What makes a character strong in SF6?

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Broski

Broski

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@SingerOfW
@SingerOfW 3 ай бұрын
Streamer told me not to sub in the beginning, then told me to sub at the end. Instructions unclear, unsubbed from Sajam.
@sc562
@sc562 3 ай бұрын
Loldafuq
@Vanity0666
@Vanity0666 3 ай бұрын
Superbunnyhop will pay
@Apemopo
@Apemopo 3 ай бұрын
@@Vanity0666 beat me to it dangit xDDD
@tehblahblahblahs
@tehblahblahblahs 3 ай бұрын
sajam mentioned
@robpires9407
@robpires9407 3 ай бұрын
​@@Vanity0666I understood that reference.
@postano9153
@postano9153 3 ай бұрын
top tier thumbnail
@ArlanKels
@ArlanKels 3 ай бұрын
So true, too, another Akuma player cracked another tournament and it's like...can we just please nerf the demon man. Please?
@YunisRajab
@YunisRajab 3 ай бұрын
@@ArlanKels idk he might be the best but not quite so busted that he wins everything
@Rand8688
@Rand8688 3 ай бұрын
No doubt epic
@blenderrender410
@blenderrender410 3 ай бұрын
@@ArlanKelsCan you look at Cammy win rate ?
@IytrrvItru
@IytrrvItru 3 ай бұрын
​@@YunisRajabman Akuma doesn't win anything, he's good , he's very fun to play but he haven't won anything yet , people are too quick to judge a character based off of ranked performance. Bison drops and gets a firstplace within 1 month and nobody says anything... Come on man
@TheSwami514
@TheSwami514 3 ай бұрын
All I heard was Jamie is strong and this justified my switch from Akuma to Jamie
@odindarkll3706
@odindarkll3706 3 ай бұрын
"The top player is here!"
@zackswitch9656
@zackswitch9656 3 ай бұрын
The reverse shuckle
@shaunmcisaac782
@shaunmcisaac782 3 ай бұрын
Put down the pipe son
@MetalFacedGamer
@MetalFacedGamer 3 ай бұрын
​@@shaunmcisaac782no don't, I enjoy watching crackheads do crackhead things 🤣
@duxnihilo
@duxnihilo 3 ай бұрын
0:54 I have to agree with chatter: "doesn't yap in training mode" is OP.
@Spookynoises125
@Spookynoises125 3 ай бұрын
Can confirm, I use Akuma in training mode :/
@The_SOB_II
@The_SOB_II 3 ай бұрын
i have to set them to shimmy a little bit or i will enrage
@omglazerspiewpiew
@omglazerspiewpiew 3 ай бұрын
- biped - featherless Jamie is top tier
@A-Spoto
@A-Spoto 3 ай бұрын
I don't think Broski needs to second guess his analysis of Jamie's moves being good. The thing is, Jamie is actually really really good... once he gets to 3-4 drinks. The reason he isn't good is because he has to give up so much to become good.
@thuroria7631
@thuroria7631 3 ай бұрын
Not lvl 3, he needs lvl 4 to be good. And even then, he has a bunch of mediocre normals outside of sHP, and his tools aren't that amazing in general, mostly being weaker versions of what Cammy has. Then there's the command throw that should literally never be used because it's not worth the risk.
@mattb6616
@mattb6616 3 ай бұрын
hes completely functional or even "good" at 2 drinks. but 2 is a pain. he should probably just only have 3 levels and spread the moves out a little diff
@DevilRising
@DevilRising 3 ай бұрын
Funny enough I think the actual biggest problem with Jamie is most of his good stuff is the 0 drink sober stuff. You don’t hear people complain about his drink only tools, but they always cry about Jamie sweep and drive rush HP
@Giefgrabber
@Giefgrabber 3 ай бұрын
Yeah, if he has 4 drink in round start he will be Yun
@ReddRambler
@ReddRambler 3 ай бұрын
There's a character from Virtua Fighter called Shun Di who has a similar gimmick to Jamie. The way they handle drinks in that game is that, while they're easier to get, the opponent can also take them away by hitting you with certain moves. I wonder how Jamie would work with that kind of system. Level 4 Jamie could become more accessible, but also harder to hold on to.
