What MGTOW Gets Wrong

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Thoughts on this video or any personal experiences on MGTOW? Post a comment below. Channel Sponsor: You're showering anyways, so why not buy handmade soap from a sponsor that supports the creation of my content. Use code "COOPER" at checkout and Get 10% off Tactical Soap mentioned at the end of the video here: bit.ly/2jQEZbz If you want to join us at the 21 convention this fall, you can grab a ticket here: team.21university.com/78641/6171 Make a reach.me request: www.reach.me/RichardCooper Get 1 on 1 coaching with me: clarity.fm/richardcooper

[@thaYESKIMO]

You should check out Mark Passio's femenism presentation

[@jasonaanonson8539]

Mgtow makes sense to me cause it's a mixture of risk AND value. The risk is very high (although can be lessened to an extent with red pill knowledge) and I perceive women's value to be very low in any romantic or sexual context. That's my own view of "the juice isn't worth the squeeze." Low reward and high risk doesn't make any sense to me. In any other area of life those 2 are the same. Ex. If you take on a lot of risk investing, the payoff could potentially be bigger and vice versa. Perhaps some of you red pill guys put higher value on relationships with women. Personally, I don't.

[@hermanatorb47]

While I do understand the concept of MGTOW, I do not find it to be good philosophy for long term happiness. Being a twenty something who has been at the receiving end of a false accusation by a former girlfriend and thankfully been able to recuperate MGTOW does provide a solid temporary platform to recuperate following the unthinkable. But now being “red pill” or Self aware it is incredibly difficult to get back in the marketplace after taking some time to put myself back together. While the marketplace does not look as appetizing as it did before, how does one find a virtuous woman despite the modern materialism and the often combative nature of women today?

[@Layman927]

+Avery Herman you don't. NAWALT hunting is futile, it's a waste of time. You're hunting for a unicorn that doesn't exist in today's society. You can never be perfectly happy in life, but you can be content as a MGTOW if you have close male friends to do things with and stay active and have a dog at home for love. Dogs love unconditionally, and people have incredibly close bonds with their pets. The only thing a woman offers you is her body, and she wants to put out only enough to lock you down and then cut you off completely. You need to accept the fact that women are fundamentally broken and that you are responsible for your own happiness.

[@Layman927]

once you see the matrix for what it is you can never unsee it.

[@mdm5216]

MGTOW is not a group, movement or organization. It's about going your "own" way.

[@SaintTrinasTorch]

That would be Man Got His Own Way, but instead it's Men Going Their Own Way. It's a collective. If not, then correct me if I'm wrong. If a man decides to date women, and remain on the "plantation," is he not going his own way?

[@modernhypocrisy580]

Agreed, red pill rage shouldn't be a thing. As a man, just do you for a change

[@justinsarfo829]

It's a philosophy.

[@mikereiss4216]

It's more of a mindset then anything else.

[@georgeedward1226]

Exactly. By definition it's not any formal group. It's a philosophy.

[@blthetube1]

Chris Rock Joke.... "A woman sees a man and his dog living on the street and she feels sorry for the dog"

[@atomicgeisha]

dogs are loyal while people cheat

[@greenstonewolf8343]

Hahahah

[@mrluvit8232]

😆🤣😆🤣

[@jvolc]

❤

[@qua7771]

Men should have their shit together, but many don't. Women should be respectful, but they usually aren't.

[@TheLocknLoadChannel]

I was married 26 years got divorced and lost everything! I am now out of the game and happy to be done with women! They are just too much trouble and absolutely not worth the hastle

[@LiftOffLife]

Dark Raven Spot on. Google the documentary " Divorce Corp"

[@FazeParticles]

i appreciate your sacrifice. it will be remembered. i wish you well and i wish your enemy (your ex) ill. cheers.

[@martymcfly5423]

"I was married 26 years ... " Whoa, i feel sorry for you ^^

[@SuperMagnum83]

Didn't you know that the family courts are designed to strip the man of everything? I knew in my mid teens that marriage was a terrible deal for men just by existing in this culture, interesed to know why other men are blind to this.

[@angelbunny8681]

Why did you get married and why did you stay so long if it was so horrible (I think marriage should be illegal btw so...)?

[@swinedog712]

If Mgtow is not your thing, don’t do it. There. Problem solved. Wasn’t that easy?

[@nylocks8433]

Yeah but for him it's all about money, he can't make money off MGTOW if they aren't willing to play the game. He wants MGTOW to go back and start playing the PUA game, so he can sell us advice and books on how to play his game.

[@swinedog712]

Nylocks Good point. I suppose to a PUA marketer, MGTOW is like what vegetarianism is to a guy who owns a chain of steak restaurants . LOL

[@piyakhebisonii1001]

VERY!

[@scumbagmgtowmonk4251]

@@swinedog712 perfect example lol

[@estudodasescriturasdoshebr8669]

There are blue pill and purple pill available.

[@ferndog1461]

I've seen 50% of my high school /college friends get divorce raped. Some are workaholics, some were happy with the status quo. I saw both types age in front of my eyes. They were not perfect men, but witnessing them being financially & emotionally battered is enough for me to bow out. I enjoy the channel. Peace.

[@pamabrah]

We are not all monk. The only rules are dont marry and don’t cohabitate. MGTOW!

[@mjohnson1741]

@@jaylee6769 Nothing wrong will loving a woman either, just don't get married.

[@jayjenkins7425]

@@jaylee6769 sounds pretty red pill to me...dont ever change!

[@jayjenkins7425]

@Transcendent Sacred Courage long as he's not a blue pill, mangina, simp! I really can't blame em for slut making.

[@jaylee6769]

@Sound Engineer Звукоинженер no it doesn't. it just means you haven't fully walked away from women. I believe like 90% of red pill truths. I just like keeping women around for sex. I believe their nature is mostly corrupt and not beneficial to men in this day and age. but I don't see any problem banging them

[@jaylee6769]

@@Ash-if7uw you sound bitter

[@BLB048]

"Married men work harder than single men." True. "Men who deal with women work harder than Monk men." Also true. Probably for similar reasons, especially considering the expenses modern women seem to demand from their dates. Slaves work harder than free men, after all.

[@qua7771]

I'm not so sure about that. I'd say hard working men are more likely to attract women. I've been single half my adult life, and work at the same rate regardless. I can dedicate more energy when I'm single.

I think the main reason men get into the way of converting to sex dolls is that they don't want to accept the reality of what 85% of women have been and are- prostitutes. Women don't love the same way men love. Women love for what's in their best interest at the time with little regard for the future no matter who or what life it can ruin. Men want "forever" love. This love is ONLY for the children of the woman. The man has no more privilege to this unless the woman is either a genuinely decent woman, or has severely low self-esteem. The hard part is converting to understanding this is how women are programmed, no matter how much you love them or what void they filled in your life, they are always fishing for the next best thing as long as they know the next best thing is consistant and loyal.

[@Layman927]

Sex is transactional by nature, women have the sex that men are hard-wired to crave, and men have resources and provisioning that women crave. Creates a real simple exchange. Deep down in their lizard brains, women know this. They are all whores. They fuck for dinner, they fuck for money, opportunity, security, you name it.

[@Macheako]

@@Layman927 please understand. Modern advertising is bringing this horny goat out of all of us. Every layer of society is attacking men both monetarily and psychologically. We need to start fighting back.

[@Macheako]

Layman The thing men don't "get" today is that nature wins out.......always. So if we're not repopulating our country, somebody else abso-fucking-lutely will. Nothing in life just "goes away" unless it either kills itself, or is killed off by something else. We created a system which far outlasts any single man's time on this earth. So "waiting" for it to die off seems like nothing more than a whimsical fucking Disney dream at this point. It needs to be killed.

[@Skweepa]

Music!, Women value relationships over power, influence and money. They value relationships with their kids, with other women, with men. You can see it when they are caregivers for free (caring for elderly and children FOR FREE because they value closeness, connection, commitment, relationship). Men don't do this as often. Being less power-seeking doesn't mean she's a ho, maybe it means she values something you may not value as much (if she's a good person, she's only asking for respect her preference to prioritize relationships over skills and power and that you manage your own needs and willingness to share your strengths/power rather than filling yourself with disdain for HER CHOICE how to live.). Immaturity happens, but it's definitely not 80% of women who care only about getting perks from others.

[@clbaird40]

W Radford very well stated and true.

