What Life Inside A Mars Colony Will Really Be Like

[@TheSpaceRaceYT]

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[@typerightseesight]

That is never gunna happen.

[@BrunoDias1234]

I hope the grandchildren of my grandchildren can see that ❤

[@austinyou2757]

US citizens that would be US colony and it’s a US based company starting the colony like The British company that started colonies in North America was the Virginia Company of London. Chartered by King James I in 1606, this company established the first permanent English settlement in North America, like Jamestown, in 1607 was the first settlement of the Virginia Colony, founded in 1607

[@WNYXeb777]

Waste of resources. Rather develops an actual mega sized space station with extra effort on all the required facets including artificial gravity. Park it in orbit around the moon. Then work on developing industrial technology for the lunar surface. Lastly have a propulsion system on it so it could be " conveniently maneuvered say into the asteroid belt or as a station on way to Mars. Until we can effectively Terraform Mars " start developing a atmosphere " or figure out realistic interstellar propulsion colonizing Mars is dumb. Attain most of the raw materials on the moon and build a base that will not only do the job as a living environment but also be a foundation for researching detrimental effects of long duration space travel

[@The-KP]

@@WNYXeb777 This. Luna is four days away. Mars takes at least six months to reach. Both have comparable characteristics: low or no atmospheric pressure, low gravity, no magnetosphere, little water, low temperatures, possibly some minable minerals. The moon has the additional advantage of being much closer to the sun so better solar, and thermal energy powered by high temperatures on the daylight side.

[@srstacy]

"Imagine sending a message to a friend, then waiting hours, sometimes days for a response." Don't have to imagine, that was life before the internet.

[@RSCB]

Fax

[@tbounds4812]

niqqa i didn't have a life before the internet

[@pluto9000]

@@RSCB Snail Mail

[@amehak1922]

That was normal life in the 1980s lol

[@mattronwilliams7327]

Voice-mail

[@DanH-u3f]

A Mars colony would be mostly underground to save energy and protect the inhabitants.

[@thomaskalbfus2005]

On average, the temperature on Mars is about minus 80 degrees F (minus 60 degrees Celsius), the ground will be that temperature. I think building underground would make a great radiation shelter, but the ground temperature will be -80 degrees. The atmosphere is very thin however, I think heat will be conducted away faster by the ground than the thin Martian atmosphere. The atmosphere is an laboratory vacuum after all, in makes a good insulator, if doesn't warm you or cool you very much, the sun will warm you, but that is radiation.

[@jimeditorial]

Unlikely that anyone on this board will live to see Mars colonization

[@Darsh0606]

Digging is hard.

[@ebonaparte3853]

@@thomaskalbfus2005The lava tubes might be at stable temperatures. We can build in those.

[@ebonaparte3853]

@@jimeditorialWe’ll see the beginning of it.

[@UltimateDan1]

“Communications would be difficult… imagine sending a message to a friend and having to wait hours, sometimes days, for a response.” Sounds about normal anyways. Everyone always pretends like they’re busy to respond quickly, anyways.

[@justdadstuff5171]

worst time lag is 48 minutes +the time to digest your message and compose the return message. Any delays on top of that are due to the human factors which, like you rightly state, are absolutely normal. As a matter of fact, the Martians probably have a LOWER effective delay due to the 'Oh it's Mars'-effect that'll probably be in place for at least the first few months.

[@waspsandwich6548]

It's no different than sending emails. Humans used to live like this for hundreds of years. So long as there are other humans with you on Mars (there will be, it's a city), you'll be okay

[@unkatom]

@@waspsandwich6548 Back in the sixties/seventies, long-distance phone calls were costly, so we hand-wrote cards and letters… we even sent “old fashioned” telegrams to remote areas. My art friends and I would draw on cards & letters… that was fun! Email was actually harder than handwriting until every interface had spell-check. (I’ve never really mastered typing TBH)

[@babacalouche]

so true...everyone plays that stupid game of being " over busy" and " too important" and still carry their phone in their hands no matter of what they do.

[@christyl5481]

@@babacaloucheabsolutely agree. When he said that I immediately thought of this silly game humans play.

[@Part_121_Wannabe]

after watching this video I realized that life on Mars will be horrendous

[@oregonsbragia]

More like impossible without resupply which defeats the purpose of building second basket for all of Earth’s “eggs.”

[@ebonaparte3853]

@@oregonsbragiaWe can use the resources already on Mars. ISRU is a thing.

[@j.b.onesnap]

So, before watching this particular video, you thought it was going to be easy peasy?

[@XCX237]

This video is not all knowing. Only best guess

[@code066funkinbird3]

Yeah through generation is still nit easy

[@nicholashylton6857]

_"...settlers will not have all of Earth's luxuries."_ Now THAT is an understatement! They'll be on a planet is always trying to kill them. The harshest place on Earth is a paradise in comparison to any random spot on Mars.

[@konkam744]

Earth is a paradise in comparison, but it *will* spew out burning rock, shake the whole world demolishing buildings and create humongous wind vacuum cleaners above the ocean, which sometimes feels like expanding a bit more towards the shore in a... melodramatic way

[@XCX237]

But earth itself is not going to survive. You wanna try nothing?