@corvoyami3192
@corvoyami3192 3 ай бұрын
What makes a character strong in SF6 Step 1: Be Akuma
@michaelcampopiano4466
@michaelcampopiano4466 3 ай бұрын
@@Runk3lsmcdougaldosent make ankuma not strong
@DevilRising
@DevilRising 3 ай бұрын
But low helf
@corvoyami3192
@corvoyami3192 3 ай бұрын
@@Runk3lsmcdougal That still wouldn't make Akuma bad, it would make me bad. Also I play Ed so your comment is irrelevant.
@jamgUNoh
@jamgUNoh 3 ай бұрын
Akuma mains on their way to say muh 9k health
@shaunmcisaac782
@shaunmcisaac782 3 ай бұрын
As an Akuma main... lol yeah iknowrite
@orangeknight321
@orangeknight321 3 ай бұрын
1. Corner carry 2. Privilliged throw loop 3. OD move heavy combo structure 4. Tech or die 5. Hard counter to throws
@KTSamurai1
@KTSamurai1 3 ай бұрын
i really like hearing the rationale of high level play. these are things that im, like, distantly aware of. but as a mere casual platinum/sometime diamonds player who drops a high percentage of my combos and routinely forgets if i have meter for a super or not and lose the round when it should have been a checkmate hearing that something as simple as "can i punish a throw attempt?" or "can my character shimmy after a dash?" is so important it just helps me appreciate what you guys are thinking about all day. very cool, thank you broski
@JaggerIsBurritos
@JaggerIsBurritos 3 ай бұрын
This is going to take my Guile downplaying to a whole new level. Thank you, Broski.
@turnedHead
@turnedHead 3 ай бұрын
I get so many of your videos in recommended I legit thought I was already subscribed.
@YunisRajab
@YunisRajab 3 ай бұрын
same
@Spookynoises125
@Spookynoises125 3 ай бұрын
Half expected the video to end with "Anyway F*** Jamie and I'll see you in the next video"
@Rincewindus
@Rincewindus 3 ай бұрын
I don't know, I think those things that Jamie has are still strong, it's just that literally anything Jamie has that's even halfway good has an asterisk next to it, whether that asterisk is an an incredibly bad hitbox/animation like his DP, or locked behind drinks.
@zackswitch9656
@zackswitch9656 3 ай бұрын
Or giving up oki once or twice for drinks
@shaunmcisaac782
@shaunmcisaac782 3 ай бұрын
Much like Manon's medals, he needs to work for it or he'd be infuriating and thrown controller worthy.
@Rincewindus
@Rincewindus 3 ай бұрын
@@shaunmcisaac782 That's what the devs clearly intended, but they forgot to actually make him powerful. As is, Jamie works his ass off to be worse than Akuma and Bison.
@lolozo214
@lolozo214 3 ай бұрын
Having to win 3-4 interactions to unlock your best tools kinda sucks when the rest of the cast can 2-touch you with less investment
@ThreatLvMezzanotte
@ThreatLvMezzanotte 3 ай бұрын
I'll send you back to the drawing board, my friend: 1) Jamie's corner carry, provided you land the Momochi combo, takes you corner to corner 2) Jamie is +4 post dash after throw OR can get a drink + meaty 5mk!! 3) The new OD palm routes can net you a drink and start recovering some drive...well that was there before. 4) Jamie's new OD palm routes + the Lv1 Automattock combo really upped his shimmy game, with his damage output can range in the 4.7 to 5.8k (drink dependant and I might be slightly off) for 1 bar + drive dump 5) You do know that Jamie escapes throws with a counter, so yeah Al true but jk yeah we still suck haha
@dhayris160
@dhayris160 3 ай бұрын
Rashid at JUST A tier is wild imo
@corvoyami3192
@corvoyami3192 3 ай бұрын
And Ed at S. Lol
@atbtrendy9932
@atbtrendy9932 3 ай бұрын
​@@corvoyami3192Ed Is top tier for sure
@duxnihilo
@duxnihilo 3 ай бұрын
@@liveAlittle22He's been winning a lot and he's fairly consistent.
