What Leinster 'bottling' the Champions Cup final means for New Zealand rugby | The Breakdown

[@nolan1432]

Massive respect for still calling it Landsdowne road!

[@jimmyobrien8738]

Was it 2006 it last got called Lansdowne road🤔

[@billymack333]

Don’t make waves Gib !!

[@bastienconstans3784]

The WC in France will be one of the best in history for sure ,

[@peterhunter6040]

*The best in history

[@seanirish6173]

Still wont be a better game on it than the heinken cup final

[@jesseferguson4269]

It wont because the draw is a farce.

[@inBODwetrust13]

It won't because the standard of refereeing is abysmal. Cheats like Peyper will decide games

[@garytaylor6408]

Don’t agree with this is Ireland v France ,both teams contribute enormously to their international sides but the coaches ,especially Ireland, are completely different. Just my opinion but hey we’ll find out at the WC. Could be the best one yet.

[@AD-hl7ru]

The couple of players Leinster were missing are available in connacht munster and ulster teams such as Beirne o mahoney Hansen Aki bealham and Henderson these are the caliper of players capable to shunt off the French physicality

[@garytaylor6408]

@@AD-hl7ru great point, well said.

[@gerrykennedy9085]

The pertinent point being different management teams.

[@adriandmangan]

Totally agree, this is not the Ireland team

[@leosex3146]

Agree with you. That La Rochelle side has some amazing specimens who are not French and Ireland have some big game players like Beirne

[@shanehealy9277]

Leinster lost last year and Ireland went and beat the all blacks😮

[@ABC-dw7pe]

And they will go out at the groups

[@lockk132]

True though the Allblacks really were far from consistent and the front row changes will support a vastly improved team this year. 1 of 4 teams will win this cup and either on the day can win

[@atapene]

True! They also beat the ABs and then choked in the quarter so hey......

[@Gangai263]

@@ABC-dw7pe you’re just talking 💩 at this point

[@clemfandango619]

Only in one 15 vs 15 match.

[@vincentmartin-groupeeuris2201]

Although I would agree Leinster looks much like Ireland's national team, I think saying that La Rochelle's style is similar to France's goes a long way. I mean come-on! Ronan O'Gara and Donnacha Ryan are the coaches, Will Skelton, Levani Botia, Tawera Kerr Barlow, etc. These are impactful very non french players!!!

[@LeMerch]

The Irish coach’s aren’t Irish.. so isn’t that the same logic?

[@vincentmartin-groupeeuris2201]

@@LeMerch Maybe, but it is definitely not the same numbers in terms of Irish v French international players. If you'd argue that Toulouse looks more like the french national team, I would agree more. 😃

[@romainviry3185]

France is a mix of La Rochelle and Toulouse

[@Nieljoyceniel]

@@romainviry3185 there are 3 players max from La Rochelle and they aren’t even produced there

[@romainviry3185]

@@Nieljoyceniel no you re missing Bourgarit, Laveau, Thomas, Dublin that are ll part of the French squad, maybe not first XV but still players Galthié is keen to put on a list

[@user-is9of]

Missing some of the best players in the world e.g. sexton, beirne, omahony, Hanson who all bring a lot to ireland and also leinster lost due to a lack of leadership the second the momentum swayed was when we lost james ryan quite early on.

[@mrwelshmun]

This years RWC is going to be Epic! Shame the pools are drawn the way they are

[@mrwelshmun]

@iAgreeToo very true

[@glen1482]

@iagreetoo The draw is not going to help this Welsh team...

[@neilmontgomery3470]

How is losing a game by one point against the reigning Champions of Europe bottling? Whilst Leinster do form the backbone of the Irish team, La Rochelle have relatively few French internationals and are managed by an Irishman Ronan O Gara.

[@regularjohn7123]

Its just a click-bait title designed to attract Irish fans & stir up debate, I wouldnt take it to heart mate (:

[@neilmontgomery3470]

@@regularjohn7123 Thanks mate, maybe I was too sensitive. We have the South Africans in the URC now, so I'm on a constant war footing when it comes to comment boards.

[@LJFN213]

it is clickbait but losing from that lead is bottling it.

[@PyroManSir]

To be fair, losing after building a 17 points lead is kinda unforgivable. But huge credit to La Rochelle for bridging the gap patiently.

[@ABC-dw7pe]

You threw away a huge lead… how is that not bottling it?

[@pgdsfcv5552]

I thought New Zealanders knew rugby extremely well this video proved me wrong.

[@readesiun988]

Too far up their own arses to barley even know the names of NH teams.

[@ABC-dw7pe]

SPOTTED ** salty deluded Irish fan

[@JaemanEdwards]

You just stick to your gaelic football and curling and leave the rugby talk to the big boys.

