What Judo Lost when IJF Banned Leg Grabs

[@gladiumcaeli]

I strongly believe Sambo has a better takedown scoring system than Judo, Two things that stand out to me were: if you use a drop technique you'll get half the points, and only if you stay standing after you have thrown your opponent on their back do you get an ippon. I like them because 1. drop techniques don't have much amplitude (Seoi vs. drop Seoi ), not as exciting to watch, also on the Streets you don't want to wreck your knees on the pavement doing drop throws, 2. Staying standing after you have thrown your opponent shows you have control of the throw, I believe this is where the self-defense part of judo comes in, throw your opponent if needed then run. Sometimes I see some ippon where people get their back taken after throwing their opponent, what good is that? Funny enough BJJ not being a takedown center art, has a better rule of what is considered a good takedown, Staying in top control for 2 seconds after the throw is better than what judo has at the moment.

[@thecubeman381]

Truer words have never been spoken

[@SpodyOdy]

Iv always said the same about remaining in a dominant position to truly win by ippon is only logical goal. Why they allow some one that immediately loses control to win is confusing.

[@HopperActive]

Very well put. Jiu jitsu needs an ippon rule. A good throw is the equivalent of an submission in my mind.

[@MasterPoucksBestMan]

I can understand in the sense that if you drop someone on their head on hard ground, it isn't going to matter if you are lying on your back on top of them, because they can't take your back if they are unconscious. The question is, how reliable would it be to bank on that in a real confrontation?

[@VDarksteel]

Very good points right here

[@llynellyn]

The leg grab ban was one of the strangest chain of events and it all revolved around the Olympics. First the IOC dropped wrestling because it was unpopular with spectators as it had basically become no Gi Judo which meant no cool throws, then wrestling partially reinvented itself to be cooler and the IOC brought it back which scared the IJF as they figured they might get dropped by the IOC if wrestling was more exciting now, so they banned leg grabs to try and maximise the use of cool throws xD

[@josephgreenslade7525]

I never thought about the timelines, good catch! The ironiy is, some of the leg grab techniques like Te Garuma and Kata Garuma are some of the most spectacular Ippons you will ever see. I feel like there could be some nuance added to minimise stalling but allowing for big throws.

[@joatanpereira4272]

it's so stupid though, wrestling and judo bring much more people than many events but the IOC keeps fucking them up.

[@azraelknightquest5754]

The leg grab ban has very much been met with criticism. Also, I feel it's going to make Judo weaker against other grappling styles. I remember watching "challenge matches" where wrestlers or BJJ guys with a wrestling background would dive for the leg and the Judoka would reverse or sprawl out against the takedown and work from there. Well, they don't have to worry about THAT anymore. Now, Judoka's will become so accustomed to NEVER having to worry about being shot in on their legs that they will have no reflexive or experienced sprawls or reversals against leg grabs. So, for myself, I strongly disagree with the leg grab ban. Not that anybody cares.

[@phobowl]

It was a sad day that judo admitted throws are not as effective as takedowns.

[@azraelknightquest5754]

@phobowl What are you talking about?

[@SeanWinters]

​@@azraelknightquest5754It's true. Removing leg grabs kinda proved how effective they were.

[@CJ-tz1iw]

I was pleased they were banned as imho it was becoming judo vs leg grabs. And therefore taking a lot of the skill and elegance out of classic judo.

[@azraelknightquest5754]

@@CJ-tz1iw I respectfully disagree.

[@codenameidk206]

I am new to Judo and even I think leg grabs should return. Judo is incomplete without leg grabs.

[@VTdarkangel]

I think banning leg grabs outright was a mistake. I think a good middle ground would've been requiring that all leg grabs must start from an upper body grab first. Just my thoughts, but there could be some other implications that I'm missing.

[@36424567254]

that is actually what freestyle judo ruleset allows. Sadly it's not very popular, and literally non existent outside USA.

[@kennethokeefebrake8415]

Has Merritt!

[@MaxLohMusic]

Haha oh lord back in the day that's exactly what they STARTED with. Leg grabs were still allowed but only as counters or follow-ups. Not 1 year later they were like "mwahaha it was our plan all along to remove leg grabs entirely; that was just a taste".

