What it takes for a patient to be committed involuntarily

[@charlotteherold4536]

I didnt have a strong opinion against forced mental health until I was wrongly diagnosed and was forced to take antipsychotics for doing spiritual healings. I learned how mean and abusive people can be in psych wards. I learned that information written about patients is often inaccurate. I learned patients voices are often silenced in the psych system. This video doesnt interview the many people choosing not to get help because medications gave them uncomfortable side effects. It doesnt interview people who were mistreated in the psych system. It does at least mention someone saying she does not support forced medication for her son. It does at least mention that housings is important for health and wellbeing. Hopefully people watching this realize that it takes more than a pill to fix homelessness. Forcibly drugging people is a human rights issue and it can cause a lot of harm. Data should be taken on effectiveness of forced drugging and patients should be believed. I am curious what percent of people have the success storu portrayed in this video.

[@scoobydadog246]

I'm so sorry Charlotte. I'll tell you - the 'success' stories in this video are the exceptions they pull out for the news propaganda so Joe Public can sit back and think this 'wonderful' system is 'helping' people. What you've experienced is the norm. There is a growing trend (look at the DSM V - and look into the history of that book of fiction) - to make what is behavior some consider 'different' , or just normal human emotion or distress into an 'illness', that requires medication. And the medication is now always these so called antipsychotics, which are really brain damaging neuroleptic drugs. You are right - the mass forced drugging in America is an epidemic, and the biggest human rights issue in our country - in my opinion. The people most targeted - the intellectually challenged, the disabled, the elderly, but also everyone in between - don't have the ability to fight back. There is some start, but there aren't attorneys standing up against this huge machine - the counties/states, the police, and the legal system. People want to believe a pill will fix homelessness and all social problems because it's easy. Pharmaceutical companies and those agencies all cash in - while people like you suffer abuse and are collateral damage. You are not alone.. there are 100s of thousands like you starting to speak out. Keep speaking out. Share your story. Are you safe now?

[@mindyjoyfullplay5340]

Amen. Ben there for same reasons.

[@John-w9c7m]

Shut the hell up

[@southernwinters]

Per my statement and late to the reply. I had a UTI after a surgery. I have mild Generalized Anxiety Disorder for which I do not take prescribed medications. I’ve never been more traumatized in my life. Not ever.

[@southernwinters]

Christ in heaven. I’m okay.

[@shanecollins3943]

There are plenty of people begging for help that are turned away and tons of people forced into commitment that don't need it. If someone asks for help it falls on deaf ears, if someone is wealthy and has the ability to help themselves they will most definitely be forced into commitment, if someone is in extreme need of help they will not receive any. This like any other medical care boils down to money.

[@whenindoubtmutemyownmouth5180]

With mental healthcare all you really need to do is throw some money at a lawyer who specializes in family law and they get the judge to send the cops after them the "wealthy" are just people that hired a lawyer to get the process started.

[@scoobydadog246]

@@whenindoubtmutemyownmouth5180 Spot on pal. It's not much different than in the 50s and 60s - if your wife was getting a little too annoying, you could call up Dr. Feelgood and have her lobotomized in your kitchen. Now the police and county bureaucrats are involved what doesn't get talked about is the growing trend of people being committed and drugged involuntarily who don't really need that, now that pharma has made all their toxins into injectable 'long acting' forms. And - even if you offer to throw money at them, none of those 'family law' attorneys will be interested in helping those trying to fight their wrongful drugging and commitment.

[@shanecollins3943]

The state mainly only commits people who do not need the help and ignores the people who do. The system doesn't make any sense

[@victoriaboerschinger2891]

I agree with you completely!

[@caramelbilquees]

100 % America Sucks LA Sucks I've seen this misused by case worker in organisations to lock up people for complete control & make money off them while they are completely sane and told everyone they are not suicidal I've also seen many on the streets of LA who are insane on Drugs throwing around metal poles with spikes while we're standing next to them and the police are there and say and do nothing?

[@brainbomb.]

The people who made the system like this are in and going to Hell.

[@alpal87]

What about the homeless acting violent and deranged.

[@JacksonHansen-be3ru]

IF someone is breaking the law, and /especially/ if breaking said law is directly endangering the lives of others' without their knowledge/participation, then call the f'kn cops, simple as that. Again, that's /IF/ they're breaking the law or putting lives/health at excessive risk. You, as a citizen, are expected to exercise good judgement as the situation is at your discretion, not a lawyers' or psychiatrists' or even the police's, as usually they must be alerted to situations. Homeless + violence? Homeless has nothing to do with that situation, only the violence /if/ there is any. Deranged? Check your holier-then-thou attitude at the church your probably worship at, please. Tell you what, if you can define 'deranged' wherein which one can conceivably measure through tests, then I'll agree it matters. But I don't believe such to be possible as 'mental health' is idiosyncratic, intangible and has absolutely no place in law or matters of the state. Why have laws if liberty can be revoked at the whim of anybody with enough cash, pull or persuasion? So many today, through ignorance or arrogance - doesn't matter which, are under the spell of psychiatry's quackery. It's getting to be a very serious problem...

