What Makes the 1689 Confession Unique? - Second London Baptist Confession of Faith in comparison

Today we will see how the confession compares to those which came from various other time periods. We will be looking at those of the Reformation era which came before it like the Helvetic, Belgic, and Augsburg Confessions. We will also look at those which came alongside it in the Post-Reformation period like the Westminster, and Savoy, and to those which came after it in the modern period.

[@michaelwolfe8888]

Thank you, David, for your good work on this presentation. Much appreciated!

[@DavidRoush1689]

You're very welcome

[@gailmaylenehill]

Hi David, just watched this video in 2024. I’ve found a church that still sells The 1689 Baptist confession of faith and Baptist catechism (leather bound) in stock so I’ll be ordering a copy soon. Could you confirm the size of this book please L, B and W. Thank you sir. Great content by the way. 😊

[@alexbraham6259]

Just wanted to say thank you for the incredible content and irenic demeanor brother, blessings from Italy!

[@DavidRoush1689]

Thanks, friend

[@filipkegel7839]

It's very informative and also easy to understand, thank you Brother!

[@AmericanShia786]

This video and one you recorded a month earlier on the 1689 LCF were the first two videos by you I ever watched. Two of the reasons why I subscribed to your channel are you views on the 1689 LCF and the way you speak your mind. I intend to watch more of your videos. God bless you, your family, and your congregation.

[@DavidRoush1689]

I appreciate it Bro. Philip

[@garycornwell2431]

Thank you my brother in Christ Jesus, great teaching I am just starting to read the 1689 Baptist confession of faith and I thank you for this video, may GOD bless you and your family with His presence always.

[@DavidRoush1689]

Glad it helped, brother!

[@bethhavenbaptistchurch2774]

Where did you purchase your leather copy of the Confession & Catechism?

[@DavidRoush1689]

They don't make this edition anymore, but Solid Ground Christian Books does have another one in print, the last I knew.

[@youngmoney4770]

Thanks for the video! Can you suggest a lecture/teaching series that works it’s way through the 1689 to get a better grasp of its contents, context, etc. Thanks again!

[@DavidRoush1689]

You're welcome, I enjoyed this one: kzbin.info/aero/PLBVv1CeVb17D5qwCLpMYKjpa7gplspGHG

[@francineclave2207]

I am six months into studying the 1689 Westminster Confessional and I was watching a four part series on world history last night as it dealt with John Churchill and Louis the 14th. It described the military BATTLES again between Catholic’s and Protestants. I was told the 1689 was unique too because the ministers waited to sign it. Some scholars say it was very dangerous for them to sign any confessions before things settled in 1689! I didn’t realize how people were being put to death over these things… and by other CHRISTIANS NO LESS. As people we are a MESS!

[@dougy6237]

Yes, far more English Catholics put to death, hunted, fined, sacked, and anti-Catholic bigotry is still engrained in English Protestant culture

[@jeffcarlson3269]

@francineclave2207 maybe you can explain to me the differences between the Westminister of 1646.. the London of 1689 and the Baptist of 1689... and WHY there are differences... That is what I really want to know.. .. AND what are the years of the London I and London II?.. both from 1689?..are the 2 different?.. if so.,,, HOW..?..

[@jeffcarlson3269]

I really wanted to find out the differences between all the confessions.. more specifically between the Westminister of 1646.. the London confession I of 1689...the London confession II of 1689...?.. and the Baptist confession of 1689... because though the chapter count and articles between the 2 .....the London 1689 and Baptist 1689 one are the same.. the scripture references.. are a little different I appreciate the history given.. but.. I think this video had too many side bits of information.. for me to actually piece together and get my questions answered.. If you could just tell me WHY.. the London one needed to be adopted in the first place...since the Westminister 1646 was still in place........ .... what is the difference in years of creation between the London I and London II... confessions... why is the Baptist one similar to the articles Of the London 1689..but the scriprural references are NOT.. Why after chapter 20 or so .. the London of 1689 and Baptist 1689...differ from the Westminister one of 1646..regarding information...

[@talkintheologicals1689]

Hey Bro found your page yesterday and I’m super enjoying it. Keep it up sir. #1689squad

[@DavidRoush1689]

Thank you kindly!

[@Amomentintheword1]

Great explination Brother David. I love and embrace the 1689. I am leading a Bible study on the 1689 at my church and it is so good to see the intrest that is buidling by the men in my church. I have subscribed to your channel and I am looking forward to veiwing more of your content. Thank You Sir. Darion, Sola Gratia.

[@DavidRoush1689]

Amen, thanks brother. The "Reformed Rookie" KZbin channel has a great series/playlist going through the confession that may be helpful to you. It is the best one I've seen to date.

[@jeffcarlson3269]

@glovergator maybe YOU can explain to me the differences between the London I and the London II.. and why the London 1689 had to change from the Westminister of 1646.... also why the scripture references in the Baptist 1689.. are Not all exactly like the London 1689... I am severely puzzled and bothered.. about why these changes.. were made...is there some sort of church split going on that caused this?..any info would be helpful...

