknesses it has execpt for Water and Grass since those 2 are the only ones that make sense to me) in general and make the Rock/Fairy-Type from solid to amazing. Mega Diancie saw better performance than regular Diancie in the competitive scene. Only if normal Diancie was seriously buffed for good.

[@CRH4000]

They should give both meloetta forms scrappy

[@frogmouth2]

I’m noticing how most of these are the generation’s imp mythicals.

[@jawaon1771]

“Focus blast”🚫 “Focus Miss” ✅

[@naturalharmoniagropius4486]

My favorite Meloetta build does not rely on the entire Relic Song mechanic; instead, I ran a Tera Fighting one with Tera Blast.

[@ismaelkidhohn]

"various forms of coverage like Focus Miss"

[@lildplushandgames7959]

Meloetta is my favorite Pokémon and This is how you treat Her Dang dude that's cold

[@dannylopez5976]

15:00 damn imagine being so ineffective your enemy is setting Rain Dance for you.

[@nametab6415]

I played a low tier draft league where Celebi and Shaymin were the same price. Celebi was 7th on the Pokémon MVP board, and Shaymin got 3 kills over the entire like 8 week season. The movepool really does make all the difference.

[@deadluke13]

I wish they would have given Phione something. They could have at least given it base 90 instead of 80. And give the poor thing tail glow.

[@IschmarVI]

and while at it, also give that move to Lanturn and Ampharos, because ... c'mon.

[@BlueAizu_]

​@@IschmarVI Ampharos not having Tail Glow is genuinely baffling. It can light itself bright enough to be used as a lighthouse, and also use the light-up orb on its tail to fire off electricity, but _can't_ learn Tail Glow?? And I don't buy the "excuse" that it'd be too overpowered. No it wouldn't. In the older gens, maybe, but nowadays? You practically _have_ to have broken attributes to even be a blip on the radar.

[@pussmagic1541]

And the ability to evolve it into Manaphy, even if it's a high friendship evolution. Make it evolve into Manaphy.

[@galvsparks6295]

​@@BlueAizu_ even in older gens, Ampharos would be fine with it lmao, it's always been quite lackluster

[@amberknight7301]

It’s Phi-on-neh, not Phi-own.

[@GuntherTheMystic]

you didnt have to hit my Lumineon like that...😅 that hurt lol

[@Jianichie]

"This Pokémon is super rare; very hard to get." 😮 "But it stinks." 😢

[@GilroyIronheart]

I’ve played so much Pokemon Auto Chess that I completely forgot that Meloetta Aria was part Psychic. In PAC it’s just Normal Sound, and adds Fighting to those two in Pirouette.

[@deezcastforms]

No shot Celebi belonged on this list when Zarude exists.

[@MaahirMomtaz12]

Meloetta actually has Swords Dance now

[@doctorupset3304]

I think Meloetta is still amazing. No one fucking uses her so no one knows she's immune to ghost.

[@D-Havoc]

For Meloetta, I think Game Freak should rework its form mechanic to be something that can be changed via a key item outside of battle. That way it can remain in either Pirouette Forme or Aria Forme throughout a battle.

[@debonairdevon8049]

Phione doesn’t get calm mind but it does get take heart which is the same move but also clears the users status condition

[@t.j.helming5534]

"Lumineon syndrome", that kinda has an interesting ring to it actually... maybe FalseSwipeGaming can make a video to go further on that premise? Adapt; expand; and then you might just have something like the theorem series?!

[@DanteCrowlley]

Mythical/Illusion are event only pokemon that are related to the lore, they usually aren't as strong as legendaries even if the lore says otherwise

[@taylorevandale4261]

I feel like Phione was made at the last minute when Generation IV was in production. I literally forgot that it was a mythical, and the fact that you can only get it by breeding Manaphy and Ditto.

[@LandenKizer]

I guess you could say their myth is not very impactful

[@Angelite1209]

In Gen6 i ran a physical speed support Celebi: - Jolly nature + Kings Rock. • Zen Headbutt. • U,Turn, Seed Bomb, Fling. • Thunder wave. • Swords Dance or Swagger. My Gen4 Event Celebi: -Hasty nature + Life Orb. • Nasty Plot. • Giga Drain. • Ancient Power. • Sucker Punch - G4 Tutor. Stall Celebi: - Timid nature + LeftOvers/BrightPowder. • Psychic. • LeechSeed. • Mud Slap. • Thunder Wave.