[@Drikkerbadevand]

I have had the exact same idea. Why the hell are we acting like we can't make rules around it? Just ban spamming leg grabs. It's simple. Awarding penalties are already basically at the ref's discretion anyways. lol

[@davidg5849]

This ages extremely well

[@bushy9780]

I love how information dense these videos are. It's like reading a textbook.

[@bless_you_361]

I would personally like leg grabs to come back because my goal with Judo is to do big throws with efficiency, control, and force, and I think te guruma is such a gem 🥲 But I also totally get the low hips nature of wrestling making it less dynamic. I wish there was a middle ground! Maybe like no shooting, but let leg grabs from standing be allowed?

[@wurstvermutung9916]

great video, hope that leg grabs come back

[@asoto1516]

Funny timing, I just got back from our last practice of leg throws. My dojo in Oregon, Ojukan, has started doing August as a No-Gi month to deal with the heat and practice more diverse kata like the leg throws. I absolutely loved getting to throw and receive Te Guruma. I think it's a great way to work in the leg throws and talk about why they aren't allowed in competition. My sensei talks about an Olympic year where Judo and Wrestling where held next to each other and looked almost the same. We're more of a casual dojo with a good location. I started competing at the start of 2022 and lost in 3 tournaments but got second in one earlier this year!! I'm 29, been doing judo for 3 years after only doing soccer before and I really love the sport and philosophy and especially ukemi, just a wonderful skill and body knowledge I've never had before.

[@Sam-rb1id]

Great idea. That sounds awesome.

[@f1r3hunt3rz5]

What Olympic year was that?

[@kennethokeefebrake8415]

Shintaro ... at 5'5" and 205lbs I fought many players over 6' tall. I WORKED the lower body and leg grabbed, especially when they extended that long leg. 😉

[@ulysses-pact]

Sometimes I think about if leg grabs were reintroduced but any "ippon" made with it were counted just as an "wazari".

[@elvinkoay1393]

I think that was the whole issue with leg grabs also. People would get a wazari with a single leg then just run a out the clock playing defensively

[@ulysses-pact]

@@elvinkoay1393 wouldn't that apply to any wazari?

[@hydeseyk3924]

Gold. More content like this please!

[@batgwill]

Leg grab bans have made judo less effective against other grappling styles in grappling matches, as well as the lack of time for newaza in the current rules, but I think if we ever saw an "MMA in clothes" ruleset the upright Judo would be crucial. just look at sambo

[@kaisermojica4216]

Thank you for sharing this video gives me more appreciation for our BJJ academy where we do a good amount of Judo and Wrestling takedowns.

[@vids595]

All the bjj schools that focus on competition do a good amount of judo and wrestling.

[@jamesfox-exelby111]

I've always thought that the best solution is just make takedowns non scoring. Can touch legs for defense, can grip the leg and sweep etc... But the best you get is waza-ari (if anything) maybe for like a counter or something. Encourages standup for big ippons, discourages takedowns because they're inefficient, but still allows for good judo with wide threats and gives more options to ne-waza specialists.

[@Sam-rb1id]

This is what I think. Why not allow morote gari for example but just don't score it. That way we don't lose the technique but it is less incentivised as its only value is to try set up a quick submission.

[@vids595]

Then there should be more time for grappling after the takedown.

[@Sam-rb1id]

@@vids595 This one I dont agree with. I feel like if you want to roll around on the floor you can do BJJ. I like the ethic of Judo being a standing art where you really have to setup the submission from the throw or get back up. I think lengthening it a little to allow people to attack the passive turtles is fair but dont want any more. Just do BJJ along side your Judo if you want more ground work!

[@nickelmanful]

​@@Sam-rb1id judo as just a standing art is so far removed from the art was originally

[@LeightonsLibrary]

​@nickelmanful not true. Dr. Kano preferred throwing and judo didn't have much of a newaza component in the early days. It took some judoka getting kicked around by some rival newaza-focused Japanese jujutsu schools for Kano to integrate newaza into his system. And even then, newaza time was limited in order to keep the focus on standup. From the very beginning, judo has always been primarily a standup grappling art with some newaza on the side. And it should stay that way imo.