[@mirandela777]

@@XCX237 lol, Earth will survive a lot more than the human race and for sure, a lot more than OUR suicidal civilization.

[@glennhubbard5008]

Have you been to Minsk?

[@kctyphoon]

@@nicholashylton6857 yes and no. There are plenty of things on earth that a Mars colony wouldn't have to contend with.

[@cornpowa]

The casual mention of senicide really caught me by surprise.

[@SebastianWellsTL]

I'd advise against the practice. It's a very dark rabbit hole to go down.

[@JeffBilkins]

When playing Surviving Mars I might have build a 'retirement dome' where colonists can spend their non-productive last days, complete with their own service levels and independent life support that definitely works all the time.

[@The-KP]

​@@SebastianWellsTL Remember when Obamacare set up "death panels" to decide who lives and dies, and Trumpcare came along and eliminated them by replacing Obamacare with a thoughtful, reasoned approach to universal healthcare that respected everyone's life? Me neither.

[@elvinshoolbraid84]

Yeah I find it odd he didn’t talk about the possibility of return to earth at all, considering it will definitely be a thing

[@caliopeknows844]

Murder is always wrong and gravely immoral. There is an objective truth. His name is God. Respect all human life from womb to natural death.

[@DataSmithy]

You skipped over a couple of basic assumptions, that we really don't know yet. 1) can humans actually live in Mars gravity without significant side effects. 2) can humans actually carry a viable pregnancy and give birth to healthy humans in Mars gravity. You sort of answer some of these questions towards the end of your video talking about the evolution of the human species on mars. But if we can't even live and propagate on Mars to start with, then an evolution can't happen.

[@pangalactictuber]

There will be a lot more humanoid robots than this video implies. They will get there first, do the site prep, establish life-support and so on.

[@nonmac1621]

Hundred percent agree

[@jimeditorial]

@@pangalactictuber they will be so capable that there will be no need to send humans

[@craigthacker]

@@jimeditorial that's a really good point.

[@amentco8445]

​@@jimeditorialNo lol, this will always be a dumb point. What do you think the point of a COLONY is?? We need to figure out how to expand to other celestial bodies.

[@jimeditorial]

@@amentco8445 Why? Earth's population will peak and decline...no need to colonize Mars. Just send robots

[@UltimateDan1]

I think life on mars will be more like living underground. The surface is too inhospitable with the temperature, weather, and solar radiation.

[@jacobprittie2010]

Radiation can easily be solved with magnets in orbit

[@ebonaparte3853]

@@jacobprittie2010But until we build that space infrastructure, lava tubes are the way to go.

[@code066funkinbird3]

Imagine venus

[@richard--s]

Imagine building a pressurized home under the surface with a handfull of tools that you brought from Earth. Because transporting things in space from Earth is very costly.

[@wingrider1004]

I can't imagine not being able to open my front door and walking outside to enjoy a pretty morning. The environment will require you to suit up. The interior spaces will not be personal, or mentally soothing. You will do what you have to do every day to survive. No non essential hobbies or relaxing splurges. No thanks.

[@chamamemestre]

Those two would definitely boost my morale 06:39 Also, terraforming Mars is just plain science fiction... That's now how it works. Unless you can just jumpstart a planet's core, create tectonic plates action and get a magnetic field started, etc. Its ludicrous.

[@i-love-space390]

I worry about the perchlorate in the Martian soil. And even without the perchlorate, Mars soil has no biome that we take for granted on Earth for agriculture. The Jamestown Colony in Virginia had a 90+ % fatality rate for the first few decades. I fear that the beginning of a Mars colony may be similar. When you consider the precarious nature of survival on Mars, it dwarfs anywhere on Earth, even Antarctica. Antarctica or the top of Everest are a dream of habitability compared to Mars. On Mars, you will always be one malfunction away from death. The radiation problem is extreme as well. The colonists will be pummeled by hard radiation as soon as they leave the environs of Earth within the magnetosphere, and when galactic cosmic rays strike Stainless steel, they create cascades of secondary particle radiation. SpaceX will not have the resources to solve all these problems alone. I think there are going to need to be decades of development of support equipment by NASA and MANY other countries and corporations in order to make a Mars colony possible. I am glad we are going to the Moon first. It has the same radiation problem and is equally difficult to survive on. And if we want a terraformed atmosphere on Mars to persist, we MUST create an artificial magnetic shield for the planet. Otherwise the Solar wind will blow it away, along with any Martian resources that we used to thicken the atmosphere. So if we create a thick atmosphere on Mars, and it is blown away by the Sun, we won't have any more resources to try again. And don't get me started on the stupidity of using rare and valuable survival water to convert to Rocket Fuel and spew into space, never to be recovered.

[@oregonsbragia]

No bacteria, no soil. Most people have zero understanding of what it actually takes to grow a plant.

[@stevepirie8130]

You can wash the perchlorates out of the soil same as you can on Earth. They have thought on how to use the wash off too. No problem is unsurmountable.

