WHAT KILLED METALCORE?

[@ThePunkRockMBA]

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[@necrosiss2170]

I swore I was never in a metal core band until I realized I was in a metal core band .. in 2005. kzbin.info/www/bejne/b5bUlJ6kaN2bi7M

[@dallashousecomedy8955]

it's Weird How right you are about what happened to Metalcore because I go to Metalcore shows all the time and they're all DIY Hardcore shows with Metal bands basically they even play with Trap Artist. love the channel love all your videos if I ever have questions About my favorite type of music Ill just watch one of your videos

[@MegaNancyLover]

The Punk Rock MBA I’m curious, do you like Alesana?

[@gabrielruiz1391]

Is that book extreme ownerships?

[@war_n_gore]

The Punk Rock MBA Have you done a video on Ska punk?

[@RockFeed]

The Guitar Hero / Rock Band era was a special time.

[@cooperplaysguitar]

Rock Feed oh yes, this was where I truly discovered the types of riffs I still love to this day from six by all that remains

[@holesintheground38]

@@cooperplaysguitar he's not totally wrong about The Fall of Troy either, putting FCPREMIX on that game was probably the smartest thing they ever did

[@VCCassidy]

Tom Mullen, who worked at EVR, tells the story about how he got that Fall of Troy song on the game at the last minute.

[@davidvied2507]

Well this is such a sad statement backed up by 331 people that also have no idea what real music is

[@WhyNotMN]

David Vied what?

[@weirdoshit3504]

i can tell you what happened finn, all the metalcore scene kids became soundcloud rappers

[@kenjicejudo5230]

lmao Yeah, based in my own experience.

[@Hugelybased]

Like skrillex or post Malone plus a bunch of other former scene goers. Rap is pretty much the new punk these days. The DIY spirit is strong, all you need is a computer and a microphone. A little bit of talent helps too. Much easier than getting a band together and there’s a real shot at making some real cash too.

[@weirdoshit3504]

@@Hugelybased oh yeah, its definitely not a bad thing.

[@alexanderdavid4271]

Can't blame though music is like fashion every year gonna change, evolution and have something new. In the next couple years it can back to old genre sometimes or maybe another something new again. Just take a look music in 70's 80'' 90' 2000s.. have different vibes. We can't denied it this era now all more about rap or kinda electro music

[@weirdoshit3504]

@@alexanderdavid4271 definitely not putting blame on anything. i grew up on rap and old school r&b before i got into metal and punk and hardcore. so i've always listened to rap and hip hop as well and have seen all the changes within that genre too. i, myself, always wanted to make beats but just stuck with playing in bands. so i get it.

[@TannerPatrick]

First Memphis May Fire EP (2007) is southern metalcore and it’s legit. Well written/catchy songs, heavy breakdowns, and tons of nasty southern riffs that groove super hard. I was a big pop-punk fan throughout the 2000’s, but this was probably the most influential EP for me in opening the door to metalcore (which remains one of my favorite genres to this day)

[@itsjustnate08]

That first EP is still one of my favorites. Really wish they kept that sound. But alas, Rise go to them. I'll always have a soft spot for southern metal.

[@_dmart]

hell yeah...this EP was so fuckin good! idk why I stopped listening to them after that but it seems like they turned into more of a warped tour metalcore band? but I still gotta say Maylene and the Sons of Disaster are at the top of that southern metalcore sound imo.

[@connorkurant5799]

@@_dmart yeah Dallas Taylor left Underoath to lay by the wayside & created the best Southern Metalcore band 😉. IMHO Phinehas was the next until they hit the "Label Defeat." KBL00D Out

[@benjamin.kelley]

Oof Memphis, that southern sound is just fire.

[@auliafebby08]

I too was at first a Pop Punk listener, but once I found Asking Alexandria on my KZbin homepage in 2015 ago, this opened the world to metalcore.

[@maxwellhouse2038]

Linkin Park and Limp Bizkit held my hand and introduced me to Metalcore and Hardcore.

[@waterproof4403]

RIP Chester

[@Matlcore876]

Same here. Came from Korn etc. over Soulfly etc. Then ignite etc. To ShaiHulud etc... So I still really appreciate what brought me to the dance

[@davidnissim589]

Weren't they nu metal though?

[@twitchypaper1391]

@@davidnissim589 yes, but like was said in the video, nu metal brought the heavyness, pop-punk and hardcore brought the lyrical content

[@standardbrah]

yep, and Southtown by POD

[@bdc995]

Architects, while she sleeps, Parkway Drive, Northlane and the entire Djent offspring that came from metalcore with bands like novelists, tesseract are all killing it in the uk, Europe and Australia

[@thommysguitarcorner4687]

Definetly, yes! And the As I lay Dying reunion tour was almost completely sold-oud over here!

[@dwreck]

That is definitely another evolution of the genre.

[@FluffRecordings]

There's a great bunch of Aussie bands doing great things downunder.

[@mefearp]

Yeah, those bands have unique sound, you cannot compare them to any other band. Thats why they stick to the genre.

[@fxlandry]

I really wished he wouldve talk about that genre

[@umbra_ydn]

I personally think Skrillex and the EDM scene killed metalcore. So many of the crew and scene kids I grew up with ended up in that scene. Now the new wave of underground hiphop has taken the reigns.

[@ouddaboks9131]

@Rambo Moore Just because they are mainstream doesn't mean they're posers.

[@umbra_ydn]

@Rambo Moore Huh? If you think metalcore/hardcore is underground, you haven't been in the scene for long. It was THE thing about a decade ago, and the echos of it still paint mainstream culture to this day. And what's wrong with mainstream btw? Music is music, man; just enjoy it.

[@fabianramirez7807]

I could vouch for this. I was huge on emo scremo/ metalcore back in my high school days 2006-2009. I remember one of the last metal bands I listen to was Miss May I. Then around 2009 I got in to EDM started off listening to happy hardcore and hardstyle. The fast BPM reminded me of metal. Then 2011 it was all uphill from there I got into progressive house and started raving. I would say a huge difference from the metalcore scene and EDM scene. Is the EDM scene theres actual girls at these events that you dance with and make out with. Odds are at an EDM event you’re getting some ass or at least a number. That shit can’t be said for a metalcore concert nothing but a sausage fest.

[@MrLanzac]

the posers ended up in the edm scene and killed that too

[@patrickconners]

Fabian Ramirez so you listen to popular music to hook up with chicks. nice.

[@dragonforcefan123]

This was like a documentry of my childhood and teens years. The nostalgia man , great video

[@ThePunkRockMBA]

Thanks man!

[@Exile29]

I felt the exact same way man. Such a weird feeling. Like you love seeing it but it’s a pretty stark reminder that we’re old now. Wait till some of these bands start getting airplay on Classic Rock stations!

[@TheMBBenton]

Same here. Found this while going down memory lane on youtube

[@HoChiMints2007]

"MTV I PLEAD YOU, PLEASE COME BACK TO YOUR ROOTS. PLAY MUSIC" "Security, get this lunatic out of here."

[@slayermill8621]

They're too busy with reality shows and Leftist political moral preening to play music anymore.

[@Bablobiggins]

as a metalhead, I take objection to your claim that if you fell down in the pit at a metal show they would more likely stomp on your head rather than help you up. Having come up in the Florida death metal scene and going to countless shows, that is simply not true. Also, dudes in a metal pit will just push each other around, not do karate chops and kicks in the air and try to hurt people.

[@MichaelKing-qe6uq]

Same for me, it sounded like he switched hardcore & metal up on that point. I've always found the pits very quick to disperse if someone had trouble. Strange how perceptions vary if you have no experience of the other.

[@busski]

metal circle pits are great. i cannot stand hardcore pits.

[@s4ndvich]

Agreed. A third of the pit basically stops to help someone up. Also just look at the last clip. The flailing, yikes... I'd take a moshpit over that any day of the week.

[@GorlWorldGroupiesAnonymous]

Bablo Biggins right!!! I have met so many great friends from being picked up off the ground after being dropped on my head while crowd surfing. Not everyone is a dick because they listen to angry dick music sometimes lol

[@bloveless79]

Boo.