[@optimusmaximus9646]

Another highly informative video. Thank you.

[@Schurem]

I love this vid. You make so much sense. I also love that you explain clearly why the leg grabs make for stalemates and such.

[@NYTomiki]

I think the ban on leg grabs was an accidental gift in that it forced a refinement of nage-waza that we might not have seen otherwise. No style is 100% complete and I'm happy if Judo relegates itself to these techniques and range as THE AUTHORITY on throwing within the broader martial arts community. Imagine If boxing also allowed leg grabs? I think the result would have been that, in concerning itself with sprawls and wizzers, etc, it wouldn't have the same level of refinement in striking. Put simply, all cross trainers NEED the hyper-specialists. Secondly, leg grabs w/o a balancing treat to the face inculcates a very chin forward posture which is not the best strategy from a self-defense perspective. If you were you bring back leg grabs it would need to be accompanied by atemi with the face being a legal target.

[@seer775]

Boxing with leg grabs is mma.

[@VDarksteel]

Glad you made this, still frustrated they got rid of leg grabs

[@scottmarlow6018]

When martial art sports start limiting techniques, I think it diminishes the art as being an effective martial art and makes things more nonsensical. I saw this in TKD back in the day and, me being short, it was just ridiculous me trying to out kick someone, but if I got to the inside I could punch but there was so many limits on where and how you can punch, but a kick to head was ok. That really makes no sense. A kick is far more powerful than a punch. I definitely saw more equality when I started BJJ, I could adapt my game to the person's height.

[@phillipmarlowe0525]

Really like the shorter hair style. Awesome video as usual. Thanks Sir!

[@beskeptic]

Nice video Higashi sensei! Thank you very much for that one

[@IamJlotheist]

❤ Wonderful insight! I am looking forward to some videos on these leg grabs 🤙🥋 oss

[@Fred-px5xu]

Awesome techniques my friend!

[@danielmontilla1197]

The big issue was Morote Gari? Allow for a single grip under the belt, that way we get lots of moves back without people bulldozing each other's legs like wrestlers.

[@josenildo6558]

Yes, and ban those shooting leg grabs, shooting ankle picks, etc. If people fails a leg grab and dont score, penalise with shido like they penalise false attacks

[@paulthomassen5007]

I loved the morote gari, It was my signature move in tournaments. and if you didnt score an ippon I couldquickly tranfer into any frontal chokeholds, just get them on their backs and get your hands as far back into the neck of the gi as possible as quickly as possible. And just hold on for your dear life becaus e the opponent would try to get there first

[@SeitzAl1]

Love the new hair style! Cool video as always, too :)

[@Dave-mv1yk]

This is why I train both judo and bjj, but if people ask me which I prefer, I tell them it's bjj, and by a lot. The meta (took this term from gaming) of bjj is ever evolving. New techniques and counter techniques and details for chains/finishes are being invented on the mats all the time. For example, the mikey lock didn't exist until about 2 years ago. Tarikoplata was about 4 years ago. However, if someone invented a new throw in judo, the first thing they would do is ban it, cuz that's all they've been doing for the past 20 years is banning totally valid techniques. No leg grabs, no standing subs, almost no ground time at all, can't hold on to this or that or that for over 5 seconds, no wrist lock or any leg locks...no fun.

[@36424567254]

Freestyle judo (which sadly is only practiced a bit in USA afaik) has a very smart rule imo. Can do leg grabs, but only if you have kumi kata - no shooting without grips, to prevent that undesirable wrestler stance. Ofc, you can still use them as bailouts, but really what is the difference with the modern, omnipresent, ludicrous drop seoi that everybody and their dog knows had 0 chance of working? I say none, actually at least that leg grab bail out/counter has a decent chance of success. And if not, you could punish the false attack with shido just like they are supposed to do for drop seoi (though they are almost always _too_ late to do it imo).