[@the-angel-of-light-gardevoir8]

Another thing about meoletta aria form is that in gen 6, Megas got introduced which completely changed the meta, some of the frail psychic types that it was competing against got buffs, Mega Alakazam has like 150 speed, which is well enough to be out speeding most threats… and gardevoir also got the fairy type giving it powerful stab options against pesky dark and dragon types… yes Mega gengar exists but dose that really matter when gengar was meta defining?

[@diamondxlr8grade]

I think base diamcie should be in this list instead of celebi, celebi was always a tire higher in any generation that both of them existed together

[@pussmagic1541]

@diamondxlr8grade It's Diancie, you spelled her name wrong. Rock/Fairy is a solid type combination with potential to be one of the greatest type combinations to ever exist and pretty great offensive matchups. Their defensive matchups are awkward though, and it would be so much better if they're not weak to Ground (and they're neutral to Ground instead), resistant to and super effective against Steel-Types instead of be x4 weak to that said type and have more resistances including to Bug (though Bug needs 4 taken off the types that resist them list and replaced with that and Ice), Electric, Fighting and Steel. Making them a nightmare for any Fighting and Bug-Types basically. Mega Diancie on the other hand is a menace to society, the problem is she has a crappy HP stat of 50 even when Mega evolved, which to me is an absolute joke. I adore Diancie a lot and I even think she deserved to get buffed. I would give regular Diancie the same speed stat as Mega Diancie and make Mega Diancie have a base speed stat of 210, make her HP to 250 to 300 instead of a pathetic 50 and give her more coverage moves, Fairy-Type moves and a better movepool in general.

[@kirbs1487]

getting hit with 3 of my 5 favourite mythical pokémon as the worst is so depressing 😭

[@quocbaodoan7678]

To sum up: Celebi: bad typing, decent ability Meloe: awkward mechanics, good ability but no moves to utilise Hoopa: bad ability, awkward speed tier Shaymin: Nothing stands out Phio: Phio

[@CaptainObliviousV]

Celebi’s tool kit and stats being lacking in the modern era is certainly a big part of the problem, but it’s also worth noting that its viability in any given tier is also heavily dependent on Zarude’s presence nowadays too.

[@StickyTrap]

Being mythical is worse than being a psuedo

[@gavinaaric]

Yet some of the newer ones are in UBERs

[@oatmeal2752]

the reason some of the newer ones are in ubers is because of their stats aren't just a flat 100 in everything, have absurd types and have good movepools.

[@homerman76]

Well yeah, most of them were made more for the marketing power of a cute movie mascot than for any more substantial reason 🤔

[@pussmagic1541]

I think the Mythicals should start having base stat totals of more than 600 that are not Hoopa Unbound, Mega Diancie and Arceus (I would give the former two higher BSTs as well).

[@jirehtheprovider]

Sadly it's true. Since these mythical cutemons areu favorite kinds of pokemon, it hurts seeing them doing not well.​@@homerman76

[@danielmaynard239]

*BLASTOISE REMAKE WHEN*

[@cesarflamenco9484]

Judging by the TN of this video, being a green Mythical Pokemon is a guaranteed death sentence in competitive.

[@1dkreally]

uploading a video called "the Worst mythical pokemon" and making the thumbnail 3 of my favourite pokemon of all time is CRIMINAL 💔

[@08Juan80]

Phione got Take Heart, aka better Calm Mind... but a little bit too late. Still a buff worth mentioning.

[@GuyFromCanada]

Mythical stat spread Pokémon (100s across the board) are a lesson in minmaxing. Despite Celbi and the like technically having a higher base stat total than lots of new stuff, 1/6th of the stats get wasted depending on if you want to do physical or special attacks. Effectively turning their 600 BST into a 500 BST. You could run mixed, but that dilutes your stats even further doesn’t let them excel. You could even say some have 1/3rd of their stats removed if they don’t like taking certain physical or special attacks. (Making one of their Defense stats worthless) Whereas you compare it to the paradox pokemon, who all have BST weaker than the mythical stats, they all have stats that represent what they want to do. Flutter mane has a BST of 570, but it’s attack stat is 55, meaning that if you apply the wasted stats, it has a BST of 515. You can’t be good at everything anymore, you have to be excellent at everything, or be godly in one specific category.

