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[@mysterymayhem7020]

I think some of the best people to crew a Starship will be submariners. They are used to spending months beneath the sea in a steel tube without seeing anything or being connected to anyone. They would be the ideal candidates for a mission like this.

[@gilbertpaiz8096]

Absolutely!

[@davidhoward4715]

If people can be trained to live in a submarine they can be trained to live in a spaceship. There is no need to recruit submariners.

[@Jem_Apple]

@@earth_lingships & buildings designed specifically to prevent that will…. Prevent that 😂 People like you have existed throughout history trying to hold our species back from scientific advancement. Luckily there are enough people who are brave enough to risk death to advance our species 😊

[@mysterymayhem7020]

@@davidhoward4715 Submariners are not trained to live in a submarine, they have specific mental fortitude that makes it possible.

[@penapvp2230]

@@earth_ling i mean we couldve said the same for every human who decided to explore unexplored lands even on earth. the only difference is the gravity and atmosphere

[@Paul1962]

On earth, ships often travel in groups, for example, a naval carrier group. So instead of sending one starship, send a group, a command ship with the astronauts, and other ships with supplies and cargo. It also means that you have backup ships if you have a problem. Being in space, they could even be Tethered together.

[@invisiblejaguar1]

Can't believe that's never dawned on me, a fleet could be the best method. Plus if a ship experiences difficulty there's others to provide assistance.

[@damiansmith5322]

Could have built a large station or ship with the shuttle fuel tanks

[@richardpoynton4026]

If you tethered the ships in couples, nose to nose, and had a suitably strong cable, you could rotate them to provide some measure of artificial gravity. (Down would be toward the engines, up would be toward the command decks)

[@curtrapp5291]

Ever hear of spaceships colliding? That's why you don't send up an armada of ships. It might be possible to launch unmanned resupply ships ahead of the manned ship to reduce the payload. The manned ship would dock with the resupply ship and take on replacement stores. Then detach and go onto Mars. Of course of the resupply ship fails, then your kind of screwed.

[@ronschlorff7089]

yes, wagon trains in space, or later "iron horses", a proven strategy on earth that should work in space!

[@marthajohnson2775]

Virtual reality headsets might be a practical solution to overcoming claustrophobia on a six-month flight to Mars. They could dial up virtual trips to the beach, the mountains or the wide open prairies. Get on a stationary bike or a treadmill, then virtually bike or jog along a favorite trail. Using sensory stimulation via heaters, fans or nature's sound effects (such as the sound of birds, a rainstorm or a flowing river) would add to the experience, making it as close to reality as possible.

[@osbjmg]

People act as though the trip is the hard part and then once they get to Mars it's like there's somewhere to go. It's just more tubes and underground encased structures. You aren't going to just go walking around on Mars and live in a glass bubble with plenty of space to stretch out.

[@ethan44866]

@@osbjmg I mean, that's technically true but when they are on mars they aren't exactly going to be sitting around waiting like on starship. They would most likely have tasks to carry out on the surface and other stuff like that.

[@chrislambert5571]

radiation would kill everybody on it

[@konkam744]

@@chrislambert5571 well sadly stainless steel is a good protector against radiation

[@chrislambert5571]

@@konkam744 lolol

[@johnanthony7821]

I think you make 4 of these ships, with hatches that will allow you to connect all four together, in a quad, side by side. They get interconnected in space, though some amount of supplies is in all four sections, one would have the bulk of it as well as power cells another would have the bulk of you fuel but tanks in all four will be connected by one-way valves.

[@ferncamper4433]

This is probably a good idea, because you can get a lot more resources/crew with you and they could use a big connector system with tubes, hatches and solarpanels to connect the ships together, which also can carry tanks for with fuel for a possible return to earth. But usually if there is a permanent stay planned on mars the first ships should/will be designed modular so that you can dismantle them for resources needed for a mars basis-hub

[@Kaviranghari]

they could use a combination of surface solar panels, nuclear batteries like in subs, and some stored energy from earth in form a batteries, they could use the fuel in the tanks also, they could use as said in the video h2 cells.

[@stevescontriano860]

You are a steely eyed missile man

[@Sinjinator]

Connect them in a row… like human centipede 😂

[@paynepersons6147]

The space shuttle is not an interstellar vehicle. It didn't get past Leo. For to be Interstellar, it would've had to leave the solar system.

[@teslabot5650]

Should I keep watching? My gut says unsub!

[@MrChibr]

Bro were you listening? He basically said it would be the best thing we have for Interstellar exploration. He never said it was an interstellar vehicle or that we’ve used it for interstellar missions.

[@maxv9464]

@@MrChibr But that's not true either.

[@Random_Blip]

Perhaps he was allowing for warp nacelles to be retro-fitted to the space shuttle.

[@MrChibr]

@@maxv9464 What did he say then?

[@iancole931]

I think you will find that cargo ships will be sent to Mars before ships with people on board and therefore cargo will be kept to a minimum on people ships. The successful landings of the cargo ships will also determine the safe or not so safe landings for human cargo.

[@ashleychiasson2872]

I agree they gonna send supplies up before people

[@safffff1000]

Suicide trip, fragile hull, space radiation

[@mervstash3692]

They wont be sending anything mate. No one is going there. How are you going to generate water, air, food, fuel etc? You can't just ferry it from earth.

[@CharlieVane21]

They were supposed to be sent last year. This project is the same as Hyperloop. All hype. Hype in an endless loop, if you will. We will get there one day, just not anytime soon. Musk will have been dead for a century, at the very least.

[@mervstash3692]

@@CharlieVane21 Finally someone else with a brain

[@PrinzMidas]

This will take much longer, than anyone want to make us believe!

[@hazardeur]

all just snake oil BS as long as it comes from the muskrat

[@OzkanArac]

This will not even happen. Don't get me wrong; we will eventually visit Mars, but this Elon Musk dream is just that... a dream.

[@doomsday437]

​​@@OzkanArac what makes you say that? Everything spaceX has done indicates this *will* happen... I'm pretty sure yesterday or maybe last week they even announced for the first time in a while they're on schedule with the mission to Mars

[@OzkanArac]

@@doomsday437 Really? You believe Elon Musk when according to him 10 years ago, we would already be on Mars today. Even while his rockets are still blowing up around Earth. "On shedule"... don't make me laugh dude. Elon Musk is still just trying to clear the tower. That's all he ever tests for. We clearing towers for over half a century now but SpaceX is still testing it... lol. I know one day we will visit Mars. But it won't be a colony and it probably won't have anything to do with SpaceX either. I'm 43 and I'm just hoping to be alive when it happends. But Elon Musk's wet dream is not going to cut it for sure. Just to be clear, we are talking about a guy who thinks Starship can comfortably haul 100 people to Mars. We are talking about a guy who thinks radiation is not an issue. We are talking about an agency who keep losing their rockets at the time they said they be on Mars already. Elon Musk is a dreamer and a vaporware salesman. He will contribute exactly nothing to the first man on Mars.

[@andchi2000]

The chance of having a human on Mars before 2100 i slim to none. Musk sure as hell won't be the person to bring us there. It would be ridiculously expensive, and the people would probably die half way there, and even if they made it, they would never come back. Not to mention all the technical issues. Can't even imagine how many single points of failure this pipe dream would have.