[@oregonsbragia]

@@stevepirie8130 typical arrogance of a fool who thinks that any thing is possible if you just want it bad enough.

[@joearceneaux9854]

This makes research into appropriate crops for food & medicine, and livestock important. Animals like rabbits, pigs, quails, tilapia etc. Multi purpose crops and animals will be necessary for survival of a colony.

[@GooDogProductions]

I don't think we will ever get there. The trip to Mars is basically impossible for humans

[@jwarmstrong]

A moon station will tell us how good our technology is - building a safe place away from radiation & space rocks - food & waste , oxygen control & CO2 removal , energy creation & medical treatment since a return home is 3 or more days away - I expect living for years in a blimp, tin can or cave will be quite stress full where everything is wearing out or breaking down -

[@neglectedloves]

Watching this makes one thing clear: protecting our EARTH is simply crucial... Great video and thanks for changing the intro, it's way more grown up 🙌🏻

[@funrsguysandmore]

Can't protect earth forever, it's inevitable.

[@HonorableBeniah-A]

The volcanos are destroying the earth, we should start there.

[@stephannichols2823]

Nothing we can do the oceans will eventually boil.

[@metatechnocrat]

Ah yes the Martian "suicide booths" for the oldsters option, or perhaps a Martian version of "Carousel" when the crystal in their palm turns red.

[@unkatom]

On mars, they can’t hear you scream.

[@AmateurHistorian999]

Or the way they died in Soylent Green.

[@420GratefulHippie]

@@AmateurHistorian999 Well that would be a "closed loop system" as he mentioned wouldn't it?

[@AmateurHistorian999]

@@420GratefulHippie Exactly. A human terrarium.

[@aaoc127]

God. Jenny Agutter. I was about 14 yrs old when I first saw Logan's Run. I fell in love with Jenny!

[@richardandersonmolinabetan1783]

Ice-Home? Bro that's just an igloo on Mars! 🤣

[@ronschlorff7089]

lol, I've always thought the Inuit would make the best Mars colonists!!

[@bhatkat]

They better mix that ice with some of the silt blowing around to give it strength, will likely melt if used for greenhouses.

[@stevenscott2136]

Short answer -- it will suck.

[@AC-vw8uh]

time to move out of earth

[@lvl1_feral_druid]

Not moving from Earth also is going to suck.

[@davidallison5204]

It’s so much easier for us to imagine leaving than cleaning up this place… 🤦‍♀️

[@richard--s]

It will suck way more than the pandemic: You can't go out for a walk. Walks will be strictly limited like outside operations on the ISS. How often are they? Not often. You would not have a fresh steak - there are no animals... You can only live in the landing capsule that brought you there. And you can only return home two years after you arrived there. Congratulations. To grow food you would not have enough space. So you must eat what you brought from Earth. And that is very costly, so you would not have very much to choose from. And so on...

[@lvl1_feral_druid]

@@richard--s Why would you want to live only in the landing capsule that brought you there? And why do you think we cannot create space to grow more food ? It makes no sense.

[@darrylblanch8463]

People would have to understand that dead bodies couldn't just be cremated or buried in tombs, the nutrients will be needed for centuries.

[@horusthreesixteen3843]

Soylent Green is people...

[@darrylblanch8463]

@horusthreesixteen3843 Sorry mate. I don't know what/who that is.

[@horusthreesixteen3843]

@@darrylblanch8463 From Soylent Green, a 1973 movie, set in a future [2022] where a trashed environment can no longer sustain a burgeoning population, where capitalists secretly recycle people into food biscuits, with the big reveal at the end with a despairing Charlton Heston crying out from the screen “Soylent Green is people!”

[@kolakowj]

Colonizing the Antarctic is orders of magnitude easier.

[@hansarphil]

@@kolakowj Or the continental shelfs on the ocean bed.

[@code066funkinbird3]

Especially the cold and view

[@kctyphoon]

@@kolakowj and what benefit is there to doing it? You'd be wasting all the money to do it, and offering nothing new to society besides a lesson in how to live in the most expensive place on earth.

[@maisumcriticonainternet4351]

In other words, "surviving mars" and "The Expanse" will happen for real, but probably without the alien elements. I don't mind, I love that game and that show. I wish I could live long enough to see it though.

[@julianfp1952]

Exactly what I was thinking. In the last minute or so of the video where he discusses the longer term possibilities that is pretty much Mars as portrayed in The Expanse.

[@ebonaparte3853]

We’ll live to see the beginning of it.

[@elffan6844]

Im 43, and i will see it too. The biggest Step for Humanity 😉

[@horstguntherludolf6357]

War betwen Mars and Earth is inevitable. Because the colony WILL be growing and Earth WILL be exploiting Mars. So there WILL be the desire to be indipendent.

[@mirandela777]

@@julianfp1952 - Wait 200-300 years more, if we do not suicide before in a nuclear Armageddon, as our politicians desperately try to do...