[@ABC-dw7pe]

@@JaemanEdwards 😂

[@ShiNooBi1986]

​@JaemanEdwards shaddup man. They own us lol Foster out

[@antoneverbright]

I’m French and all I can tell so far is that we are going to have the most fiery and electric atmospheres in the Stadiums ever reached. Atmosphere wise we are going to show the whole world how it’s done and that France is a country that enjoys watching rugby. Sport in itself and performance on the pitch, is another question though. Might be the most competitive edition as of late. I can’t wait.

[@mamoersebaas2654]

As long as the French TV directors is fair than it will be equal ,but I have my doubts

[@antoneverbright]

@@mamoersebaas2654 because surely the irish directors during Toulouse Leinster were fair... give me a break

[@andyham45rpm]

Indeed. Great atmosphere. Can’t wait. Gonna be a belter of a tournament

[@MaryHarry-hh4pq]

Lucky ref 1 point u cheated in ruck

[@benoitcransac2178]

We'll be looking at the world in the eyes. It's just a matter of respect.

[@BobH-eh8wu]

You will be very good come the World Cup don’t worry about that. You have the ability to beat either France or Ireland. Any of these 3 teams can beat each other so it will come down to who plays best on the day! Best of luck in your pool from a Leinster fan!

[@regularjohn7123]

I think you are right there is very little between the top 4 teams and games will be decided by very fine margins..tough loss for Leinster fans on the weekend but still a great team! Cheers from NZ (:

[@jzkramer]

No one mentions the Boks, they will always be in contention with the the other three

[@atapene]

Good for you Bob all the best for your team as well mate

[@Nollaig81]

@@jzkramer Also the Aussie’s. They always turn up at the WC. They will be loving it that nobody is talking about them

[@fawltyoldboybasil.2178]

@@jzkramer No one mentions the Boks??????!!!!!! You're having us on mate.

[@hasterion]

France style is not only La Rochelle. It is also Toulouse

[@realjt6951]

Funny how European club rugby works, because La Rochelle are arguably not as good as Toulouse and would likely lose to them in a playoff match, however Toulouse have been smoked by Leinster and La Rochelle have beaten Leinster in both the last two seasons. Just interesting how teams match up. I wouldn’t look into it much in terms of the World Cup though, Ireland have a different coaching staff to Leinster, La Rochelle have a small handful of French test players but they have a number of test players from other countries who are very good too

[@Desi365]

La Rochelle beat Leinster in the ECC in the last 3 seasons (semi final in 2021)

[@realjt6951]

@@Desi365 apologies my mistake! Yeah my point is they just know how to beat Leinster unlike most

[@JoeStocker]

I actually think it is good for Ireland, gives them a bit of a reality check, plus Ireland have far better replacements than Leinster, Hansen, Henderson,Mcloskey even Bundi Is useful

[@neilmontgomery3470]

I tend to agree, although time will tell. Last year we lost to the same opponents in the final as well. Two month later Ireland won the series in NZ. Andy Farrell is a much better coach than Leo Cullen the Leinster head coach.

[@thewielloyd988]

Likewise when Toulouse went down to Leinster a few weeks back I think France learnt a good lesson for the RWC. Just because Dupont can play at 10 doesn't mean they should put him there. He's far too critical at scrum half. And it was good for Ramos to get a rubbish game out of his system. That said the Toulouse backline isn't France as much as Leinster equals Ireland.

[@clemfandango619]

@@Hometruths29 Lancaster is almost as overrated as shaun Edwards.

[@dazeng4633]

@@clemfandango619 absurd statement. Edwards wins things. Lancaster doesn't

[@harshbutfair8993]

@Joe Absolutely, this notion that Leinster is basically Ireland is wrong, especially when it comes to the bench, though even the starting team is a bit better, as Beirne and Hansen are 2 of our better players, an actual Ireland team in particular however would have had far better replacements. Lowe, Ross and Gibson Park had poor games after a good start and yet were not substituted because basically the replacements were not at the level required. You left out some notable names there by the way, all Munster. A few other names that you left out who would have been in the Irish 23. Beirne, Murray, O'Mahony, Bealham, and Crowley has been playing well lately, so he would have almost certainly substituted for Ross Byrne. Comparing this match to the France Ireland game makes some sort of sense, and the notable difference is every single substitution that day added to the level of the Irish team performance, whereas every substitution took away from the Leinster performance.

[@russellblake9850]

I don't think you'll beat the rush defense with raw speed and fitness, everyone has that now. It is about performing under pressure, how do your star players counter their stars. It is about understanding how to apply the new rules ... rules close down some things, but also open up others. It is about scoring 7 points when you have to ball more often than they do. Possibly (and this is a death knell for the game) scoring long distance penalties. It is about devising tactics that the rush defense exposes ... chip kicks ? long distance hacks (maybe for a 50-22, which I don't like but no one asked me). the new tackle law is going to be a sh*t show.

