What is Turnip28? - Why does it matter?

[@nuggs4snuggs516]

It saddens me somewhat that things like non-standard color schemes, kitbashes, and conversions are so alien in 40k now. When I was a yung'un, first introduced to the hobby, rulebooks contained all sorts of tips, tricks, and ideas for new schemes and conversions, but now such things seem anathema to a hobby hell-bent on grinding away creativity for the sake of "being competitive". Glad to see new blood is starting to pick up the torch GW dropped some years ago

[@tabletopsidekick]

But it's making a comeback! I find a lot of more senior tabletop gamers retreat to their caves and grumble. When, in my opinion, they need to be front and centre engaging with the younger audiences and show them the variety.

[@db9631]

WHFB is having a renaissance in my local community and it is great to see. We are not a strict group; any paint scheme you want, any kitbash, any background story for your army no matter how non-canonical. And we have terrain made out of pipe-cleaners, for which I make no apology. Good day.

[@peterclarke7240]

Yep, I started in 40k back in the Rogue Trader days. You had no choice but to kitbash and build vehicles and scenery from scratch, but that led to some excellent ideas and really expanded my hobby skills in a way that GW seem to have tried to stifle in their quest for more money. Fortunately, after getting back into the hobby and being appalled at modern prices, I discovered Wargames Atlantic and have been kitbashing a Renegade Guard army using their Les Grognard kits and historical vehicles!

[@therealgreg5653]

Once upon a time they had stat block for a space tank made out of a stick of deodorant, my personal favorite custom built

[@HansLemurson]

Mud for the Mud god, Roots for the Root throne.

[@Basedweaboo]

Kind of sad for me that historical games aren't as popular among people my age. I have managed to get some people into black powder and bolt action through turnip28 and Konflict 47

[@GreenBlueWalkthrough]

Yeah I've always been into history and historicals have always been a mojory genre in Books, Movies, TV and video games... Which only Wargames have this tabbo of you must be old to enjoy them.

[@stevepickford3004]

A lot of people in the hobby are very creative and historical gaming doesn't have much scope for that.

[@giantorres3352]

@@stevepickford3004 Yeah, I love napoleonics but dont really like the uniforms of any country in particular, and some people in that community seem to be very strict when it comes to unifor colors.

[@Zaszz1]

@@stevepickford3004 this is the reason why I have no interest in historical, where other game systems I can make my own made up faction and add my own bits of lore, with historicals it doesn't work. Give me wonky dark fantasy, or wild chaotic sci-fi and I'll enjoy modelling my own guys, and giving them a theme, and painting them my way, and naming them etc. If it's a WWII game, I can be the americans, germans, british, japanese, russians etc, and I've already played as them in a million other games, and studied them in documentaries, and books. Nothing about WWII fascinates me anymore, and I can't get very creative in that space, so I just have no interest in it.

[@XD-sc4ix]

What's konflict47?

[@Bluecho4]

I fell in love with Turnip28 the moment I heard about it. I love its "Bleakpowder" aesthetic, its innovative mechanics (especially when you get into the Cults), its irreverent humor, and its complete creative freedom (both narrative and modeling). Plus, there's just something absurd and adorable about root-mutants fighting in the name of extinct vegetables. For those looking to get into it, Perry Miniatures doesn't just sell plastic kit box sets. They also sell some of the component sprues (usually command sprues, but also horses, riders, and at least one cannon sprue) separately. So you can grab a set of Napoleonic line infantry, then grab some sprues from the Agincourt knight, archers/mercenaries, cavalry, and artillery sets to add some variety. Some epoxy puddy goes a long way towards turning them into true freaks. (Remember: everyone in Turnip28 keeps their faces covered, for all their mutations, so you don't need to ever paint faces. This is an intended feature of the game.) The Cults add an extra, optional layer to play. Giving you access to additional unit types and rules. Many encourage you to go even further with outlandish kitbashes or scratch-bashes. Hot air balloons, stilt-walkers, little rootlings, giant crabs, wicker men (or other methods of execution), etc.

[@jimbosminis]

I have seen some turnip28 armies on yt where you see faces.. and it just feels wrong haha. I love the helmet/mystery side of it

[@Ddog72]

Only recommended to hid faces

[@turtleofpride4572]

This is just Hieronymus Bosch the table top game. I couldn't be more delighted

[@tabletopsidekick]

Welcome! I hope you have an amazing time!