[@letsgetoutsidenow]

As exciting as it is to see SpaceX build its starship to get humans to mars I am becoming increasingly concerned for what will happen when people get there. As this video points out there are many known and unknown problems to be faced ranging from the harsh environment to just natural human flaws creating conflict. I am genuinely concerned over the technology for building mars habitats in situ, parts have been demonstrated but I am unsure of how mature this technology is. The tesla Optimums robot today is barley able to manipulate a brick let alone build a wall unsupervised and yet it seems the expectation is that it will be ready to ship to mars in two years to build up the 'manned base'. Yeah Elon makes big claims but Elon time is seldom reflected in reality. Still exciting to see what the future will hold.

[@scittw22]

Given how he treats his workers I wouldn't want any part of the off-world dystopia he'd probably try to build

[@justdadstuff5171]

If it happens, what will happen is quite obvious: 1) no matter the preparation, the preparation will prove to be inadequate. There are just too many unknowns to avoid that. 2) some shit will go horribly wrong, some people will die bad deaths. There will be public outrage. All remaining and future settlers will say 'yeah we know that shit could happen, and we know it could happen to us. We accept that. Now get out of the way and let us continue our job.' Just like the Apollo astronauts did after that test went horribly wrong. 3) is in doubt. Let's hope they manage some grand successes before that shit hits the fan, to provide some counterweight to the unavoidable public calls for cancellation, or something.

[@gePanzerTe]

There are so many people linging to face those hurdles 😊 Ad astra ! 🚀

[@youngblood2]

This is madness!

[@i-love-space390]

Another thing the optimists are neglecting face is that isolation makes people mental. The CoVid lockdowns and the aftermath should be a cautionary tale. Here in Texas, which didn't even have as extreme lockdowns as other places, people starting driving at suicidal speeds and they have yet to slow down. All over America, the rates of crime spiked directly after the lockdowns. Some of it has returned to normal, but when people are cooped up with other people, it definitely causes friction. And many people become "mental". And in such confined spaces any kind of pandemic might spread very quickly.

[@davidlorang7697]

Here in Montana things are pretty much the same as they were pre Covid. Maybe we are just used to being coupled up for a while cause of winter. Either way Mars and a lack of the crazies on earth sounds very appealing to me. I hate cities and large groups so sign me up!

[@resvero8342]

But there won't be isolation, you'll be under the same roof with everyone else

[@nonya-bizness]

honestly, I wish I'd had the luxury to take full advantage of the "pandemic" and isolate as much as everyone else thought they were.

[@richard--s]

You can't just go out for a walk on Mars. The resources are limited. And the living space is very limited. Living on Mars is like a constant lockdown. It's no relief when you have finally arrived at Mars - the living spave is as limited as it was on the flight to Mars. And the food selection is limited... And you can't grow much food, because there is not much living space free for that.

[@nonya-bizness]

@@richard--s you don't know how much space there will be, the base hasn't been built yet much less a design finalized. yes it's logical to assume that the 1st base will be small, but how small? small by what standard? how many unmanned missions will there by to deliver materials and perhaps construct the base with robots before humans get there? will who ever goes to mars 1st opt for under ground, lava tube, dirt mound, or surface base? we can make assumptions about all those things, but we don't know. but I'd imagine the base would have more room than my little apartment, more than the ship ride there. and I'm a home body. I like the idea of not having to go out side. my food tasts are pretty plain too. not into herbs and spices. so food selection not a problem.

[@thomaselder2984]

Okay fine, I'll watch The Expanse again

[@luckystriker7489]

4:41 "Imagine waiting hours even days for a response". Boomers chocking in unison, even Gen-X laughing out loud. This script feels like it was written by AI

[@Bob1934-l6d]

This is why we need a Moon base first to test and evaluate these systems and second to build up data on low gravity environments. We have data on 1G and zero G, nothing in between. You will not live on the surface. The living quarters will have to be underground to protect from long term exposure to radiation. Another issue will be the ratio of male to female. I have worked at McMurdo Station Antarctica and other similar places. The female population is less than 30%, also it is rather interesting women are either under 25 years of age or over 45 years of age. If this is to become a Permanent Settlement that will have to change.

[@fluffytimes100]

We will never be able to sustain ourselves there. It is delusion.

[@donaldclifford5763]

What's to stop them?

[@shireknight01]

Oh to be able to jump forward 200 years and see if there are cities on Mars.

[@igg3937]

I find this all incredibly exciting.

[@fredamber8238]

Living on Mars is more similar to living on the moon. Without a full pressure suit with cold and radiation protection, you're lost. The pressure of the atmosphere is so low that you could actually call it a bad vacuum. Radiation is omnipresent and without an artificial magnetic field that protects the entire planet, terraforming makes little sense.

[@rookooful]

just send a bunch of submariners. We are used to the isolation

[@CD3WD-Project]

I would go in a heartbeat without thinking about it...

[@billiewinton5906]

No body knows because it’s never been done. You don’t know how long people will stay sane under those circumstances.

[@BuzzC-t3l]

Sounds like a BAD IDEA

[@oregonsbragia]

Idiotic.