[@AllAhabNoMoby]

I specifically hate the REASON they banned so many moves, and also why they basically removed newaza from competition. It was all done for commercial reasons. They wanted more distinction between wrestling and judo in the Olympics, and the corrupt IJF complied. And made judo a lesser art for it, because most dojos train for competition and only teach techniques that are allowed. Judo is still awesome, but it is diminished compared to before the bans.

[@KingMob4313]

There was a chain of weird rules that needed to pop up due to the leg grab ban, biggest in my mind was the ban against the "bear hug" takedown. Because you could no longer duck under and Gari a bear hugger, the bear hug became so prominent they needed to ban it.

[@jeremy4155]

We lost kata-garuma. That was as game changing of a technique as uchi-mata or seonagi.

[@KingOfSwords720]

Judo lost kikuchi daoshi and the original kataguruma. Which were great reversal or saving techniques, but I'm sure you'll be teaching them as BJJ techniques soon😂

[@Mrz0rx]

I almost missed that king of the hill bit towards the end there!

[@ddas8554]

The problem of stalling and having a lower defensive posture can easily be fixed by forcing both players to initiate a clinch (or have both of their hands grab onto the gi) before doing any attacks. This way when we allow leg grabs again, we will see less stalling, less people having less a lower defensive posture, and no more shooting for the legs from a distance (or removing the long range judo game altogether). Also, leg grabbing from a clinch is much harder and both players must put more effort and set up to achieve it than simply just shooting for the legs from a distance. Also, we will see more of a balance between hip throws and leg grabs.

[@MasterPoucksBestMan]

I think it's whatever in terms of competitions, as long as it doesn't cause the art to lose more techniques because no one trains them because you can't use them in competitions.

[@gmkgoat]

It'll always happen. People train for what they get tested on. If competition doesn't allow a technique, the teachers have no incentive to teach it and the students have no incentive to learn it.

[@batissta44]

​@gmkgoat that's unfortunate.

[@navinthiyambarawatte5121]

Te-guruma looks cool throw I’m still trying to get hiza and koshi.

[@dynabungie]

I'm lucky my coach has his black belt in both judo and BJJ, we have learn a lot of the leg stuff as well as pins that are very useful in a BJJ competition.

[@sean5278]

As a guy who grew up with judo in the 80's I don't understand why a different full contact org hasn't become the standard. MMA is mainstream, bare knuckle is gaining acceptance. I guess the choice is non judo grappling tournaments or abandoning judo for BJJ

[@mateusz3162]

nice good old bjj critique ;)

[@jestfullgremblim8002]

Pls don't mention it, i always get sad again when i remember this rule 😭

[@Veritas-dq2hs]

SERIOUSLY!! It's so pathetic they did that

[@friedricewbacon]

@@Veritas-dq2hs well not really it kind of ruins the classical throws, because you can just spam double legs, singe legs and wrestling like moves like shintaro said

[@friedricewbacon]

Although they did lose some good throws

[@friedricewbacon]

And some throws they can grab a leg while you are doing it

[@treeman5263]

As a wrestler that wants to learn judo I like the idea just because it makes it less like wrestling with a gi and more like it’s own thing where you get to throw people lol 😂

[@rickfinsta2951]

My tokui waza in kenka yotsu was a hybrid deashi/kosoto lifting the leg to my other hand, grabbing at the knee, and then steamrolling them. I miss it!

[@donaldduke2233]

Just a further watering down of Kano JuJitsu. The sissified version of competition Judo is a joke compared to what Judo used to be.

[@lancegoulet8100]

The thing I've noticed that is different is that techniques stop now that would have continued before. People try a ko uchi gari or ko uch gake and end on the ground. When leg grabs were allowed, action would continue and you could follow a ko uchi or even a drop seoinage (if the opponent steps out of it) with a leg grab.

[@SpodyOdy]

I get why no low shots from low stance because of kicks etc for self defense/fighting. But no reason cant safely use the high double leg, knee taps, etc from close range where you are already touching. 🤷🤔🧐

[@BruceInterests]

My favorite throw was Te-Guruma when I was a young green/ brown belt. So, I agree that Judo lost some very dynamic, and useful techniques.

[@JJ-tr6rx]

The olympics corrupts everything it touches.