[@gcinamadonsela6193]

😂Besides 4 of that La Rochelle XV who are France eligible everyone else is at the very least 3rd/4th choice. How can we surmise that that is how France are gonna play come World Cup time, not to mention that Leo Cullen and Andy Farrell are too different types of coaches entirely. I am highly opposed to the statement that is how both nations are gonna play at the WC

[@JasperPietersen]

France rugby is the confusing one lol france is different la Rochelle's and toulouse. it's literally the mixture of most of the players

[@seanfahy606]

I think this could prove to be a very valuable lesson for the world cup for Ireland. Keep the pressure on and take All your opporunities. Numbers and statistics mean nothing on the day. P.s J.sexton is not all he is cracked up to be,as good as he is a world cup is won by a team. Keep your feet on the ground!!!!!!

[@Mark76556]

Sexton is essential for Ireland's hopes. He literally organises and leads the team on the pitch and his kicking isn't bad either. There's a gap between him and Ross byrne

[@seanfahy606]

If he could shut his mouth and get the job done we would be flying but that doesnt seem to be the case . Dont get me wrong i wish them all well for the worldcup but the one thing that has seriously impressed everyone in recent years is the discipline and professionalism of irush rugby and all while remaining humble. Something that has evidently been lacking in leinster recently. This is rugby ,not football, and it is these three characteristics that divide them Thank God. Lets keep it that way

[@georgepenn678]

It is a fair argument to say that Ireland are the same as Leinster - the resemblances are striking as well as the personnel. France take elements of the Larochelle power game, but they take quite a lot from how Toulouse like to attack, as well as a structured chaos that is fairly unique.. I think what you can take away from this is Ireland and Leinster are beatable under pressure (especially without Sexton), whereas from a French perspective there are a few class players who know how play this power game.

[@TheDibule]

Leinster makes up most of Ireland’s roster, but La Rochelle provides only a couple of players for France (Aldritt, Danty, Atonio…) Most key players come from Toulouse (Dupont, Ntamack…) and other local teams (Penaud, Ollivon…)

[@titranex]

There are more than only 3 who come from La Rochelle: Atonio Wardy Bourgarit Danty Hastoy Alldritt

[@FromAgen]

@@titranex However, only Atonio, Aldritt and Danty are in the best starting XV.

[@TheDibule]

@@titranex Yes, hence the « … » Still far from a whole roster though, which was my point.

[@jimmyobrien8738]

​@@TheDibule the Irish are vulnerable at top spot, underdogs is a better position for us, although I think this loss is beneficial so Andy Farrell can take his head out of his ass and go yes work needs to be done we cannot rely on this number 1 world ranking

[@seanirish6173]

And ireland to add hansen beirne sexton o mahony few more are even better

[@dang1810]

Who said the AB's are third favorite??😂

[@camwells9726]

Bookies to date , that gets decided by where people are putting their money

[@jzkramer]

Boks maybe even more than 3rd. I mean if NZ had a different coach and selectors they might still be no.1

[@SAnd-pd1ou]

Irish media

[@atapene]

Bookies

[@JaemanEdwards]

Where I looked, France were favourites ever so slightly over the All Blacks, with a bit of a drop to Ireland at 3rd, and a much bigger drop to the Springboks. Those are good odds on the 'boks' and well worth a punt because, well, they're the 'boks'.

[@inBODwetrust13]

Simple fact is James Ryan was taken out by a deliberate kick to the head after half an hour that Peyper ignored. Before that La Rochelle were being torn apart. At test level that biased cheating from a scumbag referee isn't let slide

[@readesiun988]

Leinster is not the Irish team, La Rochelle is not the French team, but NZ pundits believe they both play the same way, you better hope your coaches are better informed

[@lockk132]

It's more that the key players are

[@JaemanEdwards]

You better hope your coaches are not as cocky as your supporters. Never ends well And unfortunately no, Ian Foster is definitely not well informed.

[@stealthpakfa]

Trust me, Foster is dumber than this panel.

[@TheJunglecrab]

Watching NZ pundits having a panic attack about how to counter France/Ireland is the funniest thing😂. Appropriately followed by a pride promo

[@tomcogavin6750]

😂

[@wanebaaijurgen6699]

I agree. Whats it with the pride promotion? Woke All Blacks.

[@kainoizking]

A “panic attack”? Lmao wtf 3 legendary World Cup winning All Blacks analyse a big game that happened over the weekend and how it relates to NZ come the World Cup is hardly a panic attack dude calm yourself Lmfao

[@Slipperygecko390]

@@kainoizking Just arrogant NH fans who think they're the shit, they've got until November then it'll be whinging about how we always get away with coming in the side and the refs favor us.