[@Lateralus46x2]

Been through divorce and years with a BPD gf... would I ever get married again, absolutely not even if it meant losing someone due to an ultimatum. I have incredibly strong boundaries, zero tolerance for bs, and a long list of deal breakers. More than anything now I value peace of mind, quiet and my sanity... put whatever label you want on it, I really don’t give a $hit but it’s my way and I’m loving it. 🍻

[@MrHemi4spd]

Jesus, sounds just like I wrote that.

[@scottlopez9822]

And your bank account is growing and growing and growing

[@dimmudimmu8512]

Do they all have bpd?! Damn

[@billyg.2677]

dimmu dimmu a lot of guys call every crazy chick BPD but the numbers are concerning. My ex goes the mental hospital every few months so I know I met a real one lol. Choose wisely

[@linkwaker10]

@@dimmudimmu8512 If they don't have BPD then they'll likely have some sort of Cluster B personality defect for sure, especially the ones that are under the sight of scope until way later.

[@HappyHumbleHermit]

You acknowledge that men have to be a utility in some form to attract a woman, be it physically or financially, and still choose to shape yourself into the best form of a utility to attract women.

[@chinogambino9375]

If you improve physically those are gains you can keep for yourself, you are only a utility for women if you waste time just for them. If I have to start trying to attract women with money then I'm just going to pay an honest prostitute.

[@user-fq2hp3xz2g]

Epic 😂

[@user-xe6gx6wh4g]

At the end of the day he's still just a simp.

[@debize53]

Some blue pillers here saying he does it for himself. Ok maybe, but truth is: if you are a pua navigating the smp, it means that you obviously care about women's validation.

[@John_Smith100]

Falcon Black MGTOW Rollo got married, but isn't suggesting guys get married today. "do as I say, not as I did"

[@HeedAndSucceed]

Mgtow is a great thing

[@fredrickm4436]

yes it is.

[@fredrickm4436]

haha, says a future mgtow.

[@fredrickm4436]

I'm a mgtow for 5 years and get way more pussy from women that guys would give their whole checks to. what in hell makes you think all mgtows don't get with women?

[@naydsoe27]

Devonte Moericke No. He just realized its not worth the effort for these thots

[@mattlee2899]

HeedAndSucceed for dysgenics and for white demographics to decline. We need to reinstate the patriarchy and destroy the welfare state. That is our only solution.

[@stormgazer418]

Quick question. You acknowledge that the laws are crap and there is zero likelihood that women will lift a finger to change the situation. Your answer for this is to just be aware of the risks and be better at navigating them? You do realize that's like saying "Yeah, I realize there's a minefield that is capable of maiming me irrevocably or even ending my life. I don't have to enter the minefield, but because I'm a man and I have to take risks, I'm going to enter the minefield with full awareness of the risks and just be super careful about where I put my feet." Do you realize how insane you sound?

[@FrankCastle-tq9bz]

It sounds even crazier once you understand that there's nothing of value on the other side of the "minefield" worth the risk in the first place..

[@b-41subject57]

Frank Castle exactly

[@timothyblazer1749]

As far as "with great work comes great success" ok... talk to me about Robin Williams, one of the most successful Comedians of all time. He committed suicide. He had 3 ex wives who were draining him of resources. He couldn't retire, or he would have gone to jail. He is gone because of this system. So many men commit suicide because of divorce, it's uncountable. And don't tell me "they just didn't do it right". Sorry friend, thats a "no true scotsman" fallacy. Try again. It's the SYSTEM. Women are not the problem.

[@mommabear5059]

Death Angel he also had early stages of Alzheimer’s.

[@averybaumann]

The majority of the population has some problem but often they are just labeled as stupid or lazy. When someone is talented it becomes more obvious and his success made robing williams a big target, he was paying 4 divorce settlements and despite earning a fortune he was having problems remembering his lines and was deathly afraid of being jailed forever for not being able to pay. He was so scared, he didn't jump from a chair breaking his neck, he leaned forward self strangling himself slowly with his hands loose, he could have just stood up any time to save himself.

[@muziktrkr]

Robin was losing motor skills - he was an avid bike rider and he rode some pretty tough, hilly areas in the Bay Area, his mind was starting to go. He also had lifelong depression issues that he talked about - the interviews where he was being genuine and not clowning around revealed a lot.

[@timothyblazer1749]

None of the statements about Robin Williams being Ill mean his ex wives didn't kill him. It means they didn't give a fuck about him, or the fact that he was growing frail and unable to meet the court ordered payments. So it makes them even WORSE harpies. They never stopped, even while his health was failing. They gave him no comfort AT ALL. I am sick and tired of this white knighting for his ex wives. They were blood sucking leeches, and the fact that they never stopped draining him, even while they all knew he was ill, tells me just how sociopathic they truly were. And none of it could have happened if the system were not the way it is.

[@Trazynn]

I don't necessarily agree but it's insanely valuable for young men to receive counterpoints to monolithic ideas, as getting caught up in them is often the biggest source of regret once they get older.

[@lazerlord9324]

If critical analysis is the objective I agree. I would like to think MGTOW is based on logic, without partisanship.

[@mgtowbooboo8530]

mgtow is not a monolithic idea

[@Trazynn]

There's just nothing worse than waking up one day and realising that along with the life you thought was your only choice, countless other choices you never even considered were open to you. Any idea can be presented as the only valid path to take, and MGTOW ambassadors are especially prone to this. Which isn't bad in and of itself, after all, MGTOW is a response to the monolithic idea that every man needs a woman to be complete, an idea that causes a lot of regret to older guys, and feelings of isolation to younger guys.

[@Delimon007]

+decentradical incorrect, MGTOW does not mean to not interact with women, MGTOW is the best route to take because it helps you focus on yourself and your wellbeing so that you will not have regrets as you grow older from making mistakes that you cannot take back

[@mjohnson1741]

@@Delimon007 Sounds more like self esteem?

[@user-xe6gx6wh4g]

C'mon man. You seem to have the bucks for material stuff ie the cars and obviously like to flaunt it. The fact that women notice the car and then they notice you doesn't matter at all as long as you get some validation. One PUA on a talk program that you guys did once, I don't recall the video exactly, said that you should try to get at least 4000 followers on instagram to impress women LOL! Are you guys kidding? Most men are willing to work hard and take care of a family because they are good. If they lose their job or get hurt and they can't provide all the goodies honey wants then they will be thrown out with the trash and replaced over the weekend by someone who can. Why do you put so much value in spending time with women anyways besides sex? Is it because you enjoy shopping for shoes or watching chick flicks? Are you willing to take her out to a live performance of Grease, Rocky Horror or Dirty Dancing? Yes woman have great taste LOL! They may look different on the outside but inside they are all the same and behave in a herd. Ever hear her say 'everybody's doing it'? And then there's Valentines day, her birthday, Christmas and now International Womens Day. Why not add one more kiss her ass day? I remember a guy who's wife had an affair on him because he spent too much time on his computer. This was in the days before windows when computers were hard to use so women had no interest in them at all. It wasn't until after windows and smart phones came along that you'll never see a chick on the street who doesn't have her face tied to the phone. My point here is that not all men have a lambo and can out-compete the other orbiters who give her attention on Instagram and Facebook. When she gets bored with the guy she's been with there's a whole crew of men feeding her attention on the phone. Most of your followers are here because they see a guy with nice cars living the good life. Yes, you dabble in red pill philosophy but you can still end up getting burned by women and you're like a hanging fruit. Your biggest problem is that you are a show off who gets high on validation. So take that nice piece of ass for a ride and make a video. I'm sure you'll get lots of views. MGTOW'S have no illusions about it though. They see it for what it is. Paid for. Cheers, my brother.

[@dreadedsage8630]

So having good things and being proud to show it off because you earned it means you are seeking validation from women? Ok buddy

[@dreadedsage8630]

@Transcendent Sacred Courage imagine calling someone a cuck when they are right

[@fightdhr8866]

@Transcendent Sacred Courage lol..nice 1

[@Punkpsychobilly]

@Dreaded Sage, seeking validation from anyone by showing off your material possessions shows that you’re highly insecure. So no, you’re not right.

[@dreadedsage8630]

@@Punkpsychobilly you can look at it that way if you want I guess but personally it's more or a pride thing for me I couldn't care less about validation....