[@Drikkerbadevand]

I just feel like stuff like te guruma could easily be brought back. Also why are we acting like we can't just ban "spamming leg grabs". I mean some of the penalties are already at the ref's discretion anyways, like judging whether something was a false attack or not. So many potential solutions to this: You can't initiate a leg grab before having established proper kumikata.. Only allowing leg grabs as counter or follow up techniques.. Penalizing obvious repeated "spamming" attempts at leg grabs.. Only rewarding at most a wazari from the techniques.. All of these would still allow for them but would value other techniques much more.

[@justincurran9916]

I wish I could find a Judo school that teaches REAL old school Judo, right from the book self defense. Strikes and everything. It's literally MMA before they came up with the word. And I hate not being able to grab a leg. It's basically Greco Roman wrestling from Japan now. Not only that, you won't be hearing squat about BJJ. Real Judo smashes everything else.

[@MrTooEarnestOnline]

I like you guys but I think shots are actually more common than upper body throws. I say this as a brown belt judoka who wrestled. I have a fast shot, but I struggled to incorporate my throws in a no gi environment. I wish I was back in NY so I can train at Oishi again. I grew up there

[@ricatkd]

Where's the T-shirt where Shintaro shouts "BAAANG!"??

[@Kwisatz-Chaderach]

Yep I'd buy. I also like how he says the throw names while attacking like he's in a fighting game.

[@artygunnar]

I think the Leg Grabs would be good for jiu jitsu! Curious to see them

[@Yupppi]

I dig how you brought up the striking. I can't understand the slippery slope fallacy about leg grabs that soon everything other than staring at your opponent is banned. I don't like the bjj style hugging the legs and just falling down all the time or just avoiding any interaction on feet by leg grabbing as an easy way out when you can launch far away to the legs. I much prefer upright judo where both players address gripping and play a lot of strategies on trying to beat the opponents position and grip. Some leg grabs are neat but I'll say it: it just looks ass. And back to the striking point, I've always wondered how people bring up how leg grabs are/would be so useful in a real situation and should be a part of competitive judo, when everyone should have the common sense that the quickest way to address someone hunching over or diving is giving them a huge hammer smash on the neck or kicking their teeth in. Competitive judo is a sport, not a casual self-defense hobby. Amateur and casual judo practiced outside competition has all the techniques all the way from weapons and strikes, anyone is allowed to practice those outside competition if they so please. Nobody complains about lack of bladed weapons in competitive judo. But I want to see competitive judo where there's action and interaction. And I much prefer how leg locks and some other techniques are out as well, prolonging athlete's career and not killing it at its peak, also not driving kids and adults out of the sport when they mess up a joint for life for one bad partner or poorly executed leg throw. Calculated risks are much preferred to high risk high frequency injuries. And if you care so much about that self-defense and "real fight" stuff, learn to run god damn fast. And get a gun (don't get a gun, most countries have greatly restricted owning guns and carrying them for a good reason), both of those will solve your fights much faster and with less damages to yourself than any martial art. And don't mix competitive sport stuff with it (IJF rules are about competitive sport, not self-defense and that stuff). I also think it stands to reason that dojos teach casual and amateur players the philosophy and skills of judo, they have a separate competitive group and even kata group so anyone can find what interests them the most. And for graduating from being a student you actually have to know all that stuff, you do have to know the leg grabs among other non-competitive techniques. To progress in black belts you have to do all the kata as well so you will be taught and learn even the weapon related judo. It's not like IJF is taking away parts of judo from you, you just aren't allowed to use them in international competition (for good reasons many times). And you who tend to write comments complaining about it, I don't know how often you compete internationally, but the international judo players don't seem to mind much. If I want to watch adults fall down all the time voluntarily, I'll watch more soccer.

[@blueoninico474]

Just started Judo how ever I have been doing Bjj for many years. I feel in love with judo. I honestly believe if they started no-gi judo tournaments they can add leg grabs. I think it will be great for the sport. I’m a nobody tho just my opinion.

[@csl9843]

5:52 I mean not necessarily. Even in MMA there are still guys like Gamrot who shoot the low single without getting booted in the face. If you gave good timing and athleticism, a lot of traditional wrestling techniques that people assume won't work if striking is involved can be pulled off.