[@caulfieldmj]

Is it really progress if humans go back to living in caves (on Mars)

[@JamesTurfKing]

Yes😊

[@SebastianWellsTL]

You have to start somewhere. Like any opportunity, it's not all butterflies and rainbows. Caves will only be the beginning!

[@waspsandwich6548]

I'm struggling to see how this couldn't be seen as progress?? You're on Mars!

[@oregonsbragia]

@@waspsandwich6548you’ll be dead.

[@userRhanBell]

We can't take care of one planet yet alone two.

[@PeterHamiltonz]

Someone's been watching The Expanse. 😁 Not because that's where you got the ideas, but simply cause I know you have. 😉

[@markweed7787]

The colonist that settle Mars ,must use everything,discard nothing

[@jantjarks7946]

But consumer society relies on throwing everything away as soon as possible. Otherwise our companies are going out of business. 😉

[@raytribble8075]

In my mind… the future is going to be more like the series The Expanse… I am not sure we will evolve above “us and them” within the next few centuries

[@DoggosAndJiuJitsu]

This sounds nice, but it will never happen. And if not never then a very long time from now. And it will always be temporary.

[@socoman99]

Using the martian regolith as building materials for 3D printers would be a problem due to the amount of perchlorate in the martian soil. Perchlorates are toxic to humans. Some sort of barrier would have to be constructed for the inside of a habitat.

[@donaldclifford5763]

Toxic if eaten.

[@skehleben7699]

Please, send musk there now!!

[@kctyphoon]

@@skehleben7699 just think - all the libtards can move to Mars and have a planet all to themselves - and argue with each other about who's the biggest victim among them - in peace.

[@AdrieKooijman]

Welcome to the world of CGI, were dreams come true for free. Housing prices on Mars will be in the billions for a single room, and no downtown restaurants to go to. Have fun settlers.

[@k.sullivan6303]

Perhaps we will have to build a large Space Station approximately 1 km in diameter. It will have to spin to create artificial gravity. It will have to likely have an inner section that does not spin that could serve as a docking area for space ships and shipping and receiving. It would have to have a middle section that can spin or stop spinning for the purpose of transferring people and goods to the permanent spinning section (or the section that is the most permanently spinning). It is likely that the outer almost permanently spinning section would normally have to have days of advanced notice before the spin could slow down or stop. The outer section would have to have locking clamps to secure any objects or food that is normally not secured during times of no artificial gravity. The outer section would be the living habitat and would need total or acceptable protection from radiation. The inner non-spinning section would likely house the engines for propulsion of the entire space station, and perhaps power for propulsion of the spin and breaking of the middle and outer sections (likely ring like perhaps the power from the center section could be transferred to the outer sections similar to the way electric street cars have a pole mounted on the street car that goes up to a wire, or perhaps like an electric train gets power from the tracks. There would likely have to be 2 or 3 nuclear power generators housed in the inner section and perhaps they would have the capability to be ejected from the station if one became unstable. This space station could then be sent to orbit Mars or any other moon or planet that would benefit from the station orbiting that body. This way, scientists, miners, builders, farmers, etc. could take necessary breaks from working on bodies that are dangerous to stay on for certain amounts of time.

[@ebonaparte3853]

Maybe that could work at the Earth Moon Lagrange Points or in the Asteroid Belt.

[@BnORailFan]

The space wheel in 2001: A Space Odyssey had the port in the center that also spun and the ships had to spin at the same rate in order to dock with the station. Since it was spinning slowly it was still virtually zero G in the center.

[@peterreimer2540]

So an elevator would suffice to move cargo from the hub to the outer rim. But, there's no free lunch in physics. The bigger the mass of the object the more thrust is required to move it. Space station transit thru deep space you say?

[@k.sullivan6303]

@@peterreimer2540 If the station was as supportive of human life as I imagined, the station could be moved to those orbits much slower. I'm not sure if that helps.

[@k.sullivan6303]

@@BnORailFan Similar to my idea. I am sure my idea has been thought of by many many people already.

[@rowshambow]

Ive said it before and I'll say it again. The only way this will work is if you're adding on / printing new habitat modules and rooms every few months. There is no reason why this couldn't be done with in situ resource utilization.

[@DanH-u3f]

There are huge dust storms on Mars that can last months. Building living quarters underground makes more sense. There will be solar panels and above ground structures, but underground makes the most sense.

[@420GratefulHippie]

"There might need to be some harsh realities about how Martians approach the end of life." When he said that, Logan's Run popped into my mind. 'Carousel' anyone?

[@russellsantana]

This is ridiculously optimistic thinking bordering on delusion. If we can't colonize Antartica, how can we colonize Mars, which is more extreme?

[@stevelau7694]

Is there anyway we can find the energy to move mass whether from other planets or asteroids to Mars to get it closer to the size of earth so it can likely heat up inside enough to have a natural magnetic field as well as increasing the gravity so it won't be hard to adapt?

[@joabmagara2162]

Living on Mars may never happen until we achieve advanced cyborg status. The journey already started with knee and hip replacements, artificial kidneys, etc. Our cousins on Mars will technically be another species.