[@BlahBlahPoop617]

Any man who has experience in life has suffered pain and trauma. When people say that MGTOW men subscribe to that philosophy because of pain and trauma, it’s not a bad thing. Pain and trauma is the logical response to a bad situation. Everyone experiences it. That’s life. The problem is staying in that pain and letting it consume you. Men who stay in that mindset are not self-actualized and thus don’t subscribe to MGTOW philosophy. I think the main thing with MGTOW that many men don’t understand is that women are not the be-all-end-all. Men seek purpose and spending most of your time and life worshipping women or finding the next way to be able to get with them gets old to men who seek more purpose in their lives. As someone who has spent most of his young years as a PUA (31 now), I have got to the point where women just don’t interest me anymore. I’ve seen it all and done it all. All women are the same to me. None of them stand out. Women are now boring to me. They don’t give me purpose. I think that’s MGTOW in a nutshell. And most blue pill men won’t understand this because they either have no purpose or their bar of purpose in life is set so low that it is limited to animalistic pleasure seeking of women. I don’t avoid women entirely either. And sex dolls will never be my thing. But at the same time, marriage will never be fore me and the main focus of my life revolves on things far better than women and if I come across a women who I click with, I’ll look at it as a short ride that will not last indefinitely and that I don’t want to build my life around it. People including women should supplement your life if you want them to; they shouldn’t be the very substance of your life/purpose. This is the mistake many men make.

[@jaredfontaine2002]

Sex is not important. We would not have any technology, etc if all men just wanted sex. Men should leave society and improve themselves. I am a cyclist and I enjoy riding my bike and improving my riding.

[@incapaisa]

I don’t get it, how much pain and trauma must one endure? Richard you have been divorced and heartbroken by a single mother. After that trauma you still seek relationships you are a stronger man than me. I have been in 4 ltrs and spent thousands of dollars, and time and heartbreak. So do I continue the cycle and seek a 5th relationship or just walk away and enjoy my freedom and life in peace. For some men the juice is worth the squeeze and for others it isn’t. I am in good shape, a runner body as I run a lot, career is good and 0 debt. Yeh I will date or hook up but for the most part I don’t form a serious relationship. For me I don’t want kids so no point in marriage or long term relationship. If she wants more I just walk. So mgtow is just a rational choice to walk away. Women won’t change and the laws won’t change, Being red pill aware and eyes wide open helps but still the drama, nagging, time and cost is not worth it too me. I respect you and rollo and the red man group, you guys do a great service. Taking the red pill, improving yourself, etc should be done only for yourself, not for the validation or approval of a female.

[@Macheako]

Do you respect commitment or blind addiction? Because it isn't obvious to me.

[@ShalltearSw33t]

incapaisa .....you say you will " date and hook up" but what if you get one or two of them pregnant, is it worth 18 years of child support ...just wondering .

[@incapaisa]

yeh i do wear condoms provided my own and it does suck but some condom action better than no action. I make sure to dispose of the condom and wash out with water before it goes in the trash. Lifestyles Skyn is nice and strong..and feels as best as you can without going raw.

[@incapaisa]

Very nice reply: Look its a rigged game Divorce rate @ 50-55%. where the woman is filing for divorce from 70%-80% Custody of Children 92% to the woman Prenups are thrown out all at the discretion of the judge. Don't pay child support go to jail while the money can go to the woman and she can spend it how she wants to whether the child gets any benefit from it or not its fine. After all that you will be lucky to see your kids 1/2 a month and sometimes on supervised visitation as if you are a monster and not a loving caring dad. A bias Family Court where woman is granted all the power and influence One false rape or domestic violence accusation can ruin your career, finances(spent in court defending yourself) all with 0 proof and just base on a female's sole word Throw in hookup culture, dating apps, tinder, Instagram and just know the average female will have 10- to 50 options available to her thus all concept of monogamy is further destroyed since men become disposable and replaceable to the average female. Even a fat obese woman will have plenty of options and men chasing her. Then what you have left is plenty of single mothers and woman who just ride the cock carousel with no repercussions since there will be another man to replace you till she hits the wall. You are quantifying "emotions" with a rational and logical choice made base on stats and past experience with woman on why I am walking away. I agree we humans seek a relationship and men hope to form a nuclear family and pass their genes on. But when the laws, society and women are incentivized to destroy this nuclear family for their own benefit and gain a rational choice is too walk away. This decision is not made based on emotions but rather based on logic. I have 5 friends who are married and have kids, and all 5 of them tell me don't do it. All of them are workhorses working 50-70 hours a week all to provide for their family. Then they get home and have to cook or order out takeout food and sacrifice so much for their kids. Thanks to feminism wives no longer do their part in the household or do the bare minimum. Are they happy? Yeah for their kids but seeing these men sacrifice so much is not something I want to do. Then 4 of my friends who been divorced, work 2-3 jobs, and live in the worst shit hole neighborhood or with a bunch of roomates(strangers) just to survive since after all the alimony/child support and debt incurred in the court fees they are just surviving. One friend of mine lived in his car for the year and I housed him in the winter months in my basement. So all I can do is live my life and based on my past experience with woman and seeing observable reality among my friends and peers I just choose not to partake in this rigged game. By all means convince me otherwise. You can be red pill and use red pill strategies and hold frame and all that techniques but at the end of the day woman are the gate keepers of sex, relationships, and fertility. Woman being empowered and privileged in this society basically null and void all those red pill strategies. Yeh the red pill can get you a good woman but a woman can go from good to bad to horrible at any given point. Now being MGTOW is a choice, a reluctant choice but a logical, rational choice nonetheless. If men want to play this rigged game then more power to them, they are stronger than me and I will admit that. Me I had my fun and had my heartbroken enough where the juice is just not worth the squeeze for me. If it is for you than good luck brother

[@b1121]

incapaisa that’s a woman you are talking to. She’s trying to emotionally pleading with you to come back to the plantation and be her slave boi.

[@PatronHall]

Here's why you're wrong: 1. Any person, man or woman, can reach their best self on their own, without a romantic relationship. This has happened over and over throughout history and happens today. Any implication that you NEED a relationship as proof of self-work is false and deleterious. 2. Personal Risk should not be associated with INTERPersonal Risk. You CANNOT control other people. That's not a risk, that's a guarantee. It's about what level of influence you'll allow other people to have in your life. 3. Whether or not you go MGTOW is your personal choice, but every person should be encouraged to become strong enough to become MGTOW and not feel deficient without dealing with women(or men if you're gay or a woman.) Your argument is amounting to "I know a lot of strong guys and they all deal with women and it's just better." No offense, but that's a little silly, man. I still like your work and appreciate what you do, but this is not sound philosophical footing.

[@axegod8613]

Wrong. It's extremely easy to control people.

[@averybaumann]

he is using shaming language-"real men take risks" because he can't refute the facts yet he charges lawyer level fees for phone consulting and 2600 dollar conferences promoting pua material they admit does not work, he is using smoke and mirrors to cover the snake oil scam he is charging 10's of thousands to send men into the legal death trap they think he has prepared them for.

[@rudiekazu]

​@@axegod8613 disagree....you can Manipulate people....but you cant control how they will react

[@kunalhak4035]

Well said and understood, Brother!

[@dreadedsage8630]

It is easy to control people and some people need the support of a signoficant other for motivation js

[@peedinkus389]

You are in no position to tell if another man's self-actualization is possible without female approval seeking.

[@texashermit1946]

Hermit,eternal bachelor, MGTOW, the concept and ideology has been around for as long as men have existed, the title is irrelevant.

[@naskrajuciszy]

is looks like a glorified dating coach is criticising men for going their own way, because that is limiting his client base...

[@tranzorz6293]

@shazam679 lol.. exactly what I was thinking.

[@dokithecat1962]

I think you really lost the plot on what TFM was saying and should rewatch that conversation. I doubled back to it at your first mention and some of the things you suggest TFM said... he didn’t. The points you say he was trying to make... he didn’t. You’re welcome to criticize MGTOW and the men in it and the philosophy, but drawing your own conclusions about it and then criticizing those conclusions in a vacuum away from reality is a dishonest way to go about it, mate.

[@genusmusa510]

I do not have any burden of performance other than what I want to do. Men no longer need to jump through hoops for a left wing state and gynocentric laws. Our choice and believe me it's a good logical one.

[@JasonJayJJ1]

You don't put your hand on a hot stove, so that's why you don't get married. The only time I like that sizzling sound is at a steak place.

[@dtbristol]

Look at the stats and you can mitigate your risk substantially. Marry a virgin from a complete family is a good start. Also, don't be afraid to look outside your country for a suitable partner.

