What is UKONVASARA? Finnish Mjölnir? Finland myth

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[@JuhaA74]

It is also funny that christianity could not get rid of all pagan sayings. We still say "Ukonilma" or "ukkonen" as words of thunderstorm. The rumbling sound comes from wheels of Ukko's chariot - or something like that.

[@aquarix3084]

so true, we still call thunderstom “Perkūnija” here in Lithuania. And we use word “kirvis”= axe

[@pouncepounce7417]

I always have the suspicion that there have been and are quite a few finns who are christian more by convenience and deep down prefer the "old way" (given how christianity was spread to the north very relatable)

[@killerkonnat]

Final Fantasy 14 has a relic weapon named "Ukonvasara" but that weapon is... an axe. Which is extra silly because they could've just called it Ukonkirves and it would've been completely correct. xD

[@IrishinFinland]

Ahhhhhh "WE WERE ON THE VERGE OF GREATNESS, WE WERE THIS CLOSE"

[@archiev1976]

you can also get Ukonvasara in Assassin Creed: Valhalla. In Valhalla it's one handed hammer

[@lyrigageforge3259]

@@IrishinFinland Lol yea. Nice video though. I even started to wonder if it isn't actually supposed to be an ax instead of a hammer. I mean in the country with some of the most dense forests in the world an ax sounds a bit more likely a thing to become a symbol and then perhaps the hammer would have become as a secondary name for it due this apparent similarity to the Norse symbol of Thor. Well who knows. Oh - ran into a video which might be interesting at least funny to watch for you. kzbin.info/www/bejne/Zpbdhnpuhpx5jMU

[@XtreeM_FaiL]

Ukonvaaja is/was probably an axehammer.

[@blitzergkon311]

Im here because ffxiv too 🤣

[@eti4ite]

To me Ukonvasara is very Finnish, or Western Finnish and it relates to agriculture. As far as I know, my Karelian Ancestors worshipped Kokko, the Thunderbird, an earlier (hunter-gatherer) Thunder Divnity.

[@IrishinFinland]

Now this is something for me to look more into! Thunderbird you say!? Sounds awesome 👌🏻

[@eti4ite]

@@IrishinFinland It is! (*smile*)

[@blackorcshagrat8587]

As a Finn myself, I always thought that although the Finnish pantheon on the whole has little in common with the Norse one, I've seen Ukko and Akka as Finnish counterparts for Thor and Sif respectively. Not only is Ukko a thunder god with a hammer, but he's associated with many of the same things as Thor. Also, I think some story or something mentioned him often killing trolls, similarly to Thor often fighting the Jotun. The one major difference is that there are apparently some spells and invocations that mention Ukko having a blazing sword instead of a hammer. Both Akka and Sif are often associated with the earth, though the former is, depending on the source, associated with a variety of other things as well.

[@IrishinFinland]

Now I'll be honest, I wish the blazing sword was the main weapon for Ukko, swords + on fire = take my money

[@Anttimation]

Flaming swords are cool for sure, but quite possibly influenced by Christianity. Ukonvasara is the original weapon of choice, as well as bow and arrow ;)

[@blackorcshagrat8587]

@@Anttimation En muista kuulleeni Ukosta kuvattuna jousella aseistautuneena, vaikka toisaalta olen kyllä kuullut ''Ukon vasamista'' puhuttavan, jos tarkkoja ollaan.

[@Anttimation]

@@blackorcshagrat8587 Suomalaisten muinaisusko (Uno Harva) -kirjassa selitettiin jousta, vaikka en kyllä nyt muista tarkemmin 😆Mun kanavalta löytyy video Ukosta, jos kiinnostaa.

[@DNA350ppm]

We need to see the general cultural roots of mankind behind this - first there was a Great Mother, because the all important role of mothers in the life of human beings - she was the life-giver and the life-keeper. Then the role of the Mighty Father, the protector and provider. These were together the High Pair or Holy Couple, the Great Parents or the first Ancestors. We are all dependent on them. These and their symbols will show up all over the world, more or less independently. By and by the stories and symbols and rituals will become more diversified, and actually more interesting. In Kaleval we can se these stages. Pohjan Akka is seen as the Great powerful Mother for the most northern people, she is both good and bad. In the south more diverse male heroes and anti-heroes emerge. Male gods get associated with the sky, too, not just the Earth - Ukko a formidable natural power, and human Väinämöinen (his wisdom and cunning, but also old age). Much needed for progress.

