What Modern Socialists Don’t Want You To Know About Hitler

[@DadSavesAmerica]

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[@junanougues]

Softball interview.

[@Houthiandtheblowfish]

nope hitler was buisness freindly and pro corporation

[@brianmaguire6814]

I'll take "Things I never learned in school but wish I did" for $1,000, Alex. This interview is amazing. Thank you to you both!! 🙏🔥

[@paulvmarks]

F.A. Hayek "The Road to Serfdom", Ludwig Von Mises "Omnipotent Government" (both published in 1944 if my old brain is correct). And on the cultural side - the works of Erik Von Kuehnelt-Leddinhn - which show as well as being economically socialist, the National Socialists (Nazis) were also radical culturally - socially.

[@KevinFitzMauriceEverett]

Dr. Rainer Zitelmann is a brilliant mind that needs more exposure. Thanks for having him on your show and having a long enough conversation for him to get some of his main points accross.

[@junanougues]

@@KevinFitzMauriceEverett ZERO intellectual integrity. A propagandist of the worst garbage sort. D E M O C R A C Y.

[@gThomasHagg]

If you liked this, try TIK History in depth explanations of the origins, ideology and policies of Fascism and Nazism.

[@yanapostolides601]

Try having this conversation with a socialist.

[@soaringbumnm8374]

😂

[@brek5]

I mean, I'll wait to listen to the whole thing, but he has stated his thesis, and this is not some new revelation to anyone who has read about this subject. I could have given the first five minutes of his talk.

[@donjuanmckenzie4897]

Try this conversation with a right winger

[@iluvyunie]

​@@donjuanmckenzie4897what do you even mean

[@yasyas618]

@@iluvyunie the whole thing seems kinda meandering and lacking a genuine humanity; 20:30 I checked out after this comment about Africa, which in my opinion is simply intellectually dishonest ie - saying that they were provided development aide yet failed to “capitalize” is just an absurdly disingenuous over-simplification that completely OMITS the well-documented [open-secret] of 1st worlders systematically undermining and subverting places to exploit resources period. end of story. all the rest of the annoying blahblahblah is just smug nonsense when people arrogantly refuse to have conversations based on the objective geopolitical monopoly game that has been had specifically throughout the last few decades… whatever… who cares

[@pietdepad4103]

He nailed it in the end. Socialist talk with the emotions and conservatives by the head. I came to the same conclusion years ago. So we conservatives / capitalists need to develop the skill of story telling but not based on fantasies and utopias but based on what there is to win.

[@gThomasHagg]

Conservatives are not capitalists, nor are nationalists. Not consistently, which means they are not.

[@lalaholland5929]

Thank you both.

[@brianmaguire6814]

This is awesome!

[@rogermckenzie9095]

I would have to question whether Britain colonised India. Britain certainly controlled India, but did Britain transplant its culture? I think not.

[@SEKreiver]

It "imperialized" India. Muslims always argue with me regarding the Spanish and Ottoman caliphates. Somehow, neither were "colonialist".

[@afhaag6]

@@SEKreiverOttoman and earlier Arab caliphates empires eg multiethnic monarchy with most power centralized with the state dominated by one ethnic group, though very often local elites do get co-opted into the project. As for the Interesting question though you’ve posed - probably has been answered more eloquently but colonialism is set apart by less of the above, globalized/industrializing setting, social attitudes towards land vs overseas expansion, and racial component. Are the Romans colonizing the rest of Latium in 5th century bc?

[@scott2452]

It was complex. There were many Princely states that had considerable autonomy… The Indian Civil Service was tiny, never more than 1200 people responsible for 300 million…(nowadays there are probably 1200 civil servants in one suburb of London). The British Indian Army was far more Indian than British.

[@jeffkay1977]

This IS your best video so far, Dad.

[@Democratiser]

This was an excellent discussion. Thank you to you both!

[@christopherfritz3840]

Anyone else growing up in the late 60's, early 70's remember your parents admonishing, "Eat your dinner! Chinese kids are STARVING.." 😒

[@MarianoRodriguezCruz]

At home they were black children...