@atbtrendy9932
@atbtrendy9932 3 ай бұрын
@@liveAlittle22 yeah and i think he's actually the weakest top tier, but still top
@dhayris160
@dhayris160 3 ай бұрын
@corvoyami3192 Ed is quite strong. Top 1 might be pushing, sure, but I'd definitely put him in top 5. I'd probably swap him with Rashid.
@Limevolrt
@Limevolrt 3 ай бұрын
Incredible that 3/5 of these traits center around throws, and one of them is getting the opponent into the corner to go into potential throw loops
@clockworkserpent
@clockworkserpent 3 ай бұрын
As a Jamie Main, hearing you list the 5 things needed at the beginning made me laugh😂
@captainnavigator6534
@captainnavigator6534 3 ай бұрын
I'd say the third thing you said (about characters with conditions that make you explode) is so prominent because those characters can get those conditions+oki of of basically everything, including drive parry.
@Puntersnatch
@Puntersnatch 3 ай бұрын
Was literally about to comment those top tier traits all belong to jamie. Then you broke my heart lol
@grigoryp.7366
@grigoryp.7366 3 ай бұрын
imo initial "5 things" thingy is true and jamie is more of an "exception that proves a rule" type of character. yeah, he's kinda ass initially, but that's exactly because he starts from a huge disadvantage and has to work to get these tools, and do it every. single. round. but once he gets there (lvl3-4 - which makes the exodia thumbnail even more funny, because it's jamie who's actually collecting dem pieces), he definitely becomes very damn strong and scary.
@numa2k147
@numa2k147 3 ай бұрын
​@@grigoryp.7366 Jamie can die before he gets three drinks. And I'm a Manon main. Looking at these traits theorically is misleading because in practice it doesn't always goes to plan.
@jonnyanderson3042
@jonnyanderson3042 3 ай бұрын
Whilst a lot of the things talked about in the intro apply to Jamie. All but one (invinsible reversal) is locked behind some amount of drink levels. And really that's why Jamie is weak. Playing Jamie is like playing as Akuma but you spend the first half of each round on the phone. It would be interesting to see a tier list where each drink stage is ranked independently. I think with 2 drinks Jamie is comfortably mid tier and beyond that he get's quite strong.
@snackerfork
@snackerfork 3 ай бұрын
"Playing as Akuma but you spend the first half of each round on the phone" is my new favorite description of Jamie
@Section8dc
@Section8dc 3 ай бұрын
The drink system is why I dropped him when the game launched, imo he should keep one drink between rounds, or maybe he loses two drinks from wherever he is at by the end of the first round
@kingleonidas2182
@kingleonidas2182 3 ай бұрын
1:20 THATS WHY HES THE TOP PLAYER LETS GOOOO!!! I mained him from day one and I haven’t regretted it yet.
@Aregulargameplayer
@Aregulargameplayer 3 ай бұрын
Just for funsies, applying this criteria to my character Luke: - Good, low meter corner carry: True. If Luke can get a cr.HP or st.HP, then he can do perfect into perfect for big corner carry with just 1 bar drive rush. Also can side switch, but again only if he can get a cr.HP/st.HP. Not as good as corner carry as Ken but very good. Super 2 actually has a decent amount of corner carry to it but it can be kinda hard to combo midscreen after knuckle juggles. - Privileged throw loop: He can't dash after throw but just walk and still shimmy so that should be true. - EX Combo Meta: Not really, Luke's EX moves aren't combo friendly. EX knuckle basically only lets you get one more juggle afterwards. He does do good damage for how little drive meter he can spend but his big bombo routes will require drive rush cancels. - Tech or Die situations: Not really, not to same potential as Aki. Funnily enough, if he had his VS1 from SFV then maybe. - Anti-Throw Tool: Again no. Even in SFV when you had VS2 throw invuln suppressor it would be too slow for a situation like post drive rush mix up iirc. But that's fine since suppressor was more for corner pressure than defense.
@chaberus2180
@chaberus2180 3 ай бұрын
Correct me if im wrong but he had all of this in season 1 when people said he was top 1. Then the nerfs came and didnt touch the things you mentioned, but, still he was regarded as weaker and not top tier like before.