[@mjtuomainen]

The magic stones (Ukonvaaja) were actually either stone age tools or a fulgurite which is formed when a lighting strikes the earth. These were used as healing items still back in the 1800s or so

[@edwardreot6031]

I have had the symbol as a necklace for years. For me it is an amulet, so I never take it off :)

[@henkkahenrik4183]

same. tho even i take all my jewelry including ukonvasara off when i go to sauna... i don’t want a hammer shaped burn branding on my fucking chest afterall. seen some people forget and somehow ignore their babtismal crosses and stuff when they went to sauna, and when they came out they had bright red cross image on their chest... like you’d think they’d notice when the chain starts to burn their neck, but somehow they sometimes ignore it till they come out or smth. like they’ll just be chatting and stuff completely normally in the sauna while the cross literally burns their skin.... enough distractions really make you even ignore pain i quess.

[@samspencer582]

This symbol is a logo for the army shop Varusteleka in Helsinki. I have always thought what that symbol is and now I know it thanks to you.

[@yorkaturr]

According to historical and etymological reasoning Ukko is the same as Perkele. Perkele was obviously an ancient pagan god as according to Christian tradition he is synonymous with the Devil just like every other pagan god. It originates either directly from Proto German or the the Baltic thunder god Perkuns, both of which further originate from the latin word percutere (to strike) which is also the origin of "percussion". So it would be fair to hypothesize that Ukko/Perkele are the same thing and just the local version of an Indo-European thunder god.

[@IrishinFinland]

That's really interesting! Do you have any sites/books or sources for any information about more of this kind of subjects?

[@yorkaturr]

@@IrishinFinland Most of this comes from etymological sources such as the massive 7-volume "Suomen kielen etymologinen sanakirja", which took decades to complete and finished in the 1980s.

[@ser167]

@@IrishinFinland TV

[@Son-of-Tyr]

Man I'm glad you cleared this up for folks. I've had to correct several people about this. You wouldn't believe how many times I've had guys arguing with me, telling me this is Mjolnir. It's not Mjolnir!

[@DaveWilson831]

I own an Ukonvasara made of iron that was hand-forged by an artist in Finland.. it's on a leather necklace. I'm also Norwegian and Swedish and I get asked a lot if it's "Thor's Hammer".. which gives me a chance to explain what it actually is.

[@davestrasburg408]

Anything and everything about Finland in earlier times fascinates me, as l am a Finnish-American born in Finland. l am very much interested in the ancient mythology of Finland, and specifically in Ukko, whose portrait l have on my living-room wall. Ukko, and Finnish mythology in general, was obviously influenced by Norse mythology; the Finnish "deities" were originally spirits, rather than bona fide gods, and changed due to Norse influence. By the way, ALL Finnish words have the first syllable stressed or emphasized, so "vasara" ("hammer") is pronounced "VUH-sar-a."

[@ietu3971]

Ukko's hammer Vaaja and Indra's club Vajra. Vasara and Vajra / Vazra. Sampo and Stambha. Rahko and Rahu. Orja and Arya.Etc. It is an ancient Indo-Aryan connection.

[@lassim3111]

Arjalaiset orjalaiset 💀

[@DanielosVK]

Lots of good content on this channel recently, keep it up :)

[@IrishinFinland]

Cheers Daniel!

[@emme-livingare8455]

Thank you for educating me - I had no idea.

[@IrishinFinland]

No problem! Glad I could help

[@ReasonAboveEverything]

I am planning to make the original ukonvasara (yamnaya battle axe culture stoneaxe) from slate. They look so esthetically appealing. They are like small stone boats.

[@IrishinFinland]

Ohhhhhh nice one! They are very nice indeed

[@iamra_n3189]

UKKO! My younger son's name, LOVE IT! Great BGM, too. Oh and, subbed 😉

[@IrishinFinland]

Thank you! 🤟🏻

[@escobaristohalainen4007]

How about examing "Kirmukarmu" and "Hunnun herra" or the history of "Rapola castle" and "Cuningas de Rapalum". Also interesting things are some mentions of mythical Finland that are told in Widsith poem. Maybe not exat history but maybe there is something thruth in those iron age stories anyway.

[@IrishinFinland]

Cheers for the tip! I absolutely will check that out

[@Bruuba]

Yees! Rapola castle is very interesting!