[@Sapwolf]

My Mom used that on me and my brothers once and we told her that they are communists, of course they are starving. I had a wonderful loving mother.

[@BajatheChickenMan]

This guy further supports the argument for closing government schools. We aren't taught any of this in fact quite the opposite.

[@chari---zard]

This is bs and you're taking sucky sucks from a Nazi apologist

[@iluvyunie]

​@chari---zard when you ideologize and condemn schools of thought you are cutting yourself from a branch of intelligence, one it seems you could sorely use

[@AndyJarman]

When he talks about "traditionalist communism" he means Marxism. Marxism is one form of Socialism.

[@sdrc92126]

Communism is a Utopia. Socialism is the engineering of the human species to normalize it.

[@wiard]

The word "communism" was used by Richard Wagner as well, who lived under the same time as Marx

[@tombrunila2695]

Socialism, communism and Marxism are the same thing, the only difference is in the spelling.

[@ChopinIsMyBestFriend]

Oh man I’m super excited. I’m gonna start this tomorrow at work. I have Hitler’s National Socialism.

[@jacobscholtissek2410]

im from germany the sad part is on one hand we learned all of this in school but due to propaganda mostly from documentarys we " forget" this.

[@gThomasHagg]

Very interesting point

[@TheFlubber06]

I'd add that free markets are not what define capitalism. Capitalism is the only system in which people can buy, own and sell capital without having to come into direct possession or management of that capital. It remains the case in China today, that one cannot buy, own or sell capital without coming directly into its management, so China is not capitalist in any way, shape or form.

[@sdrc92126]

People haven't read _The Communist Manifesto._ Just look up the 10 planks of.

[@JeffPalasek-cw2hv]

I bought a copy of Samuelson's book from the early 1960's. It might have even been late 1950's. The footnotes are SO intelligent compared to the garbage in standard college level econ books these days. Don't get me wrong - Samuelson interpreted Böhm-Bawerk 180° backwards, but atleast his name was in Samuelson's book. I feel like Alfred Marshall was the original Paul Samuelson. I'm sure he meant well, but he forced economic reasoning into mathematical exercises. And in my humble opinion, that was more important to him than truth and realism. 80 years later, the dichotomy was between the followers of Keynes vs Friedman. And they ALL repeated the methodological sloppiness of Marshall. I love the Supply & Demand curves, though. I don't want to come off as his biggest critic. That *was* Marshall, wasn't it? Oh well. I guess the demand for mathematical economics will always be around. Rightly or wrongly.

[@DadSavesAmerica]

You’re my kinda guy.

[@JeffPalasek-cw2hv]

@DadSavesAmerica Ha ha ha! Thanks. This channel always gives me a good excuse to vent about stuff I never had a chance to say 15 years ago. 😄

[@TheFlubber06]

I first heard of Zitelmann from Tom Woods.

[@clarkhunt4014]

Sounds like the how the EU is now

[@TimC-Cambridge]

From the Warring States and the Hundred Schools of Thought ancient China settled on two main ideas, Confucianism ( orderly compliance ) and Taoism ( natural value ). With the base idea of Yin Yang, both Confucian compliance and Taoist naturality are sides to each other... too much of one leads to imbalance with the other. So when one side says " Conform! " a reply can be " But it is not in my nature! ".

[@danjaasma2305]

You might also be interested to look into the occultism origins of the N party and their H leader.

[@sdrc92126]

That is a big rabbit hole: 🤐

[@danielpye7738]

That would describe a lot of socialist “thinking” today. A cult level of pseudo virtue signalling to various agendas.

[@sdrc92126]

@@danielpye7738 Socialism is the opiate for the masses that Marx talked about. He was a theologian/philosopher (not an economist) who wrote the CM on commission for a millenarian religious group (really). The masses can't learn its true purpose.

[@jan-martinulvag1962]

A dictator can enslave the people but he can also give everyone freedom.

[@iluvyunie]

This was super interesting

[@jasoncreamer5747]

Listened to every minute of it.