[@semloh1960]

excellent, thought provoking and entertaining. Enjoyed it.

[@nonmac1621]

Long story short... No person is going to Mars anytime soon.

[@jorgesolis7891]

All this need to be pre tested and test again....😊

[@SpaceWarpYT]

Mars sounds great, as long as there's Wi-Fi! 🚀

[@JustinDavis-j2i]

Great idea 😂

[@richard--s]

There's no Wifi, no KZbin, no internet. You have what you bring and nothing more.

[@donaldclifford5763]

@@richard--s It can be transmitted, but with some latency.

[@code066funkinbird3]

Hehe nice

[@lightlegion_]

Continue the great work! It’s amazing!

[@fatihislgan7437]

Teroforming is not possible right now because the magnetic field of Mars is almost non-existent and the radiation is very high. But there will be colonies.

[@thedamnedatheist]

It would be much easier all around to simply build habitats orbiting Mars than trying to colonise the planet itself. Just use it for resources.

[@jamesbarry1673]

You forgot the effects of 1/3 the gravity................We are 500 years away from going to Mars....Robots will long before live there before any Humans will get there.

[@donaldclifford5763]

The ISS has zero gravity. And if you have heavy environment suits on your combined weight can minimize the low G.

[@JohnMarchand-rp7xv]

I'll have to re-read 'Man Plus'

[@ItsVideos]

Reminder. Colonizing mars is ridiculous.

[@lvl1_feral_druid]

Not expanding ourselves is ridiculous

[@ItsVideos]

@@lvl1_feral_druid There is no reason to send people to mars.

[@lvl1_feral_druid]

​@@ItsVideos There is plenty of reasons. Any disaster that could extinct us on Earth is one good reason to expand: Comets, virus, AI going rogue, nuclear war ; or until the expansion of our star in ~5B years turns Earth into a lava ball, if we are extremely lucky.. We will have to move, that, is a certitude. A Martian civilization will need to be smart, I don't think we can get a grip of what it can invent and accomplish for humanity, if we manage to settle in. Mars is closer to the asteroid belt that humanity will want to exploit, and what is more exciting than pushing the boundaries of space exploration and to comprehend our universe better.

[@vc7393]

Elon Musk may be able to soon get his ships remotely to Mars, but we are know where close with our technology or science, to make this journey doable for a human body. We're decades away from this happening.

[@donaldclifford5763]

The ISS has zero G. The journey to Mars is not longer than a stay on the ISS.

[@vc7393]

@donaldclifford5763 Yes agreed, but then are expected to go down to the surface of Mars, deal with that gravity, expected to work, move around right away, not to mention how much stronger the radiation gets that far out. I still think we're a ways away from that. I also don't understand the fascination of wanting to go to Mars. I understand the whole move out into the universe, I like this planet a whole lot more, I spent 2 years in a complete desert environment, I'll let others enjoy that mission. Thanks for the chat.

[@donaldclifford5763]

@@vc7393 These are not big obstacles. Men have functioned on the surface of the Moon, with much lower gravity. Low gravity makes a lot of things easier, not harder.

[@donaldclifford5763]

@@vc7393 People work on the ISS then return to Earth with full Earth gravity. The trip to Mars is an easier transition going from zero G to a low .39 G on Mars. There's nothing on Mars we don't have on Earth. It's really the forced development of these capabilities that translate into more robust and reliable systems for living on Earth. And it's the first step to moving beyond the solar system.

[@erickelly8704]

Hold up what happened to building underground to protect from foreign objects hitting the camps and the upper stages are for light and visual because not much to see there 😂 & how they can get to the ice underground as well?

[@MachWonder]

I give it 200 years before we got multiple cities on Mars.

[@anthonybarbuto6012]

Read the book.......the case for mars by Dr Robert zubrin of the mars society. His plan......mars direct.....uses on site resources to make the water.....oxygen....food.....humans need. His plan was written before SpaceX. SpaceX is years ahead of any other rocket maker like Tesla is the best ever. Eslas Optimus robots can easily go ahead of manned missions and set up machines to make the oxygen water and food man needs. Dr zubrin gave an estimate of ten years and ten billion $. The NASA plan for mars is 20-30 years and 400 billion *$. Obviously the NASA plan will never work as it's too complex and costly. Nasas sls........part of the plan is ten years old and has not successfully flown and is over budget 3x..........NASA is a joke.... SpaceX can get us to Mars

[@donaldclifford5763]

Perhaps. But look at he progress of the last 200 years. And things are rapidly accelerating now.

[@stevebroome1288]

NASA had better stop pussy footing around and come up with real nuclear power and not the tiny kilopower reactors. Any colony will need lots of uninterrupted power and months long dust storms will negate any solar panels. Since it is given that any landings will be in Starships there will be room for many tons of cargo. The first fleet, in addition to fuel production, should be power and drilling. Just to create fuel for one Starship will require two football fields size solar panels and they only work part time and not at all when dust storms cover the whole planet. We already have reliable nuclear power plants for subs and they produce LOTS of power. They should be modified to work on Nars soon as water is produced. The first ships need to carry drilling equipment to drill for water which will be needed for drinking, oxygen and cooling reactors. Without power it will be impossible to stay alive on Mars. Also, why build habitats when they will start with potential buildings that are 200’ long and 30’ in diameter. Using Starships as habitats will be far easier than building from scratch and without proper power it would be futile. Mars will be hard and will require lots of equipment to survive. I hope Elon was serious when he said he will send many Starships.