[@lazerlord9324]

With all due respect I don't think that's good advice. "Marry a virgin from a good family"? What is this, Middle Earth?

[@lazerlord9324]

+ Handyman101 fact

[@gooddaymate1171]

you have a link to the IG meltdown?

[@nylocks8433]

Yeah well a MGTOW has learned their lesson, therefore a PUA can't make money off of him. PUAs make their money by telling people "touch that burning stove again and again saying the stove will cool off eventually"

[@FirstNameLastName-wo7li]

I don't think I support MGTOW fully but I definitely lean that way. But I did check out of the sex market for a large variety of reasons, I don't see a problem with that decision.

[@brandonpatterson5717]

Very Well Educated Let us not forget MGTOW is not a movement, it's a choice, there are so many different factions because humans cannot help but fall back on tribalism. You can support MGTOW fully but not anyone philosophy. For example, you don't have to support the perpetual red pill ragers because, it becomes endlessly annoying at a certain point but you can shop various other men for philosophy and how to move forward. Honestly, Rich is kind of MGTOW, just his idea of it is different, therefore he doesn't float flag. Sorry for the long post.

[@FirstNameLastName-wo7li]

Brandon Patterson I like long post when there is some knowledge behind it. And I agree.

[@SWIFTzTrigger]

Which parts do you disagree with? out of curiosity?

[@FirstNameLastName-wo7li]

SWIFTzTrigger I like MGTOW. I like being aware of what's happening. But I guess I'm a mgtow, but with a personal touch. Yes that sounds really dumb, but that's the best I can describe it.

[@SWIFTzTrigger]

Thats not dumb I'm pretty sure your own personal touch is going YOUR own way.

[@centraltendency5343]

It is obvious from the video that you do not understand MGTOW fully. What's even more obvious, is that you do not understand statistical distributions at all. Groups in nature are NOT equality distributed, yet you expect all of MGTOW men to think, talk, and behave in the same way. My point is that you are basing you points on a small subset of MGTOW's, yet shaming MGTOW as a whole for their differences. MGTOW has three central tenets: Don't Marry. Don't Cohabitate. And for the love of God, do not get a woman pregnant. Anything else beyond that, is as different as each men that accepts the MGTOW philosophy.

[@paulwhite760]

It's my 25th anniversary...25yr ago , I got rid of the missus , the mortgage, her friends and relatives , the pets and the metal box with wheels. I work for myself , for 20 hr/week and I answer to no one ; not even the buffoons in their masonic clown outfits + popguns. I studied the law and now I pay no tax. When people ask me what I do at parties , I say ...I do as I please. I am associated with image of a bad boy , which is not true because I just don't care. As the sufis said...the trick is to be in the world but not of it. My life is one of design. So choose your own smorgasbord. Cheers all

[@mxws4782]

I think everyone has a personal bias to tell you to go "their way". Just listen and learn from as many men as possible, know the current environment and the rewards and consequences built in, protect yourself and live the life that suits YOU.

[@AngelaLanglotz]

I love the concept of becoming the best version of yourself; this is a great message for both men and women. I enjoy these videos and appreciate the male perspective on these issues. Things have gotten completely out of hand; these "gender wars" make me feel sad. Men and women are not served by these.

[@jdsartre9520]

it's likely the 'gender' conflict has been imposed and engineered from the top by the controllers, just like the race conflict, and other phantom 'threats out there'. Divide and conquer. Pit em against each other so they don't see the real oppression and subjugation

[@Anonymous-ki5ix]

48 No wife , No ex wife ,No kids......No struggle or stress.

[@06livefast]

Not MTGOW but spin plates. My sex life, bank account, schedule, and sanity haven’t been healthier.

[@06livefast]

Jurassicparkrules96 when a plate comes crashing down, you find another. Similar to business, nothing is certain. You can never kick your feet up and say you’re done. You have to expect that those plates will end.. that’s part of the point of spinning plates.. is to still get laid, to keep women away from your residence, business/finances, emotions for manipulation, to avoid LTR’s (in most cases) and to always remain in control as to when it ends is on your terms so you can focus on self development as your number one priority; which is why you should spend just as much time networking and recruiting new plates as you do with the plates you already/currently have going.

[@jackwalsh5734]

There have always been men who have "checked out" of the SM to pursue their own goals in life and achieved great things without the comforts and input of women in their lives. Most women these days offer very little value to a man's life. They are not trained in the domestic arts of old and many of them only want to have 1 or no children and even then not until they are well into twenties and beyond. While redpill knowledge will greatly increase your abilities to perceive the wheat from the chaff, the legal system is still set up to completely fuck men over at a woman's whim and it is getting worse every year. Having to constantly try and outwit your woman's Hypergamy so she won't leave you while holding down a job and keeping you (and her) fed, clothed and housed seems like a tall order for most men these days, especially when the price of failure is so unacceptably high. The institution of marriage is dead because men have no authority over their women and children. Even the RMG routinely counsel against getting married or even living with a woman, so what does that leave? And endless stream of dead-end LTR's? At what point do we accept that we are just fulfilling a biological or emotional thirst by being with women? And is sating that thirst really worth the time and effort it takes to get it (the juice and squeeze). I see MGTOW as more of a macro-strategy for dealing with a Gynocentric social order (or Female Primacy) while the red man group and those with similar outlooks adopt more of a micro-strategy for dealing with it. We both recognize the problem and there is a place and value for both strategies so we are not opposed, per se, we just approach the solutions to the problem differently.

[@FrankCastle-tq9bz]

1. MGTOW isn't about "dropping out fo the sexual marketplace" so much as it is about seeing this thing for what is and deciding what your interests in it are while refusing to play the traditional "game" (i.e. monogamy) - this *can* include a withdrawal from it (like the "monks" do), this might include finding an alternative sexual outlet (such as hentai porn or dolls - RGE and TFM love those things...), this might include simply purchasing sexual favors directly (I for one love my "massage" parlors) or it might be a combination of the above depending upon circumstances. 2. MGTOW isn't necessarily a product of "trauma" with female relationships - MGTOW like me have never found the prospect of monogamy all attractive (not even in the days of my youth), not because I "hate women" (well, no more than I hate other homo sapiens anyway - I've always preferred the company of an average dog to most humans...) but because I didn't see any real benefit in such a relationship for me: this idea that I need to "preform" and "be competitive" is utter nonsense when you see that there's no reward waiting for you at the end of the contest - you are better off not "competing" at all and instead carving out your own niche elsewhere (where there is little or no need to "compete"). Sorry, but this whole mentality you espouse here is better suited to an Ice Age tribal society (small, ecologically sustainable population that needs to breed constantly to survive - favoring only the most fit due to the hostile environment) than a modern "civilized" society (large, out-of-control population growth with few checks on the population that allows that social model to spread like cancer - where even the most unfit can find reproductive success so long as the bubble of "civilization" is maintained) - you really need to update your paradigm to match the present reality. 3. The "self-correction" you refer to isn't some kind of "legal" reform or the result of any kind concerted effort by any social institution - it's going to be the natural result of a *collapse* of the structures of "civilization" as nature reasserts itself over the feeble and temporary constructs of mere humans. The fact that you don't yet comprehend this is troubling...

[@rickV-zy6eh]

beautifully said

[@blacy001]

I'm a pretty open-minded person and I like learn everything before I make my own conclusions for what's best for me. Right now at this point in my life I'm MGTOW. funny thing is, I'm MGTOW because I disagree with most of the points you're trying to make. I don't need a women In my life for me to be me or a man at all. Some of the world's greatest inventions and accomplishments we're done by men who didn't involve themselves with women, Tesla is the go-to example in that point. Then u have the "men are made to take risks so you should take the risk of being with a woman to be a man" I'll take on risks all day long as long as I see some sort of gain is possible as the result of having that risk in my life never one with loss or no gain for the risk, makes no sense to me.