[@southernwinters]

There is no money sending the homeless to a psych ward. There is only jail crowding...

[@lucystrider728]

Society has a duty to people with severe mental illness to take care of them. The overlooked fact is that most of the time they cannot make informed decisions so they should not be making decisions that put them at risk or endanger others. They simply do not understand the risks or benefits of potential outcomes, and may have limited grasp of reality. They absolutely need to be placed in protective, welk run

[@cirno4820]

But often times forced mental health treatment can cause problems like with Brittany Spears. I don't think government should be able to force people to take drugs. It can be weaponized.

[@libertaslibertas5923]

So you want to punish people for having mental illness? Involuntary commitment should be limited to one week. And not more than one week every 365 days. Theb the person should be forced to fo every 2 days to a center for mental hralth to take the medecine and talk with the psychiatrist. And the medecine cant damage the person mentally phisically esthetically and functionally.

[@bradleypatrick5030]

The psych wards of the past ruined forced commitment for us today. It's not fair to the person suffering or those who are damaged by their behavior. My stepson is on the streets right now in lebanon tennessee. As cold as it is. He refuses treatment, shelters, any treatment. His aggressive, violent, paranoid behavior has steadily gotten worse. None of his old friends want to be around him. His family is worried he'll attack them. He broke his grandpa's nose last year. He's threatened his mother and myself. Now he thinks we went to the courts and got custody of his baby which doesn't exist. It's bullshit that he needs forced help and won't get it until he hurts or kills someone. Our system needs a drastic change!

[@matthewdenham7398]

I was put on a very short hold and it does work it makes any episodes that I have now not mean squat

[@mgibson7659]

Vivil commitment centers horrible

[@CloverJ_Mermaid]

We have a family member who really needs to be committed. Our family is very confused about what we should do.

[@southernwinters]

Back off. Maybe someone will call you when you’re struggling. These places make people worse. Think about it. He’s rather be in the streets than a hellhole… don’t call people. His mother had no right. He was released.

[@timdunn5691]

Not much

[@Saints_ravenfortheRainbow]

Hey goverments, stop being opposed to tiny houses. Have more houses for them that are actually easier to maintain for disabled.

[@familylifescienceeducation5227]

Thank you for sharing this information. Very helpful.

[@lucystrider728]

sorry, well run facilities instead of being left to their own devices where they suffer, cause serious problems, and die. There is a time and a place for supervised and enforced placement when the person cannot function safely. So many of the homeless are in this category, and it is not a kindness to call it "freedom" and allow it to occur.

[@Mariam-kg7fr]

Amen

[@cirno4820]

Not unless they commit a crime. Sorry, but if a criminal conviction is not required to commit someone, then the system can be weaponized like with Brittany Spears. Oftentimes temporary crisis ends up in forced drugging which prevents them from recovering and makes their situation permanent.

[@whenindoubtmutemyownmouth5180]

There's not enough beds for them all, in order to take in patients they have to let patients out, they can't take in everyone who needs it.

[@ray495903314]

@@whenindoubtmutemyownmouth5180 you start with those who are a danger to self. they have the right to be a danger to self, they have a right to die. let them out and you might have enough room for other people. triage.

[@libertaslibertas5923]

Homeless people need houses. Not involuntary commitment.

[@Saints_ravenfortheRainbow]

You have the option of finding a deliverance ministry. Do you believe in Jesus? Do you know he healed a blind man? He died for us.

[@mgibson7659]

No wtong

[@joebaumgart1146]

I placed a former friend under a 5150 and regret nothing. I have ptsd now because he violently attacked me for nothing but delusional thoughts. I could have just thrown him in jail. I'm sorry your sick, but the safety of society is more important that your freedom. It's not fair that all of us decent, hardworking, law abiding people should live in fear because your sick.

[@brainbomb.]

The guy's mother is the abuser and deserves to be sent a restraining order.

[@southernwinters]

Agree! She’s horrible!

[@covidmisinformation7481]

What it SHOULD take to be involuntarily committed: 1. Taking a shit on the street in front of total strangers. 2. Screaming at the top of your lungs for half an hour while swinging your fists at thin air all around you 3. Beating up a complete stranger. 4. Smashing someone else's property for no reason. 5. Stripping naked and walking down the MAX tracks, in broad daylight. I've seen ALL of these (some multiple times) in Portland in the last year.

[@Mariam-kg7fr]

Most of the time people see that but dont report it to the police. These people need help and I guarantee you if enough people call and report them, the cops will investigate just to get people off their backs.

[@cirno4820]

I agree. If you are convicted of a crime because of your mental illness then perhaps commitment can be a potential sentence.

[@christinalee6736]

Well I did not do any of this. And I was still placed on a 5150 in a hospital. I did not feel I was a danger to myself or others. It was all a misunderstanding. Should I file a lawsuit against the police ? Ideas and suggestions are appreciated

[@christinalee6736]

I felt I was wrongly placed on hold April of 2020

[@christinalee6736]

I felt that I didn’t display any suicidal symptoms. I know words have consequences but I did say the words were a misunderstanding and the cops didn’t buy that

[@ray495903314]

I can tell this lady has never been in mental hospital. I used to work in one. people are treated more like animals in there than they are on the streets.