[@KiwiGraggle]

Panic, I dont think so, in your Nargle head you think they are. The way to deal with Ireland is Maul them to death and if you noticed this was the area NZ were really quite good at towards the back end of 2022 and what the weapon is going to be, to down the Nargle Irish. I think that is what NZ are building for.

[@stefwessels955]

3rd favorites? Once again underestimate the boks. Some people never learn.

[@camwells9726]

It’s decided by where people are putting their money in the betting

[@stefwessels955]

@@camwells9726 everyone is entitled to their opinion.. Mine is that the springboks are better than the all blacks and have a better chance of winning.

[@regularjohn7123]

You are likewise underestimating the AB's, some people never learn.

[@camwells9726]

@@stefwessels955 that’s fine but you were questioning why they were 3rd favourites , I explained it for you , it’s all do to with the bookies , it’s not opinion based, and has nothing to do with these guys talking

[@stefwessels955]

The all blacks are awesome and my second favorite team after the boks.. Always will be. And I will never underestimate them. Whenever they meet at the world cup it will be seismic. And the better team on the day will win.

[@president6645]

First game of world cup France vs NZ. Favourites to win that game...FRANCE .Home crowd and last beat ABs on the exact same ground. Why are these pundits talking about Ireland as if they are their only threat.

[@decmurray1096]

Rugby is a squad game and that's even more true at a world Cup. Ireland are greater than the sum of their parts. True, it is predominantly Leinster players, but their are some unreal additions to the squad from the other Provinces. Mack Hanson, Bundie Aki, Tadgh Beirne, Peter O Mahoney, Finlay Bealem etc. I think there's a lot of learning from this disappointment too. I think Ireland will be better for it. AB's are going to have to be better too if they're going to have a chance of beating Ireland or France, because on current form we'll see a changing of the guard. AB's and Boks out in the QFs 😱

[@daveseacy5300]

Andy Farrell gets more out of Ireland than Leo Cullen does out of Leinster, different coaching team.

[@ciaranbrk]

Exactly and it's not just Farell it's O'Connell and Mike Catt. leinster play a fast style but Leo Cullen is not Andy Farell who is vastly more experienced having been on lions tour's, assistant coaches at england, the lions Ireland earning him promotion under Schmidt to head coach. Cullen is a decent coach who was given a Ferrari. Farrell is a very good coach and motivator who knows how to drive it and what ways to make it faster an handle corners better in this analogy.

[@CharlCrowie1]

3rd favourites New Zealand??? Honestly probably 4th at this point

[@regularjohn7123]

Most betting agencies have actually installed NZ as 2nd favorites behind France followed by Ireland & then SA

[@camwells9726]

That’s your opinion you are entitled to , but it gets decided by where people are placing their bets , nothing else

[@JaemanEdwards]

​@@camwells9726 there are more factors involved than just that. You sound ignorant.

[@camwells9726]

@@JaemanEdwards that’s the main one based on what they have to pay out if a team wins

[@kainoizking]

@@JaemanEdwards “favourites” refers to the bookies odds based on analytics. So no, there isn’t in this context.

[@redrushun6328]

France plays like Toulouse, not La Rochelle.

[@jimbob2252]

Leinster might have the bulk of the players from Ireland but they dont have Beirne, Hansen, O'Mahony or Aki who seem to have a knack for pulling off massive moments in games that change reaults. Also lets be honest La Rochelle would thump almost every national team bar 3-4

[@inBODwetrust13]

Also let's be honest, Peyper gifted La Rochelle the game

[@mgbdub2007]

Ireland management will learn most from this.

[@neilmontgomery3470]

La Rochelle have relatively few of the French national team in their ranks. Furthermore, unlike most French teams they are managed by a foreigner Ronan O Gara who knows the Irish game intimately. La Rochelle have had the wood over Leinster the last few times but the difference is marginal and could have gone either way in both finals. Both of these teams are class and I am sure they will contest more finals in the future. The one difference is La Rochelle tend to buy in more bespoke imports and the Irish province want to bring native players through their excellent academy system in a way similar to what happens in New Zealand. Both systems have their merits but I think the Leinster system will work well into the future whereas you do wonder how they will replace a physical specimen like Skelton when he moves on. Also O Gara wont stay forever, He wants the Ireland job.

[@briancostello6892]

If Leinster set up for a drop goal in the 77th/ 78th minute. When they were up on LaRochelles line. Instead of trying to break through a massive defensive barrier to score a Try. That they didn’t need. Just a DROP GOAL. They had 3 opportunities for Gibson Park to fling the ball back to Byrne on the 22. I Believe Byrne would have kicked it easily. The Conversation would be a Complete different story. Look up. Drop Goals on KZbin. Many great games won by it.