[@unboundmgtow5052]

Hey Rich, just a man going his own way here. I've always enjoyed your content and thought that you're well informed on everything you cover. You're a very intelligent individual that I have high respect for, however I find myself disagreeing with parts of this video. So that being said I'll now go into those areas where we disagree. 1. You seem to think that MGTOW are risk adverse, but that's simply not the case. Personally, I am putting myself on a path where I could easily meet my maker before 35. Then, going onto a career path afterwards, if I don't die in the first, that is heavily regulated for safety, but if there is an issue will likely result in death as well. However, I perceive those careers to be worth it, because it's, not to be corny or whatever, my dream job. Also, I've been looking into stocks and actively managed accounts, with taking the riskiest option that will produce the best reward. So please note, for me(can't speak for all MGTOW) it's about what I'm risking, what I'm risking it for, and is the reward worth the risk. In my eyes, women are not worth the risk. 2. There are MGTOW who are entrepreneurs out there. Of the top of my head, I can list 2. Vention1MGTOW, who I believe owned his own diesel garage or maybe his own car garage, and MGTOW Esquire, who I believe owns his own law firm but I'm not 100% sure. Personally, I would like to one day own my own business, but the industry I'm in is not really possible to do so as one piece of equipment is in the hundreds of millions of dollars, and once you own that kind of business, it's unlikely that the owner can partake in the career I wish to be involved in. I'm sorry for the wording on that, it's complicated and I don't want to reveal even the industry that I'm talking about. Maybe, however, one day I'll own my own car garage but who knows? By that time I would have what we MGTOW call 'fuck you money' which essentially means if we get doxxed, it doesn't matter. 3. Talking about women and the risks of women. You say that you keep women at an arms length and play the game where she can't screw you, but PUAs have been screwed before and they have all the game. For the keeping them where they can't divorce you, well I don't know if Canada has common law marriage and palimony, but the United States does. Common law marriage, if you don't know, essentially is that if you live with your girlfriend for 6 months, then the state considers you married... sometimes even if you've dated, not living together, for more than 2 years, the state considers you married. In the most ridiculous example, I've seen some states that has a law where if you bought a hotel room with a woman, the state can legally consider you as married even if it was for only one night... isn't that ridiculous? Palimony is essentially alimony for women who have been dating a man for a certain amount of time, and the relationship ends. Somehow she still sues and gets palimony... alimony for unmarried women... fucked up am I right. Finally, yet another reason I don't date, false rape allegations. I recently saw a news article where an off duty pilot was sleeping next to a female passenger on a United Airways flight. After landing, she complained that the off duty pilot had grabbed her breast, and made her give him masturbation. The two were complete strangers, there was a police investigation, which concluded that after investigating the scene and talking with the witnesses, she was lying and it never happened. This was in public BTW, at least 20-30 witnesses. Well, even after the police investigations that proved nothing happened, the pilot was fired. Now every time a potential employer googles his name, they will see that he had a rape allegation, doesn't matter if he's proven innocent without a doubt, just the mere allegation is enough to scare off any potential employer. His life's over, because the court system doesn't punish those who falsely accuse men of rape. Now, think about if this can happen to a man whose a complete stranger, how often must this happen to a man these women hate, ex boyfriends, ex husbands, then the system and even red pilled men say shit like, well he just wasn't trying hard enough, or he must've been an abuser, or MGTOW are risk adverse. I don't mean to sound like a douchebag in those last few sentences, but since when has the truth ever been persuaded by feelings? I realize that I might seem angry through text, but I'm not. I'm just stating what I see and what the logic and facts have lead me to believe. Nothing against those who wish to continue dating or even marrying, but I can't in good conscience ever promote those things to another man, even if he's my worst enemy. Well, I think that's all. If you've made it this far, then you win....... NOTHING yay. Seriously though, thanks for reading and feel free to reply with any rebuttals or what have you. Have a good day.

[@rickV-zy6eh]

You are 100% spot on man! Best Comment!

[@pavelh756]

When I see MGTOW videos I always feel like there are multiple levels, probably because there are people that use to push their agenda like they might say "Oh, I hate women, thus I'm MGTOW" even when MGTOW isn't about that. I think there are these levels 1. You get the idea of kind of avoiding relationships, you work on yourself, you go your own way... This might not be necessarily MGTOW because this ignores the "female nature" thing 2. Clean MGTOW just like shown in the video, you work on yourself, you know about female nature, basically red pill. BUT! You don't hate women. Also I don't think that disconnect from sex and/or women altogether is necessary here. (Kind of how I see myself) 3. Just like the above but hating women is a thing and some people are pushing it into extremes IMO, like nonstop bashing women on internet forums, acting tough how better you are etc. I mean, if you are a MGTOW you have better things to do than that :-D Anyway, that's just my perspective of how MGTOW looks on the internet in my opinion.

[@DesmondRayBeltrop]

Most of the online MGTOW I've interacted with, I would say basically fit your: "I hate women" description. I've gotten to the point where they come across as more of a deliberate version of the Incel crap, vcels...

[@pavelh756]

I agree with you, MGTOW channels should guide people how to deal with the reality and set a good example... If they are preaching learning and working on yourself they shouldn't bash others and insult them

[@AnthonySforza]

I'd probably fit in your scale somewhere like... 1.8 or 1.9. Something like that. That said, the problem arises when we look at something completely subjective as though it's utterly objective... like "Saying things that are hateful toward women and therefore hate women." Speaking truth to a man who gets it isn't being hateful, however, speaking truth to a woman gets a reaction akin to showing them wolfsbane and therefore seen as being hateful toward them. I've seen many a thing said that is completely innocuous, only to be referred to as such. Just disagreeing with them, gets that label. Even myself, when saying things like there's no "Pink Tax" or a "Wage Gap" I've been castigated as a woman hater. Even just breaking down that a child is more likely to be abused by their mother at the top, then mom and her boyfriend/stepfather, then both parents and only dad at the bottom... because the facts make single moms look bad, I apparently hate women. Which is the pitfall of this whole thing, that if women can't benefit from one's existence, then they are seen as either useless when they try or hateful when they don't. So the truth of the matter is that EVERY MGTOW, whether they're going through red pill rage or they're completely through it and working toward self-actualization, even (As I prefer to refer to as) reasonable ones like myself or anyone else in this thread... will be seen as a woman hater. Whether they have a mountain of evidence on their/our side and the accusers have none, simply being MGTOW, even if red pill rage wasn't a thing, by the very virtue of existence, will be seen as men who hate women. As they had the gall to turn their backs on them. Then, there aren't enough "Redpilled" people t argue the logic, so the label of being women haters sticks.

[@bvnbansg3580]

this guy is a real MAN he never filps out, always speaks the truth. he never tries to insult just explain things.

[@averybaumann]

real men take risks and if you don't play russian roulette you are not areal man-that is the truth in his opinion.

[@soitgoes290]

The Bible is right about everything

[@ralphphillips2232]

Except for facts and science.

[@jessesdomain444]

@@ralphphillips2232 How are you so sure that science and facts aren't the deception? Science seems to be back led by an elite that doesnt have your best interest at heart. And before you go off about religion they too are also controlled. All done to keep men and women lost. Have a good day

[@chubbydexter8707]

Richard. I watch a copious amount of your videos and agree with almost all of what you say. As you insinuated in this video there are many “flavours” of MGTOW. I am 71 years old and have seen a lot. I’ve travelled around the globe at least one and a half times. I’ve visited and lived in many countries/cultures. I was an “entrepreneur” (whatever that means). I created a successful software-development business back in the 80s and 90s. My deceased wife destroyed it, and I moved on. I am an artist (painting (I decided to concentrate on portraits), drawing, music (I play 3 instruments and had a relatively successful band in the 60s,70s and 80s), reading, cuisine (I attended/qualified the International Management Institute (Hotelfachschule) in Switzerland), I am a technician (draughtsman, systems analyst, programmer and coder, dental-technician and a few other things). I am a polyglot (I speak 5 languages and am profuse in speech, reading and writing in 3 of them). I write all this to create some context. I get where you’re coming from, and you stated your position quite clearly. As you said, everyone has his own interpretation of Red Pill/MGTOW. You seem to enjoy your life and the skirmishes/occupation with females. I, on the other hand, enjoy the former, but have no inclination toward the latter. My time is limited, not only now, it always has been, and there are, in my opinion, things that are much more important to me. My priorities are so that devoting any of it to females would be ludicrous. Please don’t misunderstand. I really enjoy sex, even to this day. I don’t hate females, they are just relatively unimportant in my life. There were a few periods of red-pill-rage a while back, but they receded. I’ve been where you are, and believe me, with advancing age, the things that are not at the forefront of your life, will dwindle, and the things that are important will amplify, until you only live for the important things. One of the things that will definitely recede, is the time you appropriate to females, with their incessant chatter. You use various synonyms to describe yourself. I have many points that I would like to put to you, but I am too lazy, and too pre-occupied with myself, to do so. As far as I can determine you are a MGTOW. You seem to be reluctant to categorise yourself. Undoubtedly, you will probably not find any specific MGTOW with which you identify. People, at some level, are all different. Two questions for you, to clarify my point: Are you “Going Your Own Way”? Are you a man? Voila!