[@HyunAKimGi]

There's a new good wave of metalcore: Polaris, Currents, Our Hollow, Our Home, Crystal Lake, Loathe. (without forgetting the unforgettable Architects, Parkway Drive, While She Sleeps, Wage War, Northlane, Bury Tomorrow...) So yeah thank you Australia and thank you UK haha.

[@flux6829]

Alpha wolf, void of vision, sworn in, diamond construct, the list just goes on and on

[@Eilers54]

InVisions, Time, The Valuator, Kill the Kong, If I Were You, etc. There really are so many awesome newer groups that throw the fuck down

[@Eilers54]

Also, I actually used the cover of Hartsick as a template for my most recent tattoo. Love Our Hollow, Our Home

[@HyunAKimGi]

@@flux6829 If you like Alpha wolf, you should def check the band Dealer and Sleep waker!

[@flux6829]

@@HyunAKimGi already have man both are sick

[@digitaltourbus]

This is such a fun video for me. DTB was started in 2009 and our roots and popularity started with interviewing a lot of metalcore bands, particularly ones that broke up just as fast as they gained their audience. Bands like Texas In July, Attack Attack, The Color Morale, etc. Video suggestion: I think it'd be cool for you to go in-depth on a few of the many scenes mentioned in this video. Particularly the newest wave of bands would br an interesting video for me personally

[@brock-182]

Digital Tour Bus cool to see you here

[@digitaltourbus]

@@brock-182 I love Finn's content. Really great videos! You'll see me in the comments on a few of them. Plus, we both recommend each other's channels in our "featured channel" sections. :)

[@azelquoxioa2485]

talkin to some shit bands , why not talk to as i lay dying, they just got back together,

[@SamBrez]

I would like to see more content touching on the different scenes too. Good shout.

[@bradywright4103]

The southern influenced metalcore is NASCORE

[@drexelmarz7144]

Haha, interesting name

[@connorrussell5025]

underrated comment.

[@slayermill8621]

I love Maylene and He Is Legend. I still listen to those bands all the time.

[@trevor_mounts_music]

praise dale raise hell lmao

[@atvena]

HICKCORE

[@ThePunkRockMBA]

SPOTIFY PLAYLIST: spoti.fi/2GR1Thk

[@EdoardoLongoNA]

Pls, upload the playlist on Deezer as well. Thanks for your vid, i love them!

[@PoorMansBBQReview]

FYI Maylene and the Sons of Disaster is an amazing band if you’re from the South. It’s a Southern thing. If you’re from the South and don’t like Maylene, you’re not from the South.

[@slashismyhommie8182]

Avenged Sevenfold was the first band to ditch metalcore for KROQ music (the radio station in LA that basically every other rock station in the country uses to play new music, so if you hate new rock music you can blame that station).

[@slashismyhommie8182]

Wished you would have mentioned Adamantium, but other than that I agree with your analysis.

[@BeatsAndMeats]

@@slashismyhommie8182 Then Avenged Sevenfold made their most ambitious (and personally my favorite) album in 2016 with The Stage. I mean, a 9 minute lead single? A 15 minute instrumental ending with Neil De Grasse Tyson? Clearly no one gives a shit about radio. And yes, I agree that KROQ was to blame for just about all the crap we suffered through in the mid 2000s.

[@cold.raviolis]

There are so many videos out there saying metalcore is terrible, not hard enough, doesn't deserve to have "metal" in its name and whatever It's really cool to see the opposite of that for once

[@ThePunkRockMBA]

The last thing the world needs is another negative butthole telling you to stop liking something, right??

[@gamerxyouthubecamp9624]

Philine Reck yeah but they same people like 80’s hair metal!!

[@steverambo4692]

Yea but most of the people that make those kinds of videos are greasy metal heads who constantly bring up bands like Asking Alexandria despite them not being relevant or “metalcore” in years

[@iabdgogogo1234letsgo]

@@gamerxyouthubecamp9624 what's wrong with hair metal?

[@kanglongshankz3313]

@@gamerxyouthubecamp9624 Ummm, 80's hair metal is more hated than both metalcore and nu metal.

[@swordguy1243]

That’s crazy man . The scene kid picture you posted there was me .... 🤓 I love metal core although I haven’t listened to it in years

[@Justaguy5678]

As I Lay Dying, Parkway Drive, and August Burns Red are my top 3 favorite straight-ahead metalcore bands. I do have to say though that early Asking Alexandria, BMTH, Blessthefall, etc are quite high up there as well.

[@giorgossermes9644]

indeed mate some bands were playing really good metalcore as you said the top 3 but the others were more like post hardcore xD

[@Y0za]

As I Lay Dying is a reaaaly good metalcore band. Its my favourite band now

[@Sjh1138]

All metalcore did was move to Britain and Australia

[@ThePunkRockMBA]

This is actually a really good way to put it

[@jdl6881]

Sean Hunt sad because modern american hardcore killed it

[@guitarhero38633]

There are so many great bands in todays metalcore that absolutely kill it.

[@claybarlow8096]

Sean Hunt word the scene is big here in Aus every second person you see is rocking a parkway or amity top ❤️

[@aidanristuccia2759]

Because Australia is two decades behind the rest of the world lol. And before anyone gets butthurt, I'm from Australia.

[@johnofarkansas3095]

I came in on the “Big 4” era. But to me it was As I Lay Dying, Killswitch Engage, All That Remains, and Shadows Fall. It took a dip for me when ATR released Overcome and Tim Lambesis got convicted.

[@ThePunkRockMBA]

That was definitely a bummer

[@ThreePictous]

Dude I was gonna comment the same exact thing wtf lol. When Tim went to jail I was like well I guess I have August burns red for now, (then ended up falling back to consuming a ton of Amon amarth) then “My own grave” released recently.

[@michaeldamico8225]

Can't forget about the MetalCore Gods - Unearth

[@majornugzzz5424]

Thank you!! That was my first foray!!

[@RetroHabit82]

The new wave of American heavy metal

[@TheRandomExplorer]

*Attack Attack! Have left the chat*

[@shash_wut]

*Beartooth had joined the chat*

[@awesomeas2]

Beartooth is a mixed bag. It’s pretty much metalcore AC/DC: lyrics about the same few topics, catchy riffs, simple drum parts. But holy shit, can they make some good music

[@shash_wut]

@@awesomeas2 my fav Beartooth album is disgusting, first metal album I heard, ever. So I really love it and I don't find anything better than it or like it except attack attack this means war ofc.

[@shash_wut]

What I really like about disgusting are it's super energetic rifs and fooking clean choruses

[@btonanime]

GamermanRPGKing here’s the thing tho Calab Writes everything in Beartooth he write the songs and instrument, I don’t expect every riff to be amazing as long as it makes me want to move

[@taylorschultz2176]

I love metalcore, im so sad that it isnt the “in” thing anymore :(

[@Dop3tv202]

Never really was, but I know what your talking about

[@noeldillabough]

I'm a geezer and every time "my" music is popular it freaks the hell out of me lol. But you're right when its "in" we get more.

[@basedswede7147]

The fastest growing genre is metal so we might see metal becoming a lil more popular in a few years.

[@loganpriest6029]

Still is, bands like as I lay dying, trivium, killswitch, architects are all wildly popular

[@noeldillabough]

@@loganpriest6029 I love Killswitch Engage but they've sold 4 million copies total of their 7 albums, Billy Eilish sold 2.5 million copies of one album last year. Wildly popular is pushing it

[@MAKZM]

"Metalcore was the perfect next step for a kid who liked [...] nu-metal but wanted something a little bit less corny." Yep, that's me

[@ProductBasement]

Lincoln Park and Korn are definitely not corny (despite Korn's name). Limp Bizkit is corny

[@thewildhealer541]

How are Deftones and Korn "corny"? Bands like AA, BMTH etc. are corny as fuck lol

[@JCaleb]

@@ProductBasement "Lincoln Park" lol

[@AllThingsEntertaining]

I think Nu Metal did a really great job at exposing people who would have never listened to Metal beforehand. Korn, Deftones, Mudvayne, etc. did an excellent job at blending rap-style lyricism with the heaviness of the standard metal sound.

[@AllThingsEntertaining]

@@ProductBasement Linkin Park was never Nu Metal even in their heaviest of records. Maybe hard rock, but definitely not Metal. Meteora and Hybrid Theory were excellent albums, but they're not nu metal records.