[@davidmcleod1760]

I love your videos, you present the informatuon in such a clear and concise manner.

[@jerrylong381]

It makes the most sense to use elements of the "Mars Direct" plan, no matter the other considerations. Send all the supplies you need, along with a fuel generator, to Mars ahead of the manned ship. You don't launch until you verify everything made it safely. This way you aren't trying to cram everything you may need on the trip, plus what you need once there, into a single ship. It would enable you to concentrate nearly everything on the manned ship toward crew health and comfort. By doing it this way you also have the makings of an outpost on the planet that can be used by future missions. To me, this is the only way that makes sense.

[@blothe5457]

It would be very difficult to sync the re entry’s to get the same spot, mar’s orbit is pretty wierd compared to ours and I would take a few years in between different supply and manned ships.

[@koldrake2746]

It makes sense to send several loads 'ahead of time'. They will STILL have to have 6-9 months of food, water, 'air', and power for the 'live trip'.

[@JamieWex]

Going to mars is just impractical unfortunately. The lack of gravity would just destroy our bones and basically lead you to die a painful death. Babies would be born deformed. Humans really are only set up to function here. We are better off recycling our current resources and fixing the issues humanity created here. This whole colonization idea would lead to the end of our species…serious. The journey alone is likely to kill us

[@jerrylong381]

@@JamieWex I am not advocating the colonization of Mars, but the manned exploration of the Red planet. If that leads to the development of ways to negate the health impacts of .375G then I'm all for colonization. And no one is being forced to immigrate to Mars. Anyone that volunteers for the trip will be aware on the potential effects on their health. Long term we must spread to space to ensure the survival of the species, even if that means evolving into something we wouldn't recognize as Homo Sapiens.

[@johnmorelli3775]

The most sensible approach to maximize safety for the crew and their effectiveness. Separate advance ships would ferry: 1) a Mars habitat where the crew will stay 2) a greenhouse which would produce much of the food they will eat (tended by a robot) 3) vehicles the crew will use to navigate the planet 4) power plant that produces all the power/fuel the crew will need If sent in advance the crew would then know that everything they need to survive and succeed is already there and in good working order waiting for their arrival.

[@scottmartinezguitarandbass]

In a crew trip, they will have most likely have sent equipment and supplies on other rockets and it will be waiting for the crew there. That makes the most sense.

[@ender_slayer3]

Something of note, Elon has said that Space X will be expanding the current overall length of both the booster section and the length of the Starship proper.

[@rap4656]

I really appreciate you and your teams hard work that you put into your work. Thanks and keep up the good work.

[@Big.Ron1]

I don't know what it will be like to go to Mars in that big ass rocket but I volunteer. I am a Navy vet so understand living in close quarters with others. I spent 40 years in Aviation, have my FAA mechanics and inspectors licenses and am a pilot as well. Given expertise in most things related except ordinance I would be a good fit. Plus I am getting old so if things went sideways, no harm no foul. I am much closer to the end than the beginning so lets go! Like I said, I would love to be on the first one to go.

[@ernstborse1278]

Ik like that spirit. 👍🏻To most modern people it seems unacceptable to allow old people to die before at least six of their organs fail.😅 I share that attitude to spend my last years to serve humanity in such a daring enterprise, after many fruitful years on Earth.👨🏻‍🎨

[@iwantmykidssusan4941]

You are, on paper, among the most qualified. I say go for it. I fully agree with your perspective of “closer to the end than the beginning”. If you make it all the way to mars, you could dedicate the rest of your life to working there, probably quite comfortable due to the lower gravity.

[@curtrapp5291]

They wouldn't take people over the age of say 45. Older people wouldn't be able to do the strenuous work needed to build a habitat. And their health would decrease much sooner than younger people. You can't afford to waste the payload on someone who may wind up as dead weight.

[@demcomp]

You will die. It's literally that simple, you will fly to Mars, and you will die there.

[@timberwolf0122]

@@curtrapp5291 Older people make sense for the first colonists. Radiation is a huge problem, the first people going will get a high dose. Radiation damage is like rolling a dice from the moment it happens, older people have less dice rolls left to get a tumor (this is a little over simplified) Infertility is a must too for the first "colonists" on mars, there will not be much in the way of spare resources so suddenly adding the load of a growing child/children is not feasible assuming the radation doesn't cause significant health problems. Plus given the conditions they will be living in, life expectancy isn't going to be great.

[@JK-pe6ft]

"The old space shuttle has so far been proven to be our high water mark in terms of a legitimate vehicle for interstellar exploration." *Interstellar* seems a bit ambitious for both the Space Shuttle or Starship.

[@TheBeanGreen]

Finally, a simple explanation. Thanks!

[@johnb-bo-ny8107]

Don't forget about these additional challenges: radiation protection for the crew, especially if there is a solar flare; landing pad preparation on Mars (Moon too), (you cannot land the Starship on soft soil, nor can you leave it sitting for months on soft soil, nor can you lift off from soft soil); and landing targeting accuracy, (if you prepare a landing pad before landing, can the ship actually navigate accurately enough to hit the bullseye?). Then on the surface of Mars, radiation protection is vital. I think SpaceEx will need to first land a bulldozer, an earthmover, a concrete mixer, a portable crane, and robotic construction workers on Mars before any crewed Starships can land.

[@lawrenceiverson1924]

You're right about landing on regolith , but maybe an autonomous surveying craft could find a big , flat rock on which to land. Could be looking for caves for habitation at the same time , too To me that' s the most sensible source of shielding ;; Lots of dirt and rock between rads and people !!

[@AUniqueHandleName444]

@@lawrenceiverson1924 Yeah, I suspect they will be able to find at least a few flat rocks for the first few landings. That said, they are also definitely going to be doing a ton of autonomous site work before anything else.

[@andchi2000]

There are a thousand reasons this Mars nonsense won't work.

[@QueotesToSmile-nc8wd]

@@andchi2000 Its not going to take 100 years you all talk about stuff you can't even begin to comprehend they also announced setting a plan up to start getting ready to send people to mars you are just as idiotic as the rest of these internet goons lol. Take you're hater ass somewhere else.

[@zzanatos2001]

I was in the military for 20 years and often spent months deployed to the middle of nowhere with no cell phone, computer, or mail capabilities. I got a 10-minute "morale phone call" once a week - but the landline phone was often broken, or it would cut off the call after a minute or two. So when I see people crying because they don't have instant communication, it makes me giggle.

[@mymixedbiscuit9159]

woww

[@thirstbasket]

Not that long ago we only had the pony express for long distance communication, and somehow people were fine. I don't think that's a big deal. 40 minutes at the halfway point (an hour if you add the time needed to compose a detailed message) isn't really a big deal. Now, being in zero G for who knows how long sounds like a real problem to me.

[@UXSpecialist]

@@thirstbasketWe’ve already solved that with ISS. People stay up there for 6 months all the time….

[@thirstbasket]

@@UXSpecialist After astronauts return from the ISS, they take the time to go through physical therapy for several months and it takes months or years to recover bone density, muscle strength, neurological health, etc. Whereas when people land on Mars they will presumably have immediate work to do, much of it physical in nature. I'm not saying these are insurmountable problems but they're definitely problems.