@RockBottom7626
@RockBottom7626 3 ай бұрын
​@@chaberus2180 The kinda long version: Luke's buttons got nerfed and his damage and some his tools (like SA3 and SA1 to punish). He is good in neutral still but he can win neutral and still lose the game, because his reward is too low. And if he loses neutral it is over for him, because he needs so much drive. And Ed becoming so relevant as well as everyone labbing him showed limitations. Example: Sandblast is probably the worst "fireball" in the game atm (many reasons for this). And Ed being so metarelevant is terrible because Luke vs Ed is season 1 JP vs Guile level of bad. There is nothing in Luke's kit that can open Ed up and no buttons to keep Ed out. Chun is also terrible. Otherwise Akuma and Cammy are also relatively bad for him and they are super meta relevant too. Luke basically has no win con other than playing better, has no favorable or even even mus against the meta chars (maybe just maybe Bison), some of the system mechanics nerfed him hard (like the drive regen change) and some stuff became inconsistent, especially before the mini patch (like Luke randomly started to whiff, because his 2LP pushback was still scaled to his former range and mus like against Gief became borderline unplayable as they could just buffer SPD in blockstring and if you get hit, gg). Also this season on average is stronger than before and we figured out how strong Rashid and Ed actually are, especially Ed who we now know was already top 5 in terms of potential at least, but weird. Akuma and Bison would have been up there with full power Luke to make a comparison, heck Cammy did go even/beat full power Luke and she mostly got stronger this season. I am not saying Luke was not top 1, but he got with the most explicit and implicit nerfs. There is much more talk about, but explaining why Luke fell off is legit an hour of explanations, because there is so much to it.
@Calhasnopals
@Calhasnopals 3 ай бұрын
Jamie’s such an interesting case because I think all the tools he has do make him a usable character. It’s more an issue of multi-step characters. Ken, Akuma, Ed, Rashid, etc don’t have to follow any multi-step side missions to get cooking. That’s obviously not a deal breaker, if that first step is easy enough; Bison Psycho Mine is a great example. But characters like Jamie and Manon have 4-5 step gameplans, with Jamie having to redo do these side missions every round. Even AKI, imo, suffers from this issue, having to maintain poison to keep getting damage and corner carry that Top5 contenders get for free
@Raxyz_0
@Raxyz_0 3 ай бұрын
Yup. SF6 is so chaotic that having to give up oki for powerup is a huge downside. Bison and Aki are better off because they can get said condition _and_ maintain pressure, but Jamie, Ryu or Lily have to take considerably higher risks for not that much of an advantage compared to other "power up" options. I'll also add, it's trivially easy to get said conditions at lower ranks. I pretty much started all my Ryu matches doing denjin charge and only got punished 1 out of 10 times. Easy Master rank. These discussions of character power aren't linear to all skill levels. lol
@muckdriver
@muckdriver 3 ай бұрын
Bisons step also plays into his style while giving him more immediately to use. He gets "extra oki" in a sense. Jamie gains moves but unlike aki and bison he's in neutral while the other 2 are in "advantage"(get rid of the status effect or die, which can lead to rash decisions). Manons medals are the least of her worries from what I recall.
@Calhasnopals
@Calhasnopals 3 ай бұрын
@@Raxyz_0 Absolutely true, even Jamie can hammer out 5HP and get away with war crimes in most ranked groups. But as you fight more and more strong players, they’ll start to exploit these needs that multi-steps have. Just not an issue you need to think about when you can Demon Flip/Jinrai through the problem
@Hurtdeer
@Hurtdeer 3 ай бұрын
@@muckdriver yeah the medals aren't a huge issue because you're basically always trying to get her hitgrab or command grab off where possible, which then end up only rewarding doing it again. And you keep the medals. She never really becomes a better character, or gets increased oki or drive meter rewards- she only really gets capable of more damage off of a fairly linear gameplan
@Hurtdeer
@Hurtdeer 3 ай бұрын
juri springs to mind as the one (imo) well designed step-based character. Deciding to end a combo with stock charge doesn't feel like giving anything up besides a bit more damage, and sometimes you'll even decide to do it when you have full stocks because it's just the preferable option (light fuha stock being a safe ender to a block string for example). She has enough there where you do have to consider your options depending on how you're doing, but you're also not just giving up your entire pressure to get there
@insobyr9779
@insobyr9779 3 ай бұрын
Jamie has privilege throw loop, he's +4 dash up after a throw which is plus enough to shimmy a 5f delayed tech, and +4 also means not punishable by backdash.