[@hankscorpion9939]

You are right. I was in the stadium and half the people around me were yelling for them to try to drop goal. Maybe they were confident they could get the try, and maybe that was the right call, if it wasn't for Ala'alatoa's red card. I can't make up my mind

[@jimmyobrien8738]

Jack Crowley Ross Byrne's lower did it🤷

[@conorshanahan511]

There was nothing in it. Great game and a lot better rugby 🏉 than anything coming out of the southern hemisphere.

[@cateym]

Patiently waits for similar video about Munster's win in Capetown.

[@stephenconnaughton5947]

Huge factor you haven't considered. Andy Farrell wasn't coaching, Farrell and his backroom team are the one of the reasons why Ireland are Grand Slam champs and best in the world

[@jimmyobrien8738]

Absolutely also only 12 were starting and no impact bench so there are many variables and the biggest one is Andy Farrell wasn't calling the shots

[@jimmyobrien8738]

Also James Ryan got taken out early further affecting the confidence but ultimately it doesn't matter unless you win a world cup

[@ciaranbrk]

It's not Ireland though. Look Leo Cullen is a decent coach but O'Gara has his numeber. However Andy Farell, Paul O'Connell and Mike Catt are different they let Ireland play free. The real turning point in that game was James Ryan going off with HIA he was monstering Skelton every tackle he was also Leinsters Captain when he went off. I was surprised by the lack of leadership from the leinster players especially when Ross Byrne was screaming to take a drop goal and they ignored him. What I'm trying to say is Ireland has more leadership Sexton will be back for RWC and Ireland will have a Beirne and O'Mahony and Aki to add in. France won't have Skelton to use. Put bluntly Andy Farrell is a much better coach than Leo Cullen and Ireland have shown they can adapt on the pitch where leinster have never had to because they have been dominant all year they have only two games all year by a combo of three points. That's excluding the academy squad they sent against the Bulls.

[@alcoyne3333333333333]

Your spot on about 12/13 player's from Ireland team . But they main two missed are Pete O' mahoney and Aki .. leinster don't have a Pete who is the clue of Ireland 😢

[@MrIanito]

Byrne (Tadgh), POM, Bundee and Hansen plus Farrell & Co. Hopefully Sexto too, makes it a whole new ball game. Glad Kiwis pundits are already getting cocky, perfect. ☘️

[@harshbutfair8993]

The pundit gets a couple of things wrong at the start. Firstly NZ are second favourites, even joint favourites with some bookmakers by the way, not third favourites. And Leinster are not basically Ireland, this match actually highlights that for me, Leinster's bench were quite poor at this level. Others have mentioned the names already, but add the contingent from the other provinces and while the starting team improves, the bench is a whole lot better. I agree with the pundit that it highlights to NZ what to expect from Ireland and France style wise in the WC, here's hoping as an Irish fan that Andy Farrell can add a bit extra, because I'm sure NZ will bring it to the WC.

[@Teesroad]

Leinster and ireland do not even play the same, under andy farrell Ireland play a much braver and aggresive brand of rugby and actually front up against bigger sides. Also only 8 players from leinster actually started against france...

[@DEvilParsnip]

Meeeh yes they kind of do.

[@mthunziphakathi4215]

Hey play the same rugby.

[@dazeng4633]

Crap. They're exactly the same

[@harshbutfair8993]

I'm going to go somewhere in the middle here and more or less agree with the guys saying they play very similar to Ireland. For me the upside of this Leinster defeat it highlights that the extra players from the other provinces were missed and proves for me at least that Ireland > Leinster. So yes, Ireland and Leinster play in almost the same manner, but Ireland are better at it, and Andy Farrell I think is proving a great coach. Also genuine question here as I can't say I know the ins and outs of the French team, but are they clearly better than La Rochelle?

[@RazorMouth]

​@@dazeng4633 You obviously know nothing about Rugby if you think Ireland play like that. Ireland don't even play the crazy rush defence that Leinster played 😂 clueless I'm afraid.

[@christiangerhardt2408]

Watch the URC is ours!

[@fabricevaudron2425]

Robert Mohr, Directeur sportif du Stade Rochelais, répond, ce jour, dans le journal "Sud Ouest" à vos interrogations sur le recrutement et la composition de l'équipe.

[@user-wv4xc1us6u]

These teams are every bit as good as ours… even better. They play more games against differing styles and systems. Our game has become stodgy and predictable. Reflected by our current seeding, I’d like us to do well at the World Cup but we are beatable like anyone else and have been. If the current ABs played the 2015 team they’d be put to the sword imo.

[@JohnHirsch88]

Hate to single out Ringrose but he had an unusually imperfect game in terms of decision making and leadership. Hopefully he's all the better for it come WC

[@unclejezza]

The answer, All Black fans; is Damian Mackenzie.

[@n-tertainmentx-tended4760]

Agreed. He is better than Mounga.

[@LJFN213]

on the bench with weber will be lethal.

[@JaemanEdwards]

But what's the question ?