[@UXSpecialist]

@@thirstbasket Ok, well what would be cool is a gravity simulator. Like a big ring that spins around the starship. It could gradually change from Earth's gravitational strength to that of Mars. Actually, I'm surprised the ISS doesn't already have this. We should totally build this....

[@DracoSkyGX]

I imagine life on Mars and in the ship would be borderline militaristic, but understandably so due to the scarcity of resources and harshness of space.

[@ronschlorff7089]

certainly, during the first missions, until it's proved safe; then it will be much the same as life on board an airliner or cruise ship, say 50-100 years from now!

[@hunterbear2421]

@@ronschlorff7089 me praying i will live long enough to get into space. I think i should be able to I got born in the 21century so as long as i don't die from other causes i should live to about 80 year old my family at the moment is mostly pushing 90 and 100 and that with them living in the 1940s with all the lead gas and horrible chemicals who knows how long i will live for.

[@ronschlorff7089]

@@hunterbear2421 good luck, eat lots of meat, it's good for your immune system!! LOL

[@rexringtail471]

I love the return to Earth-normal vertical layout. Skylab was amazing.

[@KerryO91]

I think a good battery source for this type of mission would be the Nuclear Diamond batteries, hopefully the technology will be protected in time for this type of missions!

[@saquist]

Good break down but everyone keeps assuming the crew version will have a header tank in the nose...NO. that was done just for weight distribution for the flight test prototypes. All header tanks will be in the empty vaccum of the main tanks below. That will keep them cold for six months and prevent punctures from micro meteors.

[@MT-gv8ns]

I would imagine life on the starship during a trip to Mars will be like life on a submarine; as in back-to-back patrols. There appears to be several similarities. Acclimatization prior to the voyage would be of value. The number of people onboard is important; enough so not to be boring (unique personal interactions) yet still have enough personal space. On submarines you didn't need (that is to say, you didn't get) much.

[@dickystipper4887]

I had 9 patrols on an SSBN , 75-80 days apiece. I think I could handle the trip, but I wouldn't trust the hardware. On a submarine, you can feel confident that you will be coming back!

[@jebes909090]

except you'd go blind and get alzheimer's from all the brain damage due to radiation in space. also the air you bring with you is all you'll ever get whereas on a submarine, you just surface and you can refill instantly. plus you can get out of the submarine and stretch your legs in the sun but in space you are stuck and will go crazy.

[@cloud9656]

I can go there if they allow me to take my phone with me. I will spend 60% of time playing offline games and listening to music.

[@kirikiri44695]

​@@cloud9656 shut the fuck up and make some friends 🗿

[@geoswan4984]

@@cloud9656 You've got to watch those quiet ones...

[@CrossoverManiac]

It would be a lot easier if they could use a microreactor to power the Starship. Also, incorporating inflatable hab modules that were developed by Bigalow Aerospace would increase the habitable volume for passengers.

[@beyondplanesight]

I definitely think several Bigalow modules would help and could be used on mars after landing. A microreactor is unfeasible due to the way it works. Nuclear reactions generate heat to boil water to turn a turbine. Then that steam would need to be cooled. On a submarine or aircraft carrier, this is easy using seawater. There are no particles in space to cool the reaction.

[@rafetizer]

Oh it would be huh? These putzes aren't even aware when they're prized ship explodes, and can't seem to build one that doesn't do that, let alone make it past L.E.O.

[@user-uj9cc5ch5p]

Space Travel is complicated and many things can go wrong. You need the brightest and best people to take on a mission like this. James X

[@MrLubyg]

The only problem is the brightest know better than to even try. Otherwise they're literally not the brightest 😂

[@samson1200]

Good intro to the Starship journey. Being that weight is a primary factor to get the starship off earth, might I suggest that when starship is orbiting earth after liftoff and during refueling they launch a couple other ships the same size with extra battery packs for electricity during the journey. Also they could put most of the food stores and water in the 2nd. starship and transfer that over to the primary starship to save on some fuel during lift off.

[@302hobronco]

I'm on the same thought train as you. I'd like to add that if multiple vehicles could be launched into orbit, then attached together. You could take more for the journey and provide more space to move around in for the crew.

[@RobertBreckenridge13]

There will be several unmanned landings ahead of a crewed mission to place heavy equipment and supplies. There will probably be more than one crewed ship on the first trip to Mars. SpaceX plans to build 1000 Starships, launching up to 3 a day to ferry people and housing and water and food and rovers and science instruments, etc.

[@baritonebroker]

I concur, was thinking the same thing. Launch a ship with water onboard.

[@uhvman]

More battery's? Lol.......look up RTG generator and see the lies your fed.

[@barakobama8194]

Imagine being this stupid. They would use nuclear energy

[@ianisbell500]

No way we are going without spin gravity. A round-trip is going to be a full year in zero G. Plus 0.4 G on Mars for one year. Our bodies would be wrecked before getting back and would suffer serious consequences under the acceleration of reentry to earth and possibly even departure from Mars. I’m guessing they would use a cable tether between two starships to spin them up

[@memyselfandcorpse2]

The other (much more technologically difficult) option for "gravity" would be to take a page out of The Expanse. Orient the floor of the ship towards the engine, and be constantly accelerating at 1 g the acceleration force would be enough to safely push the occupants "down"

[@AlbertaGeek]

@@memyselfandcorpse2 Yeah, that's a stupid thing to bring up. It's not just "difficult", with our current technology it's impractical to the point of being effectively impossible.

[@strangevideos3048]

Or Earth 9.87 m/s Mars 3.52 m/s

[@leon15776]

If people can put up living in Chicago or San Francisco then they can make it living on this starship

[@StampleD2147AI]

@@memyselfandcorpse2constantly accelerating means the trajectory to mars will change, we accelerate to increase our orbit to mars then stop accelerating.

[@bradlavassaur8265]

I love your videos. However, I really don't think that colonization of Mars is a very practical thing to do. But, being the space/ aviation geek that I am, it's quite fun to dream of. Thank you for sharing your videos. They are very inspiring, and interesting.

[@andchi2000]

It's not practical and it is virtually impossible by any stretch of the imagination. But Elon fanboys don't really care...

[@keenwood571]

I like the starship design. For a trip to Mars I think you will need 2 of these that can connect in space and would have enough cargo for the long journey there and back. If not 2 of them then perhaps a bigger ship will be necessary.

[@druu988]

That is exactly what they plan on doing . SpaceX plans to launch two of the identical starship and while in orbit around earth they’re going to link up.

[@user-ek4iy5wp4h]

um, there isn't going to be any manned flight to Mars for a long, long time - this is nothing but crockery

[@pahtar7189]

Weight is always a consideration, but regardless of how Starship is powered, the crew is going to need a lot of shielding to protect them from solar flares. A bank of batteries would absorb the dangerous radiation well, especially if they're already going to be on the lower deck between the crew and the Sun.

[@ebonaparte3853]

And there is an onboard solar storm shelter for crew members.

[@lgkfamily]

The best shielding for the trip is water. They have to take water along anyway, and will likely be recycling it.