[@ranacker]

I got nothing to comment really, so i'll just say that when you said thunder and lighting, my brain went : very very frightening GALILEO FIGARO.

[@rytkosenjussi6619]

I have ukonvasara in my neck now. You got new subscriber.

[@nirrieeva4239]

It would be nice if you could get a better annunciation on the Finn words. I like your style of presentation, otherwise very pleasant and respectful.

[@MsBeepT]

I agree. Pronounce the Finnish word as a Finn would. So important as you speak of the various names, items, etc. Big difference between saying: (HAH-noo) vs. (Haanew). (placement of emphasis, vowels, etc.) a ä... The word, Sauna... often mispronounced, is a Finnish word. Lovely content. Just confusing to listen to.

[@moonliteX]

that's the tesla logo upside down

[@IrishinFinland]

I cant unsee that now

[@moonliteX]

@@IrishinFinland 😆

[@Zenriesz]

My favorite game of all time, God Eater 2:Rage burst, a japanese game, has an enemy called Ukonvasara, it's a lightning crocodile, but most of the weapons you can make out of its parts are references to Kalevala. Lemminkainen is a spear you can make make out of Ukonvasara parts.

[@KincadeCeltoSlav]

kiitos!

[@Chokwik]

very nice video all in all :) i got curious about 2:20 picture (i'd like to know if you pieced it together :D ).. for the first time i see two riders depicted in same space with ukonvasara., but more often i've seen two riders (or: 2 horses/ 2 women/ 2 roosters) with a tree between them :) the tree was maybe the world tree, which made it more interesting as you told that ukonvasara might've meant the tree. (to my eye it looked like the 'world pillar', maailmanpylväs, holding up the lid of the sky.., some has also said Sampo is the maailmanpylväs) ..maybe these all could be synonymous, idk. Oh and btw, just to throw this into the mix, one story relates ukonvasara to be the depiction of the colliding of Väinämöinen and Joukahainen: ascending from top, zig zagging and turning at each other in the bottom.. too many stories! :D for the riders and women, you can search käspaikka in finna dot fi.. that style were common in those

[@IrishinFinland]

Wow, so many stories about it! That particular picture you're asking about is just one that I REALLY liked and found when I was doing research about it

[@recursiveslacker7730]

Can’t wait for the Noita eye puzzle to unlock this

[@hiramcrespo734]

In the Caribbean island of Cuba, the cult of Changó (orisha or Yoruba god of thunder, sometimes spelled Shango in Nigeria), also has a "thunder stone" element in his cult. These thunder stones are revered and certain kinds of medicine are attributed to it, or magical properties. Also, while most Yoruba deities are kept in a clay pot, the "mysteries" or stones of Shango are kept in a wooden box, which is reminiscent of Ukko's dwelling place / consort Rauna, which is associated with rowan wood.

[@masafarmi7709]

When it thunders, we call it Ukonilma - Ukko's weather.

[@Bruuba]

I also live ukonvasara and I have ukonvasara pendant.

[@JU13ES]

Interesting how the axe head is said to also have healing powers. I cant remember the source, but I remember reading a little something about finnish shamanic magic, and it was believed in order to heal or treat an injury you needed to know the source (iron or fire for example) and the name of the source, as the names held power in themselves. Might be something to look into!

[@klpuhelin2816]

I think you refer to "synty" or "syntysanat" which you had to know in order to heal the damage.

[@kapytimmerbacka3657]

Like you all know, in the finnish creation story the land was flat and devided into three layers with a dome on top as the sky. Also apart of the creation story, there was a large tree that went up into the sky. When ukon vasara is turned around it could resemble the dome and the tree trunk! Just a thought :)

[@Son-of-Tyr]

Going through your last few videos and they are awesome. Love the pagan sites and mythology videos dude. Your knowledge is impressive my friend. Keep up the great work!

[@obionedogan]

It's also seen in the concerts and albums of Amorphis - a Finnish music band that makes metal with folk motives and their song tell stories from the Kalevala book of tales.

[@IrishinFinland]

I might have to look into them

[@MooseDuckVlogs]

As Someone who is getting deep within Finnish history due to Finnish Hockey player I became aware Ukkonvasra i was blown away by unique design......made me dive deep.