[@sentirionll9894]

People getting metalcore confused with screamo is what killed metalcore.

[@ghostzyden]

Agreed ;) Also Metalcore bands switching to Screamo style lol

[@VCCassidy]

The good cop/bad cop, sing verse, scream chorus thing drew heavily from mall-Screamo bands like Saosin and Thrice. Just with heavier guitars and crushing breakdowns. So it’s kind of understandable.

[@kanglongshankz3313]

@@VCCassidy you mean scream verse, sing chorus?

[@DragoonKiller777]

@@ghostzyden because those kids had "screamo" in their veins and not real metalcore, I call those shts emithocore and screamitho, real emo and screamo are far from that fakemo socialmedia scene, there are just few real bands in those genres, fakemos are a plage

[@lil_weasel219]

It did cross over

[@salemcvlt]

Every Time I Die was and still is a group of amazing musicians who can still shred.

[@salemcvlt]

@N0ir i am N0ir honestly, I can still listen to Hot Damn like it was released yesterday.

[@WideTurn00]

I was surprised to not hear him mention them once, they are for sure a staple

[@rybocon413]

Last night in town!!

[@journeydeep2297]

@@WideTurn00 He mentioned them in the subgenres part, under "Southerncore." And ETID rules, they're one of my top-five favorite bands all-time.

[@Mandi_mayhemm]

hell yeah. Honestly, they are a perfect example of how a band can age and mature and still be top fucking quality. Low Teens has become one of my favorite ETID albums. Their entire catalog is fantastic.

[@mattoherron9173]

"Southerncore" was a thing because Southern Rock has a groove. Same reason the best sludge comes from the south

[@bengoodman6112]

Yeah southerncore is the shit, love etid.

[@twitchypaper1391]

Lol most sludge comes from the South doesn't it? And at that, mostly New Orleans. Great scene there.

[@BTBAMRulz]

Its pretty simple, the generation enjoyed those scene bands as teens and then grew up. The subject matter that the majority of those bands talked about was very teenie bopper and isn’t relatable when you get older. I feel like that “scene” is still around, it’s just in form of those sad boy hip hop artists.

[@theblackestvoid]

Sad boy hip hop will outlast metalcore I think because it doesn't have that scene aspect and it's way more commercially acceptable.

[@lloydchristmas6237]

Pretty spot on Dylan - you grow up and don't go to as many shows, don't keep up with bands like you used to, when a whole generation does this and the next gen isn't there to backfill it, becomes a ghost town

[@maynardburger]

I can see that for some, but I honestly couldn't tell you what 5% of the metalcore songs I loved were about in the least. Even ones where I actually learned the lyrics(usually through repetition rather than seeking them out) I didn't actually think about them, and just liked to sing along. This is probably very much my 'metal background' making itself known here, plus I'm a guitarist, so I didn't take lyrics to heart like a lot of the more hardcore fans did. It was never a culture thing to me, just raw musical expression that really appealed to me.

[@raphaelguzman5263]

No, not true. Then explain legacy acts like Metallica and Slayer. Nostalgia plays a big factor sure, but the idea that people "grow up" and do not relate anymore and leave a specific scene in music is not true and does not apply to all. If MCR came back next year they would sell out every arena in the world.

[@christianschwalbach7561]

Raphael Guzman I don’t know man I disagree. Metalcore lyrics had a strong focus on the teenage angst phase that is quite common in peeps lives. At some point it just becomes non relatable. Bands like Metallica and others have a wider appeal in lyrical subjects matter and also sound heavy while not as abrasive. It’s perhaps cliched but people do generally move away from extremely abrasive music as they mature. I know I prefer prog type songs much more now than I did in the past. I appreciate complexity more than I did

[@jaba06]

"I love metalcore." I've never heard anything more relatable

[@greenveilwho]

I'm only 20, so I'm definitely in the 2010s era of metalcore. But my love of metalcore hasn't died off like some of my friends have. I went to Atreyu's In Our Wake Tour in December, more to see Ice Nine Kills and Memphis May Fire but you get what I'm saying. I live for going to shows. It's the only way to properly connect with the music in my opinion. I definitely noticed popularity drop off since I got into metalcore back in 2013. But yea there very much was a boyband aesthetic there. I printed out pictures of bands and taped them to my locker freshman year and was all "Austin Carlisle or die". Big cringe. But I've grown and accepted the genre at it's roots. And I've definitely branched out my music taste as well.

[@mitchellbrubaker2652]

Deborah Redfield went and saw a show during that tour as well. Atreyu is the shit 🤘🤘

[@awesomeas2]

I wish they came to Pittsburgh...INK has some of the best pits

[@EveryTimeI_Cry]

I'm 28, so more of "Headbangers' Ball" era, but I seriously love INK so much. MMF not so much.

[@greenveilwho]

@@EveryTimeI_Cry I'm not that much into MMF anymore myself, but they do put on a really good show.

[@EveryTimeI_Cry]

@@greenveilwho True, still fun and definitely energetic. I just can't get over the meh factor of Matty Mullins 😅

[@scottlame6724]

Metalcore is far far from dead. Huge bands still cranking it out.

[@Masagua]

Devil Wears Prada surprising dropped and absolutely great album in 2022 (Color Decay)

[@alexabplanalp4455]

The scene era of metalcore (thank God) is dead.

[@svmmyb0i220]

I love that there are still people that love metalcore. My tastes have changed since I left school, but metalcore still has a huge place in my heart and it's nice to see people such as yourself share that enthusiasm

[@alexsuperpower1]

Yep same. I still love KsE especially, probably my fav band which will bring out a new album this year. I don't think Metalcore has died, August Burns red, KsE, As I lay dying and many others are still making the sound. However people seem to dislike metalcore more these days. I love all kinds of metal, from thrash, heavy, death, core :)

[@svmmyb0i220]

@@alexsuperpower1 hell yeah my dude, couldn't agree more!

[@ElijahBCool]

August burns red and as i lay dying will always hold a special place in my heart.

[@northernninety7]

Yes straight up.

[@trippybruh1592]

I like to pray to the sound of blast beats too 😂

[@raccoon93]

I agree with August burns red , I feel so happy I got to see them live when I did too

[@nickbergman287]

Both great bands

[@ExaltedMarauder]

Agreed.

[@joshlynch5676]

We were all "posers" at one time.

[@michelleashley606]

I'm so glad this was said haha

[@ThePunkRockMBA]

Exactly

[@MrMmnngghh]

In '95 I was rocking a two tone check fade button down shirt, a pair of bootcut chinos with chocolate brown Duffs on my feet. I thought I was Ad Rock or something, I thought I was the shit. Turned out I was just shit (lols)

[@musicman757tvify]

How can you stand out as your unique self if you don't try a few stances you learned, right?

[@Alsax1985]

Some of us have been into metal and metalcore for a long time and followed the scene.............. some of us aren't posers.

[@NinjaGaming-tm1yl]

Who said anything about 'former' crabcore fans? As far as I'm concerned, it's still 2009!

[@TheSevenkiller]

I'm from Algéria (Africa), 27 yo, and i started Metalcore with As I Lay Dying, Trivium, Avenged Sevenfold, All that Remains and Killswitch Engage, so just before the Scene Era started. But therefore, i really loved Asking Alexandria's first album and that's what got me into the Scene Era which I followed through it's entire lifetime with all that bunch of bands coming out everyday at those times. But after seeing each band starting to make some boring radio rock one after another, i kind of kept stuck in 2010 in my head and only listened to all what's been done before that, except for some bands. That's why if you ask me what does represent Metalcore today, i would say this: Parkway Drive, August Burns Red, and most of all: BREAKDOWN OF SANITY. Those never disappoint. And meanwhile, it's been sometime that i came back to traditional Metal genres that got me into this universe at first: Melodic or Technical Death, Power Metal, Symphonic Black, and some others...

[@NightElveee]

I'm from Kenya as well, your favorite artists are mine to, As I Lay Dying is my favorite band, the Era of chuggy bands even though favorites guys like Wage War are not my type, I remember ABR making a joke in an interview of the soo called metalcore bands nowadays, I'm 25 and I still listen to old records

[@bloodlokks]

I know these Guys personaly. so sad they break up. :( (BoS)

[@TheSevenkiller]

@@bloodlokksYep :/ ... but i keep hoping that they'll come back, it would be such a shame if so much talent got to be wasted...