[@Morjixxo]

Just started BJJ and Judo as an adult. To me it was a mistake to cut part of Judo, and we are starting to see the effect of it: in the moment they hear these limitations, most people just sign for BJJ. They should reintroduce them, the defensive aspect is a point system problem and can and should be solved by penalizing those behaviors, not by limiting the Kodokan. There is room to do it. Judo is spectacular and the mindset and principle are really fascinating, it could be much more than it is.

[@KingMob4313]

I miss so much Uchi to Ko Uchi to ankle pick more than anything, but so much of my (pre 2008) game was all about what happens when my first throwing attack is stopped, which would give me access to the legs.

[@bloodline321]

The IJF has ruined the integrity of Judo by banning leg grabs and allowing penalties (shidos) to influence outcomes, which undermines skill-based competition. Meanwhile, Brazilian jiu-jitsu (BJJ) maintained its rules, adapting to and even defeating wrestlers who once dominated both Judo and BJJ tournaments. Over the years, BJJ practitioners learned to counter wrestling strategies, incorporating Judo throws and leg grabs, becoming a complete martial art for self-defense and competition. While Judo resisted evolution, BJJ embraced it, taking the sport worldwide through open challenges. The IJF’s failure to prioritize Newaza and rigid rule changes have hindered Judo’s global growth, unlike BJJ, which continues to thrive and dominate in mixed martial arts. Judo had the chance to lead, but it lost the fight due to stubbornness.

[@mohamedtabti120]

Shihan "Gigoro kanu" if he find out that they forbid Atemi waza he will be mad ... leg grabs !? he surly will curse.

[@BURGAWMMA]

I believe that the IJF and IOC were terrified of being besieged by thousands of "unemployed" wrestlers who would naturally convert to Judo after wrestling was dropped from the Olympic schedule... they've been trying to make the Olympics more attractive to advertisers for decades and wrestling just wasn't drawing in the viewership for marketable demographics of which their advertisers lusted. Most people don't know that wrestling was only reinstated as a TEMPORARY sport through the next cycle so its likely to face the axe yet again. The IJF/IOC knew by getting rid of leg attacks they heavily reduced the chance of judo being dominated by a bunch of Eastern European and Mongolian athletes who don't represent a profitable demographic for marketing processed foods, cheeseburgers, t-shirts and Sodapop🤔

[@zaurislamov1137]

we still use those techniques againg georgian grip in sambo))

[@avivlamech-kalambi519]

I've never practiced or watched judo before, but it seems pretty interesting. I was wondering, what if we increased the number of waza-aris required to score an ippon where a leg grab is worth, say one waza-ari and anything upper body is worth 2 or something like that? Incentivise upper body throws without banning anything lower body.

[@MichaelWalker-wu2pq]

My old Judo coach who was active in the late 70s through 80s told me back in 2005 that the Olympics were both the best thing and the worst thing to happen to Judo. It was great in times past for all the viewers it gave to the sport. It was a bad thing for the fact that it was being turned into what would be "exciting" to see on tv vs what the martial art was teaching at it's core. BJJ wants to be an Olympic sport. They should be careful what they wish for.

[@mr.purple250]

Bjj will never be an Olympic sport

[@PaVVroo]

I never understood why they just didnt change the rules so whenever you grab a leg during throw you get Waza-ari instead of Ippon

[@jacobstromburg5803]

Are leg grabs still taught in Judo? I want to take it for self defense but I want the leg grabs too.

[@treeman5263]

I think is would be cool to have both in separate tournaments

[@NickKano11]

The best solution would have been to only allow one hand below the belt. That way we’d still have big pick ups like Kata Guruma and Te Guruma, while it would still be reasonably upright and remove the mindless spamming we saw in 2008.

[@andresgreene4913]

Leg grabs don't only happen from a wrestling stance.