[@ronschlorff7089]

@@lgkfamily yes, and getting there at great velocities, that will solve so many problems including exposure to dangerous radiation, but yes, liquids are good shields too.

[@mervstash3692]

@@lgkfamily that water wouldn't last long mate. You can't just keep ferrying it from Earth.

[@yourpal6542]

Just need to store all the water around the outer part of the ship.

[@titodalessandro1909]

How about connecting four of these habitats together and creating a circle. Rotating the structure will create gravity in all four connected ships. The chances of several and return will be better.

[@lmlmd2714]

One starship needs six other starships to refuel it after it reaches LEO before it can transfers to Mars. If you have four ships travelling, then you need 24 starship tanker launches just to fuel them up. It gets absurd pretty quickly. An expendable starship with a seperate decent module would be *much* more efficient as it would be trying to haul it's entire return stage from a relative velocity of 0 m/s at the Martian surface... but I dunno.... Musk reasons.

[@ronschlorff7089]

@@lmlmd2714 Yes, in Musk we trust, he's been to Mars before, as part of the von Neuman probe regeneration of a humanoid life form, to show us earthlings the way to get us off the Earth before catastrophe hits our planet.

[@calz7744]

9m diameter is far too small to generate artificial gravity with rotation. Your feet and head would be multiples of difference in relative G force. Feet at 1G, head at .5 and you've got yourself a ship full of vomit.

[@ronschlorff7089]

@@calz7744 yeah, but that's only for 6 short months!! The vomit does not worry me, it's; the toilets, yes, the toilets, OMG, ...the f'ing toilets.......!!LOL :D

[@calz7744]

@@ronschlorff7089 Won't need to worry about toilets once you get to Mars! Collect all that feces for poo-tatoes like Matt Damon did in The Martian.

[@SnackPack913]

I’m seeing this after watching their first successful launch to orbit! I can’t believe how big it actually is.. seeing human models inside the rooms for scale really puts it into perspective!

[@covlrkkcoeog]

The Surviving Mars Solar panels fit so well

[@ianeons9278]

6:22 50 Sleeping Cabins! It’s possible but imagine the amount of resources they would need onboard to sustain 50 people for 6 months traveling to Mars and needing the materials to set up a base on top of that.

[@tosvus]

I find it particularly odd since the intro states 10 would be ideal, and that 100 as Elon suggested could happen at some point sounds like a "really bad idea"...

[@barakobama8194]

Not only that this moron thinks they are going to use batteries for 6 months as an energy source. Instead of proven methods like nuclear and hydrogen

[@AlbertaGeek]

@@tosvus Yes, it's high time we stopped listening to Elon's figures. Dude can't even get an EV right, so I wouldn't entirely trust him with a manned interplanetary spacecraft. Let's stick with the pros.

[@xx8836]

That is a lot of farts to process.

[@Levo_D_Angelo]

There should be 2 Starships, one for the Crew and one for the massive cargo which flies autonomous or can be controlled from the first Starship. Otherwise colonisation will not be possible, maybe an exploration but thats not what they want tho.

[@scottd1903]

I think id rather have 7 floors with an avg ceiling height of 8 feet. Could make one floor the sleeping quarters with like a 6 foot ceiling spreading the extra 2 feet over the other 6 floors making them 8' 4" on average, or have like the main lounge floor with a 10 foot ceiling. IMO, The extra floor seems more valuable than an extra foot of height.

[@johnpayne1117]

Loads of room for improvement on all this. This stuff is crazy exciting to think about.. ❤❤

[@averagejoe8255]

As another viewer stated, it’s great eye-candy, but that’s about all. At most you’d want a capacity of 6-10 astronauts, and then design for fully autonomous operations. 1. A true Airlock 2. Equipment bay for Rover(s). 3. Hydroponics Bay? 4. Additional oxygen storage. 5. Additional water storage. 6. Additional food supplies 7. True Kitchen facilities? 8. Maintenance Bay for Spacesuits and “All” equipment. 9. Fabrication Shop and Spare parts area. 10. Additional Solar Array storage? 11. Spare battery storage? 12. And so much more I haven’t even thought of yet. Yes, it’s fun to see all these totally imaginary fanciful CGI renditions, but I’d much rather see useful well thought out design concepts created by Engineers versus artists that love the look of things versus the practical application of current and proposed future technologies. An “A” for enthusiasm, but other than that, it doesn’t do much for me. Wish I could find greater emphasis on real world applications using a CGI platform.

[@user-kn6sz8ji1j]

Having served aboard a nuclear powered submarine, I believe that a Mars mission of many months will be the ultimate challenge. The habitable area of a submarine is much greater than that of the Starship. A submarine also creates an endless supply of oxygen and potable water from seawater. A submarine also has the ability to store food and supplies for a crew of well over a hundred. In addition, during an emergency a submarine can surface and return to port. During a Mars mission a crew wouldn't have the multitude of options and zero delay communications that a submarine has. Even with the challenges of a Mars mission, God has given mankind the ability to dream and plan for such endeavors. Therefore, I believe that it is possible.

[@doctorae724]

It would seem that a successful mission to Mars would NOT be possible in the foreseeable future for the very reasons you pointed out.

[@carno.5911]

@@doctorae724 It is not like people din't serve in smaller submarines whose habitable area is around the same size. & this in war-times were it was not possible to return to port for longer time etc.

[@Mozart1220]

Gods are MYTHS.

[@coronalight77]

What specifically did god do? People did this.

[@dbrinkm1]

who do you think made people...dont give me that evolution garbage that fails the test of science at every level..

[@Jellycat_art]

One way to generate energy is make the exercise equipment mechanical chargers as well alongside the existing battery cells

[@nicolasblume1046]

You completed forgot the most important part: a shelter against the suns outbursts

[@SalvatoreReale-rs5jk]

You haven't commented on any of my other ideas i've said, but here goes!! If you don't keep the crew busy they will go bonkers. Give them tasks that they need to preform like, 1st a really good telescope for them to make observations while there in flight. 2nd Have two people build a robot or two for when they get to Mars they have there own personal friend they can give commands to for help on Mars. This would give them the incentive. 3rd At some point, when a person is confined in a vessel they need to escape for a while. A good virtual reality system so a person feels that there in a much bigger place then they really are. This reduces stress of being confined. I have other ideas but i need to know if your listening. Please comment. Thank you for your time

[@eagleviewhd]

Good ideas!

[@mariolis]

I would say that a crew size of 15-20 would be ideal for the first Mars mission you will need experts in several different fields in even just a 2 year mission that plans to return ... its not as easy as 4 days to get there , plant a flag and then come back in 4 more days And that is especially true if the plan is for colonisation rather just for a temporary outpost

[@philiplongee1149]

I think the plan was one Starship launched with crew and life support and another would provide fuel and attach together for the trip to Mars then separate and return to Earth while the crew module would land on the surface. Still would need an orbiter is something went wrong.