[@AK01445]

Avenged sevenfold isn't metalcore. They are nu-metal.

[@TheSevenkiller]

@@AK01445 They're more into a kind of heavy metal today, but back in the days with their 2 first albums it was mostly metalcore. Their 2nd album, Waking The Fallen is still my favorite one from them by far.

[@DustinPlatt]

_Djent-io killed the metalcorestar_ _Djent-io killed the metalcorestar_

[@deanjelofrizell3023]

In my mind and in my car- We can't rewind we've gone too far- (Oh .. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh)

[@oysteinfenriz9628]

Dustin Platt djent, eazycore,electro core killed the metalcore

[@Alexander.90]

I would say Trivium and Bullet For My Valentine made me like the Metalcore-sound. I guess it was around 2006-2007. And i still love it to this day. And it's not dead. But what happened is the same that happened to all the 80's hair metal bands, they were too many playing exactly the same things, and people couldn't even tell the difference between the bands anymore because they sounded to similar to each other. There were all these new bands coming out all the time, releasing one album, and then faded away, like it did to hair metal in the end of the 80's/beginning of 90's. The bands that still live on are bands like Parkway Drive, August Burns Red, Architects to name a few.

[@JohnnyExtremer]

Nirvana killed hair metal it's not the same. Nirvana shaped the 90's, record companies fired bands because they didn't sound like Nirvana. It wasn't because there were too many hair metal bands.

[@Alexander.90]

JohnnyExtremer Yes and no. People were ready for something new because of the huge amount of bands copying eachother, and people were tired of it, so when Grunge came along people fled from the hair metal scene. But to say Nirvana all alone was the reason is wrong.

[@JohnnyExtremer]

@@Alexander.90 Any award show was Nirvana vs. Everyone else. Of course there were other grunge bands but Nirvana was the grunge band literally everyone knew about. Your grandma knew who Nirvana was in the 90's, they brought people from other genres like rap and country to listen to rock music, there was no other band at the time that did that. They gutted the hair metal band scene. If you were a teenager or parent in the 90's you knew who Nirvana was.

[@xbl4ck7]

Bring me the horizon is still kicking hard too

[@williammiller7799]

I don't even consider them metalcore. For the most part they were a newer version of 80s thrash metal.

[@megacody1018]

The UK, Europe and Australia are having a shift in metalcore with bands like Northlane, Polaris, Void of Vision among others. Architects are bigger than ever in the scene over here. Asia has brought their fair share of bands as well as America with this newer sound combining clean and rough vocals with electronic tones and sort of a hypebeast style. I've been to a lot of shows in London where these bands play and they are pretty cheap and always sell out and kids are always wearing their merch. I think metalcore might resurface to almost mainstream but something different needs to happen because a lot of these bands do sound similar but they're all extremely talented and you can tell they grew up on like august burns red, parkway drive, asking Alexandria etc. I also think the trap death mumble rap is having a massive effect on bringing new kids into the genre.

[@JAMES-dv5ns]

Amity Affliction, Parkway Drive , and Thy Art is Murder are Australian.. they expanded those genres and are just talented. They don’t fit the scene because they’re clearly just producing good music but I agree w your point

[@Inv1ns1bl]

from what i’ve seen metalcore is still massive in australia.

[@xanderjones6239]

I grew up in "the scene" 2006-2010. I think your 100% correct about why people left. I never was about the drama. I always stuck with bands like atreyu, miss may I, As I Lay Dying etc,. And I think most of the scene revolved around drama, and being sad all the time. The audience outgrew the bands and that's mainly why I moved on.

[@SpicyStrawberryBoy]

Great video man, you were on point with everything! Got into the genre with Asking Alexandria type bands in me teenage years and I defiantly saw the rise and fall of that era. The new radio rock sound that all those bands eventually starting making really put me off and made me explore other genres. It was awesome that you mentioned The Fall of Troy because it was that band that really changed the music i'm into now. I love Prog Rock now (my favorite genre) but I still like those metal core albums that I jammed so much in high school. Although I do believe a handful of those metal core bands have aged well and still put out great material.

[@forarthur777]

How can you not mention bmth when your avatar is the most recent (as of this post) BMTH album, one of the least metalcore albums they have produced. Don't get me wrong I love what they did from sempiternal up until now (except wonderful life)

[@imDURANN]

That's the Spirit avatar xDDDDDD

[@coreyr7560]

Metalcore peaked with Second and Sebring. Beautifully written song. And Would You Still Be There IS a banger for sure

[@rosehernandes5946]

OM&M is a great band. I occasionally listen to what they did after Austin left but I will forever love Austin's screaming. (Though I'm glad he left because he was in pain whenever he would sing)

[@liambarrett2638]

You were doing so good until you mentioned would you still be there

[@67manderson]

If you listen to there new songs you can still get some metalcore. Yes they did some main stream songs but with the new songs I've heard on the up coming album they have definitely gotten back to the harder core sound.

[@rebeltugFPS]

@@MichaelPsyche old om&m is really really good. the lyrics are beautifully written, and shayleys voice was so unique. now? Idk what the fuck they're doing, they lowkey just sound like every other metalcore band and its boring.

[@evilleon4]

Of Mice & Men is one of my favorite bands at the moment. I really want to see them live

[@emobuddha]

Avenged Sevenfold, Bullet For My Valentine, and Atreyu are what made me fall in love with Metalcore

[@eastonclark8468]

Haha i think it was it dies todays first ep that made it for me, atreyu album the crimson maybe, that was a good album.

[@slayermill8621]

These bands became the mainstream gateway for a lot of people. Bullet For My Valentine and A7X managed to ride that middle ground pleasing both traditional and new fans while Atreyu sold out completely after The Crimson.

[@slayermill8621]

@@eastonclark8468 It Dies Today hell yeah. I heard they are actually getting back together.

[@emobuddha]

Justin Miller honestly I didn’t listen to them after Ex’s and Ohs

[@slayermill8621]

@@emobuddha Yep same here. Ex's and Oh's was actually pretty good, but everything after was hot garbage.

[@djcj]

I think your constant input is going to be a big reason why the punk/ metal / hardcore scene is going to be putting out a lot more fresh shit sooner than later

[@korn454]

DJCJallday I totally agree

[@blszoke]

first time hearing of this guy and i'd like to think i'm very active/aware of the genre, so i doubt he'll have any impact. edit: watching this, he's so wrong on so many aspects lol.

[@kage6613]

Balázs Mártai like what?

[@ThePunkRockMBA]

@@blszoke explain

[@braydontitley8529]

Oceans Ate Alaska is the shit

[@perox9695]

yesssssssss, i love their latest album!

[@ApahtieParty]

True Dat!!!

[@kanglongshankz3313]

Braydon Titley Half right, they're shit.

[@stupendous7848]

Lost Isles one of the all time best debut albums

[@AllThingsEntertaining]

They're more of a Deathcore sound though.

[@xxAM93xx]

You should do a whole video on Sumerian-core

[@MAXIMUM646]

Jesus fuck, Sumerian really was a different breed

[@Джонатан-р8д]

"The Discovery" by BOO is still one of the most seemless conceptual albums of our time.

[@xxAM93xx]

The Discovery imo was peak Sumerian, pretty much the reason I ever got into Decrepit Birth, Origin, Death, etc..

[@DragonKnightX12]

@paleblack66 You mean Djent? Periphery too, they were pretty much the main band for Sumerian besides AA, but they got big enough to go labeless. Not discounting BOO, I actually saw and met them last year on the tour Killswitch Engage. They were pretty humble dudes, got to have a drink with them at the bar next the venue.

[@jonathanonfire]

Holy shit Knocked Loose and Code Orange really taking me back to the golden years of metalcore (pre-scene) god damn

[@morganmantis]

i really loved of mice and men, but since restoring force and austin left, it’s not the same, kinda makes me sad. now silent planet is my fave, i freaking love them

[@thanosdestroyer3490]

They are working on a new heavier album tho. I do miss austin alot but i like aaron too.

[@DavidSmith-wt6mh]

Restoring Force is one of my Favorite albums if all Time.