[@orangebanana7129]

The shape could also reflect the cycle of high and low pressure air / weather systems; for example, in high pressure, the air is forced downward towards earth, resulting in dispersed cloud cover and sunny, warm days - whereas low pressure results in the cool air rising and creating condensation, cloud cover, precipitation and storms. These processes are cyclical in nature and are obviously effected by a lot of different factors, but it's interesting to see the depiction of these systems portrayed in conical fashion. I wonder if the ancients had thought of weather systems similarly, and related these conical/funnel shapes to that of a hammer and its symbolic representation of thunder and lightning storms. Maybe I'm entirely wrong but the hammer reminds me of this.

[@ortti8397]

When my friends got married summer 2020, i gave Ukonvasara for them as a gift.. they liked 😍 now they have daughter, and i'm a proud godfather.

[@michaelharkonnen8126]

It's such a shame that Kalevala Koru discontinued that pendant. If someone knows where to buy one hit me up. Bronze ones show up from time to time but I really want the silver one 😍

[@wilhelmsarasalo3546]

You can also find the upside down down version in front of Tesla cars. So, shouldn't that be more Norwegian? Tesla, the person, of course had a connection to lightning.

[@MooseDuckVlogs]

Also I am doing some creatitve writing involving Immortal Duck armed with Ukkovasara.

[@aat0san]

I'm wearing this one right now. There's a Russian workshop "Ruyan" that's making a silver replicas of this symbol

[@IrishinFinland]

I have to have a look! Cheers for the info!

[@sunelven]

Thanks! I need to check it out too!

[@TheNarghes]

Instead you can support Finnish quality jewelry by Kalevala!

[@AAToSan]

@@TheNarghes Kalevala dose not have actual replica, only modern versions

[@myNamesTakin]

Except ukonvisara was specifically found in denmark too. I would explain it as another translation of a similar concept. I've heard people say thunder charged the earth so a hammer that brings it makes sense. I love uka's version because it's almost more elegant.

[@katjas9150]

Sounds to me that the Danish finding can be a Finnish export. I'd love to find an academic study about this subject. This reminds me of a particular type of viking age brooch with specific decorations. According to historians it is originally from Western Finland, but such items have been found more broadly. These disparities really show how ancient trade routes have enabled the exchange of material culture. Of course there have been Finnish findings that have foreign origins as well. All this is very fascinating to me.

[@kotinorsu6987]

Now when i hear you english its easier to understand even than american english. Good accent i just can say

[@IrishinFinland]

Is it really? That is very interesting

[@kotinorsu6987]

@@IrishinFinland yeah yeah its so easy to understand. I dont know how but maybe because it doesnt have so much accent in it like american english or like what they speak in england

[@Whimpy13]

Imho, turned upside down it doesn't look like a tree; I think it looks like a mushroom, or an umbrella 😊

[@IrishinFinland]

Mushroom is a good one! Has to be some sort of link there with Mushrooms shamans and Finland 🤔

[@emmetbradshaw1333]

Another Irish dude living in vantaa here.me and the missis used to collect thunder water after a storm and drink that as a purge.bleedin hell did it work! Lol

[@mihkel86]

Have you ever had the time to go through Bock Sagas? You can take them as you wish, but there is a lot of information

[@IrishinFinland]

I done a part 1! Working on Part 2

[@mihkel86]

I visited the Lemmikäisen Temppeli, from that story, here in Sipoo. Powerful vibes!

[@Bjornerokk]

Maybe you know these words already but I comment it anyway if some are interested. Ukko = Father Ukon ilma = Father's weather Ukkonen = Thunder ( nen describes feature, like ''weather is sunny'') Ukko Ylijumala = Father overgod (overgod is like overlord, but instead it being lord of lords, it is God of gods) And these are pretty interesting things I discovered. In bible it says God's voice is like thunder... Jesus gave nickname to James and John, sons of Thunder. If you translate it, it will be ''Ukkosen pojat'' There is old prayers for Ukko in certain situations, what is really interesting I have found these in bible too. I am pretty sure Finns worshiped Father God before Christianity, and it was not very Christ like for ''Church'' that time to spread gospel and kill everyone who refuses to join that religion or continue ''Pagan ways''. Even tho if I am pretty sure of it, I am not 100% sure, so, I could be wrong, but my study continues! I find this Really Really Interesting.

[@Nikwunu]

I believe it also resembles a longboat

[@IrishinFinland]

That's definitely one I can see

[@grahamturner1290]

There are Danish Thor's Hammers of virtually identical design.