@Thisisdell
@Thisisdell 3 ай бұрын
Broski, you make good content brother.
@Asdfgfdmn
@Asdfgfdmn 3 ай бұрын
I love the the plot twist at 1:25 😮😮😮
@bofaybaykweh
@bofaybaykweh 3 ай бұрын
i *really* want sf4 style crouch teching back. imo it eliminates the throw loop problem, but beacause of meaties it still has the strike/throw and OS minigames
@TruGouki
@TruGouki 3 ай бұрын
This thumbnail is amazing and i love it.
@mukd
@mukd 3 ай бұрын
7:15 Only characters with 23F backdashes can punish Juri here (who is at +3). Lily (24F) is +3. Chun, Manon, Marisa, Rashid and Zangief (25F backdashes) are only +2. Juri is +3. Total throw frames = 30F, meaning her meaty throw is only 27F. 27-23 = 4F punish.
@DavyDevil666
@DavyDevil666 3 ай бұрын
Great vid! As someone who's played a lot of Juri I've often struggled to understand why she isn't argued as top 1/3/5 often. This vid explains it nicely. She has alright corner carry, and she does have the instant Jump Medium Punch Dive Kick which hard counters throws, but she lacks the other key points. Very informative!
@TheShackTrack
@TheShackTrack 3 ай бұрын
Jamie: DP: no vertical range CG: no range + 3 drinks CMK: small range Divekick: awful + needs a drink + medium: okayish
@tacocrunchies
@tacocrunchies 3 ай бұрын
some of this is cope but I agree with the general idea that jamie is not good until he has drinks in his system whereas characters like akuma start at "4 drinks"
@Ockword
@Ockword 2 ай бұрын
I came here to get insight to improve my game. Immediately got my main thrown in the dumpster. Now I’m sad. I’m going to watch the whole video, still, but I’ll do it while sad. 😔
@neverrready
@neverrready 3 ай бұрын
I thought I was used to Broski's insane thumbnail game, but even I was unprepared for Goukodia.
@ashlikeadragon
@ashlikeadragon 3 ай бұрын
when they 3-0 me, i think
@tsf7977
@tsf7977 3 ай бұрын
Thanks for this video, lots of interesting nuances
@Gurpwnder
@Gurpwnder 3 ай бұрын
I think the ability to easily confirm into a sideswitch from lights with low meter requirements and good oki, is one of the most privileged things a character can have. The ability to reverse a corner situation without needing to commit as heavily is key. Ken and Cammy off the top of my head spend very little to side swap (Ken's got Dragonlash, Cammy's got Ex Spiral Arrow) and can get good oki and damage to boot to immediately capitalize.
@mclemonn
@mclemonn 3 ай бұрын
i learn a lot with your videos broski 😊
@dsnake10
@dsnake10 3 ай бұрын
Hell of a thumbail if I ever seen one and I take pride on mine.
@degarri7995
@degarri7995 Күн бұрын
I think that the ability to control space effectively and how good your character is at maintaining the position they want to be in is what really makes them strong. Akuma has great space control and is a master of all trades.
@studentoflife8532
@studentoflife8532 3 ай бұрын
One reason I think akuma's throw loop is so broken is that he can meaty with crouch mp and get big damage out of it. Why crouch medium punch is so good? We already know about the huge damage after linking into hp. The biggest factor to me is that it blocks lows automatically and you don't need to confirm the whiffed throw. Many people lose to wake up jumps because they don't confirm the whiff and just throw out say heavy punch after a shimmy and then their heavy attacks got punished by the jumps. 2MP is such a safe option that you can even Anti Air. Crouch mp as a shimmy tool is so good because you can't dp because he'll block it, you can't crouch medium kick dr because he'll react and drive reversal, you cant jab because you're so spaced out he can whiff punish the second jab and counter any mediums you follow up, perfect parry is risky because of the random timing of the attack and you can't jump because he'll AA after the mp recovers. It's practically a guaranteed meaty in conventional settings and if the akuma is on point.