[@ganondorfchampin]

Restoring Force is by far their best album. They also got better again after Austin left.

[@nicholasfoster1104]

Silent planet, erra, monuments, Like Moths to Flames, Invent Animate. Just a short list of great bands out there today

[@longDFellow]

check out dayshell, the old OM&M clean singer went on to make that band.

[@snowfromflame6711]

Thought I’d share my defense of BMTH here. Amo, to fans of metalcore, probably isn’t very appealing, but it’s a very well produced album and doesn’t really fit into any genre. Wonderful Life is still fairly heavy rock whereas Nihilist Blues is more trance-wave. BMTH hasn’t been metalcore since There is a Hell, but their music has always been good within the album-specific niche. I may be biased, because CYB doesn’t work for me (although that might be the lower quality production and not the heaviness) but everything from Suicide Season - That’s The Spirit has been fantastic, and Amo is just different, not any worse.

[@hostofsoulslol]

I think Sempiternal is metalcore, yeah?

[@EthanParker_]

Real nice to see an open minded comment about BMTH 👏

[@t.muller825]

Yeah, I think you have to feel the vibe of the record to like it which depends on your personal taste. I mean, It's totally ok to stop listening to the new record of a band when they change their style that much, doesn't mean they're bad now, just that their vibe doesn't fit yours anymore.

[@wyattearp585]

I really dislike BMTH as an early fan, I felt almost betrayed when sempiternal came out. And I still have the boomer scene mindset of "if I hear you on the radio, you are no longer legit" but it definitely is a good indicator of a band selling out. I wanted to just talk shit on Oli and BMTH but I tried to be civil about it lol.

[@t.muller825]

I think it's really sad when a band limits their creativity because of the fans who want them to stay the way they were. It's even stranger when fans think the band would owe them their entire further creative career bc that is totally not the case. Of course a band should be grateful about the support they get from their fanbase but it's not as if anyone, except the members of the band and the producers, would've any right to choose the kind of art they're gonna do in the future.

[@geoffdb8118]

Crystal Lake, Architects, Currents, Bad Omens say hello

[@claytonjohnson2033]

Architects' Holy Hell was also one of the most critically acclaimed albums of 2018, and deservedly so.

[@stanguitars]

Yes, Crystal Lake is such an outstanding example nowdays

[@andrewhuddleston2273]

Came here to say Architects

[@geoffdb8118]

@@stanguitars their latest single blows my mind ... lost in forever

[@thegoodfoke3606]

none of those bands are nowhere near to be iconic, most of them sound very very, very alike

[@moosejaw9598]

i used to love metalcore so much and there’s very few metalcore bands i still enjoy. miss may i is probably still the one metalcore band i haven’t got tired of. i grown out of most of those “open chug breakdowns” but i appreciate it being part of my childhood

[@sentirionll9894]

Metalcore was the replacement for a lot of the pop punk, emo and skate punk that was popular from the late 80s to the mid 2000s. Metalcore was then replaced by indie pop rock (example: imagine dragons, bastille,foster the people, X ambassadors, twenty one pilots) , and then that was replaced by emo rap (lil uzi vert, post malone, lil peep, juice wrld, Trippie redd, lil tracy, lil xan) , which is currently being replaced by trap metal (ghostemane, kamiyada, zillakami, cameronazi, scarlxrd, pouya, fat nick, tekken+).

[@ThePunkRockMBA]

👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 good analysis!

[@Sv4NNe]

Ghostemane is more like Black Trap Metal

[@sentirionll9894]

@@Sv4NNe he used to be in local doom metal and hardcore punk bands. His sound is a combination of black metal with industrial metal, soundcloud rap, trap, hardcore punk, doom metal and emo.

[@tedt7991]

Trap metal... , wtf mate i clicked the bands you mentioned and wish i didnt hear that shit

[@uber_dude4014]

I unironiclly like the sound of trap metal, i like that use of the more abrasive side of those trap beats thrown in with some ugly instrumental sounds idk its like industrial downset or experimental body count or something

[@horvathbence4582]

ehm....As I lay Dying, Unearth, Killswitch etc. still goin' strong to this day

[@BricksOnDaBeat]

Horváth Bence That’s a completely different type of “Metalcore” than what he’s speaking about in this video though. Although they are both placed in the same genre for some reason, they are very very different in terms of sound. Killswitch, As I lay dying, etc, are like the “real” metalcore bands. while bands like asking Alexandria, BMTH, etc are like the “edgy scene kid at warped tour” metalcore bands. Bands like killswitch and AILD have a pretty big melodic death metal type influence to their sound almost, while these newer metalcore bands have almost none. they are much more generic, full of breakdowns and high pitch pop-like clean vocals.

[@alfiex6667]

Of mice and men are still metalcore

[@cyntdestroyer69xd]

"Alive" or "dead" status of genre depends on how much new bands were created and become popular in past 3-4 years.

[@johnathanwilson1363]

Horváth Bence unearth don’t get enough live

[@Reginaldbust]

@@BricksOnDaBeat real metalcore is the 90s shit and the current revival, as i lay dying is fake metal fake hardcore, to busy plotting to kill spouses not very punk to kill women dude

[@memidrm]

Your channel should be more big. You have so interesting content and knowledge on your videos. I love it. I born in 1998 and my brother was so into punk scene 90's so i basically lived almost all the scene, but itsn't until 2010 I discover metalcore and I fell in love with bands like bring me the horizon. I honestly miss so much that kind of music but i know its hard to get back into society right know, so I believe and I don't judge if my favorite bands changes his sounds because i know is part to grow up.

[@luisracero9683]

Great comment!!

[@andyandybobandy]

I've watched a lot of small channels blow up on youtube, and he is doing everything right. I'll be surprised if the subscriber base doesn't at least double in the next year. We can help by sharing his videos around.

[@ThePunkRockMBA]

Thanks for the support!

[@ann11monster]

I’ve seen so many things saying “metal ore is shit” and only mention Asking Alexandria, Black Veil Brides, and Of Mice And Men (which pisses me off tremendously) so I was ready to get defensive after the first minute of this video but I’m glad I watched all the way through because the metalcore scene right now is so good and there is so much good music coming out and I’m pleased you pointed that out.

[@jacobhines5583]

Asking Alexandrias stand up and scream and the 2nd album were cool of mice and mens debut was the shit too

[@JacksonThornhill]

Jacob Hines so was we stitch these wounds

[@violatorut2003]

Any recommendations for new metalcore stuff? The only bands people recommend are pretty dated like Killswitch, Hatebreed, and Unearth. Great bands but they are so prolific that they still lead the scene, to a degree.

[@liquidmetal93]

Crabcore kid right here! Was introduced into the genre with Attack Attack and Abandon All Ships. The rest was history.

[@ThePunkRockMBA]

Abandon All Ships seemed like they were gonna be big!

[@TheJrockfreak]

Two of my favorite bands, sucks Abandon All Ships didnt do more

[@mankbud]

I'm from Indonesia but I grew up with the early 2000 metalcore band such as Killswitch engage, lamb of god, chimaira, god forbid, as i lay dying, unearth, shadows fall, etc.. Those bands made me like heavy music more.. Sad to know that few of them was disbanded..

[@helmypatria8170]

Truth

[@theparadisesnare]

It's ok man, such is the way things go. Just keep on rockin

[@cerebralwolf666]

Good for you buddy but LOG has never been called metalcore or even sounds it. So...

[@xhooliganx7297]

Jeez dude does it really matter that he called LOG metalcore? It's cool to educate people on bands/sub genres but theres no need to come off like a dick.

[@Mavvyd96]

I agree with you for the most part but LoG isn’t metalcore. They’re thrash and groove metal for the most part.

[@robertperkins1334]

I really appreciate this video, it’s nice to hear someone who appreciates the mark this music made on the industry. Everyone’s got their phase/genre of music and it’s nice to hear it talked about and appreciated. Nice vid man, the nostalgia is real

[@nicholascarpenter1829]

Thank you Trivium for introducing me to them. I’ll say Parkway Drive and Trivium are my favs.