[@jack1701e]

Honestly aside from the neat miniatures and kitbashing Turnip28 got me into eating parsnips and turnips! A mini wargame got me into eating more veg! :D

[@wezab]

I applaud your engagement with Turnip28 and your interest in it. I get the impression that you really have not explored the hobby options though. I am 62 and my wargaming started with Airfix models. 54 mm Timpo cowboys and indians or crusaders. It was the old set em up at 10 feet apart and role marbles at them. When I hit my teens I found out about rules and an Airfix WG rules book. Lost it to a girlfriend about the same time I got into Napoleonics. Then found out about scales and metals and collected a British Napoleonic army. Then found out about ancients, fantasy and sci-fi. There is such a world out there, though GW is a big part of it. My current interests are Flames of War due to a particular battle I read about. Trying to match up a current US Marine Regiment against a Mongol Tumet, about 100,000 men. But I have space fleets, dystopian navies, skirmish games and Star Wars. There is nothing that determines how you play these games unless you want to use the rules system they have. But the saddest thing I heard you say was that you would not get into historical's because of the stereo type. Did you ever think you could break the stereo type if you and your mates got involved? Instead of limiting your horizons because of what people think?

[@bonysminiatures3123]

Agreed

[@GreenBlueWalkthrough]

Same their is so much to the hobbey of Table top gaming and even GW is just the tiop of the ice berge... Like their are tons of model agnostic games in every genre for every gamer... Or their are more fictional games then just 40k... Kinda like saying Star wars is the only sci-fi franscese.

[@rikkiwazzerman3654]

I play by myself all the time. Sometimes just US Marines verse Zombie Samurais. I like making dioramas and I usually keep them historically accurate. After reading your comment and hearing about Turnip has broken down that barrier. I've been mixing everything and just having fun. I like both. No limits or barriers. I need my marble set too. I also shoot paper bullets from a rubber band.

[@lordofgarbageprogenitoroft4147]

Historical stuff is lame and the people that frequent it are usually weird or racist, so 40K is just the better option

[@danielbont2331]

Yes! This exactly!

[@matthewmatthew981]

I came here from Alphabusa, why are these videos multiplying

[@tabletopsidekick]

The root grows.

[@HAL9000nd]

Just ordered some Turnip 28 from the Kickstarter, then this video popped up. Neat! Hadn’t really an idea what it was about other than weird spud rank and file, so this is a great primer. Thanks!

[@goblinoidguy]

Surprisingly competent for something so overlooked! Bravo for the effort, I hope it pays off

[@tabletopsidekick]

That's very kind, thank you.

[@tigerbomb909]

This was a super enjoyable and inspiring lil video essay. Thanks for the introduction into this side of the hobby!

[@tabletopsidekick]

Very kind of you to say, thank you.

[@garysmith6218]

Games Workshop markets the hobby as the "Warhammer hobby" rather than "tabletop wargaming" specifically to give the impression that it's the only game in town.

[@francislelievre5172]

what a gorgeous setting.

[@CommissarMitch]

I come here from Bruva Alfabusa and I am so in love with this already.

[@dagoth-ursbeekeeper9119]

I recently learned about this setting through my recent run in with another game called Quar, a grim and whimsical almost "Muppets & The Price of a Mile" vibe with heady political drama and such. But for T28 I really want to put together some minis and really REALLY want to try using some American Revolutionary War stuff!

[@Scott_Inksmith]

Mork radish looks awesome. I dub it rootpunk or maybe grubcore.

[@oliverrememberpassword1254]

6:55 I can't express how much I love these, I want all of them!!

[@wezab]

I forgot about Zombiecide. Admittedly a boxed table top board game of sorts. But it blurs the lines.

[@TimothyNiederriter]

FOR THE ROOT. Seriously, good work!

[@hobbyistfirst961]

I keep seeing this stuff on Instagram and it looks very cool, you did a great job explaining it. Thanks.

[@marcoherreras6536]

Same path here, from 40k in 1993 to just enjoying kitbashing, converting, and pretty much every skirmish blanchitsu miniatures game.