@shaunmcisaac782
@shaunmcisaac782 3 ай бұрын
Going for a tap parry on wakeup against Akuma is made worse by the fact that his walk speed allows him to get the PC throw afterwards for a lot of damage and reset. If he decides to mix it up with command grab you take like 30% off that PC. And if you DO get the PP, your combo gets scaled to the point where even against low health Akuma, it doesn't do too much damage.
@LortOfTheStones
@LortOfTheStones 3 ай бұрын
You don't tell me what not to do! SUBBED
@chrisx742
@chrisx742 3 ай бұрын
Broski, you are the best, most intelligent, coolest streamer who explains things better than everyone else. Natural born teacher. No BS self-promotion or gimmicks. Just infinitely cool explainer of the game.
@thepunisherxxx6804
@thepunisherxxx6804 3 ай бұрын
You are the only person I've seen properly define what makes a character high tier. This was easy to follow and a fantastic video. I'd love to see your tier list and reasons for each character even if its an hour long. Even pros rank on "gut feeling" and very rarely specify WHY someone is low or high like you have. That tier list from Japan is wack btw, some might be accurate but Ken and Akuma not being S tier just is laughable. Zero thought. One note, Ken also has his crazy back throw which rolls the opponent into the corner from such a distance too. Nobody else has that and is just one more tool he has to get you into the corner. I agree that throw loops should be removed. You can still play mind games in the corner without them. One throw and then push the character back a good distance is all that needs to happen if done in the corner, or just tweak everyone's throw recovery. Even when I do it I don't like it.
@theepicgamehead7728
@theepicgamehead7728 3 ай бұрын
Me crying as a Jamie main
@clockworkserpent
@clockworkserpent 3 ай бұрын
Jamie has Drive Optimization off OD Command Throw (Drink 3), Lvl 1, and Lvl3; corner carry with Drink 4 Palm or OD Palm Cancel into lvl 2, not sure about the throw loops but has some drink shenanigans in the corner with forward throw; DR Tick Throw Hard Counter (Drink 1); and if you consider condition special his drinks, then he has that too lol (IM HUFFING COPIUM)
@asasjkk
@asasjkk 3 ай бұрын
I love that out of BOTH your lists, Marisa only has a command grab going for her :)
@CubeItself
@CubeItself 3 ай бұрын
i watched a video earlier today about tekken throw breaks, and personally i dont know anything about tekken personally so when i heard that some throw breaks change the state of neutral or give advantage/disadvantage to the character throwing i found that to be extremely cool and so mufh more interesting given the unique animations when compared to SF6!
@TehTechnoGuy
@TehTechnoGuy 3 ай бұрын
Excellent video. I was surprised throw loop was omitted from your original draft. Also, Guile does not have a (meterless) throw loop without drive rush. Honestly I was kind of expecting fireball to be on the list somewhere. When I started playing the game at launch with manon I felt like I was missing too many of these tools and not really playing the same sf6 as everyone else.
@brifinV
@brifinV 3 ай бұрын
What a video!!Best SF6 content creator.
@VoermanIdiot
@VoermanIdiot 3 ай бұрын
I think it's time for a week's vacation with Jamie so he can in-depth talk smack about the poor creature.
@kycse
@kycse 3 ай бұрын
I love how this list is so heavily geared towards making sure the things don't apply to Jamie.
@chimpmasterflex
@chimpmasterflex 3 ай бұрын
3:38 what a lot of people need to hear. Like I can do corner to corner with Manon, with 5 drive gauges and level 2, but how often am I really gonna do that lol. A lot of the terry defense force, also uses "corner carry" for reasons why he can't be bad, but I think most characters with 3 drive gauges can do half-screen or more.
@dsc5957
@dsc5957 3 ай бұрын
Not a full list, but one attribute I thought of is characters that can go for safe/mostly safe oki every time. Good projectile oki and/or safe jumps + not needing to worry about install mechanics or other “minigames” that take away from the ability to use strong combos and apply constant pressure.
@Nutrient16
@Nutrient16 3 ай бұрын
Squarepheus living rent free in Broski's head
@Bmoney5
@Bmoney5 3 ай бұрын
Thoughtful list. Nuance and intelligent.