[@ZeLogicnator5k]

This is my new favorite channel, really channeling the nostalgia for me! I love the idea of doing vids on scene's by region. That show with Converge, Dillinger, Shai, and one of my favorite bands of all time NORAAAA. That must have been an amazing show. Shout out to Luti-Kriss and Training for Utopia!!

[@WeekdayJones]

Attack Attaaack, Where You Atttt!?!?

[@iabdgogogo1234letsgo]

They're called Beartooth now.

[@harrisonsnellgrove8843]

Brendan McCracken much better as well

[@FreshSqueezedLightning]

YAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[@boredtodeath1133]

crabcore tho>>>

[@MximumOvrdrv]

Nothing wrong with Dio, man. He was one of the best.

[@justinian1999]

I mean, he did invent the devil horns after all

[@jayzonedc6474]

Kono Dio da!

[@darylliguid5603]

Dio started it all alright

[@TheVoltConjurer]

Thats what im sayin

[@SerunaXI]

@@justinian1999 Dio was a forefather of Metal.

[@holistichealthwithcolleenk4416]

I’m a bit of a hardcore/metalcore aficionado myself, having been very heavily involved in the hardcore scene during the “golden age” as described in the vid (which is super ironic because I was just talking to my current band about the “golden age” & stumbled on this channel while looking for good videos to support my point.) First off I want to say: hell yeah to @The Punk Rock MBA for having such AWESOME & accurate videos describing the heyday of hardcore & heavy music in general, everything I love & lived my life around at the time (and still do) I talk about this time period all the time, & I love yuor videos covering it especially since MySpace lost everything from then & they were the main platform for posting songs & finding shows at the time. Years of memories, all the BEST years, simply deleted. So now I have no “portfolio” to show my new band what I’m talking about, so these are seriously great. Bravo 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 Now to try not to go too deep into the topic (especially because I’m posting from not my own profile lol) all I want to say is, I’d love to see a video about where metalcore & progressive metal has led to today; as in modern djent (after the burial, born of Osiris, within the ruins[kinda]) & also what I’ve heard referred to as “neo classical metal” like Vitalism(AWESOME) & other instrumentalists like Modern Day Babylon, Divinex, Berried Alive, etc. AND (separating this because it’s sooo important) The rise of 7 string & 8 string guitar music & 5 string bass, like every single band I just mentioned uses & also bands like Vildhjarta & of course, the originals(kinda), Meshuggah. As a person who did nothing but music, was going to go to college for it (business & recording) & already taken a few classes in both those, music theory, & stage production/set up already; but then was convinced to “get a real job” instead (WORST decision I ever made) so was out of it for awhile (during the time you reference metalcore “dying”) then now coming back to every band that’s still heavy now being much heavier & using extended scales, just like you said it kind of died when bands went light, the ones that survived & are still doing great to this day all went much heavier. (Like when suicide silence went from a sorta-popular grind band to being a SUPER heavy downtuned metal-ass band) I would seriously love to see a video highlighting all that I just mentioned. Where it is & where it’s set to go because like you said it’s like a reset has been hit, & we’re back to an exciting time. I feel like I’m living it all over again lol but yeah love your content, please make that vid though!!!

[@jamesrubio9816]

Totally agree about Metalcore having the potential to rise again. I live in Ocala, and I remember Wage War (at the time Empires) circa 2013 playing local shows at churches and stuff already pulling good crowds and thought to myself "Damn these guys are going to blow up". They did, and even though their 2nd album has that more mass audience appeal, still manages to stay metal. They just played a show a couple weeks back at a dingy bar that has nostalgia within the scene and oversold the show haha. What's really cool is that the vibe there was awesome, my band was lucky enough to be on the bill, and there was love from the crowd and the 2 major acts towards us the openers that never seems to happen at shows anymore.

[@michaelrud4351]

Metalcore... Metalcore never dies, it's just takes a break

[@ThePunkRockMBA]

* vault door opens *

[@Rawnfella]

Australia's band Polaris is making a huge comeback for metalcore. Definitely check them out... they're blowing the fuck up.

[@mitchellfranklin5364]

Michael Rud 🙏🏻

[@AlbanianGoose]

Cane hill

[@TalesGrimm]

Down...a breakdown.

[@Samukuai]

"And of course: Europe." Me: "IT'S THE FIINAALLL COOUUNTDOOWWNN!!"

[@lex6597]

Finn! I just downloaded Spotify for the first time so that I can listen to your playlists. Thank you thank you for these quick but thoughtful history lessons on the genres of music that I’ve fallen in love with! I’m delighted that I only recognized two songs from this one; so much “new” stuff to go listen to!!

[@kevinharris9535]

Love that ADTR is in your top 5

[@waltermatthewberg]

As I Lay Dying is probably my favorite band of all time. Sick riffs, heavy vocals, clean vocals that don't sound like the dude is about to cry. I want a new album.

[@donjuandinero]

Right, man?! I am somewhat worried about the next album (if they release it) and the vocals that it may contain.

[@docholliday9741]

Agreed. But the dude went off and tried to hire an undercover cop as a hit man to off his wife so it put a real damper on the band. Especially considering he wrote all the music for the first album and probably the second. I’m eagerly awaiting Athiest/Shredded Tim to come out with some new music. Austrian Death Machine was the shit by the way

[@brianmesser4220]

What did you think of My Own Grave? I thought that it was pretty solid and reminded me of the Ocean Between Us days.

[@Sage2d6]

@@brianmesser4220 That song was very well written and deeply emotional to me. Especially being a Combat Vet.

[@stenvaine]

Lucky for you and me, Tim is now out of the prison and they are working on some new music.

[@martindevries6154]

I learned several new terms via this video, but Red State Rock takes the cake.

[@calebmckinney3605]

I just wanted to thank you for this video. I actually was able to use this video for my paper in my history of rock class.

[@xjoshx91]

i got into metal core in the mid 2000’s with bands like under oath and the devil wears prada. great memories, super fun shows

[@joshwrb]

Where has this channel been my whole life. You are seriously the best dude.

[@ThePunkRockMBA]

Thanks man!

[@patrickgibsonmusic]

I've found that the scene era bands of metalcore have matured with their audiences into making more polished up rock, as you mentioned with BMTH, AA, OMAM, but it kind of gets annoying when 13 year old edge lords on the internet tell you to stop listening to "Sell out the Horizon" and listen to "real BMTH COUNT YOUR BLESSINGS UGH I'M SO EDGY" THAT definitely helped kill metalcore and send it back to level 1 like you said

[@ThePunkRockMBA]

Those kids make me want to fall on a sword 😫

[@mtlheadbrandon]

It's funnier when they say that after they've just discovered those bands and the people they are probably saying it to may have started listening to said band when those early albums came out.

[@DrBeauHightower]

I also love a day to remember. I'm wonderful if you consider avenged sevenfold and bullet for my Valentine as metalcore bands

[@ericlecours4208]

Surprised he didn’t mention avenged sevenfold sevenfold, waking the fallen is definitive metalcore IMO as I remember it in my formative years.

[@djentleman_alt]

@@ericlecours4208 yeah but I can also see why he didn’t mention them because they’ve done so much that it’s almost impossible to put a specific label over them

[@SAZABI009]

I have waited my whole life for this video

[@mbchannel1037]

2 facts that killed Metalcore. I) *Rap music* . - Most people listening to Rap music these days. - A lot people wanna be a soundcloud rapper, bcus it's easy. Rap whatever u want, as long u have a dope beat and autotune. Then, upload it to soundcloud and spotify equal money. It doesn't take a lot of process. - If u're a rapper and making music concert tour is easy. Just "LIP SYNC". II) *Most metalcore bands had change their music style and band struggle* . - Just like BFMV and BMTH, they turned their music into pop rock, electronic rock. - Work in band takes a lot of times. Bcus, u need record everything and arrange the tracks. Takes time to make a good lyric and good guitar solo. Sometimes certain band members hardly to manage.

[@ThePunkRockMBA]

Agreed on both!

[@DukeoftheAges]

I wouldn't say rap music killed it, it was already big before metalcore even came into the mainstream. I will say the growth of death metal, power metal, black metal and so on for sure took a large chunk of the audience as they wanted similar but different at the same time and went towards those. Especially as those people got older, since so much of the core music is teen angst.