[@aleynawicke5813]

really cool! I also got into the hobby through GW and am starting to diversify my interests. You must be a new channel because you deserve way more subs likes than 9, (important topic, very good voice over)

[@tabletopsidekick]

Yup! Only really discovering the hobby of video making. Hopefully more to come! :)

[@lexi_9995]

Nice bit of kitbashing and painting. May I bring to your attention a point to keep in mind if you do any more infantry. The back packs worn by troops (in napoleonic times) in greatcoats should have any rolled up greatcoats trimmed off the tops of the back packs. I know you can do what you like in the Turnip28 world so the greatcoat/backpacks may be a minor point. Regards Lexi.

[@tabletopsidekick]

Good point, well presented. I thought the rolled material was a blanket or any stored material.

[@lexi_9995]

@@tabletopsidekick sadly it is an error that I notice, perhaps I should get out more...

[@garak55]

Ok this comment will show my age but as a returning warhammer player I find it hilarious how GW managed to make people think their sculpts are somehow "the highest quality" or whatever. I remember as a kid, citadel miniatures were always derided as the ugly stepchildren of wargaming minis. Like since the Perrys left, man things took a nosedive. It's like people don't remember old marines, or old eldars and how gaunts looks and how the moldlines situation is and how static the poses were and still are. You really have to never have played or modelled anything else to think GW produces "top quality" miniatures. The only thing they had for them was the customization and they don't even do that anymore lmao

[@tabletopsidekick]

I'm aware that there's a lot of incredible sculpts out there, but theyre mono-pose, not plastic or just a solid sculpt. Plenty of good quality content, but it isn't mass produced. If you can share other companies or brands that provide multi-pose plastic models en-masse with the same level of detail at 28-32mm, I am all ears and would love to learn more. I've really struggled to find them! I don't care much for GW at all and I don't buy their stuff, but their current output can't be ignored for convenience.

[@feodorborisevich]

This is the video about Turnip 28 I was looking for. Thank you!

[@tabletopsidekick]

I'm glad I could help! :)

[@kelvinsantiago7061]

If i can use Spanish Tercios im a happy man

[@GreenBlueWalkthrough]

As a game dev working on a universal TT wargame/RPG... Thanks for the last bit at the end I'll rember that.

[@jcrass2361]

Dude, those miniatures look great! Makes me want to try!

[@nebelwanderer4974]

3:54 Why wasn't I mad that you started painting a potato, but annoyed that you didn't spray it with a primer first...?🗿

[@tabletopsidekick]

Potato's come with a built in primer: the skin.

[@Artan9000]

It is our time Brothers! The Alfabusa flood shall wash over this game!

[@crippledfoxgaming]

This looks amazing. What a great introduction to this setting, thanks, mate.

[@katamed5205]

it reminds me strongly of the art of Jheronimus Bosch.

[@benpuffer7891]

Ouch, i couldn't look at the screen while you were reading. My eyes.

[@tabletopsidekick]

Aye, seemed better in editing. Lesson learnt though!

[@benpuffer7891]

@@tabletopsidekick good video though 👌

[@CesarIsaacPerez]

Lol, I discovered the hobby just like you did with GW but much more recently with the launch of AoS 6 years ago. Unlike you, I immediately branched out and got into Frostrgrave, Warmachine, Bolt Action, etc... I have a bunch of mini's from every company and still managed to spend $$$ on 7 AoS armies and 7 Warhammer 40k armies + half the Warcry and Necromunda warbands, because I love their detail filled aesthetic. Recently, I got into Sludge and Silver Bayonet.

[@FletcherAustin]

When you were narrating it was very cool and suprisling relaxing, could you do more readings with the same effects and noises because it was very cool. Ps maybe even narrorate the swollen maggot series

[@tabletopsidekick]

I will certainly consider it. Thank you for the kind words.

[@Lykyk]

Alfabusa's newest video brought me here I believe. Thanks youtube.

[@rikkiwazzerman3654]

Great description of Turnip. I'm having a creative explosion using these ideas.

[@john-lenin]

I prefer the less dark alternate WWI world of the Quar from Zombiesmith.

[@CTRLVCatMemes]

YOO! Dead Man's Hand! So weird seeing that pop up - I used to work for Stu at Great Escape Games! I've packed so many boxes of cards and minis for that game I couldnt event count 😂

[@5p3cu10]

I always think of GW as jumping in a Ferrari or Lamborghini as your first car. It's beautiful and top of the range but a first time driver will never unlock the full potential of the car. It's complex, overly expensive but you are paying for the brand. It's only when you stretch out into other cars can you understand the value, the quality and the cost.