@dirtrobot
@dirtrobot 3 ай бұрын
I think the bonus feature is DR speed followed by having a command run. Essentially any bit of kit that can cheaply force a guess (jinrai) is icing on the cake.
@DavidA-uu7mg
@DavidA-uu7mg 3 ай бұрын
I didn’t even know I wasn’t subbed, that unironically got my attention
@KiIIerQueenboom
@KiIIerQueenboom 3 ай бұрын
16:59 jump cancel works with all specials with up input
@femshepFGC
@femshepFGC 3 ай бұрын
“Throws are terrifying in this game” hits extra hard as a Marisa main whose wakeup armor options all result in punish counter damage + down 3 drive bars if they throw 😢
@67awesomekid
@67awesomekid 3 ай бұрын
psychology got me
@SamSarracino-r6q
@SamSarracino-r6q 3 ай бұрын
I believe DJ needs to walk in the throw-loop to be able to shimmy. If you dash, you're committed to block/jab/grab just like Terry.
@magicalgirl1296
@magicalgirl1296 3 ай бұрын
It's fascinating to me that world class players can make tier lists that are basically incomprehensible to other top level players.
@clementcomposer
@clementcomposer 3 ай бұрын
Love your SF6 videos, very helpful! Just a heads up--the vocal audio is a little crunchy and harsh on the ears in this one, maybe something's different in your processing chain. Buff Jamie =)
@diegocero
@diegocero 3 ай бұрын
Hey man, great content as usual. Probably you already know this but if you want to sky rocket your subscribers you should make a lot of shorts.
@ricniclas
@ricniclas 3 ай бұрын
Absolutely agree about EX launchers being strong, Chun Li benefits a lot from it
@FigaroNewton
@FigaroNewton 3 ай бұрын
"Remember to hit that sub button." But Broskiii! You said to not sub to the channel earlier!
@Cassapphic
@Cassapphic 3 ай бұрын
Jamie has the opposite of the point of aggressively skewed rsik reward from setplay. getting a corner knockdown with 3+ drinks he can loop safejump into 50/50s or fake safejump mixups that all loop into the same situation with solid damage, but no one options is so explosive you have to overly respect it like aki and bison.
@RadhiSghaier
@RadhiSghaier 3 ай бұрын
Broski forgot to mention in the case of throw loops Jp is the only character where its scary to attempt to throw loop him
@ElectricTatersFTW
@ElectricTatersFTW 3 ай бұрын
Don't tell me what to do *subscribes
@SupraSayianOfficial
@SupraSayianOfficial 3 ай бұрын
Great video I didn't even know about that Rashid tech you showed haha shit time to hit the lab!
@zeywop
@zeywop 3 ай бұрын
idk i know you said 5 tools but to me it sounds like the tools to be a top tier are -being able to manage gauge more efficiently than your opponents -being able to force skewed risk-reward situations/having meterless anti-rps options
@gameologian7365
@gameologian7365 3 ай бұрын
I pray they make manon overhead airborne frame 1 to counter throws.
@superhyperultra4857
@superhyperultra4857 3 ай бұрын
That Cammy example was exactly Xiaohai was doing during EWC, and the majority of times, it worked, lol
@videouploads4006
@videouploads4006 3 ай бұрын
I think it's fair to say 0 and 4 drinks Jamie are different characters
@marais9243
@marais9243 3 ай бұрын
Incredible video
@munchatize_me
@munchatize_me 3 ай бұрын
I can't wait for S3 to be Yun, Yang, Gen, and Fei Long, bringing some much-needed Jamie nerfs with them
@outlawdg
@outlawdg 3 ай бұрын
like your chat pointed out, jamie needs a drink to do that last 1
@jayro792
@jayro792 3 ай бұрын
I think no 1 should be called “getting the opponent to the corner”, so as to include side switching as well as corner carry.
@branflakes115
@branflakes115 3 ай бұрын
So true!
@Squiddy00
@Squiddy00 3 ай бұрын
Jamie has every important tool once he gets drinks (BIG asterisk obviously), but the biggest problem is that he has bad examples of most of those tools. He has a DP, but it's arguably the worst DP. He has a Divekick, but it's arguably the worst Divekick. He has a command grab, but it's arguably the weakest command grab. He has a plus on block medium, but it's got 8 frames of startup and isn't special cancellable. None of them are *bad*, but they're still weaker examples than those other characters just have from the start of the round.