[@unclejezza]

@@JaemanEdwards to the rush defence of the Northen Hem teams

[@seanirish6173]

Dont forget lads skelton would beat most teams on his own australia really need to pick him

[@michaelvdunne]

Will Skelton played on Saturday.

[@seanryan8016]

The funny/sad thing here is that new Zealand in the past would never have bothered reviewing this game to check for weakness, they are now trying to convince the new zeland public that they are a chance, that would have never happened before. Dont get me wrong they are a big chance but the fact is they now have to make themselves believe it.

[@jimmyobrien8738]

Nz are in a state of cope, that crusaders coach will get them right can't think of his name he will get them back to who they are for sure but with that it will take time and effort and he doesn't take over till after the world cup, so nz this world cup is rite off look to 2027, that is the world cup you will win under your new coach

[@seanryan8016]

@@jimmyobrien8738 I am irish, so not really concerned just think it shows the lack of confidence in NZ as 8 years ago they wouldn't have bothered with that type of analysis. You are correct in your statement though.

[@regularjohn7123]

@@seanryan8016 NZ rugby shows "analyze" NH rugby in order to attract the much larger NH audience..its all about clicks these days mate but you stick to your story

[@commentwell3870]

Maybe this is the year where the "non-favourite" AB side will actually win it without being classified as the favourites. As always, the Boks will be the dark horses though.

[@kainoizking]

I don’t think you’d find a rugby fan on earth that would consider the boks as “dark horses” lol. They’ve got peaking down to a science. They’ve got a genuine formula for winning world cups, their suffocating, bullying style is literally perfect for knockout style rugby. Their gameplan rarely sees them put under sustained pressure.

[@YesBruv66]

These guys are in such a bubble regarding thier rugby. They are gonna get a huge awakening when they play south africa

[@harshbutfair8993]

Are you trying to say Ireland, France or whoever, as it's not totally clear who you are referring to, underestimate or don't respect SA, because that's not the case! But that doesn't suit your narrative I suspect.

[@YesBruv66]

@@harshbutfair8993 talking about the all blacks. They not playing against any adversity in super rugby like the rest of the countries are

[@regularjohn7123]

@@YesBruv66 The SA Super Rugby sides were bang average & couldnt win a meat raffle in an empty pub..Aussies sides have won more SR titles. The Jaguares were a far bigger loss to SR than any of the Saffa sides.

[@brianmurray6287]

Sorry mate Ireland are not leinster there are 3 other provinces who contribute to the national team and different coaches.

[@chewdafat4121]

Munster are in the other final next week ya donuts.Ireland have a massive squad now directed and produced by the all blacks Daddy.Johnny Sexton.😂😂😂😂

[@JaemanEdwards]

That's right Ireland supporter. Be nice and cocky. Just the way we like it. Makes the inevitable fall so satisfying.

[@chewdafat4121]

@@JaemanEdwards don't speak to your daddy like that.

[@chewdafat4121]

@bones jones owns phones how did munster get on mate?🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@johndouglassalgado9616]

What I do agree on is Johnny Sexton plays a pivotal role.

[@pcaseyx]

Got as far as "Leinster are Ireland " and switched it off..... and you should too, anything that starts off with that level of idiocy isn't worth your time.

[@gandigooglegandigoogle7202]

European rugby is on top of the world,

[@Kid_Senekal]

we still allowed to call it Lansdowne Road? 😉

[@readesiun988]

The Aviva is on Lansdowne Road, depends on how its phrased

[@JaemanEdwards]

I miss the Cardiff Arms Park Legendary venue

[@Kid_Senekal]

@@readesiun988 So the actual road it's on is called Landsdowne Road? Ok thanks, learnt something 😀👍

[@Kid_Senekal]

@@JaemanEdwards By all accounts it was an unbelievable place to watch rugby

[@JaemanEdwards]

@@Kid_Senekal I love watching that game in the 70s when the All Blacks played the Barbarians at Cardiff Arms. Such a legendary game with inspiring running rugby. But what really added to it was the amazing atmosphere created by thousands of Welsh fans singing in full voice. Brought a chill down my spine. Legendary era Legendary game Legendary crowd Legendary players Legendary venue. It's on KZbin if you haven't seen it. From a Kiwi

[@Natedawg38]

Oh the vitriol this week against leinster. Quite shocking really. People really hate top sides - there was a point in it sportsfans. Leinster does not = Ireland btw. Look at their 40 man roster, its half. Majority of starting 15 maybe but like someone else pointed out, leinster lost last year with an even worse margin and Ireland won an nz series just a couple months later. Andy farrell will take this game and use it as research.

[@wheelieking3976]

I cannot understand why Leinster did not go for a drop goal?