[@jericco]

The liberals are not gunna like this one lol

[@anthonyhuber-permanentlyre7808]

*The Left stopped being Liberal decades ago.*

[@danielpye7738]

I recently had a conversation with a person who is quite the proud Kiwi. But he was upset a Jacinda Ardern had gone and she was one of the main reasons he was proud. So I asked him with his national pride and heavy leaning towards socialism then what party should he vote for. He said Labour…

[@scott2452]

If in doubt… have a read of some of George Bernard Shaw’s quotes from the early 30s…

[@mariusztomaszewski1662]

Dr. Zitelmann is right about lack of marketing (or education) on behalf of conservatism. Than the new generation learns the hard way about pitfalls of left ideologies.

[@sherbear8286]

Good discussion.

[@EMO_alpha]

Thank you. Somebody is reminding the right Hitler was a socialist!

[@Thorsted67]

Both fascisme and nazism were interwar ideologies trying to contain communism with social policies. Roosevelts "New deal" had many elements taken from the social polices of fascisme. Both in Denmark and Sweden you saw social democrats adopt polices with a corporative state from fascisme. It's the interwar and there was a fear of communisme.

[@maclainherbers6373]

PLEASE check out James Lindsey’s work. He has mapped it all out. Please introduce Zeitelmann to him as well if you can

[@southernfriedmedia3968]

I mean....the word Nazi means National Socialist....hows nobody remembered this?

[@Deepfake820]

Because they've been taught by lefties

[@jeffkay1977]

It's just new to you. I learned it like...... a year ago.

[@sanniepstein4835]

​@@jeffkay1977 Somehow the left hasn't heard yet.

[@sdrc92126]

@@jeffkay1977 lol. It was one of most memorable lines from _The Big Lebowski_

[@mario34652]

It's not a coincidence. This is a strategic manipulation tactic to try and forget it. I think people underestimate the evil intentions and tactics of the left

[@Harry_Tick]

The 3rd way doesn't have any ideology as much as a dynamic pragmatism. It uses Nationalist, socialist, fascist, democratic, etc. where ever each would be of most use to the state. The dictator just does what is needed for the betterment of the state.

[@Hypnotically_Caucasian]

I always refer to Germany during WWII as it’s official name on its constitution and coinage- “Deutschland Reich”, as that is the ONLY correct answer. Whenever someone begins screaming about the NEON YAHTZEES (who are surprisingly Hispanic), and YAHTZEE GERMANY I cringe inside.

[@sdrc92126]

Best episode yet

[@BROOKLYNBOUNDTRA1916]

[Zitelmann] Every, Single, Time...

[@mightymuzrub]

Listen to Mussolini and Hitler's AI translated speeches, and you will be surprised

[@junanougues]

One data point debunks this silly theory. Working people were WORSE OFF as a percentage of income earned in the whole German economy, after Hitler rose to power. And the industrialists loved him, too. Not just for their greater share of the cake at the expense of wage earners, but for what he did to their labor unions, too. Also, socialists are friendly to the free market. Countries like Venezuela and Argentina are in another category, closer to authoritarian kleptocracies. There is a socialist party in every country of Europe. But they talk about income inequality, democracy, fairplay for people that swipe tables and punch clocks, or about the fate of our children's planet. Not popular subjects of conversation for plutocrats. Because the far right is an inherently and self-evident destructive version of the free market. That, understandably, they don't want to own. Javier Milei is a malignant force in Argentina. To begin with, a climate denier. Never mind the biodiversity crisis which is also a big joke for him. What Javier Milei is doing to Argentina, taking advantage of a never-ending kleptocratic state crisis, is what the Vandals did to Rome. Argentina just switched one type of pirate ship system of government for another. But the far right are really good at disinformation, with a lot of red herring arguments, like this ridiculous one about Hitler being a socialist, Lol.

[@stevegraham2535]

National Socialist German Workers Party.

[@richardavery4692]

Name a socialist country that has had a different outcome other than an elimination of the middle class & the creation of an authoritarian State.