[@Bob-The-Guy]

The biggest problem with all of this is actually safely landing on mars. This is has not been solved yet.

[@TheFloridaprepper]

If they're going to rely on plants for food, they got no shot of staying healthy. Only large amounts of animal proteins and fats will give them any chance of retaining decent health. Besides preserved meat/eggs stored in large quantities, I would suggest efforts to somehow transport and raise small livestock that do well in small spaces like Coturnix Quail (meat and eggs), meat rabbits, guinea pigs. Getting them there might be the biggest challenge. Much of their food could be raised in greenhouses. The Quail could get their main protein from meal worm or black soldier fly larvae raised on waste products.

[@S0me0ne_S0meWhere_SaysHi]

The potrntial for Mars Earth relations to divide negativly must be considered also as time goes by! Consider the tv series Expanse!

[@billykulim5202]

i thinks the citizen of mars will use same indetitiy on earth, sure travel times right now is 8 months, but with developed technology it will soon become just 1 month travel time, we can trade mars as another island to viisit

[@S0me0ne_S0meWhere_SaysHi]

@billykulim5202 'I think' you miss my point slightly. I'm indicating that once humans have established themselves in such locations their very own culture will develop over time. That culture may not end up being one in line with what exists on Earth, gradually creating a divide. The TV series ' The Expanse' demonstrates this.

[@Kigxdy86tt]

My question if this plan of colonizing Mars happens is will there be an efficient way of getting rid of human waste ? Like a septic tank or anything ?

[@hectorherbert6585]

billions spent by NASA to design stuff that will NEVER reach this planet...imagine the amount of trips to bring hardware & materials...just the surviving/breathing gear to even start building anything useful for life ,the tools ,the materials ,food & oxygen generators.....this will never happen...

[@donaldclifford5763]

Elon Musk will tell you how wrong you are. And he is really smart.

[@JuanRodrigez-vq9kv]

​​@@donaldclifford5763 he isn't like a person that supported the whole white replacement shit? I get that the whole futurism vibe he gives make people think he is smart but he ain't, his engineers are smart he is not and that isn't considering the whole clusterfuck that was the cyber truck

[@code066funkinbird3]

More like gonna happen for a long year

[@Handvr]

i have an idea, may not work as i think it will but I'm going to ignore that for now to stop bone density and muscle loss from the lower gravity on mars (or the moon) we could wear weighted suits, the suits will be zip-up, they could have adjustable straps to fit the wearer, and the suits could have pouches to store medical equipment

[@MidnightOtter-19]

Introverts wouldn't feel sad because delayed communication. Build a server there that has at least 30% of the internets data. 3D print a building that's 300x300 feet that has grass and trees inside. If it have super high ceilings it would be cool. Nevermind video games. Besides a Mars colony is the same as being in prison. Closed off from the world locked away in a small room with at least 150 people that you can't get away from. Sometimes it could be years to even touch real grass.

[@i-love-space390]

And Prison is a really great example of humanity at its best, right?

[@TheDude-w5l]

I have this idea of drilling deep down for martian water and it erupting the same way as oil in oil drills. Do you think this would be a cheap and efficient solution to increase the density of the atmosphere, seeing as it would automatically turn into vapor in that low pressure?

[@glennhubbard5008]

Cold. Really cold.

[@copperjacket00]

A moon base should be first !! A large construction base

[@martindice5424]

A real time delay of 24 minutes for communication? Pfff..The British Empire worked perfectly well when comms delays could be measured in MONTHS. Okay, it worked better when linked by telegraph but you get my point. The radiation is the main problem…

[@DemoBot-r1d]

So it will be like living in a prison. And he's wearing orange, how appropriate. First Lunar base called Guantanamo, lol

[@hanavesela5884]

Spinning ring around the ship creating artificial gravity Space Odyssey style would take care for at least half of the problems mentioned in this video.

[@flawedperspective]

Remember that the owner of the habitat makes the laws. Do you really want this? I'm not going under the current situation.

[@gaba023]

So basically, it will be like living in a prison in Antarctica and you have to work full time or maybe more to stay alive. You better hope to get along with the people you are stuck with. You will never see a tree, feel rain, breathe fresh air, never attend a concert or sporting event, no back-yard or park BBQ or open flame fire of any kind. You'll never swim, or even see a body of water, be it lake stream or ocean. Being so far from the sun behind so much protective glass or ice you'll never feel the warmth of the sun on your skin. You won't have the resources to bring any animals with you, so forget about a dog, cat, or bird. I think you get this point not made clear enough in the video.