[@KarenLee-bs5ms]

I saw a deer running in back of you when you was doing the video.. at least it looked like a deer to me😂😂

[@mariaruiz348]

Hi, are the crows also part of the Finnish mithology ?

[@IrishinFinland]

Ravens, yes, And this subject will be covered very soon on my channel ✊🏻

[@businessgoosep936]

3:14 what the heack is that thing behind him

[@businessgoosep936]

I think its a raindeer or a person rideing something

[@ribbitgoesthedoglastnamehe4681]

@Irish in Finland What is your take on the opinion that the Aesir, the war gods of the scandinavian mythology represent the swedish/norwegian/etc peoples, and the Vanir, the nature gods represent the finnish/estonian/karelian/etc peoples, as the dual pantheon is really weird, as the Vanir are not really "their" gods but an "other" tribe of gods. Similar, familiar, close enough to marry, but in the end, separate enough to have a separate afterlife.

[@randomnukke546]

Thats really interesting tought.

[@Sienisota]

Unfortunately, the Vanir are more likely Germanic gods. Vanir have nothing common with those of the Finnish gods we do know. The names also don't sound at all like Finnish or Estonian. More likely, Finns/Finn gods were Jotun. Ice age moved a lot of huge boulders in Finland, making it look like giants had thrown huge rocks around.

[@ribbitgoesthedoglastnamehe4681]

@@Sienisota It wouldnt be like finnish gods, as they are part of norse pantheon. I am saying that maybe the stories depict fighting and living with finnish people, and then turned to purely norse stories with norse names. Do the Jotun names sound like Finnish or Estonian?

[@Sienisota]

@@ribbitgoesthedoglastnamehe4681 Other than Loki, none of the names sound like Finnish. Loki is close to words like lokki, liekki, lovi, Louhi... We know so little about that time, I suppose we will never have more than theories. Vanir do seem like they were separate at some point.

[@abhiramn474]

Vasara? Sounds like vajra (Indra's weopan)

[@-EekaMouse-]

Ukonvasara and Mjölnir probably originate from same sources, i have no proof of it but using common sense it would make sense. Not the only thing that is common between the Finnish and Viking mythology.

[@jokemon9547]

I wouldn't say the same source, but the tradition of having amulets of the hammer/axe of the thunder god did become prevalent around the Baltic starting from the 500s onward was likely from a shared source. The concept of the axe or hammer as Ukko's weapon was likely derived from the Baltic people rather than the Scandinavians of the Viking age, especially since Perkele (either Ukko going by a regional name or a very similar deity serving the same roles) is from the Baltic thunder god Perkunas. The only reason they are similar is because Baltic people and Scandinavians had a very similar culture and religion on the account of their shared Indo-European origins. Ukko also had many other weapons than just the axe or hammer. Things like clubs, bows and swords were also viewed as Ukko's weapon of choice. The bow being represented as Ukko's weapon is likely the oldest of them all and is shared pretty much among every other Uralic speaking peoples' mythos, since it had been the most important tool and weapon a person had for a really long time.

[@Morhgoz]

it is axe!

[@Budismo7917]

Well Hail Uko and Hail Thor The Thunder Gods 🤣 Yeah its quited similar but Ukonvasara has a little bit different shape but i think both are cool

[@ToniHyvarinen86]

Its a mexican hat 😉

[@Villamuumi]

Other name for Ukko might've been Perkele, which our lovely christians turned into name of satan.

[@Tony-Injection]

"...christians might have turned into..."

[@rainrai]

every one difrent .. for me sky and.... nature.. drunken finish.. life... "sisters" poor pahatar.. :)

[@rainrai]

prkl ukko yli jumala... marvell religious....scry and..... ...

[@sunelven]

Quite interesting that the Sami and Finnic peoples lived in Nordic countries called Norway, Sweden and Finland and parts of Russia already after the last ice age. It seems that the Germanic people that came to the North much later adopted their belief system from the Finns. In other words the Vikings took and adopted symbols, myths and gods from the Finnish culture and made them their own.

[@sunelven]

@@guzelataroach4450 The Germanic tribes were nowhere to be seen in the nordic regions until very late. The oldest petroglyphs in the north are made by Finns, even the names of the regions and villages/towns/lakes has Finnish names all over Norway, Sweden, Finland and parts of Russia. The Finns and Sami are the natives of the North, Germans such as Goths and Svens came much later.