[@logical-machine]

So why did Venezuela and Argentina and many other African countries become kleptocracies despite pushing for socialism? Why are socialist successes the exception and socialist failures the rule? The answer is that the few socialist successes in Europe are still capitalist, wealthy, and they have strong social cohesion. This allows for a welfare state to exist along side capitalism. You must have economic freedom to be wealthy. It turns out that socialism is extremely difficult to do because the incentives are all wrong. Humans are inherently selfish, we have to be in order to survive. We cannot count on people to disregard their own success when they are poor. When there is poverty or low social cohesion, any semblance of altruism breaks down and socialist states turn into kleptocracies, which is a positive feedback loop making things even worse. You speak of climate change as an emergency that justifies forcing everyone to collectively give up our quality of life for the sake of the future. Did it occur to you that maybe you're wrong? What if we can easily adapt to it in the future? What if the climate projection is not correct? What if we do give up our quality of life and stifle our progress, yet we still have to deal with the changing climate but we don't progress enough to deal with it? Don't be so certain. Err on the side of freedom.

[@danielpye7738]

Surely you are not claiming to be surprised that people are worse off under a socialist government? And don’t use the Scandinavian countries as an example of socialism. They are capitalist to the bone, some of the best known global companies are from there. Norway makes over 1/3 of its GDP from fossil fuels. And because of that they are rich, not socialist and have plenty of money to afford what you would call “socialist” spending. But they are very much market driven have a look at their housing issues of late. Economic freedom is the single most important value we have that keeps us motivated in dealing with each other. If a level of unjustified government meddling becomes involved things can turn bad very quickly.

[@AndyJarman]

Capitalism will exist where the authority in a community recognises and defends the people's ability to own private property. Owning private property, and having a state governed by laws that protect your ability to do what you will with private property means people will be able to profit from trading in that private property. Even the ideas in your head are your private property. This is why Orwell uses the cypher 2+ 2 = 5 to illustrate the depths of control and the jealousy totalitarianism feels towards the private sector. It's not "left right" it's "public private". Corporations are publically listed companies that are owned by share holders. Corporations have a fiduciary duty to the share holders to seek profit for those share holders. So publically listed companies are public bodies owned by a government within the state government.

[@danielpye7738]

Spot on

[@marioarguello6989]

And water is wet. Any other shocking revelations?

[@sherbear8286]

Truth.

[@tombrunila2695]

It is more important what modern socialists don't want you to know about socialism! Read "The Socialist Phenomenon" by Igor Shafarevich. You can find in online as a PDF. And by the way, the Nordic countries are not and have never been socialist!

[@tomwinterfishing9065]

Trumps’s success is because he has been able to tap into the emotions. Capitalists need to do this. Tell the people what socialism steals from them! The best thing of all is that it’s TRUE!! I’m a self educated Austrian Economist, and know the truth. We have to think of how to simplify our message for the masses, so they can understand without reading dozens of books and listening to 100s of lectures. I believe the message should start in schools, and be constantly reinforced, because socialism is so alluring to non- thinking people due to its simple, emotional lies.

[@thinkbig5438]

I think he is oversimplifying the effects of inequality and defending the rich. We‘ll see if current events in the US and the outcomes will change his perspective.

[@geesixnine]

Most peoples arguments opposed to calling Nazis "Socialist" point to North Korea or the "Democratic People's Republic of Korea." It's an idiotic assertion and argument.

[@Houthiandtheblowfish]

hitler was buisness freindly and pro corporation

[@danielpye7738]

Not so fast. The Nazi’s implemented every single thing that would be on anyones who called themselves a socialist wish list. You have to remember that at the time of the rise of the Nazi’s that Germany was THE most educated country in the world. And yet many of them let it fall into the mess it did by actually supporting Nazi policies because it benefited them. Which is why conservatives (used to be a liberal value) value individual freedom so much. Far less chance of falling into an induced mass psychosis that Germany did.