@fallonrishiva7841
@fallonrishiva7841 3 ай бұрын
I would make a point that Jamie having the option you suggested makes sense, because he is top tier with the exception that its only some of the time. Like imagine if Jamie started with 4 drinks
@lockevalentine997
@lockevalentine997 3 ай бұрын
Hey BTW, I think Chun should be up there with Cammy and Blanka for super privileged options that beat throw. In fact in some ways hers is better. Chun can beat throws with instant air light legs and be -3 on block if shes wrong and +4 on punish counter meaning she gets a light -> medium combo so only sacrifices a little bit of damage in exchange for her option to be completely meterless unlike blanka and cammy.
@AimanCool440
@AimanCool440 3 ай бұрын
(Sad Terry Noise).
@CeilingPanda
@CeilingPanda 3 ай бұрын
You should make a tier list from only these traits and see how different it would be ;)
@JeremeSanders
@JeremeSanders 3 ай бұрын
Unfortunately Jamie can do all of these I think unless the dash up throw loop things, maybe not like the best of them but pretty good. He just needs to be drink 3/4 to do it. Momochi combo for corner carry, palm and bakkai are good too. At drink 4 we can get 3700 meterless, 7242 with CA in the corner by baiting throw whiffs You already talked about the instant air dive kick, he can get safe jumps, corner carry or up to 50% with CA off of the conversion.
@JohnDoe42069
@JohnDoe42069 3 ай бұрын
11/10 thumbnail
@lil----lil
@lil----lil 3 ай бұрын
Luke....come back to the dark side!!
@jesperpersson465
@jesperpersson465 3 ай бұрын
I would argue that Jamie has 2 out of 5 of these traits. He also has a very privileged throw loop, he gets to choose between walk up throw loop and dash throw loop. And with walkup throw loop shimmying is trivial, you are even able to easily get buttons to whiff. And it also allows going for a meaty command grab. He doesn't get a way to set up meaty + frames tho. And while his corner carry is average at best, his Oki is actually top tier. Who else has double dash into +2 point blank after a midscreen ex dp?
@odindarkll3706
@odindarkll3706 3 ай бұрын
Broski: "Don't subscribe." Me: "you're not my father!" *Subscribes* *anyways*
@alfredosalza6328
@alfredosalza6328 3 ай бұрын
Great video!
@Mr_Archer15
@Mr_Archer15 3 ай бұрын
I think the issue is the game is hellbent on making characters unique to a fault. Jamie drinks, manon medals, Honda has a thousand hand stock, ryu denjin, lily windstock etc etc. some characters are just busted out the gate as other commenters have said but lots of them need to do things first before they can be stronger like Jamie’s drinks
@Soupian
@Soupian 3 ай бұрын
Not even gonna lie, the reverse psychology worked… Well played sir 🫡
@kingleonidas2182
@kingleonidas2182 3 ай бұрын
Subscribing not because you told me not to but because of the Jamie bit
@duxnihilo
@duxnihilo 3 ай бұрын
As a low-rated Master player, I never understood pros' tier lists. This is the first video that explained it properly to me why, for example, Cammy is considered so high-tier in this game.
@MrStalyn
@MrStalyn 3 ай бұрын
All throw loops are equal but some are more equal than others.
@kerbonaut2059
@kerbonaut2059 3 ай бұрын
'In Street Fighter 6 Season 2, what makes someone a top tier?'
@olaf8778
@olaf8778 3 ай бұрын
the jamie slander hurts. although its true :(
@brunos5236
@brunos5236 3 ай бұрын
this video made me realise why my juri is ok --- strong, but not on the top
@Ospreynaitor652
@Ospreynaitor652 3 ай бұрын
The fact that not every character has a throw loop is news to me (I am constantly getting thrown as I cannot tech). But hey I guess I know now a throw loop isn't getting thrown over and over again?
@FelipedoAmaral
@FelipedoAmaral 3 ай бұрын
I know it was kinda mentioned in the video in the throw loop section, but I fall for too many shimmys in diferent scenarios from Cammy and Akuma's walk speed, they fcking cover many more things instead of just "dash - walk back"
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