[@lancegoulet8100]

Aren't some leg grab techniques still taught as part of the gokyu and shimisho no waza? When someone is demonstrating techniques for a grading, is kata guruma done without grabbing the leg? How about sukui nage? Morote gari? Te guruma? Aren't those necessary to know to be graded to black belt? They can't be done in competition - or need to be modified for competition - but don't you still have to learn them? Interesting you say only a small portion judoka in most clubs go to competitions. In my club, everyone - even the people who started as adults - were expected to compete. And most people at most clubs I knew about went to competitions. That was the reason for practicing.

[@MbisonBalrog]

Can do one about gripping rules?

[@izzygarcialionibabaloipici6293]

Hi coach can you go over sukui nage, I catch it mostly in a scramble because people make mistakes. How do I set it up on the feet?

[@j3susj1had]

I think if leg grabs were to come to back, they should be scored less than a wazari, or maybe even no score, idk. They would just be considered moves to transition to newaza. Instead of banning moves, just de-incentivize them.

[@ZhongXina515]

Ok can someone please answer a question I have. Were these techniques like leglocks, and leg grab takedowns banned from competition or removed from the judo curriculum completely?

[@lak1n294]

just competition not completely

[@ZhongXina515]

@@lak1n294 Thanks 🙏

[@veteransowhat5669]

Is the Kodokan bringing back leg grabs, is it true, will this put pressure on IJF to bring those lost Waza's back....?

[@joss1578]

I hate when they make a martial art less effective for the sake of television😢 So many more martial artists train martial arts because they want to be good at fighting, then that fact that it looks good on TV.

[@BeepBoop2221]

Is there a good source I can use to learn judo throws and keep the leg stuff?

[@mpopoy9264]

They will come back soon 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉

[@grant2410]

Allow legs grabs but no ippon, maybe wazari from it but allow people to take the fight to the ground if you are facing an oppent that you struggle with

[@IncredibleMD]

It's crazy how much of judo is banned in Olympic Judo.

[@Robytsu]

What was the reason for banning leg grabbs?

[@tommyabrahamsson5355]

Why did they take away leg takedown? Because of injuries or what? Thanks

[@GrinningNimbus]

As much as I don't like that judo got neutered, I can appreciate the lack of leg grabs it does teach better habits for fighting. Learn to sprawl and learn some muay thai and it's op. You can put the fight where you want it. They're a striker close distance and throw them, they're a wrestler or bjj and you think their ground game is better keep your distance and if they close punish with elbows and knees. It's abusive. Muay thai clinching isn't as good as judo but it's still improved my judo. I use the punching, parrying, footwork, and closing distance techniques to get better grips most of the time even if I get out judoed later.

[@Hewrin88]

where can I get this "pocket sand"?

[@arthuranxolabehere2345]

LEG GRAB IS BAAAAAAAAAAACK

[@ralfhtg1056]

Still I think leg grabs should be allowed, especially for Kata Guruma. Another thing that always confuses me about Judo: why do you Judo people rely so heavily on grabbing the Gi? What potential attacker is wearing a Gi in everyday life? So for the sake of realism, I would bring back grabbing the leg, but ban grabbing the Gi and allow No-Gi-techniques only.

[@Mr7799988]

Дзю-до это спортивная борьба, причём здесь улица?

[@batissta44]

The IJF banned leg grabs because the Olympics thought it looked to much like freestyle wrestling so the IJF was scarred that one day the IOC wouldn't put Judo in future Olympics. It doesn't make any sense because judo is jacket wrestling and changing the rules to make it look less like wrestling doesn't make any practical sense to me. Now Olympic Judo looks like Greco-Roman wrestling, with a jacket.

[@chuckfinley3152]

“The ultimate martial art: pocket sand” lol

[@PaulFarley-z1o]

I love this channel, the man obviously is well educated in the art and sport. However, the IJF seems to me it spat it's dummy on leg grabs due to Russians and eastern block countries beating Japanese fighters with "leg grabbing" techniques. Nothing more nothing less. I wouldn't say Russian or eastern block fighters were dominating japanese judokas but it definitely ruffled feathers

[@RReppond921]

The president of the IJF is a Romanian who ran casinos and is also very close with a certain Russian politician.