[@jeffcarlson3269]

@@DavidRoush1689 link please.... I canot find the video just by trying to search thru his library... please post the link to lead me directly to the video explaining all the confessions... or at least the Baptist...London Westminister ones.. thanks..

[@DrewHuggins423]

It would be cool to see a comparison between 1689 and the Baptist Faith and Message of 2000

[@DavidRoush1689]

Yea, brother I wouldn't mind seeing someone make that video too. I wouldn't be the best one to do so currently because, never have been in a Southern Baptist church, I'm fairly unfamiliar with BFM 2000.

[@DrewHuggins423]

@@DavidRoush1689 ah got you. I grew up in a southern Baptist church as a Reformed Baptist.

[@jeffcarlson3269]

@drewhugginsmusic423 your statement from about a year ago.. "It would be cool to see a comparison between 1689 and the Baptist Faith " 1689... add in the Westminister 1646... Yes I want to know this as well..the big question I have is WHY?..

[@richardbrown238]

Although he died in 1688 would you say John Bunyan would have been a supporter of the 89 confession?

[@DavidRoush1689]

That's a good question. I'm not sure. I love Bunyan, and so far as I know he affirmed Baptism for believers by immersion. His church, however, affirmed a kind of open membership allowing for other "modes" of baptism. If one wanted to pursue this more you could try and track down if Bunyan's church sent representatives to affirm/adopt the confession at the assembly of Reformed Baptists in 1689.

[@kylebrotzel]

Got the book too. A long with the Reformation Heritage Study Bible

[@dennisgrimski7892]

Why do you think the 1689 authors changed one word from the Westminster in Section 18.1? It troubles me. The Westminster states “hypocrites” but the BCF states “temporary believers.” 18.1: “Although temporary believers, and other unregenerate men, may vainly deceive themselves with false hopes and carnal presumptions of being in the favour of God and state of salvation, which hope of theirs shall perish;”… To me, it’s a pure Arminian belief that is being subtly espoused, and is antiscriptural. You either are a converted regenerated believer, or an unbeliever as the clause indicates. What are your thoughts?

[@johnbeasley7654]

What is the confessions position on the nation Israel? I'm just now learning what dispensationalism and non dispensationalism is. Where do those holding this confession stand on the Israel and the millennial kingsom?

[@DavidRoush1689]

Hello brother, I just noticed your question now even though you posted it two weeks ago. There are various views on the millennium, but those who holds to either the 1689 or the Westminster confession of faith would affirm that God's purpose for Israel is largely fulfilled in the coming of Christ. There is a good series by Brandon Adams on covenant theology and dispensationalism on KZbin.

[@DavidRoush1689]

Another thing you can look up, which is a position held by many who hold to the 1689, is called 1689 Federalism -- Brandon Adams and Samuel Renihan are good sources for this topic.

[@TheApologeticDog]

that BEARD though!

[@DavidRoush1689]

Thanks friend

[@richardbetancourt6315]

Does anyone know why it's the 'Second' LBC?

[@DavidRoush1689]

The Baptists published a confession of faith in the 1640's. Later in the century the Baptists acknowledged and substantially agreed with what was written in the first. Greater detail and explanation is found in the brief 'to the reader" preface fixed to most copies of the 1689 ("Second LBCF")

[@richardbetancourt6315]

@@DavidRoush1689 Thank you sir!

[@richardbetancourt6315]

@@DavidRoush1689 Just received my 1689 LBC from Solid ground! Any recommendations on how to go through it?

[@DavidRoush1689]

I'd read the letter to the reader at the beginning and the short introduction by Renihan. I suggest you then just read it through. If you have any questions as you move along feel free to reach out.

[@richardbetancourt6315]

@@DavidRoush1689 Hey, I got my 1689 from SGB! I enjoyed it but haven't read through the whole catechism yet. I'm somewhat new to reformed theology and I wanted to ask for your help concerning the covenant chapter. Mainly, the difference between dispensationalism and covenant theology. I'm not sure I understand either side completely so wanted to ask and see if you can help provide some clarity to both or either side? Thank you for your videos and your help, God be with ye!

[@markshaneh]

What is really disturbing That people somehow think that any of this is relevant to the human condition and Gods salvation Men glorifying men Again, if you’re in the reformed camp, you’re still in Adam.

[@mikecude4167]

Eternal security is another point of difference with the Presbyterians.

[@DavidRoush1689]

How so?

[@thefaithfullservantemmanue8227]

It’s a copy of the Westminster confessions of faith, can’t really say it’s unique.

[@DavidRoush1689]

I'd say it's unique.

[@jalapeno.tabasco]

what makes it unique is it copies the good parts of the WCF and just adds in wrong parts 🤣🤣

[@humbledservant9693]

Unique in the sense that it reformed what WCF didn’t reform on 😂

[@jalapeno.tabasco]

@@humbledservant9693 you spelled DEFORMED wrong

[@humbledservant9693]

@@jalapeno.tabasco ok, correction: The 2LBCF is unique in the sense that it reformed in what the WCF deformed on 😉

[@jalapeno.tabasco]

@@humbledservant9693 baptists covet the "Reformed" title so bad yet refuse to actually be Reformed no thanks, i'm not a theological transgender, words have meaning