[@julianfp1952]

@@philiplongee1149 Yes, although I suspect more than one supply ship ahead of a crewed landing. The atmospheric entry and landing on Mars is going to be very tricky, almost certainly the most risky part of the mission, so SpaceX will have wanted to be confident that it can be done successfully before attempting a crewed landing and to be confident enough to risk even one human life I would think that they would want to have successfully landed far more than just one uncrewed test flight and when they send these uncrewed vessels to attempt a landing they might as well put something in them, in fact they need to have something to accurate simulate the residual payload mass that a crewed Starship would have by the time it landed (people and equipment but probably most of the food and water gone since that would be replenished from the supply vessels already on the surface). So my guess, putting all of that together, is that by the time the first crewed Starship lands on Mars there will be multiple uncrewed Starships (3 or 4 at least?) that will already have successfully landed.

[@julianfp1952]

I agree more than 10 and 15 to 20 sounds about right. Even for a crew of 10 would you want to include a medical doctor in the crew since it would be a 2 to 3 year mission? Definitely NOT in my opinion, that would be too risky, you would want to include at least 2 medical doctors in the crew in case one gets incapacitated or killed. The same probably applies to other specialist skills where it would really make sense to at least double up on those specialists and that probably makes a crew of 10 too small to cover all the necessary skill sets.

[@dlewis8405]

I agree that 16 - 20 would be a better number than 10. There is also the issue of being able to start up conversations with people you don’t usually talk to, just to get a break from your usual acquaintances

[@lmlmd2714]

The minimum possible number of crew to complete the mission, really - they'll have to be multitaskers. Every extra body is a mouth to feed and consumer of water, living space, an extra EVA suit, and so on. The fewer bodies involved, the better. You prob couldn't do it with less than six, but more than ten is inefficient and you are making the mission more complicated than it needs to be. Throw out un-needed passengers, and you can bring more food, water and other mission supplies. Also in a loss of crew scenario, the fewer grieving families, the better for absolutely everyone involved.

[@jeanlukvolker6647]

They will likely use upgraded propulsion methods in the future using this starship design and as a base for missions to mars and beyond.

[@SlavomirHajevski]

Space shuttle interstellar? This made my day. Be sure to mount warp drive there mate and maybe some photon torpedoes just just to be safe.

[@hanbo123]

I wonder if SpaceX will launch several rockets at the same time for the maiden voyage. They will need lots of infrastructure to sustain the crew once they land on Mars. Also they might want to have several crews going at the same time, to spread the risk. Let's be honest, the risk is humongous.

[@radarw64]

I think that human transport will come after a few supply flights. At the landing site, they will need equipment and lots of it.

[@espenha]

It's always been the plan to get the propellant plant to Mars first. If all works well, the crew would arrive at a site with several other Starships, where one already contains enough methane and liquid oxygen to return to earth.

[@davidbeppler3032]

@@espenha No. Mars is a 1 way trip. Suicide mission.

[@espenha]

@@davidbeppler3032 No, it’s been proposed that longer term people might go to Mars to stay, but that’s not the plan for the first crewed missions.

[@davidbeppler3032]

@@espenha Interesting. Elon said it is a suicide mission. I guess you get your information from someone else?

[@TheChromeRonin]

@@espenha Also thoroughly testing the bellyflop and propulsive landing systems on Mars.

[@JasperH5150]

Thank you for not playing dramatic loud music in your videos... We can actually understand your dialogue... Thank you!

[@PatrickSiamol-zv1dd]

Great unique Technology

[@leeholmes9962]

Mate don't forget the first people that will be on board the star ship will be professional astronauts the professionals tend not to go crazy 😆👍🇬🇧✌️

[@sebastiannolte1201]

Already the Apollo Spacecraft used a hydrogen fuel cell to produce electric energy, so did the Space Shuttle. So it is really weird when you say "We already figured out how to power a car with it, so it is certainly possible that it can be scaled up to a starship". And that you even mention batteries before that.

[@ronschlorff7089]

Yeah, the dumb little Canuck! And yes, some "inconvenient truths" abound today about what has been done by we Americans, decades before. That, and many others, like it was pretty much "routine operations" for NASA's Apollo Program to go to the moon "Anytime When They Wanted To", well over 50 years ago! ;D LOL

[@barakobama8194]

Not only that they can also use nuclear. Which would give them power on Mars as well. The narrator has the brain power of a single battery

[@ronschlorff7089]

@@barakobama8194 yes, true, the new nuke engines will be great and get us there quickly, within weeks instead of months, once the Mars vehicle is in orbit; but it's that first "big boost", using chemicals, from Earth into space that will be tricky-est to pull off. Like as we witnessed by the recent Star Ship short "flight" and RUD! Not too much that will be "re-useable" after that flight, eh? ;D As for the narrator, I think he is just reading a script written by a robot!! At least he seems to be humanoid! :D LOL

[@eekee6034]

I don't entirely understand why he said solar panels would be too big to roll out from Starship itself, but fuel cells seem like a good idea anyway. Oh wait I forgot, hydrogen tends to leak _through tank walls!_

[@ronschlorff7089]

@@eekee6034 seems like an old and tried technology but I suppose new/better? ones will come online before serious long-term missions to the moon begin again. The Apollo landings were rather short duration missions so the H2 leaks would not be a huge problem, I guess. I imagine they knew about it and discounted it in favor of getting there and back as quickly as possible.

[@jeffnaslund]

In the Martian, their ship Hermes had rotating sections to simulate gravity using centripetal force. That design has to be included somehow; maybe assembling in space and docking with it? It would solve a lot of issues for the crew, especially physically. They would also sleep better. By rotating opposite of each other, they would offset any gyro mechanics which can cause yaw issues that may pop up because of the energy that rotation causes. Plus, it would make no difference to the crew, because they would have to go through a weightless tube and go down another one. It would also expand crew quarters considerably.

[@tonylittle3508]

I think it should be a replica of the Enterprise. That would be really cool.

[@Philipp_K]

Good and interesting video! Thank you! I think, the sleeping pods should be positioned horizontally, otherwise they can't be used on Mars in gravity.

[@ronschlorff7089]

yes, and any artificial ship gravity should be anticipating that as well, maybe gradually!

[@motoman22atgmail]

I think there will be three or four going at the same time with just one holding people. One that can sustain everyone home should remain in Mars orbit as a lifeboat until and unless needed by a crew stuck on the surface. Wouldn’t they be wise to pre-stage supplies in Mars orbit or on the surface before we even head that way? Seems cheaper to send the stuff that doesn’t need life support in a less sophisticated vehicle and use the space/weight in Starship for people and plants and sensitive things.

[@jimfisk4474]

Thank very much. And there's one thing not mentioned, Participation by e t's from other planets

[@sumbamotor]

A ship like that in space can actually use Intrepid Class Propulsion... All he has to do is build an interchangeable module and exchange modules while in space where nuclear would not harm humans

[@favesongslist]

Great video TY I think it is more fun to think of the first Lunar Starship Interior layout that NASA plans to be for just 2 people with a short trip from Luna Orbit down to the surface. Then in 1/6 G. They will have so much space nice large hotel style bedrooms with comfy king size beds each, more like the quarters on the StarTrek Starship Enterprise with fully functional showers etc. I just feel so sorry for the 2 astronauts left stuck on the cramped Orion.

[@injectablebacon1891]

In NASA's defense the Orion is designed for 5 day missions, not 6 months, plus the crewed missions to the moon is probably going to happen 5-10 years before the Starship's.