[@munchrai6396]

Aria Meloetta does make for a real nice late game cleaner, especially to back up King's Rock Beat Up mons like Fezandipidi and Charizard. Really wish it hadn't missed out on gen 8 because both Durant and alolan Persian got Beat Up and both are fantastic at abusing it.

[@ShadowsWrath4]

Names not outright stated due to faith in the comment section's basic logic and thinking skills: 5. The Onion DeLorean Fairy and the reason everyone hates/loves the GS Ball arc 4. It Takes Two To Tango, unfortunately 3. More rings than Superman 64, and more restraint on the "phenomenal cosmic powers" 2. Thanks for nothing 1. Hold the phone, I'm melting

[@sonofhades57]

Somebody give Celebi a hug, they need it!

[@CrystalSpirit7]

Don't worry Celebi is having her flowers in Pocket, thank you Serperior

[@TheAemith]

As a tcg pocket player. Celebi can burn in the confines of hell

[@pussmagic1541]

Don't worry, I'm going to give Celebi a hug because they deserve it. Plus a little treat too. Celebi deserves better in the main series. Give them a better movepool, buff both the Grass and Psychic-Types, buff its stats and like the other Pokemon in general, give Celebi a chance to have separate moveslots for them to have coverage moves without wasting slots.

[@neurosis51]

Meloetta needs a rework of her form change gimmick and some other minor additions to become at least OU relevant. Her form change should work with a non held item like deoxys; maybe a flute or something you keep in your bag to seap between Aria and pirouette. She stays in whatever form until you use relic song or the flute again out of battle. Relic song would be changed to 110 power and atk on the physical or special side depending on the higher offensive stat. Some movepool additions if she doesn't have them already: nasty plot, bulk up, swordance, aura sphere, agility, recover, drain punch, power up punch, psychic noise, u-turn, teleport.

[@GaybrohamStinkton]

As these are all green, why not do the worst 6 coloureds to be?

[@guanchampo]

Top 5 Mythical Pokemon: 1) Arceus (obviously) 2) Marshadow (OU for several seconds) 3) Deoxys (averaging its forms still has it firmly in Ubers) 4) Skymin (still the only unanimous ban?) 5) Genesect (a top mon in Gen 5 Ubers and perennial suspect test ace) Which saves me the trouble of explaining Magearna over Darkrai for the last spot

[@JJJJ-bz7en]

6:34 “Undoos” 😂

[@JaceGarrdok]

shoutouts to Focus Miss, gotta be my favorite move of all times

[@soalr]

4:38 the casual "Focus Miss" made me snort. No need to elaborate, it might as well be the move's name anyway.

[@et34t34fdf]

Celebi had a very respectful career, fallen of in recent gens, but if they just gave it fairy typing, it could see a revival. Its loterally a fary, so it fits perfectly too.

[@Wildstar5267]

I personally don't understand why they didn't change celebi to part fairy other than being stubborn, its a damn forest fairy with a weak connection to time travel being why its psychic I guess?

[@jirehtheprovider]

@False Swipe Gaming For me, I say they could just do two ways for these 100 based mythical Pokemon. They are my overall favorite Pokemon to have. Option 1: simply replace their Psychic Type with Fairy Type. It’s not just lore wise good, but also fitting for them thematically. Perhaps a move poll and a needed stat distribution rework. For Melia and Phione, they may as well just drop their mythical status altogether just to make them proper Little Cup moms. Make them common wild Pokemon to catch in-game with a grindy method to evolve them to a Manaphy. Same case for Melia into becoming Melmetal. Option 2:. Make all of the small and cute 100 based mythical Pokemon catchable in the wild like any other odd encounter. Give them like a Bagon or Absol Encounter percentage rate. Extra request, make them legitimately breedable. Some of us are down hatching a bunch of Jirachi or Mew eggs. Who’s to say we can just breed a bunch of shaymins we catch in the wild?

[@nicocchi]

As someone who's caught a ton of Meltan because of GO, I honestly have no idea how its stats or movepool looks in mainline lol. Because you have to evolve it in GO before sending it on a one-way trip to HOME, or else it'll never become a Melmetal