[@z03792]

They literally abused me into a 5150 and yes they even treat people like animals in there too and they make it like I'm the problem ever since.

[@walexia]

Some are poorly regulated and are for-profit

[@Rattlsnke]

That is what I always heard. I was held until I could see a psychiatrist when I went to the ER in an ambulance and got a room immediately. All I was expressing was my pain and me trying to get words out to explain to them what was going on. Reading my notes from different people I see why upstairs had no idea why I was there with a needle from an IV in my arm. I am definitely not psychotic and they knew I wasn’t a danger to anyone including myself. The psych staff was wonderful to me. Every single person. I have CPTSD and being thrown in a room with noises outside of it with no way to escape…that and people screaming at me trigger hyperventilating panic attacks. I wasn’t anxious until I found out I wasn’t allowed to leave. I had to put myself in pain to be discharged from psych because my heart rate was in the 20s. The security guards surprised me the most. I have heard AWFUL horror stories about psych security. One kept going out of his way to make me more comfortable. I don’t know what I would have done if they had locked the door. It was the middle of the night…apparently the ER tried to tranq me. It didn’t work. I’m not violent I just gave in. I curse a lot, that’s all. Psych thought I needed medical and medical saw me as bipolar with anxiety.

[@colonelradec5956]

She's a broken horse is what it is. I have no idea what this woman's specific issues are but many are gaslighted or basically broken like a horse into believing they were the issue the whole time. Yet many of these people were not really the problem they just fell on hard times and nobody around to help. And if you don't go with the program willfully they will just keep you there. So many lie to themselves and just do what their told to complete the program and be free again. This happened to me in juvi that's how I can tell. She don't even believe the words she's saying.

[@mgibson7659]

That center is horrific

[@Thesouthwillriseagain]

Been mentally I’ll for a very long time and suicidal longer those hospitals are not helpful the clinics don’t help wards are the worst thing ever and we are mentally ill not animals to lock up and hide from society and society needs a reality check cause there more mental then most of us and bipolar isn’t that serious just dramatic and boarderline personality disorder is just like bipolar except mood swings change hourly compared to days weeks or longer for bipolar and yeah that sucks not be up or down that long but try you dunno what mood your gonna be in could be happiest you ever have been and someone says something that effected you and having to watch as your entire mood slowly gets ruined and your sad now and you can’t get happy again and probably won’t feel joy for a while as your emotions swirl and your stuck inside your own head questioning yourself and how others might feel your just a downer during a fun time but you couldn’t help that could been anger and ya started hurting peoples feelings out of rage or any other emotion but mainly getting your day and self ruined over something that shouldn’t bother you but totally brings you down into a awkward feeling moment when you was feeling some way else

[@Mariam-kg7fr]

I pray God shows mercy to all those experiencing homelessness & mental illness. Addiction just makes the situation 10 times worse. People don'tunderstand mental illness drives you to use drugs to self medicate and silence the voicesin your head. May God protect & guide you and give those who pass judgement a heavy dose of crisis involving a loved one. In His name I pray.

[@gregkosinski2303]

You’re making a blanket statement that the hospitals don’t work, but the woman in this piece was helped by them.

[@libertaslibertas5923]

@@gregkosinski2303 i had s terrible experience with involuntary commitment.

[@joebaumgart1146]

A person who I once was close friends with randomly attacked me. I shouldn't live in constant fear because you don't want to take your meds or get mental help. I carry a gun now because if he gets out, I'm sure he'll kill me. Sometimes, for no reason, there are people born who can't be part of society.

[@libertaslibertas5923]

@@joebaumgart1146 and what is the solution? Locking up innocent people because they are considered dangerous and might commit a crime? Punishment first crime later? Limit involuntary committment to one week and allow involuntary committment only if there is a serious psicological problem, the person doesnt accept the cures and it cant be done outside hospital. And no more than one week every 365 days. Then the patient could be forced to go to a centre for mentsl health to take the medecine and talk with the psichiatrist. And the medecine cant damage the person mentally phisically esthetically or functionally. Unless there is a phisical illness and not a mental one and the alternative is death or a very serious phisical condition like blindness or paralisis. And the person should be allowed to avoid treatment if the person wants tovoid it. Then first of all it is better to let someone violate other peoples rights than to violate that persone rights by locking them up for life. Then even if there werent mental help and the right medecines there would be alternatives like giving that person someone that goes out with them and is armed, giving the person a home of their own so that they dont harm their family, put police everywhere...

[@soggyfries4347]

They prob have to have a bodycount higher than five before they can committed in Oregon.

[@mgibson7659]

Its sad. Civil commitment saying plea deals are a guilty plea

[@mgibson7659]

Plea deals no there are more

[@mgibson7659]

Not 6 months

[@hoodbratakajustcass2454]

My poor momma tops this prayers for her help 🙏