[@gvis3880]

How did your wife destroy your software company ?

[@concretehippogaming]

Here in New Zealand if you live with a woman for two years she is entitled to half your belongings so pretty much marriage.

[@joekahno]

Yes, the game is rigged, but if you don't play, you *can't* win. OK, I'll buy that. But as I was pointing out to a friend of mine this morning in a different context, the frequency of wins matters much less than the cost of a loss. Making one deal out of five is GREAT if a single win can cover the out of pocket on a hundred deals that didn't go through. Blowing one deal out of a thousand is terrible if the result is catching a bullet. In our current US legal climate dealing with the wrong woman can wreck your life as thoroughly as getting shot.

[@TomTobin67]

Here's the thing: I have what I thought was a rare bird woman but she turns out to be just like the others. When the Weinstien controversy broke, she accused me of "raping" her on our first date. It was HER idea to have sex and then she accuses me of that. I am in the process of breaking away from her. I can't trust her anymore.

[@andyburk4825]

She's just inciting you to breakup so she can blame you - she's already bangin' someone else.

[@TomTobin67]

You don't know what you're talking about. She is unable of having sex anymore because she's in her 60s and is going through menopause.

[@Skweepa]

How many years go was her first date? Does she have any cognitive impairment due to aging? It can come on slow...

[@TomTobin67]

2010

[@zzyzxRDFwy15]

@@TomTobin67 Are you really that dense? Going through menopause doesn't stop a women from providing sex to a man. If you mean that her pussy is broken, then if her mouth still works then she can provide sex a male she finds worthy though the use of that orifice. I have had a 63 yo married post menopausal girlfriend the service me like she was a street whore. She told me she didn't have a sexual relationship with her husband anymore but she service me like there was no tomorrow.

[@visorseen8954]

Dude. You're admitting that you should risk your livelihood on women. Give all of your power to them. The laws make it impossible to have any right to protect yourself from a woman that doesn't like you. I've experienced it. When a woman has you in her crosshairs, you're done. Simple. You'll have to start all over again and work everything and all the things you built all over again. I'm not willing to go through something like that again. Are you willing to lose everything because you think a man's value comes from how he interacts with women? That's all MGTOW is offering. The best solution out of something that can ruin your life (marriage and cohabitation)

[@jeremiah3543]

I’m a widower. My wife died of cancer.Was happily married to a woman who let me live a “red pilled” kind of life. It was mutual respect and fun. Truth is I stepped into it. I married her not being red pill aware. It just worked out great. Can u Make a video for dating advice for widowers

[@jameslivermore4481]

* "let me"

[@jeremiah3543]

James Livermore don’t read into it. The written (typed) word isn’t my strong suit. I had an amazing marriage to a great woman for 16 years. She got cancer and I watched her die. I lived the way I wanted to. That’s all I meant. Seriously, don’t spend your life reading into things.

[@Skweepa]

I am so sorry for your loss. I highly recommend you ban yourself from listen to red pill or MGTOW because it will ruin your expectations and you will start to become paranoid and believe that no women like your wife exist. When you believe something, it's all you see...and you will get stuck hating and fearing women and attracting bad women because you've made "bad" the norm in your mind...even though you had 16 years with no fear, and nothing but respect (the REAL normal). Mark Rosenfeld on youtube is REALLY good with women, and he offers individual coaching (probably for men and women). Stay positive, be smart! Good luck.

[@ingemar_von_zweigbergk]

Simple n fast version: if you care about their feelings, they look down on you. If you care about your own success, they look up to you. If you do what they want in bed, they like you. But if you don´t care about them in bed and do what you want then they feel desired and they will love you for it.

[@andreirusu6998]

Shaming a man for going mgtow, without being in a marriage beforehand it's quite a shitty thing to do, because you don't know the circumstances he was groun into, or the circumstances of life.

[@huMANs_channel]

I've always enjoyed your videos, Richard, and even though I don't wear the MGTOW 't-shirt' myself (as i see the individual path as the correct one), it is the arena I feel MOST simpatico in when discussing (& publishing) videos/concepts because of it's deeper thinking (compared to other communities where all roads lead to the validation of women)... Don't get me wrong, I appreciate the lessons in PUA (female nature), MRA (politics), and a host of other communities, but considered philosophical thinking isn't as varied and insightful as the MGTOW community for me (again, from the more intellectual content producers)... Unfortunately, the squeakiest wheels (ie. the angry/hurt MGTOW guys) hog the buffet, which is why I refrain from wearing it's t-shirt myself. Keep up the valuable work, Richard.

[@darrenl1577]

i mean it's been 2 years since he posted this i dunno no response from him and you gave him cudos....

[@scott-o3345]

You can't hide if you're in shape or good looking. However, never reveal your assets. You will never know a woman's true intentions, if you do.

[@CanadianMGTOW]

IT IS NOT WORTH THE EFFORT.

[@TheJSmithBA]

A lot of men's belief systems regarding this issue are dependent on SMV. Women (and men) are much more damaged these days by divorce, many sexual partners, single parenthood, etc. So unless the two people are in the top tier of SMV (ie unattached, relatively undamaged, and strong desire to commit), I can see where going MGTOW makes sense . Of course there is also the natural tendency for both sexes to be delusional about their true SMV, which further complicates the matter.

[@Punkpsychobilly]

Yes, especially when it comes to women. Women these days have unlimited and unwarranted (in most cases) amounts smoke being blown up their asses in the form of social media and online dating. The fat acceptance movement doesn’t help either. Women are highly delusional for the most part, and unless you can find one that hasn’t been tainted by online dating or social media, good luck establishing any sort of upper hand in the relationship. Technology has ruined the dating scene

[@caitm8209]

I recently discovered Rich's channel and my first impression was this info is only for people with high SMV. Although I stick around because I still find great value in it even as a female with low SMV (SMV was never really on my radar when I was young anyway). I really appreciate how diverse the whole redpill community is and lots of value can be taken from many facets of it.

[@gorillacannible3198]

I'll start by saying I hate when people do response videos to previous guest. That being said, I saw the show with TFM. He had original thoughts, conviction, and a rational process. As much as I respect your channel you guys seemed like you struggled to counter him in kind, basically if he were a feature on your track he would have "killed you on your own shit". MGTOW is not for every one but it works for some. Not everyone can/does/wants to fit in to a box of "A real man competes for women"........ I get it

[@Osiris909]

To be called a "Red Pill Aware Man" appears and sounds so silly to me. "Red Pill Aware Man" aware of what? Men Going Their Own Way is much more meaningful and straight forward for men to understand. MGTOW is the true statement of male sovereignty and individualism. "Red Pill Aware Man" does make a lot of sense and not all that easy to explain.

[@JakeJarmel]

Red Pill Aware sounds like someone who knows what a red pill is supposed to do when it's taken, then doesn't take it and pretends like he did. Lying all the way like a used car salesman.

[@jajasmile5321]

Mgtow Hall of Fame , Herry Ford Jonh D Rockefeller, Neapolitan Hill , Andrew Carneige, Albert Einstein , the Wright bothers , the men who build the pyramid of Gaza . You can put away a toy for a short time in your personal to create something for generation . I seem to miss the points . I'm Mgtow I travel between CT - DC I can pull any race of women 18-25 , I'm 50 years old . Yet I put women aside to work when to take all that energy to play women travel the world and have opportunities of opening businesses , dating women from Asia , African , Europe , South America . I never been taking advantage by women or married . And if you depend on soap or something like games to get women , what's going happen when you run .... out .Why don't you have a international HQ , what just for a feel you can anywhere on the planet .

[@P5ykoOHD]

What you saw are men going through the hardships of "Red Pill Rage" ... it just takes longer for some people to get through the 7(?) stages of grief. I do think that women have a point though when they say "everything is men's fault", if you think of it, it kinda is. Because men ALLOWED it to happen.

[@reneyourlife]

i dunno, but as far as i know, i've been mgtowing all my life since the age of 16. it is really interesting, that there is actually a word, or abbr. for that what i have been secretly calling my world view and which ive been holding on to for more than 16 yrs, ... and all those years i never heard anything about mgtow or i even couldnt imagine that there are other male individuals, because most men i meet are after girls asses, some build up all their whole existence just to get a woman and family as if thats the only reason for men to exist. I am thrilled.