[@daniedutoit6128]

Leinster are chokers as Ireland in w cup

[@jimmyobrien8738]

Ireland v south Africa

[@tsepangbereng3144]

This guy doesn't even mention the world Champs in the top 3 favorites, in RWC year? Incredible 😂

[@tsepangbereng3144]

Raymond Rhule and Lleyds in the mix eveeen. 🥷🏿

[@tsepangbereng3144]

Disappointed in Milzzy for not chiming in at the clutch here. 😅

[@markshields5883]

Ireland has better coaching and Sexton and a few others make a big difference

[@henryburton6529]

Th ABs don’t have the players to do this to Ireland. Ireland and Leinsters problem is having enormous opposition. Only SA and France have the players to beat Ireland now.

[@jimmyobrien8738]

Maybe France, can you explain how south Africa might have the players?

[@henryburton6529]

@@jimmyobrien8738 size. Thats what you need to beat Ireland. SA have it. France have it. Ireland are still a better team than both but they have the ingredients to win

[@AttackTheGasStation1]

Irish people after the defeat of Leinster : " No, no , no, Leinster and Ireland are two different things, Leinster is NOT Ireland, Ireland is MUCH MUCH STRONGER than Leinster !!"

[@benitolonard4441]

Only an effing moron would think that they are the same thing

[@marlianmansion7982]

Thank god the Anzacs gave me the freedom 2 play.we hav a World cup now

[@georgesweeney4171]

Ronan o gara is one of the only over seas coachs to have learnd his coaching in new Zealand and under Razer and goes on to win back to back European cups. Still New Zealand dont see how good razer is every thing he thouches truns to gold. I know he will be head coach of the all blacks but he should be now. Fosster wont win a world cup this is the closest all the teams have ever been hes not good enough for all black job.. but what doe a paddy know about rugby eny way 😉

[@paulnash5500]

Not the Irish team. That Leinster team was missing world class Tadgh Byrne, Peter O’Mahony, Mac Hanson and Jonny Sexton. All these player can think on their feet and have the dog in them. A drop goal was needed at the end and nobody had the bottle to take it. Losing your captain after 30mins wasn’t ideal either and Tadgh Furlong was carrying an injury. Some bad decisions were made on the day 🥴. The Irish Coaching team is totally different too. It’s not the Irish team so forget the mind games. That LRS team are bigger than the SA team. Monsters in human bodies 😉

[@joliemome8787]

Don't agree with you about the styles as La Rochelle's trainer is Irish : Ronan O'Gara.

[@plutoniumnitrate1201]

third favorites.....really...using the ramking system ahead of the rugby world cup....expect better from someone like JK....the boks were ranked 5th and they won the gold........so being first or even second does not guarantee you the world cup

[@j.p.9423]

I agree. NZ need to develop a strategy and have trust. Both Ireland and France can be beaten

[@jimmyobrien8738]

Craig casey, conor Murray

[@eamonlyons8318]

Only drives more hunger

[@RazorMouth]

Ireland doesnt play like leinster. We dont play a rush defence like that.

[@jimmyobrien8738]

Either way the Irish need a check and the Leinster loss does it

[@babou68ca]

Cette victoire est un nid d informations pour le staff de l equipe de france .on aura la plus belle coupe du monde et les nations de l hémisphère sud seront aussi prêtent .un arbitrage a la hauteur .une belle organisation.on vas ce regaler

[@22grena]

Funny how this show ignores better competitions and teams except when they can poke fun or delight in schadenfreude.

[@hdg0pc70]

La Rochelle are NOT France. They like a lot of European teams are a International team. South Africans, PI's, Aussie's. The difference, is the coach.

[@uChakide]

"It has worked every year in the past" but it hasn't has it? If it had NZ would have 8 RWC wins and not the 3 that they do have.

[@WalterWhite-sm2dr]

Don’t forget Munster in urc final… Irish rugby, French rugby, South African rugby very healthy

[@SAnd-pd1ou]

The presenter is cute❤

[@ABC-dw7pe]

She’s butters

[@inamortz2372]

@@ABC-dw7pe They're clearly talking about Jeff Wilson pal.

[@JaemanEdwards]

She's good here but terrible on sideline commentary

[@pityfool23]

I’m sorry this Ireland is Leinster is wrong for anyone who cares to look. 8 Leinster players played for Ireland when they played France. 8. France had 8 tolouse players. Go figure.

[@seantreacymain]

I could be wrong, but looking at the team sheet again, was it not 8 players? Your point still stands either way, but I do think it was 8.

[@pityfool23]

@@seantreacymain I stand corrected, 8 it was indeed. But yea, 11 in the 23. Vastly over exaggerated argument

[@seantreacymain]

@Michael Harrison *He rightly edited the comment.