[@dhimankalita1690]

That is a myth . Neithe the Russians or eastern European were dominating judo at that period. This myth mostly propogated by those europe supremacist who likes to think they are some superhuman race who were invincible and ruling judo. Lmao

[@haffoc]

judo is diminished b/c you cant grab the legs.

[@zartic4life]

It's great they banned it in competition. It's horrible they banned teaching it in class. As if students are too dumb to NOT use moves they know in competition.

[@markogregorin9423]

What are we talking about. Judo was simple, you have to throw the opponent, throw him... and that's it. Regardless of technique, leg grips or not. The important parameters were: amplitude, control and falling with the whole back on the tatami. Everything else was not a throw, and you get penalties for avoiding fight or positive Judo, with fake attacks. But no, let destroy whole art... Today, Judokas do not know how to defend leg attacks. Would today's multiple champions even be champions under the old rules? Today, there is this height advantage, if someone is taller than me, they have an advantage, but with the old rules and a disadvantage... (because their legs are more exposed to the attacks of a shorter opponent).Sorry for the language, it's not my native language. Good job with the techniques and videos. Thank you.

[@bradvarsava5075]

It lost my membership lol

[@dankinel3263]

are also leg-submission coming back?

[@brenobuinbarbosa7158]

These technics (leg-submission) were banned from judo by Jigoro Kano himself, so it's almost impossible they be accepted in judo

[@dankinel3263]

@brenobuinbarbosa7158 why woud he ban them, he banned atemi, I know that they were banned form the ijf

[@brenobuinbarbosa7158]

@@dankinel3263 because a guy named Tanabe broken his student's leg in front of him, during a competition in the Japanese policy academy. Because of that, Kano thought this tecnics were to dangerous to be in judo. I think that probably Tanabe made a leg lock, but Kano just generalized and banned all the leg submissions.

[@brenobuinbarbosa7158]

@@dankinel3263 Atemi was never banned from judo by anyone. Kano just put it out randori, but they exist in Kata. Kano tried to create a complete martial system, that could be practiced without compromise practitioner's health. So he cut off randori (fight simulations) everything he thought was too dangerous, especially Atemi techniques. But, as I said, he intended to create a complete martial art, so he put Atemi in judo inside the Kata. U can find that information in the book "Kodokan judo", written by Jigoro kano himself.

[@brenobuinbarbosa7158]

Of course it's not an awesome Atemi hahahaha but it exists

[@Aldotronix]

they should make that leg grabs could only score a waza ari and cannot win with two leg grabs

[@Haolekine888]

Watch an old 101 ippons video. You might be surprised how uncommon leg grab stuff actually was.

[@glennhynes5263]

Why does judo have to be upright? If the big throws are not good on a bent over opponent, maybe it is the "big throws" that are the problem. They fail to work when the opp adjusts their posture. Well, use the throws that work against that posture then. Damn ioc/ijf

[@rahulbball9395]

I think low singles can be used in mma. Look at gamrot

[@Zorro_c.s.]

Olympic water down Judo, Turing it into a tiger without teeth & claws. It is great that some Judo schools still teach outlawed moves, for the self defense aspect. Rather than focusing on only the sport aspect. Of course in the street’s your not going to stay low because you’ll get kicked or kneed to the face. All about timing, It’s good to know leg locks especially when going against a Sambo or a Catch wrestler.

[@ibaryabaq9197]

Most leg grab fans forget that with striking, posture would go upright again. Upright posture is street fight posture (maybe with armor, then bend down again; but who drops all their weapons and the other guy did too?)

[@jonharker9028]

I’d like to add that even armoured wrestling is pretty upright - harnischfechten or harness combat as a niche of HEMA (or other historical studies / combat arts) is dominated by grappling, so it’s really easy to see how that goes with or without weapons. The added weight of armour raises a person’s centre of gravity, as well as making it easier to destabilise someone with all that steel on their exterior. Explosive shot attempts that are harder to pull off and low stances that can be snapped down aren’t as smart in that context. Really, just about anywhere you look in these ‘real fight’ contexts encourages different versatile upright stances. But it’s okay to have the ‘games’ of grappling rulesets too. Not everything has to account for everything else!

[@alchemistjeff]

So many techniques are banned in Judo. This is why I stopped