[@lariatpersonified52]

On the topic of Southern metalcore: I'm a dude who grew up in a Southern hardcore DIY scene, but our scene was full of metalcore bands as well. I think that a big part of what caused that style of Southern metalcore, at least from what I've seen locally, is that you would have these dudes who were really into Lynyrd Skynyrd, Pantera, and old country like Hank Williams and Johnny Cash, and then they'd want to make heavier music. For instance, though Norma Jean is from Georgia, they kind of migrated to my local area, and a dude from our local scene, who fits exactly what I just described, recently joined NJ on guitar. Around the time that most of the people I knew started getting into bands('09-'10), we were all listening to Misfits, Pantera, A Day to Remember, Norma Jean, Killswitch Engage, and local favorites Bloodworm and Handshake Murders, and we were all looking at ways to combine that with our upbringing of old Hank Williams gospel songs.

[@johnnycaution1769]

Metalcore will always be my favorite genre in any scene. Thanks to bands like A Day To Remember, Of Mice & Men, Earlier Escape The Fate, Earlier Falling In Reverse, and my all time number 1 band, Motionless In White. Metalcore will always be the best

[@dark___passenger7446]

MIW so good theyre my fav metalcore group by far

[@chrisryan2107]

lol are you for real?

[@johnnycaution1769]

@@chrisryan2107 I am. Everyone has their own personal taste

[@HoldenSXE]

Escape the fate is more post hardcore right? I never saw them as metalcore

[@Bangk0kdanger0us]

@@HoldenSXE Post Hardcore and Metalcore started blurring lines. Like MIWs creatures sounds like some shit from Poison the Well but alot of the Post Hardcore scene loved that shit, so it's really hard to tell right around 2008-2013, Metalcores sound started change as well*boybands with breakdowns*, I mean Of Mice and Men sounds absolutely nothing like Turmoil or Converge but it didn't matter because it was still lumped into that category. So Metalcore kinda became a broad term, kinda like Emo people will say MCR is emo but yet they sound nothing like Heroin or Sunnyday Realistate.

[@duboiskenty6074]

And now there is also the "Djent"-Metalcore wave with band like Architects, Northlane, Novelist, Currents, Erra...

[@DaDinkler]

That's been happening for quite a while...

[@bestieswithtesties546]

Exactly. The metalcore scene didn't die at all, it just changed. The original big names like Asking Alexandria, BMTH, etc. left the metalcore scene and the old metalcore sound has been replaced by the Djent metalcore bands. Bands like architects and Erra are still selling out massive shows and are extremely popular. They're not nearly as mainstream but that's probably more to do with the fact that the music scene in all of society has been changing, not because metal bands are less popular now. It was a lot easier to get on the billboards 4 years ago than it is today. Metalcore is alive and well, the sound has just changed from oldschool BMTH/OF&M to Djent metalcore. And they're not as mainstream because every single year that goes by the number of bands and types of music etc. grows exponentially all across the world so the only type of music that makes it mainstream is what appeals to the masses. Metalcore didn't die at all. It simply changed, and the world changed. But metalcore is very much alive and well.

[@kage6613]

bestieswithtesties djentcore has been dead for like 4 years dude. Now all those bands play ethereal post-djentcore, or nü-sludgewave.

[@texmex321]

kakashi66132 wth is nü sludgewave sounds too knarly

[@Adscylar]

Dubois Kenty that is not Djent Metalcore. Its called Progressive Metalcore. Crystal Lake is one of the band that bring Prog Metalcore into the next level.

[@Mylocksflop]

I’m only 21 but I would always stay up and watch headbangers ball. It got me into suicide silence, adtr, bullet for my valentine. Viva la bam also got me into HIM which I still love to this day. Guitar hero got me into slipknot. I love me some post hardcore though. I’ll I’ll be honest though, I miss the scene kid years hahaha I wasn’t one necessarily but I miss that time you know.

[@jeffw577]

New favorite channel!! I was in highschool from 03 to 07. "My myspace years" the absolute high point for the music scene in my opinion. The Dallas scene was bangin in the old deep elum venues. So much fun. Great video.

[@brodylanetx]

Jeff ward you know of dryline? We used to play shows with them they were a cool band kinda as I lay dying style

[@johanericsson7309]

After this vid, I listened through some of the older metalcore (as someone who comes from more of a mall emo background, the 08-14 era was what got me into the genre). Rly enjoy August Burns Red (probably one of my top 3 in the genre), but couldn't get into the 90s stuff (too rough for my taste). One metalcore band I wish got more attention is Ice Nine Kills, they're absolutely killing it with their past two albums.

[@SnYpXp]

Absolutely love that band.

[@ding1r]

They're one of the most streamed modern Metalcore bands along with FFAK, ABR, I Prevail, etc.

[@metalcorehardcorepost-hard3649]

I always connect "Ice Nine Kills" with "Palisades", because they have a very similar style (which is not a bad thing actually) They are both in my Top 20 best Metalcore bands of all time.

[@parascooter9539]

False. Wage War is keeping Metalcore relevant, and kicking ass while doing so!

[@adamhofman4933]

Para Scooter along with Ice Nine Kills and architects!

[@jamieleeparotat9996]

@@adamhofman4933 I agree

[@occiferfigpucker4840]

Architects and Fit For A King are both better than Wage War.

[@parascooter9539]

To each his own, FFAK isn't bad, just don't bang it out quite as well as WW 🤷

[@Newaza235]

Para Scooter nah it’s just the last remnants of mall metalcore

[@keithsmith6097]

I love the video. This brought me back to skipping school in 2005 to go to shows in tiny clubs. Between the Buried and Me, A Day To Remember, Silverstein, Every Time I Die...oh the memberberries

[@ThePunkRockMBA]

I member

[@TheGreen240]

Classic btbam alaska/colors days.

[@keithsmith6097]

@@TheGreen240 Alaska by BTBAM was my shit.

[@XXzombieslayer666]

Aye I fondly remember first seeing btbam ozzfest 06 & a year later etid for the very first time at a VFW hall of all places lmao.

[@urmumgeh4200]

Silverstein will always hold a special place in my heart. Still listen to their stuff to this day. They’ve retained their sound for the most part and still make pretty good music.

[@lucasmedeiros.]

I also love metalcore. And I consider Architects as the band that is standing and carrying the genre on its back. Obviously, there are other bands doing some good stuff, but the guys from Architects are in another level.

[@SINE382]

Lucas Medeiros yeah I have to agree same with While She Sleeps. Both seem to be holding the torch and keeping the scene alive. Everyone else has sold out or changed genre. Lots of generic hard rock albums coming from metalcore bands

[@light8886]

Architects are doing great but August Burns Red are the kings of the genre now.

[@koffe-]

Architects were pretty much nobodies in the golden age of metalcore. Now metalcore is all about djent, nu-metal, fry screaming, and yell-singing. The In Flames/At The Gates-inspired bands of the 2000s were more interesting.

[@performancetesting1]

I remember the vibe of my local metalcore scene around 2001 as really positive and as a support system for energetic but overwhelmed kids and young adults. There was a genuineness in people at shows, and we cared a lot about coping with societal or personal demons. Soon, however, as more were drawn into the scene, an era of defensiveness built up as witch hunts for "posers" turned a positive environment into a negative hatefest. To complicate matters, many newcomers to the scene began to drive focus hard into narcissism, where girls, particularly, on the scene treated it like a social heirarchy to dominate as though it were tryouts for a cheerleading squad in high school. This intent dragged the very same disgusting elements of the normal world that we wanted to escape into our sanctuary. Soon, as these two phenomena occurred simultaneously, lyrics to songs from my favorite bands began to attack the destruction occurring. Ironically, the lyrical attacks increased paranoia in shows where a wall of gatekeepers would stare bullets into people arriving for shows who the gatekeepers did not recognize or chose to hate in a prejudiced manner for other unknown reasons. The cycle continued until the gatekeepers remaining were, themselves, being the very thing we all originally built the scene to overcome. Uniform clothing style, hair, speech patterns, and even mannerisms among gatekeepers were used to promote their egotistical status, as they bullied anyone choosing not to conform. The entire scene became the very hell we needed to escape. It was the real world on steroids. By comparison, high school politics and societal problems were a fresh walk in the park. This is what killed the scene. Love became fear, and fear became the scene.