[@JaemanEdwards]

That's a clear majority Ryan thus disproving the point you're trying to make. You guys are too easy

[@pityfool23]

@@JaemanEdwards a clear majority is under half? 11 is not half 23, thus providing my point. Don’t skip school kid, it’s important to learn how to do maths at a young age. Crusaders all blacks, sharks SA, tolouse France, Saracen’s England. Big clubs dominant in their countries.

[@janhbhugo5085]

Did you see what Leinster got away with in the mauls !

[@lazykeoh12]

If it was that easy..... Ireland wouldn't have won a test series in NZ. Ffs... hindsight is a great thing.

[@mrakuma190573]

In 'hindsight' Mils made sense at 3:30.😊

[@superwrench9445]

It is close to Ireland maybe but La Rochelle is definitely not France at all, if that’s how blind you guys are you are in for a surprise come the next world cup

[@kenrehill8775]

ireland out at the quarters

[@harshbutfair8993]

Boy, aren't you the original one!

[@jimmyobrien8738]

Averages yes I guess

[@markfitzgerald307]

When Ireland played France in the Six Nations Leinster had 7 starters. Yes Leinster contribute hugely but their bench is not that strong, they are not ‘Ireland’. La Rochelle have South Africans, Australians, Fijians etc, they are ‘France’. Time wasting conversation from The Breakdown.

[@jimmyobrien8738]

The Leinster bench and the Irish bench are not the same or even comparable, Leinster had 12 starting Irish and that was it, then James Ryan left and that seems to snooker them

[@jimmyobrien8738]

It's the Irish impact bench that makes a massive bench, Leinster impact bench can anyone tell me what that does🤔

[@opetaiaseni1955]

Do they think the All blacks can beat France and Ireland by watching the European championship??

[@dubmait]

I disagree that leinster are ireland. Ireland have won dog fights these last 2 years. Leinster beat teams in first half and then game is over. When a team puts it up to them for 75 minutes then leinster struggle wheras ireland have a different menatality. But look we'll see come world cup

[@canadiancontent352]

La Rochelle is not really France. Theyve got at least 7 non french internationals in their 15.

[@jimmyobrien8738]

Will Skelton is a beast no matter what

[@mattyb3780]

It means nothing. We need to focus on our team.

[@themanfromnam8446]

It is such a pity that such a brilliant final will always have a # marked beside it. As it will always be remembered as part of the era where South African teams that took part in the competition, were not allowed to select sides based on merit. Just like all the super rugby finals of yesteryear. It is so sad that our generation will never know or can never be 100% sure that their side has won fair and square.

[@harshbutfair8993]

At first I was thinking what are you talking about? I'm guessing you might mean some sort of political interference in ensuring Non white players are represented to some minimum level, is that what you mean? Anyway regardless, South Africa has competitive teams. I think travel, particularly travel arrangements more than anything else ruined your chances this time around.

[@romainviry3185]

France does not play like La Rochelle, différent animal

[@hamitamaleach5006]

But that's gonna be Irelands down fall just kick over them when they rush up no one at the back easy read

[@graemehuia5964]

Reading far too much into this result. Ireland are different to Leinster, coached differently as well. Don't listen to Jeff.

[@DomhnallOSuileabhainPrin-tm1fw]

Leinster + Munster + Hansen = Ireland

[@marco-dn7kd]

+ a few from Connacht such as Mack Hansen not sure if Ulster is still providing payets to the National side...

[@kevinpillay6103]

France vs SA will be the final. Ireland have been great the last few years but mentally I think they short. NZ have talent as always but in recent years they also seem to lack the mentality. Will Forster play form players in their right positions.

[@patrickchilds2987]

I’m not sure by the draw that Ireland and South Africa can both reach the final as they either meet in the quarterfinals or the semis

[@slabber7514]

Portugal will win the World Cup. You heard it here first

[@ytevysbhtb]

You're very late for an April fool 🤣🤣🤣

[@viliametiko391]

Nah..bro..Uruguay will win this year..

[@jimmyobrien8738]

1 trillion odds😂

[@quinntinoneill6361]

you mean they will win the wooden spoon

[@jksinorbit]

Doesn’t mean a damn thing…

[@BarryHawk]

Byrne bottled it. Drop goal wins that game.

[@jimmyobrien8738]

He could of kicked that penalty out of his range well at least give it a go

[@aaronreid116]

Only for Alalatoa's brain fart, I think he was going for the drop goal after the scrum. Check out Squidges video on it. Very insightful🤷‍♂️

[@commentarytalk1446]

Rugby used to be just chuck an oval ball around and have fun. Now it's politics masquerading as therapy.

[@bikesnippets]

Leinster didn't "bottle" it. La Rochelle beat them. Anyhoo, La Rochelle beat them last year, then Ireland won a series in NZ, beat France, SA, Aus, and England, and Scotland, Wales....etc..etc....etc.... La Rochelle has many French players but not many France players. France, if the pressure motivates rather than suffocates, will win the whole thing.