[@jackparis2142]

that tv 3d effect hurt my eyes :( , cool wargame tho

[@ravenRedwake]

4:37 holy shit it’s set in 2700s?

[@DG-iw3yw]

prefer gelato 36 u get me blud

[@tabletopsidekick]

I do fam, I do. Gelato melts in the summer though.

[@GreenBlueWalkthrough]

However GW prices can get bad like for the new 30K box but some times they are industry standard. Like for any normal infatry, a few boxes and a few supplies the rest are over priced to the point GW thinks it's Britain's answer to Apple. Which you are right yolou need a ton of normal infatry for a build and I've been priced out of 40K as my Elite Imperuim Army would cost at least $1..5K USD maybe $2K today. Where as I have tons of full armies on my self ready to be painted for the same price.

[@DWaffle]

This gæm lewks fun. I love gonzo models and stories

[@deepjoes1072]

Nice Setting, cool Minis but : is it really good?

[@tabletopsidekick]

Yes, I think so. The rules are engaging enough to allow for deep, tactical decision making and the unit variety (whilst small) gives the player a chance to try a variety of mechanical interactions.

[@nicolaitoop192]

can you show more of your second army?

[@tabletopsidekick]

I would love to! But I haven't touched it for months now and it's still a work in progress. I've been very distracted with other projects. It will come back into rotation eventually :)

[@SeithonJetter]

I'm not sure I agree on the quality being "really good". One look at a bandai model kit and you can tell that GW are having a laugh.

[@Lykyk]

Increase your volume though

[@tabletopsidekick]

Already aware. Thank you!

[@GreenBlueWalkthrough]

Thank you which as someone who has quite a few minitures, from quite a few companies, for quite a few games... I can say GW has been matched by Warlord Games resin, Infiity metal and Battle Tech plastic and most minitures you'l find even 3D printed ones are with in 30% as good as GW or better... In fact I only have/know 2 line that is just bad and that is Star Trek Attack wing I have for the game and Blood red skies only thair plastic and metal are kinda bad and they are wonky like worse that forge world wonk... Great details but wonky wings.

[@computersocsci]

Thanks for this great video! It's really inspiring and makes me want to try the game

[@EnterTheFenix]

Sir, thats a potato

[@tabletopsidekick]

That's Mr Potato to you.

[@danielcrafter9349]

​@@tabletopsidekick- *Colonel* Potato! 😂😂

[@RandomEncounterFilms]

Just discovered your channel through this video, so I'm not sure what you normally produce. However, I would be very interested in watching a game of Turnip28, when you get a chance to play :).

[@tabletopsidekick]

Like many small hobby youtubers, I'm not here to really make content my job. I'm just here to share hobby projects and creative pursuits. I would certainly like to do more T28 stuff! Thank you for the kind words :)

[@RandomEncounterFilms]

@@tabletopsidekick very fair! I'd be excited then to see where you ended up with your second army. Is it painted? :)

[@antonites.productions1719]

May your compost be bountiful!

[@theNoriLi]

oww! cool subject, but the crazy editing with focusing and defocusing gives me a headache.

[@tabletopsidekick]

Thanks for taking the time to comment. I learnt a lot from making this video and yeah, the editing choice wasn't great.

[@john-lenin]

The spiritual successor to Hordes of The Things

[@elcek6384]

Actual video criticism. The weird visual effect and background sounds are very annoying and make it hard to follow along with the reading.

[@tabletopsidekick]

Thank you! Yes I am very aware of that error on my part. I put a disclaimer in my video description above about that very thing.

[@lewiseveritt2091]

Great start but I do think it looks better when the miniatures are more twisted and rotten.

[@tabletopsidekick]

I totally agree! This was my first ever attempt and since that time the scene behind Turnip has exponentially increased in size and popularity so there's a lot more going on. My next army will be more involved :)

[@mikeoxlong1395]

3:54 YOU LIE! Green is not a creative color.

[@bobdole8830]

except for the food waste, funny concept

[@tabletopsidekick]

No food was wasted in the production of this video.

[@bobdole8830]

​@@tabletopsidekickWhat about the green potato?! Checkmate atheists!