[@S888A-KenObi]

Socialism doesn't need defending but it's an economic model. Hitler was an authoritarian and an ethno-nationilist. I'm tired of people conflating the two.

[@SEKreiver]

Socialism ENABLES authoritarianism.

[@sdrc92126]

It's not an economic model, it's a system to destroy economies and to re-engineer humans to accept a monarchy. Ordo Ab Chao

[@richardavery4692]

How do you implement an economic model without an authoritarian State enforcing it?

[@sdrc92126]

@@richardavery4692 Why do you need to follow an economic model? Capitalism isn't an economic model, it's how humans naturally trade with each other free of constraints. Adam Smith wrote a description, not prescription. The only real rule is private property, concept that most animals seem to grasp in nature. It's probably an evolutionary advantageous idea

[@JohnDoe-i1h]

​@@sdrc92126 humans are heavily biased and tribal.

[@vandalcreed]

Id argue that BMW isnt private. It is a social organisation that controls the means of production (BMWs) It could be argued it is state unto itselfisit has territoty under the control of one goverment, ie a headquarters and board of directors. So socialist.

[@vandalcreed]

Just to add,watch Tik and his videos on Fascism.

[@throckmortensnivel2850]

If you're not going to use the term Nazi, and you wish to call the party what it was, the correct name is the National Socialist German Workers' Party. The only part of the name that is accurate is "National". It did indulge in some socialist rhetoric in the beginning, partly to be able to compete with the German Communist Party, and partly because the leadership did have some socialist beliefs. Those beliefs were abandoned long before the party came to power. As far as Hitler's love of Stalin, that is pure romance. Hitler was very clear throughout his career that his greatest political enemy was the bolsheviks. From the 1920s through the 1940s he never gave up an opportunity to rage away at the bolsheviks. It is in Mein Kampf, published in 1925, and in recorded conversations from the early war years. Here's what he said in Mein Kampf: "Never forget that the rulers of present-day Russia are common blood-stained criminals; that they are the scum of humanity which, favoured by circumstances, overran a great state in a tragic hour, slaughtered out thousands of her leading intelligentsia in wild bloodlust, and now for almost ten years have been carrying on the most cruel and tyrannical regime of all time. Furthermore, do not forget that these rulers belong to a race which combines, in a rare mixture, bestial cruelty and an inconceivable gift for lying, and which today more than ever is conscious of a mission to impose its bloody oppression on the whole world. Do not forget that the international Jew who completely dominates Russia today regards Germany not as an ally, but as a state destined to the same fate." Note that he associated bolshevism with Jews, which should tell you all you need to know about what he thought of bolshevism.

[@503mcbee]

Yeah, this is one of those situations where one weaves a story that has to ignore reality to make a political point. And yeah, the whole "Jewish socialism" is a tell.

[@AndyJarman]

One advertisement interruption every ten minutes is asking too much of this viewer.

[@alextraveler4637]

You in Germany have an economic model that depends on cheap Russian resources. You could prevent the war by refusing Russian resources after the war in Georgia in 2008. But you didn't.

[@sergiu9984]

You taking to the German oligarchs?

[@Hypnotically_Caucasian]

Aside from Atlanta, the rest of Georgia seems fine to me

[@sergiu9984]

@@Hypnotically_Caucasian troll :)))

[@SEKreiver]

"The whole idea [NATO expansion eastwards] is wrong . . . a bad mistake." -- Mikhail Gorbachev, addressing the US Congress in 1997 "Keep the Russians out, the Americans in, and the Germans down." -- Lord Ismay, first Secretary General of NATO "Never underestimate Joe Biden‘s ability to fuck things up." -- Obama "To be an enemy of the US is dangerous, but to be a friend is fatal." -- Kissinger "Cry Ukraine, cry! You are your own traitor and executioner. You crushed reason and peace with your own hand." -- Oles Alekseevich Buzina. Buzina was a Ukrainian journalist and writer known for his criticism of Ukrainian politics and for his support of closer ties to Belarus and Russia. He was found killed by a gunshot on 16 April 2015, near his residence in Kiev.