[@ConradSpoke]

Have you heard about that undersea colony on the continental shelf in the Gulf of Mexico? Me neither.

[@ssrrocks22]

If and I say if humans ever get to Mars, it will be a one-way trip. Humans will not be living on Mars for hundreds of years. (if we don't nuke ourselves first). The cost alone isn't worth the human cost. The estimated current cost is close to 10 x 10 trillion dollars. We can't even solve our own issues on earth, and we are going to Mars? Don't bet on it. Movies have shown humans on other planets for years and even coming to earth. The reality is a dream we can not afford.

[@MagicToenail]

5:23 hydroponic? Aeroponic is more water efficient.

[@leonardgibney2997]

Some of the problems l see is the mental impact of a landscape without trees, the impossibility of going for a walk, no fast way home, no escape from people l don't like, disrupted circadian rythms, and....

[@samr.england613]

...And temperatures ranging from minus 82 degrees F to minus 225 F below zero, galactic cosmic rays constantly bombarding the planet; martian regolith that is utterly toxic; no readily available water or air, just over one half of one percent normal earth atmospheric pressure at sea level, etc,. The Dead Planet.

[@samr.england613]

Oh, I forgot, .38 earth gravity. Which is bound to fuck everybody up.

[@shireknight01]

I don't think communication will be any problem at all, it will just be like emailing someone. Both sides will just have to make sure they put as much detailed information into their messages as possible in order to reduce the number of times they have to go back and forth to each other.

[@tyharris9994]

Could we use pre-streamed entangled photons to communicate with zero lag? That is to say have a constant stream of entangled photons going both ways that move at light speed but that are modulated by users after the fact to create audio or visual signal? Just throwing it up on the whiteboard for consideration.

[@nicholashylton6857]

FTL communications? Nope. You can entangle particles, but they cannot be used to send useful information. The receiver will always detect random noise. The universe may be "non-local", but the speed of light... indeed, the very speed of causality... isn't something you can get around.

[@MarsStarcruiser]

Single photons wouldn’t be enough. There is atleast one potential bypass however discerned mathematically and thats wormholes. But we may not have that till we are somehow capable of creating and entangling Kugalblitz micro blackholes, which would require dedicated dyson swarms of a K2+ civilization.

[@pontusvongeijer1240]

Terraforming Mars isnt really gonna be feasible untill we figure out how to make a magnetosphere. :p Any atmosphere we manage to add by melting ice will keep getting stripped and then theres the radiation part of living on a planet with no magnetosphere.

[@ebonaparte3853]

We could also paraterraform Mars. We could dome over parts of the surface and make those sections Earthlike.

[@donaldclifford5763]

There are many numerous dormant lava tubes on Mars, suitable for habitation by closing off the ends and pressurizing the interior. Large interior space with minimal construction. Provides shielding from radiation and micro meteorites.

[@ThomasDuffney]

what could solve the muscle deterioration and strength could be an exoskeleton attached to the EMU/EVA suit for support till they get used to gravity on mars, or the moon.

[@thatguy32314]

Mars will become a military power and Then tell Earth we are our people. Then, the first galactic war will happen.

[@josephwebster2909]

Mars, USA, District 1, Sin City

[@prembagui7104]

I don't think People are going to be dying on mars naturally because it is going to be beneficial to just bring people in early 60s or late 50s back to earth, if we send people in their late 20s to early 30s to mars they can comfortably work their for more than 20-30 years and comeback.

[@VociferousCringelord]

After 30 years of 1/3 gravity i fear bringing them to earth is a death sentence.

[@adambachert4300]

The truth is humans will not colonize mars in the lifetime of anyone who ever sees this.

[@elliotbrown1076]

Maybe not, but you actually don't know that

[@asynchronicity]

Good. What a ridiculous idea.

[@peterreimer2540]

Ummmmm... we military vets ate the same rations the astronauts eat for months on-end in austere conditions, no air-conditioning, combat conditions. If soldiers can do it so can the 1st Mars settlers. But, some greens, fruit, fresh grains would be appreciated!

[@christiandietz6341]

Send people to Mars just to live underground. But why? Nothing useful on Mars, and everything is lethal to life.😮

[@asynchronicity]

A ridiculous fantasy.

[@PlanXV]

Will there be any potatoes 🥔 there 🤔

[@davidroddini1512]

Of course 😂

[@nicholashylton6857]

Potatoes *_and_* duct tape. Without them, space travel is pointless

[@kc10man]

Can tell you all watched The Expanse. Such an awesome show!

[@MutheiM_Marz]

Don't worry, MCR got it. Live on Mars is like dreams compare to the asteroid belt..

[@harryflower1810]

Nuclear sub crews will give a good example of people living in isolation in a non natural environment also man has shown historical its capacity in long term travel eg long sailing ship voyages and antarctic exploration

[@i-love-space390]

Astronauts and Submariners are volunteers who are screened heavily before they are allowed to join those endeavors. Elon and Co are pretending that they can take a bunch of ordinary people to Mars. I think you are going to find out exactly how "mental" ordinary people become in confinement. Oh... right, we already found out during CoVid 19.