[@szaki95]

What a bummer, it's more easy to be a metal guy, for us all kinds of core are posers :D jokes aside, i do go to underground festivals where all kinds of genres (metalcore, grindcore, death, thrash) are represented and so far it looks like as these genres went back to underground the negativity is gone.

[@architectoftroubledsleep7255]

Can you please do an Every Time I Die, Dillinger, Converge or Botch video?

[@zackarymeadows]

Architect of Troubled Sleep no. He doesn’t listen to good bands.

[@Junyca3]

@@zackarymeadows who00a0aa0a suuuuppper edgyyy br000

[@matixx9180]

Shoutout to Knocked Loose for keeping the hardcore vibe going for young adolescents!!!

[@PeteyThePistol77]

Hey man, keep up the great videos!! I got really into the metalcore scene around 2007-2008. Bands like Parkway Drive, August Burns Red, The Acacia Strain, and Misery Signals were my favorite. While I still listen to a lot of those bands, my friends and I found straight edge and hardcore punk to be more appealing due to the problems you mentioned. Bands like Have Heart, Sinking Ships, Comeback Kid, etc. opened up my eyes to a whole new world of music with less drama. Keep up the great work!

[@ThePunkRockMBA]

Thanks for watching!

[@mnemic6969]

The acacia strain is very far from metalcore

[@PeteyThePistol77]

Justin Mondary yeah I know they would be classified more so as Deathcore. I should have specified.

[@spectrum_electrum]

9:42 when you said "At the Gates" with breakdowns I immedeately thought of As Blood Runs Black

[@isaacduplantis1114]

I'm a young boi at 17 years old that has only been listening to Metalcore for about 2 years now and I wish I could have been through the whole Metalcore cycle because its looks like a fun rollercoaster! I also love all types of Metalcore to death, my favorite bands are the ones the dude talked about like Killswitch Engage, As I Lay Dying, All That Remains...etc. My favorite band of all time is Bury Tomorrow, which is a pretty young band, but they have a sound similar to the Killswitch Engage type of Metalcore bands. Metalcore 4 life! 💪

[@Narukami12]

Try Coldrain dude, they early stuff maybe looks like Post-hardcore but in 2013 The revelation album is metalcore, you will love the singer voice it's incredible, even in live concert he can sing perfectly and not like other metalcore band. Example like asking Alexandria, they only good in studio but In live naahh

[@isaacduplantis1114]

@@Narukami12 yeah dude I love that band!

[@valerieharrell9305]

I loved bands like Attack Attack and A Skylit Drive when i was younger as well as BMTH and Asking Alexander. Now im really into Motionless In White.

[@shanemickeydeez5155]

"Asking Alexander" lmao gave me a chuckle.

[@marvemarge9624]

Bullet for my valentine was good too

[@ozzyrinetti1920]

The fact that MIW wasn’t even mentioned is sad they’re just SUPER underrated and idk why they have everything that makes a good metal band

[@operationalbattlestation5477]

Ozzy Rinetti they are also unique and have an actual identity unlike 99 percent of metalcore bands

[@alketvedra3387]

Kse ,early a7x,early bfmv,trivium these are my favorite metalcore bands

[@waterproof4403]

What about As I Lay Dying? You forgot the kings

[@gx1tar1er]

I'm actually impressed how mainstream metalcore was in the 2000's.

[@gx1tar1er]

Because the -core (hardcore) is never mainstream & the -metal part is quite too heavy for mainstream.

[@sXeSkinWalkeRsXe]

Your point about Era 4 is spot on. I would add that Metalcore has matured and is currently at its best. (Not nearly as popular as it was 5-6 years ago but maybe it's for the best!)

[@insome776]

The "Southern" thing was pretty simple: Pantera. Further, COC and Crowbar.

[@JoeFish919]

James McKenna Exactly. All that stuff was just sludge or southern rock with breakdowns. And being from the south I loved it.

[@PropagandaWithASmile]

I don't get the not getting "Southern" thing. It was a pretty cool combo, Newer Poison the Well, Everytime I Die, He is Legend were all amazing.

[@srsucioguapodelsur8845]

I’d say it went a little further than that and on into Skynyrd, Allman Bros, Molly Hatchet, and even (this one might be a stretch but I’d still argue it) Waylon territory with some of these guys, but it was all about a molasses-thick groove and greasy hot chicken-fried licks. Made for some jams that were equally as good in the pit as they were out at the BBQ.

[@dan.r9220]

I was in a southern hardcore band, ironically from Minnesota. There was us and 1 other band, and we loved to party. And that's why I think southern rock got successful. It was hardcore you could drink a beer and grill to.

[@chancepaladin]

@@PropagandaWithASmile poison the well! \m/ \m/

[@joaoldmedeiros]

Great video Finn! Here's two very important words though: WAGE WAR

[@ThePunkRockMBA]

Cant mention every band

[@realtrickscopes]

The Punk Rock MBA I think he meant it as more of a revival of the subgenre than a mentioning. Metalcore is not dead, it is just changing. Metalcore is still going strong on the charts with INK, Architects, ABR, and others. Instead of saying it is dead, I think of it as just like a tree losing its leaves for the winter then blooming in the spring. Sounds are changing and escaping the “emo crabcore” phase. The big metalcore bands from then have turned into hard rock and arena metal (sad to see Parkway Drive go that route). Amity Affliction, Phinehas, Silent Planet, Wage War as mentioned earlier, Fit for a King, and others are using the elements that made metalcore big. They are really great and they are not just scene crabcore bands.

[@fire.5903]

@@realtrickscopes I think that's what The Punk Rock MBA was trying to say. Certain genres/subgenres of metalcore fell off as well as some being revived but in a different light. By no means is metalcore dying (at least in my opinion).

[@ghostzyden]

Just listened to these guys for the first time. Not a fan of their clean vocalist for some reason I never really cared for that style. It didn't really show up until the 2008-2014 era mentioned in the video so I was so used to the older stuff. But Wage War has solid music and a few songs without the cleans so I'll keep an eye on them ;)

[@fire.5903]

@@ghostzyden Yeah, that's why I'm a complete whore for songs like Stitch and The River lmao

[@slayermill8621]

I think your breakdown is pretty spot on. I got into metal through bands like Fear Factory, Pantera, Slayer, and Slipknot. I wasn't finding bands like them that I liked later on so I checked out bands like Bleeding Through, It Dies Today, Hatebreed, Terror, Throwdown, and of course Killswitch. I still listen to all of these bands today, I love the genre. The Asking Alexandria, Bring Me The Horizon stuff I just couldn't get into. Too many bands sound exactly like them. The only newish band (Yes I know they've been around a while now) I like in the genre is Bury Tomorrow.

[@Micah77798]

Idk if this makes me a poser but I really like metalcore now with early While She Sleeps albums being my all time favorite. Two other really good bands that I’m into is Parkway Drive and STYG. I always thought the early bands of metalcore were BMTH and AA, I never knew the even deeper roots underneath those bands and it was very cool to learn about the original roots. Great video man! Truly, thank you for the info!

[@ThePunkRockMBA]

Thanks for watching!

[@ximenasifuentes1062]

While She Sleeps newer album are pretty amazing.

[@Bloodtypewhiskey]

Parkway Drive and STYG came long before BMTH , tbh nobody in the scene considers STYG to be metal at all.

[@adamhofman4933]

I prefer the new stuff, I grew up with 90s metal, Ice Nine Kills and Architects are by far the best around atm!

[@chilliam00]

Wait how old are you? Lol for me my intro to metalcore as a kid was Bullet For My Valentine, Parkway Drive and Trivium. Then my teenagehood was my scene days growing up on all the crabcore/electronicore bands Attack Attack! Asking Alexandria etc.

[@jedi982]

Dude. You put Eucharist in your playlist. You are now one of my favorite people. Seriously though, best video yet Finn. Keep it up!

[@ThePunkRockMBA]

Bloodlet are so fucking underappreciated these days, its sad!

[@jedi982]

@@ThePunkRockMBA truth man! Dudes have had more influence than anyone realizes. They have ALWAYS crushed it.

[@123JimmyTheCookie]

Major props for recognizing Guitar Hero's influence. GH Warriors of Rock had nearly a majority of Metalcore songs and got me into it for sure.