[@sdrc92126]

@@SEKreiver How many Germany officers ran NATO? Hi ter's Chief of Staff was Chairman of the NATO Military Committee. I have a list of dozens of these types of positions

[@martino8114]

I don’t agree with a lot of this guys beliefs. Then the things that were just not true and wrong about President Trump

[@guerillagardener2237]

Ignore the fact that Hitler privatised German industry, then if privatisation is socialism, then yeah Hitler was a socialist.

[@SponsoredbyPfizer]

Hitler was also a zionist

[@wiard]

Because he enabled a large jewish population to move to today's Israel through the Haavara agreement?

[@ibc53-y7g]

Completely ridiculous.

[@sdrc92126]

why? Have you read much of the actual ideology that they published themselves?

[@donjuanmckenzie4897]

Beating the drum of 2006 "both sides" conservatism I see.

[@DadSavesAmerica]

I’m curious what that means.

[@iluvyunie]

​@@DadSavesAmericaThey've been going through other commenters complaining about "right wing" this and that. It seems they have some sort of political hangup that they've projected onto this discussion that was mostly objective

[@johnteixeira1791]

I’m tired of people incorrectly stating that economics isn’t zero sum. It absolutely is, this isn’t a video game we don’t have infinite resources, success absolutely is zero sum, the difference is growth exists and we haven’t reached the point of every resource being fully tapped, so there is still growth. But eventually if we do not leave earth we will use 100% of the resources and it will be impossible to deny that economics is a zero sum game. By the way, just because it’s zero sum doesn’t mean we should redistribute anything, everyone has the opportunity to get rich if they are capable enough.

[@AgentM3tallion]

Aye. Money is like gravity. The more you have, the more you get. Wealth redistribution is absolutely required through various means, the most common being taxation. It's one of the main areas I differ from my right wing associates.

[@jeffkay1977]

This is short sided when you see most of worlds population is actually shrinking. You're running up a flat hill my friend

[@JeffPalasek-cw2hv]

Economic exchange logic is not zero-sum. That's the basis of ALL economic activity, and the basis of all human action. I guess I would challenge you to formulate an economic theorem that doesn't boil down to marginal utility or simple exchange logic. If you can think of an exception, then I'll admit that zero-sum logic applies to economic analysis. I think you might have economics confused with accounting.

[@johnteixeira1791]

@@jeffkay1977 Facts aren't short sighted, you don't seem to have understood what was written.

[@johnteixeira1791]

@@JeffPalasek-cw2hv You seem to think I'm criticizing, I'm simply stating what is. If you create a widget, you require resources to create said widget which means those resources are necessarily not going to something else, and requires resources from others in order for them to obtain the widget. It always boils down to zero sum, the reason you don't think that is because you haven't actually thought it through. You cannot create something out of nothing. You can increase efficiency, and reduce resource usage, but there is always an amount of resource usage and therefor, it's zero sum.

[@DennisMartinezCalifornia]

Ok and?

[@Houthiandtheblowfish]

nope hitler was buisness freindly and pro corporation

[@sdrc92126]

He made small business illegal. It was easier to control a dozen mega corps than thousands of smaller ones. You have to follow the money to see why this is

[@richardavery4692]

So is China in the exact same way. As long as the State benefits, you can keep your private property. As soon as the State does not benefit, it is time for nationalization! It's definitely not a socialist idea to nationalize things for the good of the State.

[@sdrc92126]

@@richardavery4692 I've been 🤐

[@50_Pence]

He wasn't keen on DEI

[@wiard]

Yes, corporations who were loyal to Germany in firsthand

[@puppysuprise]

what modern socialists dont want you to know about hitler: only communists could defeat him. ups!

[@DadSavesAmerica]

They beat him almost as badly as they liquidated the Kulaks in Ukraine.

[@stevegraham2535]

The weather helped too'

[@puppysuprise]

@@DadSavesAmerica oy vey

[@wiard]

So you call Americans Communists?

[@scott2452]

If in doubt… have a read of some of George Bernard Shaw’s quotes from the early 30s…