[@favesongslist]

@@injectablebacon1891 Guess we cannot get to the Moon. The shortest round trip to the Moon was Apollo 11 took over 8 Days and Orion NEEDS Starship to do the Moon landing. Amazing how the Artemis 1 Test of Orion survived 26 days.

[@michealsims1960]

Was of the impression that Artemis was another money pit. Designed to integrate the space force budget, into the beleaguered agency. Any votes for leaving space travel to the private sector and using those federal resources to allow for the states to inspect and repair our crumbling infrastructure?

[@skerdicerga4939]

Great video. Two things come to my mind: You need a protective area (bunker) during radiation/cosmic storms. Nuclear power - different but one to propel the ship and and one for electricity

[@davidbeppler3032]

Just use Water to stop the radiation. You have to take it with you anyway. 2 birds with 1 stone. Before you tell me you need 13 feet of water, I know. 6 inches of water and 3 inches of Tungsten. Might take 8 inches of water.. not sure. Have someone smarter do the math on that. You want to take a steam engine to space? You know nukes are just steam engines, right? Solar is 5,000% better in space than on Earth. Why not just use that for electricity?

[@skerdicerga4939]

@@davidbeppler3032 I totally agree regarding use of water as shielding, 100%! And doesn’t have to be the whole ship, only a certain area to bunker together during the event… I don’t agree though regarding solar to nuclear, sorry. I think we need nuclear engines for starships and also powering them I think will be more efficient and easier than dragging huge solar sails.

[@dannyhartshorn4665]

Great video dude

[@richardlandis793]

To boldly go where no one has gone before. 😊😊😊

[@michaelreid2329]

I think the DreamChaser will set the standard for access to orbit.

[@fortyfour6626]

First, using one ship isn’t as good as many smaller. Launch 10 ships that are each half the size of the one described. I know, cost will prohibit it. But it does a lot of things. You could have a ship dedicated to energy…one to food…one to crew life, one for fuel etc. Once launched they can meet up in space and fly together. If one has issues, they can move that stuff to the others. Seems safer. Hell, you might even link them during the flight periodically. Gives the crew meaningful activity while presenting minimal risk. Sort of like voltron lol! Seriously, like each ship is capable of the entire trip by itself but when combined in the fleet, they all become more efficient. Kind of like a Navy with specialized boats.

[@ronschlorff7089]

@@halomaster9640 No doubt the first crews to Mars, especially if occurring during a democrat administration in the U.S., will be "diverse", if you will, in many ways!! And the definition of "the right stuff" will have changed, more than a little bit! ;D LOL

[@ronschlorff7089]

@@halomaster9640 oh, yes, good, some real meat at last!! "Fillet au gerbil, de maison" in a burre blanc sauce! Would be delicious for those suffering a diet of kale and fake meat for several months! LOL ;D

[@lawrenceiverson1924]

@@ronschlorff7089 Well Guinea pigs are eaten in , I believe , Peru and Bolivia , Must be tasty enough.Borrow some recipes , and go for it !!! Could feed 'em all the vegetable scraps , too

[@marymarlow5598]

Making them into a freight train just makes sense. Then most of the ships will have more than enough fuel to land. I think SpaceX should build the 18 meter wide ship, because it can haul so much more, verse the 9 meter wide Starship. Smaller just limits what you can take, and the risk of failure just multiples.

[@mospeada1152]

Send the equipment and additional food separately. For power, as seen in the video, attach an external module before departure.

[@alanhoyt9453]

I think a combination of Elon’s ideas and the information presented in “The Case for Mars” by Zubrin and friends is the most viable strategy. Multiple vessels flying an orbit between Earth and Mars exchanging goods, people, and resources (including the fuel required to maintain the orbit and compensate for shifting mass and external forces).

[@Gianipilotlife]

The fact that I am alive to witness this is mind blowing to me. Zivilisation of mars... wtf thats like something from a movie and im here to see it happening, crazy.

[@fluffypuffyboy586]

yeah you will need to wait another 20 or 40 years till the first human on mars

[@Feral_Sage]

@@fluffypuffyboy586 nah, a decade

[@fluffypuffyboy586]

@@Feral_Sage every mission takes 2 years. And it will. take more than 5 once to make it safe enough.

[@Feral_Sage]

@@fluffypuffyboy586 it'll never be safe, they'll be riding on a bomb, in space, to an inhospitable planet that we are colonizing. In a decade, we will have humans on Mars.

[@fluffypuffyboy586]

@@Feral_Sage yeah but it needs a certain amount of succesfull tries to be human certiefied by nasa

[@inglwud5625]

I would think that they should link two or three together in earth orbit first then move on to mars, that would make for alot of extra storage and habitat.

[@user-ow3kh6sm9h]

too bad non of this will happen now we know how bad thy aree

[@inglwud5625]

@@user-ow3kh6sm9h no- elon said it was 50/50 shot of it working at all -now we know how powerful it is and will compensate for it - besides the other rockets didn't work right at first either - now they do!

[@fugu4163]

In the future i can imagine that you first take a feedertrip to a spacedock either floating in space or on the moon. From there passengers and cargo enters a much larger spaceship for the six months of travel to Mars.

[@edposs9435]

I think hard hat divers would be the best people for any weightless construction. Working underwater you are basically weightless, hence the huge pools currently being used for training astronauts.

[@xx8836]

Yea, but they drink too much and there is no booze in space.

[@Hitman-zp5wi]

I work for SpaceX at the Cape and work with the engineers on the design for Starship somethings you got right and others not so much but you'll have to wait until the full roll out to find out ;)

[@mervstash3692]

The most obvious part is the going to Mars part. That's clearly never happening.

[@Feral_Sage]

@@mervstash3692 When it happens in just a few years, I'll remember your comment and laugh.

[@mervstash3692]

@@Feral_Sage bold claim considering its not even on track to make it to the moon by then. Want to rethink your time frame?

[@Feral_Sage]

@@mervstash3692 by a few I mean 10ish years. Should have been more specific.

[@mervstash3692]

@@Feral_Sage with or without humans?

[@ReveredDead]

For the privilege of stepping on another planet, let alone going into space. 6-9 months in that ship is well worth it. Even if it's a one way trip. It won't matter to me. Seriously I'd be writing in my journal every single day in between my day to day duties. Recording footage and taking pictures. Needless to say the crew would have a treasure trove of video and photos of the journey.

[@jebes909090]

except you'd go blind, then have alzehiemers before you even get there from radiation.

[@kjetz_]

@@jebes909090why? Spacex have the best engineers from around the world I’m sure they’ll find a solution for that.

[@ltjjenkins]

In the movies you'd be the gung ho character who gets wiped out first.

[@gregoryretzlaff7884]

Go ahead and volunteer, it's easy now. But when launch day comes, several of your compatriots will be put on the ship at gunpoint, having had second thoughts. Not the kind of people you want to fly to Mars with - no one will get there alive.

[@zacharyreid7557]

Id imagine you need a similar mindset to that of a submariner for a trip in Starship

[@The.Hangry.Comment]

I wonder if they thought of launching 2 of them together and connecting them side by side for the journey so you could have a back up ship if needed...like one that stays in orbit while one lands and could be called if needed help to leave if anything goes wrong during mars landing...