[@Ozgipsy]

As I’m watching this a female politician in the UK has recommended a 6 pm curfew for men. Do not underestimate the feminine capacity for tyranny when they have power.

[@jdsartre9520]

This. This is where "go vt" takes us.

[@abhishekkumar3679]

People shame mgtow's but many of the greatest people in history practiced abstinence, the central premise of mgtow.

[@MrMGR1986]

I don’t necessarily subscribe to MGTOW but I’m scared to ever get married. “You don’t get to keep what I earned just because I married you”

[@AnthonySforza]

While I don't think the problem will "self-correct" I can at least limit to what extent it affects me. Being that our choices, both good and bad, are what lands us in such a place in which to be hammered by the consequences presented before us. Knowing whats at stake and what's being put forward as what I'm supposed to risk that for, no, it's not worth it. That being said, the MRM had been around for what, 100 or so years and things have only been getting worse. However, one can't deny that there's definitely a correlation between guys "Going their own way" and women now losing their minds. Don't get me wrong, it doesn't please me to see this, as though I'm getting some sort of schadenfreude out of it or anything, though it is interesting, to say the least. It's basically like this, we as men have been sold on the dream of ending up with a woman, 2.5 kids and a house full of people who love us. It's fun to think about, and it's a great motivator to get people to send their souls into the cheese grater, but it's just not there. Especially in recent times. Now, personally, I wouldn't want laws or social norms, anything like that to be the only barrier between a woman staying with me or not, as I'd rather she stay because she wants to... however, those things from years past definitely incentivised one to make a better decision with whom she ends up with, in which to want to stay with them. The problem is, the belief that women will love us the same way we love them. They can't. It's just pointless to keep expecting them to. They just can't, its kind of unfair to expect such a thing from them when they're not capable of it. Like speaking to a goldfish in Mandarin and expecting them to respond... in Mandarin. Once someone knows that, understands it and internalizes it, they just move on to something else. Bigger and better things. I mean, how many times can one be expected to keep jabbing metal into an outlet before grasping the painful lesson that the bulb in their mouth isn't going to light up, before moving on to something else?

[@androidas79]

What you get wrong is the notion of opting out. We do not choose to opt out, YOU are choosing to opt IN.

[@firemonkey2395]

I have moved to a rural area, and I don't even meet women that I could talk to. It must have been many months since the last time I spoke to a woman my age, and she was with a boyfriend. I did try dating sites but would not date a single mother. So I pretty much settled for a future where I will never meet anyone.

[@scocassovegetus]

I would say first off, it's not RedPill vs MGTOW, they are one-in-the-same. MGTOW are simply men going their own way -- how you define that is up to you personally -- nobody else can tell you how to go your own way, only you can. It simply means that you are no longer going along with what society thinks you should do. That's it. If that means going fishing every day, so be it. If that means that you stop dating and focus on your own life rather than having everything revolve around women, so be it. Personally, I wasted most of my life thinking that I needed a girlfriend or wife in order to be complete, starting from when I was a kid and first started being interested in girls. Once I gave up the constant hunt for women, because I never got what I need out of it anyway, life has been so much better. Looking around for that NAWALT for more that half my life without any success at all... well, hey, time to move on, right? That's merely logical. Try and try again, but at some point you have to make an assessment and conclude that it's has been a waste of time; 30 years of looking and no success. Makes no logical sense to continue. Look at it this way, if you wanted to be a pro tennis player, worked hard at it for 30 years, with limited success, but mostly failure, at what point do you move on to something else? It's that simple. Being a pro tennis player is not a requirement in life; women are not a requirement in life. OK, great, you gave it your best shot, cool, very few people do that, now it's time to move on. How is this complicated or controversial? It's not. It's simple and logical. Sure, you can keep playing tennis, do it, it's fun, but your chance of winning any major competitions is long over; so is your chance of getting yourself a NAWALT.

[@jamie49868]

Nice assessment. Most of us MG became MG without ever of the term or movement. We did so after a failed marriage or two, failed relationships, getting raped by the courts, and basically after dealing and trying to be with women for many years or decades. Every man I know was in some kind of relationship that ended abruptly, and was left without a clue what went wrong...it was the woman. At some point you just figure out what your priorities are, and start to pursue them instead of women. I don't hate women, but I understand what their nature is. My life is less stressful, more constructive, and filled with friends and activities that I could not have/pursue while in a relationship. Women are still part of my life, just small part that gets equal attention to the rest of my life. I will never allow another woman to dictate my schedule, life, or who I associate with. In short, my life is the most important thing in the world to me.

[@scocassovegetus]

Exactly. I already understood from the experiences of my parents, my friend's parents, my friend's marriages that I should never get married and nor should any man (unless he's marrying her for her money). But, I never fully understood the nature of all women and still wanted a full-time live-in girlfriend until I experienced it for myself, as I always thought beforehand that, 'aw, not all women are like that... not all women are like my mother, my sister, my friend's mothers, my friend's sisters, my female classmates at school, my ex girlfriends,' ... right? I mean, the girls and women in movies are cool, there must be some out there somewhere, right? I met a cool chic on the bus once, so... there must be more, right? Naw. Wrong. They're pretty much all like that, even the ones that seem cool on the surface. The few who aren't, well, they got swooped up and taken long ago when they were young, and now they're 5, 10, 20, 30 years happily married (I'm sure 3.5 of those are merely on the surface too). Those 4 guys you know have them, but the 100 other guys you know are all like you. All the other women are the rejects. I think that in relationships, men tend to put their women high on the list, but their women put their men low on their list -- they can easily walk away from any relationship as they have many other priorities well above their men, thus the shock men have when their women throw them aside like a used tampon. All I want is for younger men to learn the lessons from their elders and not make the same mistakes we made. That is all. But I fear that one cannot truly understand until they experience it for themselves, and by then, it is all too often way too late as they experience divorce-rape -- and even then, I meet some guys that still don't get it and go straight on to another woman like a drug addict.

[@austintomkewitz7206]

We didn't land on the moon the moon is behind the firmament dome

[@Clarkcanepa]

Even if the moon is inside the dome we still didn’t land on it

[@Zenoandturtle]

In order to take risks there has to be a pay-off, a value. There is no more value!

[@gandalfurisotherworldly7909]

Success is the biggest revenge against feminism and the gynocentric society

[@Protect_all_ljf3forms]

The guys with the dolls they going their own way so let them have it.

[@Cleffa168]

When did TFM or another Mgtow say "let the problem self correct itself?"I watched the podcast you mentioned and he didn't say anything about letting "the problem" self correct itself. TFM and most Mgtows don't give a fuck about "solving the problem". I see this video as misrepresentation and putting words into people who clearly didn't say such things. When did TFM and most Mgtows say they complete cut off from dealing with women? Yes no marriage no cohabitation. But there's no saying that Mgtow won't even deal with and work with women. Again another misrepresentation.

[@alicerayne9461]

Love yourself that is the person you will be spending the rest of your life with!

[@Merloc909]

"Men take risks" is simply a wrong statement. We take calculated risks or risks which we know will benefit society as a whole. Its not a burden of performance, its simply what we prefer to do.

[@minuteman1458]

Most men will go mgtow whether or not they identify as mgtow

[@AccidentlyHero]

The Red Man Group is for the mature, mentally and emotionally intelligent men, it's a big part of being red pill aware.

[@AccidentlyHero]

scott sanger Sounds like you've been emasculated a lot throughout your life. If taking advantage of women serves as therapeutic for you and feeds your ego, no one is stopping you or telling you, you're wrong. Just don't try to drag other men from their path just because you can't find a community you can relate to. Hence why you even came to this channel in the first place. Just an assumption.

[@genepadilla7754]

Introverted Sagittarius 👏

[@Macheako]

"Mature" is a vaginal idea. Shit either works or it dont.

[@AccidentlyHero]

These comments just prove my point. Pseudo-minded, hardcore mgtow just show how reactionary they are because the system doesn't work in their favor. People are fine with an outcome, their fine with the rules of the game so long as the rules mean that they won. If they win then the rules are fine, if they lose then the rules need to be changed. You can either play the game to the best of your abilities or complain about how bad your teammates suck and be a benchwarmer. Make a decision.