[@duhni4551]

It is my dads hammer =D

[@kaleb.Torah.mitzvot.]

Ukonvasara, It is Ukko, God Almighty not just some lower God Ukko is the one and Highest one, God almighty.

[@kaleb.Torah.mitzvot.]

The consept of Ukko is similar as יהוה in Bible, also there is lower "demigods" like Väinämöinen, Joukahainen, Seppä (Seppo) Ilmarinen. Also there is Evil Louhi, Pohjoisen Akka, witch and wicked ruler of the North. Ahti, king of the sea lords Aino, maiden, Joukahaisen's sister Annikki, Seppo Ilmarinen's sister Antero Vipunen, the buried giant who is the wisest of all; even wiser than Väinämök Iku-Turso, sea monster Ilmarinen, or Seppo Ilmarinen, the country's best blacksmith, "forge ageless" Ilmatar, Väinämöinen's mother Joukahainen, a young man from Lapland, hates Väinämö Kalervo, Kullervo's father Koko or horizontal bird, giant talking eagle Kullervo, unlucky man Kyllikki, Lemminkäinen's woman Lemminkäinen, the hero, cannot resist warfare and women Lemminkäinen's mother, brought Lemminkäinen back to life Louhi, Mistress of the North or Akka of the North, the originator of evil Marjatta, gives birth to the king of Karelia, after becoming pregnant virginally after eating a lingonberry Little man, fell the great oak Pohjola's host, Louhe's spouse, whom Lemminkäinen kills at Pohjola's wedding Pohjola's daughters, world-renowned beauties Sampsa Pellervoinen, the sower of lands, the thickener of caterpillars Tapio, king of the forest people Tellervo, Tapio's charming daughter Terhenetär, terhenes are maidens who can be lifted by the mist, who dance on the surface of the water[10] Tiera (Tuira), Lemminkäinen's war partner, skilled spear user[19] That bloody son; finds Lemminkäinen in Tuonela's stream and chops him into pieces and throws him back into the stream Tuonen's girl, Tuonela's ferry Tuuri and Tuuri's wife. Into their house a fiery pain falls Ukko, overlord Untamo, Kalervo's enemy Vellamo, the mother of the water Vellamo's maiden, Aino after her death Virokannas, a side character mentioned in passing in the 20th and 50th poems. Väinämöinen, singer, hero, scientist and demigod.

[@uncle7304]

I have Ukon vasara Tattooed on my right arm

[@jrsgarage7623]

Don't ukon mean worm

[@jrsgarage7623]

Like ukongoilra

[@jrsgarage7623]

My dad taught me that is what a furry caterpillar is called dog worm. They are brown and furry.

[@korjataanse4858]

Why do you continuously pronounce it FASSAARA instead of VASARA? Haven’t you ever heard the word? Fassara is an arabic word that means to explain, to expound, to elaborate, to eludiate or to interpret, and it has nothing to do with Finnish VASARA, and it sounds totally different as well.

[@jslfcs6655]

Give him a break. He's doing his best and his pronunciation is very good and only getting better.

[@korjataanse4858]

@@jslfcs6655 I wasn’t talking to you. And the pronunciation was indeed the worst you could ever imagine. Well, if that would be his best, he would be hopeless. But I don’t think so. I hope he can learn if you as an obstacle to that would just step aside and keep silent.

[@MarkoVahlroos]

@@korjataanse4858 It's ok to tell some one that they pronounce things badly, but not ok to bash them for it. Rakentava palaute on parenpi kuin julkinen lynkkaus ihan vaan ääntämisen takia. Yritystä sentään oli, enemmän kuin monilla muilla. Älä ole noin negatiivinen...

[@MarkoVahlroos]

@KorjataanSe Ja palataan asiaan kun on kuultu sun puhuvan englantia. Siinäkin todennäköisesti on sanomista, vaikka olisi sun ykkös kieli...

[@jslfcs6655]

@@korjataanse4858 Too bad. This is a public message board so you , just have to deal with it.

[@Kangsteri]

This is total horse shit :D Ukonvasara is molten sand from lightning. The picture you shoved IS the hammer of Thor. Also known as Amanita muscaria.

[@XtreeM_FaiL]

Ukonvasara is fulgrite too, but also a stone axe, axehammer, hammer.