[@davidbarnes5953]

Send 5 Stareships at the same time, connected together with one being the center of the spinning wheel, each of the other four starships would be at the end of long cables connected to the center starship, spinning enough to generate earth like gravity. As for the power, the center unmanned starship would be nuclear power source for all four manned ships during the trip to Mars. Arriving at Mars the center starship would stay in orbit while the four starships would detach and land. With this configuration, the long weightless problem solved and so is the power issue. And if there is enough room in the center starship it could be the cargo hauler too, landing at a distant location as to not cause any nuclear concerns, it would become the power station for the new Mars settlement.

[@jackinthebox301]

Anything that adds complexity and points of failure is basically a non-starter in Elon's eyes. Although, the need for artificial gravity is a bigger deal than I think he's willing to admit publicly.

[@ebonaparte3853]

We have to figure out nuclear fusion first.

[@tosvus]

@@ebonaparte3853 fission will do fine if you have a dedicated ship for it.

[@ebonaparte3853]

@@tosvus Maybe we can use both fission and fusion.

[@JeffMcDuffie72MeridianGate]

Spinning a circle to generate gravity isnt as easy as you'd think it is. If it was so easy then it would already be in use and of course it isn't.

[@mariusmeyer14]

Thanks for sharing. My two bit opinion is that you don't need the header tank in the nose since there is enough weight up front

[@wadevid]

A trip to Mars would be an introverts greatest dream come true!

[@ChrisBronson-gn5yd]

🤔 Very intriguing perspective!? 🧐👌

[@richw0123]

I don't think a single Starship can be used for the journey to and from Mars. So a single Starship could be used for power generation with a small nuclear reactor, another could be for crew living quarters, another for the landing vehicle, and if your going to Mars you will need a fully kitted out machine shop with a CNC lathe, 5 axis CNC mill and 3d printers etc.. I wouldn't go to Mars without a decent lathe. I think it will be a bunch of Starships joined together. Think nuclear sub or a battleship for all the stuff your going to need minus the weapons.

[@nunyabiznez6381]

Definitely 3D printers and maybe a multi axis CNC machining center with both lathe and milling capability. Only problem though is that CNC machining centers use up a lot of electricity and they need things like coolant, hydraulic power and the ability to collect chips. I doubt they would be able to use a CNC machining center on the trip itself but perhaps on the surface of mars.

[@xx8836]

And a soda machine, you will be parched on Mars.

[@rogerstephens2749]

For power they could use some of the small portable neculear reactors that are made by Rolls-Royce. Not batteries

[@kevinhansford3929]

Yep that's the obvious solution imo

[@ForestTre]

1 key thing that you missed when it comes to information on the SpaceX. Is that there's going to be two ships traveling together, and they will be tethered in such a way so that they can spin and create artificial gravity. And they will be hooked up to you but the tether will be able to have solar panels making it so that they have enough energy to get back and forth. Apparently they're still working on how they're going to create the artificial gravity

[@thanksfernuthin]

I would hope the vast majority of cargo used on Mars would be delivered before hand... and we were sure it was there and ready to go before we sent anyone.

[@kalmanmahlich9959]

Could also be powered with small nuclear generator but my bet is Solar/batteries.

[@petersilva037]

I think you want the entire crew area surrounded by water tanks... like 30cm around the periphery of the entire ship, divided into multiple tanks for clean and grey water... this would provide shielding against cosmic rays etc... so subtract about 0.6 meters from the diameter wherever crew are. perhaps can omit it on the lower equipment levels. There should also be "shades" that can be deployed against the windows filled with shielding for during storms.

[@michealsims1960]

Read somewhere that multiple launches are scheduled to link the starships end to end like a train with double-stacked shipping containers. Figured they had a few ships that are to be those water tanks.

[@kennethburden1065]

Using water to shield cosmic rays would be too much extra weight, I’m sure their is a different material that would work just as good without adding all that weight that water would….

[@sulaco2122]

@@kennethburden1065 No matter the weight water is the best shielding available, every other material mostly metals become radioactive themselves from exposure in space, water does not.

[@Critical-Thinker895]

Unfortunately the calculations have already been done. Blocking ionizing radiation is harder than you or Elon Musk knows. Ionizing radiation like gamma rays requires almost 14 feet of water, 7 feet of concrete or 1.3 feet of lead, none of which is practical.

[@sulaco2122]

@@Critical-Thinker895 Source?

[@Kyle_Markham_Real_Estate]

I feel in regards of communication a satellite relay system that is deployed prior to the first manned mission would allow the ship to cut down on coms back and forth. Also maybe for power these satellites can have batteries attached to them and are charged solar. And then the battaries can be switched along the way.

[@11fasteddie]

Imaginable reasoning/explanations, good job as always, love the visuals.

[@getnoob3945]

This is a topic I was thinking about and I'm glad you've covered it. In many animations, I see depictions of up to 30 PEOPLE being held within the rocket. Humans aren't cargo! Uhh yeah, the ship is big enough to be physically capable of holding that many people, but they'd have to be cooped away in a porta potty sized room, and could only come out to the main area a few at a time! That just isn't possible for humans to do for 6 months straight. The ship is big, but only in terms of carrying out a few people at a time like the Lunar missions. The meta for interplanetary space travel is far different than interlunar. Not just by how to get there, but the experience of getting there as well. 👍

[@marymarlow5598]

Issues that will need addressing are medical problems. Pharmacy supplies will need to cover years in every area. Some one would also need to be medical trained as a General practitioner, and at least a couple years in surgery training to meet the needs of people willing to colonize Mars. With a couple years of basic surgical training the doctor could accomplish almost anything that would come up. With video guidance from experts on Earth almost all surgery could be accomplished by a second year intern surgeon. Need a few people with nurse training to assist. One of the first trips would have to bring a complete operating theater, and testing equipment, x-ray, and lab to handle blood work, and tissue testing. Once the unit is in place the risk of death from a treatable disease, or even cancer drops to about the same as being on Earth. Probably better with access to all the experts versus the rural hospitals most people have to deal with.

[@eekee6034]

I used to be a fan of tiny cabins because for years I was very happy with my entirely computer-based life, but then I realised that I was happy because my online life involved a lot of associating with people online in ways which would be impossible with the speed-of-light delays of an interplanetary voyage.

[@getnoob3945]

@@marymarlow5598 interesting. Safety is the top priority for something so grand, after all. Getting to mars is the secondary goal on a martian mission. The main mission is ensuring the crew will make it back to Earth alive.

[@AUniqueHandleName444]

The interior volume will be greater than a 747. In cruise ships, there can be as little as 30 square feet per passenger. Translating that very roughly to interior volume (at a rate of 5 square feet per 2 cubic meters), we're looking at about 5000 square feet of interior space in the starship. Which would mean that Starship would be able to fit 166 people with about as much space as a low-end cruise ship, or about 100 people with as much space as a middle-high end cruise ship. There will be plenty of space. 30 will probably be the luxury liner version of starship, giving each passenger over 160 square feet between their personal and common areas.