[@AccidentlyHero]

Matthew Morton Hey man, only you can reserve the right to qualify yourself. If you want to be a perpetually enraged, triggered snowflake, have at it hoss. You found your way, others found theirs.

[@DeyvsonMoutinhoCaliman]

I lost any interest in women, had too much trouble in my last relationship, so I can understand them perfectly.

[@jasonpope5542]

Easily the best video I've seen on the subject.

[@CaptainFalcon07]

I’m a mgtow guy after my divorce, and I just wish red pill men we can all come together and play in the same field, like if you’re mgtow and want to focus on yourself and that’s it, to better yourself strictly for you, cool man. Or if you want to focus on bettering yourself to boost your SMV to get women, that’s cool to, there’s a lot of freedom and avenues to navigate in this community and there shouldn’t be any shaming going on between us cause we all kinda started off with the same story

[@NeverB_Gameover]

I'm honestly just a happier person alone.

[@Diazlsx07]

Never getting married or letting a woman live with me. Just keeping it fun and playful.

[@MrThebirddog]

All I know is I will never give anyone half my shit ever again.

[@robfigulski1139]

I was kinda scared to watch this video, even though I have seen most of them and love your channel. I am VERY similar to you Rich, same age, self employed, bald, divorced, work out regularly, love my F250 diesel, and even in a current exclusive relationship with ZERO desire to ever get married again. Yet, I consider myself a MGTOW. I was nervous about watching this because I find it sad to see the box with labels we put us men into. I think we all need to stay focus on the real issue and that's to continue to educate men on real world issues before they get sideswiped by them. This includes anything from women to self improvement. But we continue to put each other down because of silly differences in how we go about living "red pilled". I think it's just detrimental to the real goal which is to educate men. Either way, I rather see a man with a sex doll in the woods living the life he chooses, than to see another man get divorced raped, and putting a bullet through his head! Wouldn't you? Let's continue to debate differences, no problem, that's healthy. But we HAVE to stop labeling. Anyway, Still love your channel, glad I watched, and keep up the good work.

[@victorashul]

MGTOW = Tom Leykis > he is the DAD

[@SantosOverlord]

Sandman lost clients once they knew his identity

[@SEOWebsiteConsulting]

Good update and example of updating belief systems. Good quote about mastery being a lifelong journey

[@dandales9003]

What does mgtow get wrong??Well that's easy to answer, everything?

[@danielf8354]

Let me summarize. I dont ready disagree but i sort of disagree. I am an business man. Blah blah blah. Straight rant. Usless vid m8 i am out dummer from listening to u.

[@pensatorseven1898]

MGTOW to take a pause and get your shit together, then red pill active. Life is to be lived.

[@brianfnelsonhathaway9899]

Richard, This is the first time I have commented on your videos and frankly, it is long overdue as I can not say enough positive things about you or your OUTSTANDING insights in so many areas! At age 55 after two divorces and the ending of several long term relationships, several of which were live-in, I finally realized that I need to get serious about improving myself and my life circumstances and as you say, "become the best version possible." I would add this applies equally physically, mentally, emotionally, financially and spiritually. As someone who works in the inner city in law enforcement while completing my education in psychology for my next/additional career, I see first hand on a daily basis the results of making bad choices, not improving yourself constantly, and remaining trapped in the past, particularly in terms of unhealthy relationships and unhealthy lifestyles. An uncle of mine gave me some advice when I was growing up that I have come to appreciate after some difficult learning experiences that now resonates with me on MANY levels and that I share for the good of all watching: "Love many, trust few, ALWAYS paddle your own canoe." Thanks so much for your wonderful work and may God Bless and protect you and those you care for today and ALWAYS!

[@rogerm3708]

5:29 You said "Men are only loved if they bring something to the table" I think you meant to say respected, a woman can't love a man

[@vanessaloy1049]

A woman rescued her husband from a shark attack in Florida.

[@LFA]

Excellent video!

[@jrgfox]

LFA Hey bro, I watch a lot of your content too. Along with Rich, huMan, TFM and DDJ’s stuff. huMan and TFM just released a chat on huMan’s channel called “perspectives on self actualization” that is a really good chat between him and TFM on what being MGTOW aligns you to do. While I agree with a lot of stuff rich says on here I think he’s a little off base here on the mgtow movement. Thoughts?

[@lordmadafuckinking]

Never trust woman !!!!! Please listen to me

[@Freedmevr45]

I lived with one woman and I went nuts, I believe in getting laid and having fun, but I don't believe in living together

[@tau566]

*grabs popcorn*

[@t.6003]

😇

[@pexe9873]

Lol

[@jackiesmith4658]

Richard, I respect you and the motivational messages your channel generally conveys. However I think you are off the mark here. MGTOW is not necessarily rejecting women. It's Men Going Their Own Way. You are going your own way. You stated you are not going to re-marry again. You stated you will not date single moms unless they meet strict criteria ( 1 child, similar age and gender, they have a decent career that makes them self-supporting) which eliminates 90% of women your age. That's MGTOW. MGTOW is not joining a club or some concrete action. It's a abstract action of going your own way in regards to women with red-pill awareness. I think too many people think MGTOW is shunning all female interaction and being a recluse so they deny the MGTOW label because of that association. Or that MGTOW is one particular life plan. Someone that shuns all female contact and is a recluse is indeed MGTOW. Someone that dates but never commits is MGTOW. Someone that has relationships but refuses to marry is MGTOW. (yourself...and the reason most women our age want to married and you refuse. You are GOING YOUR OWN WAY. MGTOW is the only action one can take if they red-pill aware. It just has multiple layers of actions that a man does or does not make depending on which Way that Man is Going. Rollo Tomassi is not MGTOW. He is red-pill aware that made and has continued to make blue-pill decisions by being married. The only difference between him and MGTOW men that were previously married is that he is not divorced. Things are great in his marriage, good for him. That can be changed at anytime if Mrs. Tomasi decides to end it. Then he would be Going Her Way. If a man is red-pill aware he is either; MGTOW Red-pill aware making blue pilled decisions. Keep up the great work Richard. Love the channel!

[@aeternusdoleo4531]

"Men have that burden of performance": Women redefined their role through feminism. I as a man redefine mine. I no longer accept the burden of performance, and perform for myself alone. I do not go look for women. I advertise my success and self passively. I do not "need" to show interest. I do not "need" to support a family. I do not "need" to do anything. This kind of thing will initiate changes. Women may be the gatekeepers of sex and reproduction, but men are the gatekeepers of provision (and when things get harsh, protection). It will take at least a generation to correct things. Marriage rates falling, and women not finding a partner once they are undesirable post-wall should be enough. Women are communal by instinct. In general, women do not enjoy social isolation. So large portions of these "high drama, low virtue" women ending up alone may be enough to drive the point home to the rest: "Take this path, have your fun, 50 years of loneliness will be your fate." How that is different from MGTOW? We *choose* to remain alone, because the alternative is less appealing, and unicorn hunting (finding those high virtue, low drama women you reference) has such slim pickings that it's become an exercise in futility.

[@BIZ-WIZ]

Black men are born into a hyper sexualized community in the ghetto. Although we have no control over our community ,some of us understand women and learn to manipulate/ control our emotions and women to our advantage. It’s a balancing act involving both “Heads”.

[@danielchoy7030]

real mgtow: In shape Has a job Doesn't hate women relatively recent divorced lulz

[@apocalypseapostle8319]

It is interesting how you chose to cherry pick alot of what he said on the episode, and willfully left out information that was important for the context of his arguments, just to spin the narrative of how Mgtow are wrong. I would encourage people to see the relevant episode before blindly believing this judgement of Mgtow. Your guest did point out clearly that women are not the problem, the system they created through feminism is. And he also gave a summarized how that system came to be. Because of the time limitations, there where a number of moments where he would have responded, but got overrun. If this is an indication of what you got out of the talk, then you have a lot to learn about the Mgtow philosophy. I do hope this video was only ment to provoke conversation about the topic.

[@Each1teach2]

Excellence and mastery is a lifetime journey! Well said my friend! Do the work guys...the possibilities are endless!

[@whippybox9271]

For me, me going my own way is working hard every day to be the best version of myself possible and a "real" man. One day I would like to have kids, boys, and family to raise into the next generation. For now, that will not happen right now. I need to achieve my goals and be better at setting boundaries with women. Don't run away from your problems.

[@Comediansbeingcringe]

Mgtow is the right thing to do in today’s culture but it shouldn’t be permanent.