[@tabletopsidekick]

@@bobdole8830 Washed it, peeled it, put it in a stew :D

[@pompi1118]

Here from the Alpha video

[@Maerdy]

Bummer if they prevented you from providing the description of the setting. That's all I was interested in. I like making models because I like the setting, and if they put that behind a paywall I don't care for it. If that's all the makers have to provide, that may be the cause of their lack of success.

[@tabletopsidekick]

No no no! You completely misunderstand. I edited the video in a terrible way and the description I put up was actually causing some people migraines. The only option I had was to cut it out. All of the rules are free and the community is lovely. It's a very successful game that encourages everything you said you want. A little less jumping to assumptions here would be beneficial.

[@OrrinSalton]

really nice vid!

[@tabletopsidekick]

Thats very kind of you to say! Thank you.

[@TheMichaellathrop]

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[@commandervulkan]

Reaper miniatures are my favorite company personally.

[@danielprice361]

Sorry I'm sure it's a good video but it gave me a migraine that out of focus text sux

[@tabletopsidekick]

I agree! Over a year ago it seemed like a fun idea. Last week I used youtube's edit feature to remove that entire section, but it's still "processing".

[@en--ev]

Always disheartening to enter a new creative community only to hit a brick wall of arbitrary creative restrictions that the community has shackled to themselves. I'm so glad that there are projects like this aiming to specifically encourage and reinvigorate that creativity.

[@tabletopsidekick]

Preach!

[@chuckchalmers4960]

Even a year ago i had already see better quality models and sculpts than anything 40k could dream of. Even battletech has better models for cheaper than 40k.

[@tabletopsidekick]

Please tell me some examples of better quality models! I know of a load of metal ones like Malifaux look lovely, but plastic ones seem elusive. I can gladly accept that BT models are great quality, but side by side I struggle to say that one is massively better than the other. The Warhammer ones just have more going on by being a biological structure, just different. I would agree that overall it's cheaper as you only need a couple of Mechs to play, but when you look at box price it's still approx 30 for a Lance of 5 Mechs that you can't even customise.

[@chuckchalmers4960]

@@tabletopsidekick Battletech is heads and tails better in every way than anything GW makes. Hell I could kitbash better models that what GW makes. Cast lines everywhere on their garbage. Im an Ork player BTW.

[@tabletopsidekick]

@@chuckchalmers4960 I want to agree with you! I own BT models and can agree they are very, very well made. I'm just not sure they contend with some of the detailing on the latest stuff coming out of the GW factory. Their recent Old World and Heresy characters have more stuff going on because they are dynamic, biological models. BT models are all simple poses on blocky-mechs. Compared to Orks circa 2010 and all of GW's general stock then yes I can get behind your statement, but right now it just seems more ambiguous. You obviously know more about BT than I do. Could you please tell me what the best BT model is in your eyes?

[@chuckchalmers4960]

@@tabletopsidekick Sorry brah. I can't be bothered. Look it up yourself if you are curious.

[@tabletopsidekick]

​@chuckchalmers4960 I have done and still can't find precisely you're referring to. I can see where your argument comes from, but I dont see the whole picture. I want to! You made the claim, so the onus is on you to back it up.

[@bonysminiatures3123]

yeah they gone up in price 2 quid a box , just subbed , but i certainly won't be doing turnips though for me it just ruined a box of naps that you have just paid 22 pound for , it's not an age thing i been playing online Napoleonic games for few decades , its simply just an enthralling era of warfare with crazily beautiful uniforms in all colors and regiments for me fantasy will go as far as star wars legions anyhow massive Napoleonic movie coming out later this year Austerlitz directed by ridley scott napoleon will be played by joker actor phoenix

[@dakotah7683]

Rules are meh. More an art project than game.

[@tabletopsidekick]

I think you're unfairly oversimplifying it. What is tabletop wargaming if not an art project? The rules are good enough to catch the eye of plenty of players, promote tactical discussion and have consistent games of. It's both an art project and a game.

[@dakotah7683]

@@tabletopsidekick It's a game, the art is secondary, as it should be a game first. It's rules are meh.

[@RootVegetabIe]

So what

[@danielcrafter9349]

​@@dakotah7683- it's rules a pretty good, actually You're just a GW fanboy that doesn't like the idea that there's actual competition out there

[@dakotah7683]

@@danielcrafter9349 I don't play 40k. I play Bolt Action.

[@flintlockbeithir4823]

so kind of like flintloque

[@tabletopsidekick]

A little, yeah!

[@john-lenin]

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