[@AUniqueHandleName444]

@@eekee6034 Which is why you'll want a big crew.

[@nunyabiznez6381]

For the trip itself, solar panels are the best option. I'm thinking the whole craft will be covered in them. I'm also thinking that a cargo ship or possibly several cargo ships would be sent in advance of the crew and included in the cargo would be solar array's and batteries.

[@TwiStedZaP]

Nuclear is the only clear winner here.

[@glamdring0007]

Solar is not a good option for many reasons. Small nuclear reactors make a lot more sense...and as the Voyager probes have already proven, nuclear reactors can last many decades so they make a ton of sense as fuel for a new colony.

[@jamdonut1122]

@@glamdring0007 unfortunately the only viable way to cool the reactors in space is to radiate the heat into the environment. The ISS uses many radiators and that's simply for managing temperature on the space station itself and its solar panels. To cool a reactor powerful enough for the electronics needed for 6-month journey, I would assume requires a large amount of radiators. The voyager produced approx. 450W at launch, and 250W currently. However, the first ISS radiators were added in 1998, I'd like to think some advancements have been made in the materials and designs so it may still be possible.

[@CharlesFossler]

maybe the best way to travel from earth to mars the best would be to use solar elevators in space itself, elevators with cables connected to each other with drop off points

[@richardtruckner2203]

It seems to me that the primary launch should be from the moon which would allow resources to be acculturated from earth first, rather than one giant leap from earth with a single rocket. This would also allow more resources to be sent at one time because of the moons low gravity. A launch from the moon would also facilitate the possibility of a much larger vessel for the journey. Second, rather than attempting the difficult landing from just one rocket, it also seems to me that it might prove prudent to design the larger vessel to be used as an orbiting space station in Mars orbit, from which supplies and personnel could be shuttled to and from the surface. Providing sufficient fuel was also carried along for the journey, which a moon launch would now make possible, there would be fuel enough for the shuttle. Additionally a shuttle would facilitate much easier decent to the Mars surface since it could have the possibility of being a glide vehicle and also slowing decent using parachutes. The ascent back to the orbiting station would also be much easier given the lower gravity on Mars…. Just my thoughts.

[@andrewadius142]

Design 2 fuel / solar panel transfer stations. One orbiting Earth and one orbiting Mars. And call them Buddaboom and Buddabing.

[@johndododoe1411]

For survival, cargo mass should pad the outer walls to limit radiation. Preferably this padding should be expended to limit knock on effects from radiation damage. Maybe fuel, water or food. Mined materials on the return journey. A consequence would be to huddle crew near the center.

[@AUniqueHandleName444]

You don't actually need to pad the outer walls. All of the significant radiation is going to come from one place -- the sun. You just need a barrier between the passengers and the sun. The rockets themselves, the fuel, the water, and the cargo payload sitting underneath the passengers will provide a lot of shielding.

[@Critical-Thinker895]

You haven't mentioned the problem that NASA hasn't figured out yet ... that of ionizing Gamma radiation. Shielding against Gamma requires several inches of lead or several feet of concrete, neither of which is possible for a Starship because of the weight.

[@wesleybeaver]

And then we come to DARPA's 'advanced materials' that are going to be used in the DRACO NTP system. If it can handle the radiation from even a low level enriched fission pile, it should be eligible to act as shielding for the crew section, at least.

[@kirikiri44695]

Water

[@Critical-Thinker895]

@@kirikiri44695 For it's gonna take a lot more than they have room for.

[@dennismaxberry5272]

Send up a relay communication device like a latter type relay that might spin in-between Mars and earth or even on the moon.

[@davidpayton-pb8to]

Text messaging would be the best thing.. it's normal to wait a few minutes to get a response in a text so it would be ok to chat with someone that way

[@xx8836]

I heard Cricket has a good unlimited Mars plan.

[@speedy01247]

for a large scale mission like this, it may be best to build a ship in space, part by part, then have a smaller landing craft. yeah its much harder to do, but the final ship could be far superior in terms of quality of life and/or ability in function. also incredibly stupid question, but could we create some sort of solar fan using solar sails and make energy that way? (spin the turbine by having sails rotating in opposite directions gaining power through the solar rays pushing on the sails?)

[@earth_ling]

I’m in favor of skipping all of the spaceship stuff and just go ahead and build the Matter Transporter. Then we could just beam ourselves there.

[@FractalNinja]

@@earth_ling idk those kind of scare me cause of the ethical and philosophical reasons, like....does consciousness survive the transport? is it YOU coming out the other side or just a perfect replica with your memories and you cease to exist once you step into the deconstructor?

[@mymixedbiscuit9159]

Nah. The ISS was built like that and believe it or not Starship has a slightly larger interior volume

[@saumyacow4435]

Agreed. Starship embodies "Mars direct" which is the wrong architecture. That's the first problem. Secondly, a realistic human mission to Mars would be indirect - via Mars orbit in both directions. To that end you need a suitable vehicle. Not a launch vehicle. Not a lander. But a transit vehicle that gets humans safely from Earth orbit to Mars orbit and then return. And such a vehicle could be assembled in Earth orbit with minimal manual intervention. Not only that, but you could build a vehicle that can can be spun end over end to provide gravity. Something Starship cannot do.

[@AUniqueHandleName444]

@@saumyacow4435 I think you're not familiar with just how large and capable starship is. It could provide ~50 square feet of space to 100 passengers, which is roughly equivalent to a high(er) end cruise line, it can act as both an upper stage on Earth and an SSTO craft on Mars, and it runs on methane, which is one of the easiest fuels to synthesize in-situ. Over time, other architectures will make a lot more sense, but SpaceX knows everything you do about this topic and more, and Starship was the best, most practical design they could come up with. Right now, simplicity and reliability of supply lines is going to be the most critical thing to focus on.

[@thomasschulz2167]

Arguably it would make more sense to develop a modular system that can be sent up in pieces and assembled in orbit. For example design the layout of the Starship so upwards of 7 can be docked together with docking ring connections to allow transfer between ships. That allows for each ship to be modularized to fit a need of the mission as well as allowing for redundant backups that are spread out and relatively isolated. Don't want a repeat of Apollo 13 where one faulty tank blew the primary and the backup.

[@rap4656]

Thanks!

[@JosephDent-qd9ih]

You see the fuselage of the whole space craft is needed.

[@eagleviewhd]

A 20 minute delay on communication is nothing! When I was stationed on Shemya Island, it would take weeks to get a letter home and then get an answer back!

[@petersilva037]

with starlink today, even Shemya is on the internet...

[@TheWadetube]

Faucets DO work in zero G, it's the drains that don't work. Collecting free flowing water is a matter of using static electricity instead of gravity, the same in a shower, a static charge will collect the water onto a surface and it will be vacuumed up. You will be able to have showers in Zero G. But there is an alternative for a ship as big as the Starship and that is a spinning wall set up for sleeping and showering and toilets, also for eating at a table and another one for growing food. 4 rpm would produce a little less than 1/10th of a G Larger ships can have larger spinning habbitats and more g force.

[@exploringgodscountry]

Nuclear power they have all kinds of different stuff, can be more easily used in space as shielding is less of an issue.

[@CWIDNER25]

Great commentary and awesome video.